The only superteams this decade are Bron's - KD finally ended this unfair advantage

[3ball]

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So Lebron will never win another ring


:djparty :hammertime:


Congratulations (in advance) to Durant on winning the 2017 championship!!

[AirBonner]

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So Lebron will never win another ring


:djparty :hammertime:


Congratulations (in advance) to Durant on winning the 2017 championship!!
Premature celebrations tend to not end well

[K.dot ShowTime]

:djparty :hammertime:

[Ben Simmons]

So if Lebron wins a ring next year that he was guaranteed to lose he officially surpasses Jordan.

[AirBonner]

So if Lebron wins a ring next year he was guaranteed to lose he officially surpasses Jordan.
He already surpassed him. Expansion watered down era chips barely count.

[3ball]

So if Lebron wins a ring next year that he was guaranteed to lose he officially surpasses Jordan.


Lebron won the 2016 Finals by ONE possession due to Dray suspension and other injuries.

So he has zero chance next year, even if Curry were to get injured for the whole year.

Btw, Lebron is never guaranteed to lose - he team-hopped and gathered all the best talent on his team (in weak conference no less), which means that he's guaranteed to WIN his conference.
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[bond10]

He already surpassed him. Expansion watered down era chips barely count.


yah! Lebron beat the mighty Raptors this year to get to the final. :roll:

[AirBonner]

yah! Lebron beat the mighty Raptors this year to get to the final. :roll:
It did go 6 games... had they actually showed up on the road games it would of been interesting.

[Ben Simmons]

So he has zero chance next year, even if Curry were to get injured for the whole year.


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Zero Chance?

If he wins a ring he has 0 chance at he's the goat. Jordan never won a 0 chance ring.

[JT123]

yah! Lebron beat the mighty Raptors this year to get to the final. :roll:
A Raptors squad that won more games than the Thunder you idiot :facepalm

[JT123]

What the hell is this elementary school level trolling OP? :biggums:

You usually at least post some out of context stats to make your trolling seem like a legit argument. Guess Lebron has got you so shook you can't even PRETEND to be serious anymore :oldlol:

[Dragonyeuw]

He already surpassed him. Expansion watered down era chips barely count.

Yes, a playoffs path of the Drummond Pistons, Millsap Hawks and Derozan Raptors. The Cavs may has well had a bye right to the finals with that level of competition.

[3ball]

What the hell is this elementary school level trolling OP? :biggums:


You're the one using elementary school logic, since you give Lebron props for teaming up with arguably the best SG and PF in the league.

THAT'S the horrible logic, since there's many all-time greats that could go 2/4 with the best SG and PF - let's see how Hakeem does if we give him Karl Malone and Jordan.. Let's see how Isiah does if we give him Drexler and Barkley.. It would be ridiculous to give Hakeem or Isiah props under those conditions, yet that's what you're doing.

The "decision" HAPPENED, whether you want to admit it or not - and he did it twice - he team-hopped to play with the best talent in his conference TWICE.. That's a fact - but now that Durant has evened the playing field, Lebron will never win again.. Deal with it

[hateraid]

Yet OP has no problem with the Bulls superteams of the 90's.......

[JT123]

[I]You're the one using elementary school logic, since you give Lebron props for teaming up with arguably the best PF in the league.

:sleeping You're gonna have to try harder than that, son

[Rocketswin2013]

Even if LeBron never won again I wouldn't care. He's already top 3.


And I really wouldn't put money on Durant when facing LeBron in a playoff series....ever.

[Hey Yo]

Lebron won the 2016 Finals by ONE possession due to Dray suspension and other injuries.

So he has zero chance next year, even if Curry were to get injured for the whole year.

Btw, Lebron is never guaranteed to lose - he team-hopped and gathered all the best talent on his team (in weak conference no less), which means that he's guaranteed to WIN his conference.
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http://www.saleshq.monster.com/nfs/saleshq/attachment_images/0006/4274/Yawning.jpg

[MP.Trey]

Lebron won the 2016 Finals by ONE possession due to Dray suspension and other injuries.

So he has zero chance next year, even if Curry were to get injured for the whole year.

Btw, Lebron is never guaranteed to lose - he team-hopped and gathered all the best talent on his team (in weak conference no less), which means that he's guaranteed to WIN his conference.
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Warriors needed every break possible in 2015 to beat the Cavs. Just imagine if Kyrie (a better Finals performer than anyone on the Warriors roster) was healthy. Cavs would have won in 5. :oldlol:

Btw, if LeBron is never guaranteed to lose, then he doesn't have "zero chance next year". That's a total contradiction like 90% of your garbage ass posts. You need to learn how probability works.

