So wait.. Lebron only averaged 24 ppg on 43% to make 2007 Finals?

[3ball]

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Lebron 2007 ECSF:. 24 ppg on 42%
Lebron 2007 ECF:S. 25 ppg on 45%


These would be the worst stats of Jordan's career and wouldn't get him out of the kiddie round in the 80's East, let alone make the damn Finals - nonetheless, this paltry performance was good enough to make the 07' Finals because the East was all-time weak in mid-2000's.
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[Im Still Ballin]

An assist is worth 2 points AT MINIMUM, and 4 points at MAXIMUM

Therefore, 30 assists are worth more than 30 points,

The assist is valued at DOUBLE the point at MINIMUM

[3ball]

The assist is valued at DOUBLE the point at MINIMUM


Lebron's' 24 ppg on 43% would be the worst stats of Jordan's career and wouldn't get him out of the kiddie round, yet they were good enough to make the 07' Finals because the East was all-time weak in mid-2000's.
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[warriorfan]

The East was already historically weak, that was one of the main reasons of outrage over The Decision. LeBron tampered with an already extremely weak conference, leaving his team to join the other 2 best players in the east, bolstering his team while weakening the others simultaneously. It was a slap in the face to all true competitors.

[bigkingsfan]

Lebron was a better closer.
48 points -- including his team's final 25 and 29 of its final 30
goes up 3-2, while Jordan lost three consecutive years to Detroit.

[3ball]

Lebron was a better closer.
48 points -- including his team's final 25 and 29 of its final 30
goes up 3-2, while Jordan lost three consecutive years to Detroit.



1989 vs. 2007:


Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.


1st Round Jordan: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)

2nd Round Jordan: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG)
2nd Round Lebron: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)

Conf. Finals Jordan: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)



NO COMPARISON

[bigkingsfan]

You see Lebron #'s increasing every round vs tougher opposition, while Ordan did the exact opposite.

[Ben Simmons]

Lebron > ordan

[3ball]

Lebron > ordan



Superathletes are never goat shooters - EXCEPT JORDAN, who is the only superathlete ever with goat shooting from either midrange or 3-point range:



..NBA.COM'S STATS ON
"MIDRANGE" EFFICIENCY
..(all shots inside 3-pt line but outside paint)


.......................Midrange Efficiency .


M Jordan. 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.. 48.9%.. 588/1202
M Jordan. 1998 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.. 43.2%.. 476/1101

Lebron.. 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.... 37.1%... 96/259

D Wade.. 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2548/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):... 36.4%.. 143/393

Derozan. 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201942/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):... 37.5%.. 183/488

Butler. 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202710/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):....... 35.9%.. 113/315



Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan and Butler ALL have poor midrange and 3-point jumpshooting - they can't shoot - yet they're still top scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows good athletes easier access to the rim.

MJ's athleticism would benefit the same way, except he had goat midrange efficiency, even better than Curry's (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26), which gives him a massive advantage over non-shooters Lebron, Westbrick and company.. MJ had Lebron/Westbrook's athleticism, with better midrange shooting than Steph Curry.. That's the goat

[Hey Yo]

1989 vs. 2007:


Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.


1st Round Jordan: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)

2nd Round Jordan: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG)
2nd Round Lebron: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)

Conf. Finals Jordan: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)



NO COMPARISON
I thought you said regular season defense ranking doesn't count when referring to the playoffs?

[CavsLebronMo]

Copy and paste nerd. You know nothing about basketball.

[aj1987]

Where did you get 24 and 25 from? LeBron averaged 26 PPG. 26/9/9/3/1 on 54% TS. He also was absolutely terrible in the first two games and the Cavs lost both. 31/10/9/2/1 on 59% TS outside those first two games.

ECSF, he averaged 25/7/9/1 on 54% TS. 26/8/8/2/1 on 54% TS in the EC.

Quite easily better statlines than some of Ordan's.

Also, BB-Ref is quite easy to use. A retarded chimp could use it. No use trying to post made up BS stats.

[riseagainst]

3ball making stats up to make Lebron look bad. That's when you know Lebron has him shook.

[ralph_i_el]

He created the overwhelming majority of the offense for a slow, defensive squad.

