View Full Version : Tmac in today's game
PP34Deuce
07-21-2016, 09:53 AM
I have been watching highlights of Prime TMAC (Orlando and first 2 years in Houston) and I'm just amazed every time by his ability. He was a SG who sometimes played SF.
I started thinking, Mcgrady would be a terror in todays even more wide open spacing.
Legit 6'8
Elite athlete
streaky but good shooter
just as good a penetrator as a Kobe
Range
Defensively when engaged, could switch 1-3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FOWJqzp_ew
Nastradamus
07-21-2016, 10:26 AM
Jesus dude its not like he played in the 60s.
TMac was special, but injuries screwed him. He was a better player than Kobe
feyki
07-21-2016, 10:28 AM
Goat .
Gileraracer
07-21-2016, 10:29 AM
Rich mans Lebron easily.
5 Rings by now
Dragonyeuw
07-21-2016, 11:33 AM
32/7/6 on 49%, and lose early in the playoffs without the right team around him.
Indian guy
07-21-2016, 05:11 PM
Huh??
T-Mac was 25 years old in 04-05, when the new rules went into effect. We know what he is capable of "today's game".
The overrating of him based on 1 season needs to stop. That was a complete outlier. He never came close to those numbers in any other season of his career.
Meticode
07-21-2016, 05:15 PM
McGrady was averaging over 20 points a game just 8 years ago towards the end of his prime. Today's game isn't much different than 8 years ago. :lol You act like he was playing the prime of his career in the mid-90s from reading the post.
One thing that baffles me is how mediocre of a freethrow shooter he was. I never understand how these great shooting guards only net 75% from the line. His career average is only 0.02% higher than LeBron and LeBron is considered a below average free throw shooter for "today's" game.
greatest-ever
07-21-2016, 05:33 PM
Huh??
T-Mac was 25 years old in 04-05, when the new rules went into effect. We know what he is capable of "today's game".
The overrating of him based on 1 season needs to stop. That was a complete outlier. He never came close to those numbers in any other season of his career.
Yeah, it was a very impressive season, but some people tend to act like his non-03 seasons were somehow on prime Kobe and Wade's level when they weren't.
ScalsFan21
07-21-2016, 05:36 PM
McGrady was averaging over 20 points a game just 8 years ago towards the end of his prime. Today's game isn't much different than 8 years ago. :lol You act like he was playing the prime of his career in the mid-90s from reading the post.
One thing that baffles me is how mediocre of a freethrow shooter he was. I never understand how these great shooting guards only net 75% from the line. His career average is only 0.02% higher than LeBron and LeBron is considered a below average free throw shooter for "today's" game.
Agreed, this is an underrated part of what distinguished Kobe from the rest of the pack in terms of the era of SGs that rose to superstardom last decade.
TrueBlue89
07-21-2016, 05:38 PM
One of the most overrated players in NBA history. He had one standout season & everything went downhill from there.
Meticode
07-21-2016, 05:39 PM
Agreed, this is an underrated part of what distinguished Kobe from the rest of the pack in terms of the era of SGs that rose to superstardom last decade.
Yep, earlier in the year when LeBron was hovering around 65% from the line it was driving me nuts. Every time he'd go up I would expect one missed free throw out of two. J.R. Smith is another one. He's an elite three point shooter, but he seems to only make one out of two. Dion Waiters is another one.
ShawkFactory
07-21-2016, 06:16 PM
He'd score 30+ a game every year. Career high could be closer to 35.
feyki
07-21-2016, 06:21 PM
My point was or i was thinking that , his talent with discipline of todays . Think about his talent with work ethic of guys like , Anthony Davis and Westbrook .
Yes , he would be goat with that .
CTbasketball92
07-21-2016, 06:33 PM
TMac would be either the best or the second best shooting guard in the league today. He was so fleet-footed and creative off the dribble it was insane. Zero stopping him in a playoff situation.
IGOTGAME
07-21-2016, 06:34 PM
Huh??
T-Mac was 25 years old in 04-05, when the new rules went into effect. We know what he is capable of "today's game".
The overrating of him based on 1 season needs to stop. That was a complete outlier. He never came close to those numbers in any other season of his career.
It was an outlier because he was never that healthy again.
Dragonyeuw
07-22-2016, 08:48 AM
Huh??
T-Mac was 25 years old in 04-05, when the new rules went into effect. We know what he is capable of "today's game".
The overrating of him based on 1 season needs to stop. That was a complete outlier. He never came close to those numbers in any other season of his career.
Tmac was already having back issues as far back as the 2003 season. That's why he never experienced that level again. Why would his game suffer when several other notable guards( Kobe, Iverson, Nash, Arenas, Ray Allen) experienced major jumps in production pre-rule change to post-rule change? There's no reason his game wouldn't have benefited if healthy: a more natural shooter than Lebron and Wade, more athletic than Durant, good ball-handler and passer.
Dragonyeuw
07-22-2016, 08:56 AM
Yeah, it was a very impressive season, but some people tend to act like his non-03 seasons were somehow on prime Kobe and Wade's level when they weren't.
The guy averaged( rounded) 27,26 and 32 in 2001,2002, 2003 on nearly 46% shooting. Don't you think it's odd that his percentage suddenly nosedived to 41% around the same time someone like Iverson went from 40% to like 45 and career scoring highs, at 30 years old? Tmac's body couldn't withstand the rigors of NBA ball and he declined, but it's pretty obvious the kind of player he would have been without the injury bug.
PP34Deuce
07-22-2016, 10:25 AM
Guys I know tmac played in the modern Era. But the iteration of this modern Era is different from 2000 to 2008.
League was still based around big men and penetrating wings. There wasn't as much switching as now. The only guy who was implementing this was done Nelson.
Tmac had injuries that robbed him. He was a nightmare offensively to guard. He actually was a better athlete than kobe while being 6 8 and 215. Defensively he could have been elite.
Vince Carter was the freak SG athlete but tmac was more fluid and faster.
BTW can we give credit to Don nelson...his small ball Def influenced teams like golden state.
Dragonyeuw
07-22-2016, 10:56 AM
I think its more than obvious that Tmac's game would flourish in this era if healthy.Talent was never the issue with him, moreso leadership skills, work ethic, intangible qualities that made the difference in how his career wound up compared to someone like Kobe( and of course, health). He'd probably still be in the league now as a decent roleplayer if his body hadn't failed him.
Nastradamus
07-22-2016, 01:23 PM
TMac had a great 6-7 year run and was one of the best, most versatile scorers we've seen.
He's also 15th for career postseason BPM, for all those who think he was some sort of choker. Kobe is 40th.
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