[3ball]

Yet OP has no problem with the Bulls superteams of the 90's.......


It's hard to have a superteam when one of the "big 3" (rodman) isn't even a starter.

Rodman didn't start in the 1998 playoffs, and he only averaged 4/8 for the entire 1997 playoffs.. Rodman was 34-36 years old as a Bull - his all-star days were long gone (1992 was his last all-star game).

Don't bother say "the bulls had Kukoc and Kerr"... Those guys were 10 ppg role players that every team has, except they played horrible defense.. As for Harper - he avereaged 7 ppg player for the entire 1995 season BEFORE Jordan came back.. So he was washed up and an ordinary role player as well

The Bulls won because of goat TEAMWORK, not superteam talent.

[3ball]

:sleeping You're gonna have to try harder than that, son


Chris Bosh was arguably the best PF in 2010 - that's a fact.. And Wade was arguably the best SG.

So it's completely idiotic to give someone props for teaming up with arguably the best SG and PF in the league.

MANY all-time greats could go 2/4 with the best SG and PF... How would Hakeem do if we give him Karl Malone and Jordan??.. Let's see how Isiah does if we give him Drexler and Barkley??.. It would be ridiculous to give Hakeem or Isiah props under those conditions, yet that's what you're doing.

[hateraid]

It's hard to have a superteam when one of the "big 3" (rodman) isn't even a starter.

Rodman didn't start in the 1998 playoffs, and he only averaged 4/8 for the entire 1997 playoffs.. Rodman was 34-36 years old as a Bull - his all-star days were long gone (1992 was his last all-star game).

Don't bother say "the bulls had Kukoc and Kerr"... Those guys were 10 ppg role players that every team has, except they played horrible defense.. As for Harper - he avereaged 7 ppg player for the entire 1995 season BEFORE Jordan came back.. So he was washed up and an ordinary role player as well

The Bulls won because of goat TEAMWORK, not superteam talent.
Yet they they were all better than the current Cavs. What a super team! Not to mention Jackson >>>>Lue. Super team with a GOAT coach. If only Lebron were ever blessed to have such a gifted team. In a weak era to boot. Some people just have their stars aligned

[SouBeachTalents]

Chris Bosh was arguably the best PF in 2010 - that's a fact.. And Wade was arguably the best SG.

So it's completely idiotic to give someone props for teaming up with arguably the best SG and PF in the league.

MANY all-time greats could go 2/4 with the best SG and PF... How would Hakeem do if we give him Karl Malone and Jordan??.. Let's see how Isiah does if we give him Drexler and Barkley??.. It would be ridiculous to give Hakeem or Isiah props under those conditions, yet that's what you're doing.

Nah, Bosh was not better than Dirk or Gasol. Pretty sad the "best PF" didn't even make the All-NBA team or the playoffs in the conference you dubbed "the worst of all time"

[bigkingsfan]

Bulls won 55 games without MJ :yaohappy:

[3ball]

Bulls won 55 games without MJ :yaohappy:


The Bulls fell from 3-peat dynasty WITH Jordan, to an ordinary 2nd Round team without him (1994), and then lottery team (1995).

Interestingly, the Bulls' DRtg in 1994 (6th) wasn't better relative to the league than the first 3-peat (7th, 4th, 7th).. Accordingly, the massive decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of MJ's goat offense (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12082990&postcount=185), which caused their ORtg to crater from #1 all-time (during the 3-peat) to 14th in the league in 1994.

[SouBeachTalents]

The Bulls fell from 3-peat dynasty WITH Jordan, to an ordinary 2nd Round team without him (1994), and then lottery team (1995).

Interestingly, the Bulls' DRtg in 1994 (6th) wasn't better relative to the league than the first 3-peat (7th, 4th, 7th).. Accordingly, the massive decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of MJ's goat offense (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12082990&postcount=185), which caused their ORtg to crater from #1 all-time (during the 3-peat) to 14th in the league in 1994.

The Bulls won 55 games without Jordan

[3ball]

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MJ dominated the 4 best players that Lebron ever faced:



1) SHAQ



Top Lebron moments:



During the only years where Shaq still had some prime left, Lebron finished behind Shaq in MVP voting (2004 and 2005), and lost the conference to him (2005 and 2006).. Lebron never dunked on him.




Top Jordan moments:



Jordan won MVP over prime Shaq in 1996 and 1998 and swept Shaq in 1996 ECF.. He also dunked on him, shown here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/7-10-2015/LfHlds.gif).



