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Im Still Ballin
07-19-2016, 02:17 PM
LeBron 2016 Finals:
- 30 points
- 9 assists
- 48-66 possible points accounted for
- Cleveland 100.4 PPG
- LeBron accounted for 48-66% of his team's score

Shaq 2000 Finals:
- 38 points
- 2 assists
- 42-46 possible points accounted for
- Lakers 104.8 PPG
- Shaq accounted for 40-44% of his team's score

Jordan 1992 Finals:
- 36 points
- 7 assists
- 50-64 possible points accounted for
- Bulls 104.0 PPG
- MJ accounted for 48-62% of his team's score

Jordan 1993 Finals:
- 41 points
- 6 assists
- 53-65 possible points accounted for
- Bulls 106.7 PPG
- MJ accounted for 50-61% of his team's score

Kobe 2009 Finals:
- 32 points
- 7 assists
- 44-60 possible points accounted for
- Lakers 100.6 PPG
- Kobe accounted for 44-60% of his team's score

Bankaii
07-19-2016, 02:56 PM
This doesn't even include the fact that Lebron>MJ>Shaq>=Kobe in terms of competiton.

3ball
07-19-2016, 02:58 PM
LeBron 2016 Finals:

Jordan 1992 Finals:

Jordan 1993 Finals:


You omitted Jordan's 1991 Finals, and you forgot that Jordan faced far greater defensive attention, since he scored 12-20 ppg more than his 2nd option, compared to 1 ppg for Lebron.

Despite facing greater defensive attention, Jordan made all the game-winning plays for Pippen, whereas Kyrie made several for Lebron.

Ben Simmons
07-19-2016, 03:03 PM
You omitted Jordan's 1991 Finals, and you forgot that Jordan faced far greater defensive attention, since he scored 12-20 ppg more than his 2nd option, compared to 1 ppg for Lebron.

Despite facing greater defensive attention, Jordan made all the game-winning plays for Pippen, whereas Kyrie made several for Lebron.
Lebron beat a 73 win team. Whats the highest win total of a team ordan beat?

warriorfan
07-19-2016, 03:06 PM
Lebron beat a 73 win team. Whats the highest win total of a team ordan beat?

LeBron did not beat a 73 win team

Golden State was missing their 4 best players due to injury and suspension (Curry - Knee, Draymond Green - Suspension, Andrew Bogut - Knee, Andre Iguodala - Back)

The Golden State team that LeBron beat in the finals does not accurately represent the Golden State team that won 73 games during the regular season

3ball
07-19-2016, 03:08 PM
This doesn't even include the fact that Lebron>MJ>Shaq>=Kobe in terms of competiton.


It's common knowledge that Lebron played in the weakest conference by far, which is why he's defeated only HALF the 50-win teams as Jordan or Kobe.

Also, if the Bulls played in the 2000's, the Spurs would be like the Jazz - no rings and no respect.

You're forgetting that the Jazz destroyed Popovich/Duncan/Robinson and their 56-win Spurs in 98' ECSF, and then swept Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers in ECF - but no one remembers those great Jazz teams because MJ beat them twice.. MJ would've beaten the Spurs easier than he beat the Jazz.

riseagainst
07-19-2016, 05:34 PM
hmm, where is 91 Jordan?

Bankaii
07-19-2016, 06:08 PM
It's common knowledge that Lebron played in the weakest conference by far, which is why he's defeated only HALF the 50-win teams as Jordan or Kobe.

Also, if the Bulls played in the 2000's, the Spurs would be like the Jazz - no rings and no respect.

You're forgetting that the Jazz destroyed Popovich/Duncan/Robinson and their 56-win Spurs in 98' ECSF, and then swept Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers in ECF - but no one remembers those great Jazz teams because MJ beat them twice.. MJ would've beaten the Spurs easier than he beat the Jazz.
What does Lebron's EC competition have to do with him dominating a WESTERN team in the Finals?

Carbine
07-19-2016, 06:31 PM
Someone scoring 10 points/15 assists on a team that scores 100 points a game is accounting for 40-55 percent of the points.

Someone who scores 40 points 5 assists accounts for 50-55 percent of the points.

Clearly one is better than the other, if scoring percentages are the same.

I've seen dudes be given assists for dumping it in the post and the post player scores on an iso post up. CP3 was known for been given hometown free assists where he made a pass to a dude who dribbled 4 times before he shot it and it was still an assists for CP3.

tpols
07-19-2016, 06:39 PM
Someone scoring 10 points/15 assists on a team that scores 100 points a game is accounting for 40-55 percent of the points.

Someone who scores 40 points 5 assists accounts for 50-55 percent of the points.

Clearly one is better than the other, if scoring percentages are the same.

I've seen dudes be given assists for dumping it in the post and the post player scores on an iso post up. CP3 was known for been given hometown free assists where he made a pass to a dude who dribbled 4 times before he shot it and it was still an assists for CP3.


true .. all assists aren't created equal, but neither are all buckets .. some come easier than others, some are in tighter spots than others, some are heavily assisted / created for by someone else, some are created out of thin air by the individual only.. and that's ignoring all the off ball stuff like screen setting, off ball movement that may make it easier for a teammate to score. truth is, there's no way to ever say 100% how many points somebody accounted for.. stats especially in basketball can be misleading. And the great Bill Russel put it best "99% of the game isn't recorded by box score".

tamaraw08
07-20-2016, 01:33 PM
Lebron beat a 73 win team. Whats the highest win total of a team ordan beat?

This crap needs to stop:facepalm , Lebron beat a 73 win team who cares about regular season wins.
Seattle Mariners won 116 games in 2001 were they the best team all time?:(
Yankees beat them but Yankees got beat by the Diamondbacks
And Lebron beat a team crap? Just Lebron, really, didn't the Cavs need every point from Kyrie's 42 pts in game 5 to extend the series? ARe you telling me if Irving just scored his normal 25 pts, that Cavs still would have won that game?