[3ball]

He created the overwhelming majority of the offense for a slow, defensive squad.
These would be the worst stats of Jordan's career and wouldn't get him out of the kiddie round in the 80's East, let alone make the damn Finals - nonetheless, this paltry performance was good enough to make the 07' Finals because the East was all-time weak in mid-2000's.

[aj1987]

These would be the worst stats of Jordan's career and wouldn't get him out of the kiddie round in the 80's East, let alone make the damn Finals - nonetheless, this paltry performance was good enough to make the 07' Finals because the East was all-time weak in mid-2000's.
Stop making shit up, 0ball. You got exposed pretty hard. Ordan had a couple of worse series than those by LeBron.

[3ball]

Stop making shit up, 0ball. You got exposed pretty hard. Ordan had a couple of worse series than those by LeBron.


Jordan never averaged 24 ppg on 43% in any playoff series, let alone MAKE THE FINALS with those stats.

Yet those stats got Lebron to the Finals because he played in an all-time weak conference.

[aj1987]

Jordan never averaged 24 ppg on 43% in any playoff series, let alone MAKE THE FINALS with those stats.

Yet those stats got Lebron to the Finals because he played in an all-time weak conference.
Neither did LeBron

[Gileraracer]

That's why he needed at least two other top 10 players to be successful.

[aj1987]

That's why he needed at least two other top 10 players to be successful.
Was Rodman really a top 10 player? I don't think so. :confusedshrug:

[K.dot ShowTime]

3ball is killin these nigghas

[3ball]

Neither did LeBron


Lebron 2007 ECSF:. 24 ppg on 42%
Lebron 2007 ECF:S. 25 ppg on 45%


These would be the worst stats of Jordan's career and wouldn't get him out of the 1st round in the 80's East, let alone make the damn Finals - nonetheless, this paltry performance was good enough to make the 07' Finals because the East was all-time weak in mid-2000's.

[aj1987]

Lebron 2007 ECSF:. 24 ppg on 42%
Lebron 2007 ECF:S. 25 ppg on 45%


These would be the best stats of Jordan's career and would get him out of the 1st round in the 80's East, make the damn Finals - nonetheless, this amazing performance was good enough to make the 07' Finals because the East was ATG in mid-2000's.

LeBron >>>>>>>>> Ordan.
Agreed.


BTW:

Where did you get 24 and 25 from? LeBron averaged 26 PPG. 26/9/9/3/1 on 54% TS. He also was absolutely terrible in the first two games and the Cavs lost both. 31/10/9/2/1 on 59% TS outside those first two games.

ECSF, he averaged 25/7/9/1 on 54% TS. 26/8/8/2/1 on 54% TS in the EC.

Quite easily better statlines than some of Ordan's.

Also, BB-Ref is quite easy to use. A retarded chimp could use it. No use trying to post made up BS stats.

[3ball]

Where did you get 24 and 25 from?


Lebron 2007 ECSF:. 24 ppg on 42%
Lebron 2007 ECF:S. 26 ppg on 45%


These would be the worst stats of Jordan's career and wouldn't get him out of the 1st round in the 80's East, let alone make the damn Finals - nonetheless, this paltry performance was good enough to make the 07' Finals because the East was all-time weak in mid-2000's.

[3ball]

ECSF: 25/7/9/1 on 54% TS

ECF: 26/8/8/2/1 on 54% TS



Those stats would rank among the 2 worst series of Jordan's career, yet Lebron made the Finals with those stats because his conference was the weakest ever.

Jordan needed much better stats to make the Finals in his era, so it's unfair that Lebron made the Finals with such poor stats.
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[aj1987]

Those stats would rank among the 2 worst series of Jordan's career, yet Lebron made the Finals with those stats because the mid-2000's east is the weakest conference ever.

Jordan needed much better stats to make the Finals in his era, so it's unfair that Lebron made the Finals with such poor stats.

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Where did you get 24 and 25 from? LeBron averaged 26 PPG. 26/9/9/3/1 on 54% TS. He also was absolutely terrible in the first two games and the Cavs lost both. 31/10/9/2/1 on 59% TS outside those first two games.

ECSF, he averaged 25/7/9/1 on 54% TS. 26/8/8/2/1 on 54% TS in the EC.

Quite easily better statlines than some of Ordan's.

Also, BB-Ref is quite easy to use. A retarded chimp could use it. No use trying to post made up BS stats.