2. DUNCAN



Top Lebron moments:



- Lebron missed the infamous game-tying 3-pointer and needed Ray Allen to save him




Top Jordan moments:



- Jordan MADE his game-tying 3-pointer from the exact same spot during his first meeting with Duncan/Popovich in 1998 (the shot is shown here (http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/rP-QUs.gif))... Then he dominated the OT, including 2 dunks over Duncan, shown here (https://media.giphy.com/media/26FPq7nUqs2V8LyNO/giphy.gif)..

Later in that 1998 season, Jordan won the Finals against the team (Jazz) that destroyed Duncan/Robinson/Popovich's Spurs in 2nd Round (Spurs won 56 games in RS).



3. KOBE:



Top Lebron moments:



- Lebron watched Kobe win more championships during the time that both were in their prime, and also watched Kobe save the team in the 2008 Olympics.

- He missed the much-anticipated, Kobe/Lebron matchup in 2009 and 2010 Finals, because his top-seeded team underachieved by losing to lower seeds in earlier rounds.




Top Jordan moments:



- MJ dunked on Kobe in their first ever possession vs. each other, shown here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-13-2015/Q3fm0o.gif)

- MJ showed his protege how it's done by hitting the game-winner in the first game of the 1997 Finals, after Kobe had airballed 4 straight game-winner attempts against the same team earlier in the playoffs.

- MJ passed the torch to his protoge in the 1998 all-star game by scoring on him at will (5 times in head-to-head possessions, shown here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN3sto7KGQs&t=0m16s)).




4. GARNETT:



Top Lebron moments:



- Lebron got his shit pushed in during 2008 and 2010 ECSF




Top Jordan moments:



- Jordan schooled Garnett in the 1998 all-star game (shown here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/10-30-2015/q8-1iR.gif)) and during the regular season (shown here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2015/6agjm-.gif), here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2015/EfFINb.gif) and here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2015/Jp9ACT.gif)).

- The only time where MJ and Garnett were matched up defensively for an entire game was during a 2002 contest - both were matched up at SF, and 38-year old Jordan scored 35 on Garnett in every way imagineable, including various blow-by dunks and layups, shown here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmngcHYnfN0).




5. SHAWN MARION:



Top Lebron moments:



- Lebron got locked down by OLD Shawn Marion during the 2011 Finals, which was one of the greatest chokes ever by a star in the Finals.




Top Jordan moments:



- 38-year old Jordan hit the game-winner in PRIME Shawn Marion's face during a contest in 2002 (shown here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjo06p5zchg&t=0m09s)), and then destroyed him for 41 points in another contest (shown here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd9ayPlqCMg)).




6. 2003-2004 seasons



JORDAN 2003: 19.3 PER.. 20.0 ppg.. 44.5 fg
LEBRON 2004: 18.3 PER.. 20.9 ppg.. 41.7 fg
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[NBAGOAT]

Bosh and Wade were arguably the best at their position - they were top 2 at worst.

So how would Ewing or Isiah do if they teamed up with Jordan and Barkley?.. It would be ridiculous to give them props under these conditions, but that's what you're doing with Lebron.

ewing or isiah would most likely be the 3rd option if they teamed up with jordan and barkley. Lebron is Jordan in your stupid hypothetical since he's been the no1 guy his whole career and you would still be giving Jordan props. Also use a ****ing sf but ik the reason you won't is because Pippen is the best example to use being arguably the best sf in the league and Jordan was already teammates with him which kind of destroys your point.

[bigkingsfan]

The Bulls fell from 3-peat dynasty WITH Jordan, to an ordinary 2nd Round team without him (1994), and then lottery team (1995).

Interestingly, the Bulls' DRtg in 1994 (6th) wasn't better relative to the league than the first 3-peat (7th, 4th, 7th).. Accordingly, the massive decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of MJ's goat offense (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12082990&postcount=185), which caused their ORtg to crater from #1 all-time (during the 3-peat) to 14th in the league in 1994.
How did MJ do without Pippen again? :yaohappy:

[warriorfan]

Nah, Bosh was not better than Dirk or Gasol. Pretty sad the "best PF" didn't even make the All-NBA team or the playoffs in the conference you dubbed "the worst of all time"

Bosh was better than Dirk and Gasol in 2010

All-NBA team is a media driven award

Bosh was still a young player at only 24 playing for a small market team in the Raptors, he was not getting the media recognition that his play deserved which influenced his All-NBA votes

The numbers do not lie

https://s31.postimg.org/d9ndpvc63/lebroncollude.jpg

[RRR3]

Bosh was better than Dirk and Gasol in 2010

All-NBA team is a media driven award

Bosh was still a young player at only 24 playing for a small market team in the Raptors, he was not getting the media recognition that his play deserved which influenced his All-NBA votes

The numbers do not lie

https://s31.postimg.org/d9ndpvc63/lebroncollude.jpg
Hassan Whiteside was a top 7 player last year. Agree?

[CavsLebronMo]

small market team in the Raptors,

You just spew bs to fit your narrative.

[warriorfan]

Hassan Whiteside was a top 7 player last year. Agree?

You are drawing incorrect conconclusions, it seems that you do not know how PER works

PER gets calculated on a per minute basis, I assume that's where the name comes from, you are assessing a players impact "PER" Minute

It examines the rate at which a player preformed and doesn't account for the minutes

EXAMPLE

If a player A plays 20 mins a game and has a PER of 25

And player B plays 35 mins a game and has a PER of 25

What that tells us is that they are both performing at the same rate or theoretically if player A played for 35 minutes a game he would have the statistical output of Player B, and vice versa if player B only played 20 minutes a game he would have the same statistical output as player A

So, PER is the RATE, minutes played is the VOLUME over which that rate was played at

In Summary

You should only use PER for comparisons for players with similar minutes played. PER can overstate players with low minutes per game because it represents the RATE of their production.

So Whiteside's PER should only be compared to other players with similar minutes per game (23 minutes per game Whiteside's 2015 MPG (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whiteha01.html)), Whiteside's PER should not be compared to starting players who play more than 30+ minutes per game

[warriorfan]

You just spew bs to fit your narrative.

I suppose you are going to tell me that Toronto in 2010 was a spectacular place for a young superstar to showcase his talent and gain media exposure...

:rolleyes:

[bigkingsfan]

Kobe 23rd all time, PER. Chris Paul 6th :bowdown:

[warriorfan]

Kobe 23rd all time, PER. Chris Paul 6th :bowdown:

You are using PER incorrectly

PER is only supposed to be used to compare players with similar minutes played, from the same season

PER is not a multi-year cumulative study

[Dragonyeuw]

How did MJ do without Pippen again? :yaohappy:

- Sat out the last 1.8 of a playoff game because the last shot wasn't drawn for him, only Kukoc made the shot making him look more stupid.

- While wearing Air Jordan shoes, begged MJ to come back after the Bulls had been reduced to a .500 level club

- As a veteran 6 time champion, led the 2000 Blazers to one of the most epic chokes in NBA history losing a 15 point lead to the Lakers punctuated by being crossed over by a 21 year old Kobe Bryant, leading to the signature alley-opp finish by Shaq.

Think that covers what Pip did without MJ.

[RRR3]

You are drawing incorrect conconclusions, it seems that you do not know how PER works

PER gets calculated on a per minute basis, I assume that's where the name comes from, you are assessing a players impact "PER" Minute

It examines the rate at which a player preformed and doesn't account for the minutes

EXAMPLE

If a player A plays 20 mins a game and has a PER of 25

And player B plays 35 mins a game and has a PER of 25

What that tells us is that they are both performing at the same rate or theoretically if player A played for 35 minutes a game he would have the statistical output of Player B, and vice versa if player B only played 20 minutes a game he would have the same statistical output as player A

So, PER is the RATE, minutes played is the VOLUME over which that rate was played at

In Summary

You should only use PER for comparisons for players with similar minutes played. PER can overstate players with low minutes per game because it represents the RATE of their production.

So Whiteside's PER should only be compared to other players with similar minutes per game (23 minutes per game Whiteside's 2015 MPG (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whiteha01.html)), Whiteside's PER should not be compared to starting players who play more than 30+ minutes per game
Hassan Whiteside played 29.1 MPG last year, stop acting like he was a bench warmer :oldlol: You're throwing a tantrum about me comparing the PER Whiteside achieved in 29.1 MPG in 2016 to the PER Bosh put up in 36.1 MPG in 2010, yet you always make a huge deal of the PER Curry puts up in 32-33 MPG, even though that's about 6-10 minutes per game lower than most of the other guys who put up insane PER seasons played. You can't have it both ways.