[3ball]

Also, BB-Ref is quite easy to use. A retarded chimp could use it. No use trying to post made up BS stats.





These are the horrible stats Lebron achieved to make the 2007 Finals:



ECSF:. 24.7 ppg on 42.3%
ECF:V. 25.7 ppg on 44.9%



Those stats would rank among the 2 worst series of Jordan's career, yet Lebron made the Finals with those stats because his conference was the weakest ever.

Jordan needed much better stats to make the Finals in his era, so it's unfair that Lebron made the Finals with such poor stats.

[CavsLebronMo]

These are the horrible stats Lebron achieved to make the 2007 Finals:


Jordan needed much better stats to make the Finals in his era, so it's unfair that Lebron made the Finals with such poor stats. [/SIZE]

He was like 21. That team wouldn't even have made the playoffs with out him. Get off the mans nuts. You don't even like Jordan, you're just a Bron hater.

[LBJ 23]

Is this 3ball guy even real person or just a robot? Just copy pasting shit continuesly even when he's proven wrong. Or is he just simply mentally ill?

[AirBonner]

Is this 3ball guy even real person or just a robot? Just copy pasting shit continuesly even when he's proven wrong. Or is he just simply mentally ill?
Robot. His arguments are saved on file. Nothing he types is in real time

[dankok8]

I will edit 3ball's post to post correct and complete numbers.


1st Round Jordan: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, 102.9 DRtg #2 ranked defense... 39.8..5.8.. 8.2.. 51.8% FG/59.8 %TS)
1st Round Lebron: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, 110.6 DRtg #28 ranked defense.. 27.8.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG/54.9 %TS)

2nd Round Jordan: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, 107.5 DRtg #10 ranked defense... 35.7.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG/64.6 %TS)
2nd Round Lebron: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, 106.6 DRtg #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG/53.7 %TS)

Conf. Finals Jordan: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, 104.7 DRtg #3 ranked defense... 29.7.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG/56.1 %TS)
Conf. Finals Lebron: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, 104.2 DRtg #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.2.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG/53.7 %TS)


Jordan was definitely the better player through the first two rounds. However in the Conference Finals, Lebron was better.

Maybe some of you don't know but Jordan's Bulls had a 2-1 series lead on the Pistons. In Game 4 and 5, Jordan had consecutive games of 23 and 18 points and couldn't put any kind of stamp on those games. Pistons were suddenly up 3-2 as a result. Jordan had a good effort in Game 6 but Pippen was hurt and Detroit really stepped up and wiped out the Bulls.

Meanwhile Lebron got down 2-0 to his Pistons and then exploded the last four games averaging 31.3 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 8.8 apg on 48.8 %FG/58.7 %TS. His Game 5 performance was absolutely legendary and the Cavs took a game at the Palace with Lebron scoring 29 out of 30 points for his team to close it out.

[Cali Syndicate]

Why do some of y'all call mj by ordan? Is it to imply that he didn't have a jump shot? Because mj had one of the beat mid range games for any elite scorers of all time. And I especially don't understand talking about a lack of j during a back and forth about lebron.

[Dragonyeuw]

Maybe some of you don't know but Jordan's Bulls had a 2-1 series lead on the Pistons. In Game 4 and 5, Jordan had consecutive games of 23 and 18 points and couldn't put any kind of stamp on those games. Pistons were suddenly up 3-2 as a result. Jordan had a good effort in Game 6 but Pippen was hurt and Detroit really stepped up and wiped out the Bulls.

Meanwhile Lebron got down 2-0 to his Pistons and then exploded the last four games averaging 31.3 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 8.8 apg on 48.8 %FG/58.7 %TS. His Game 5 performance was absolutely legendary and the Cavs took a game at the Palace with Lebron scoring 29 out of 30 points for his team to close it out.

True, but you're comparing Jordan facing a prime Pistons vs Lebron facing a past-prime Pistons squad. The 2004 Pistons don't go down like that.

[Dragonyeuw]

Why do some of y'all call mj by ordan? Is it to imply that he didn't have a jump shot? Because mj had one of the beat mid range games for any elite scorers of all time. And I especially don't understand talking about a lack of j during a back and forth about lebron.
I was wondering the same thing, and for the exact reason. Why are Lebron fans, of all people, referring to Jordan as 'Ordan'?!