[bigkingsfan]

You are using PER incorrectly

PER is only supposed to be used to compare players with similar minutes played, from the same season

PER is not a multi-year cumulative study
So Bosh > Kobe 2010 :pimp:

[RRR3]

Kobe 23rd all time, PER. Chris Paul 6th :bowdown:
Terrell Brandon was the 6th best player in the league in 1996 (25.2 PER!). Better than Barkley, Ewing, Pippen, Mourning, Gary Payton and John Stockton! :bowdown:

[RRR3]

Carlos Boozer=top 10 player in the NBA in 2007! :bowdown: Better than T-Mac and Steve Nash!

[warriorfan]

Hassan Whiteside played 29.1 MPG last year, stop acting like he was a bench warmer :oldlol: You're throwing a tantrum about me comparing the PER Whiteside achieved in 29.1 MPG in 2016 to the PER Bosh put up in 36.1 MPG in 2010, yet you always make a huge deal of the PER Curry puts up in 32-33 MPG, even though that's about 6-10 minutes per game lower than most of the other guys who put up insane PER seasons played. You can't have it both ways.

Warning: If you keep falsifying numbers this discussion will be over


https://s31.postimg.org/japo0i0yz/King_Curry.png

If you notice all of the players are within 10% of each other in MPG, besides Boban (That is why we do not compare Boban in the same light as the rest of the players on the list)

[CavsLebronMo]

I suppose you are going to tell me that Toronto in 2010 was a spectacular place for a young superstar to showcase his talent and gain media exposure...

:rolleyes:

I think calling Toronto a small market is idiotic.

[warriorfan]

I think calling Toronto a small market is idiotic.

Well whatever you want to categorize it as doesn't change the fact of the matter.

Chris Bosh received less exposure for his superstar season in 2010 than he should of, large in part because of playing for a terrible Raptor team which lead to under-representation in the All-NBA team votes which are conducted by the media.

[RRR3]

Warning: If you keep falsifying numbers this discussion will be over


https://s31.postimg.org/japo0i0yz/King_Curry.png

If you notice all of the players are within 10% of each other in MPG, besides Boban (That is why we do not compare Boban in the same light as the rest of the players on the list)
An astounding 34.2 MPG for ZVC! :bowdown: Pretty sure LeBron used to play between 38-42 MPG, as did prime Kobe, Shaq, MJ, young Duncan, KG, Hakeem, Bird, etc. Kareem, Russell and Wilt played well over 40


Regardless, Terrell Brandon>Barkley in 1996, right?

[ShawkFactory]

Well whatever you want to categorize it as doesn't change the fact of the matter.

Chris Bosh received less exposure for his superstar season in 2010 than he should of, large in part because of playing for a terrible Raptor team which lead to under-representation in the All-NBA team votes which are conducted by the media.
Either that or you're just overstating Bosh's 2010 season to downplay Lebron.

[RRR3]

Either that or you're just overstating Bosh's 2010 season to downplay Lebron.
I prefer John Drew's 1976 season tbh. Finished 2nd to prime Kareem in the PER race!

[warriorfan]

An astounding 34.2 MPG for ZVC! :bowdown: Pretty sure LeBron used to play between 38-42 MPG, as did prime Kobe, Shaq, MJ, young Duncan, KG, Hakeem, Bird, etc. Kareem, Russell and Wilt played well over 40


Regardless, Terrell Brandon>Barkley in 1996, right?

How many times do I have to explain to you that PER by design is not meant to compare players across different years and eras?

What you are doing is essentially the same as telling us multiplication is inaccurate because 2x2 = 6

If you don't use the function correctly, you will not get correct results

This is an issue with your understanding and utilization of the statistic, not the statistic itself

[RRR3]

How many times do I have to explain to you that PER by design is not meant to compare players across different years and eras?

What you are doing is essentially the same as telling us multiplication is inaccurate because 2x2 = 6

If you don't use the function correctly, you will not get correct results

This is an issue with your understanding and utilization of the statistic, not the statistic itself
How many times are you going to avoid admitting Boozer was top 10 in 2007 by your logic? And that Brandon was top 6 in 1996?

[warriorfan]

How many times are you going to avoid admitting Boozer was top 10 in 2007 by your logic? And that Brandon was top 6 in 1996?

Did you even watch basketball in 2007? Boozer used to be a f ucking stud in Utah...

What is the reason for the big deal you are making about Terrell Brandon producing at a top 6 level in 1996? That you are not familiar with the name Terrell Brandon? Terrell Brandon was a solid 10 year vet who had a great season in 1996 with 20/6/4/2 on 57% TS. Just because you are not familiar with his name doesn't mean that he was not a great player that year.

You are exposing yourself as someone who follows names instead of games

[RRR3]

Did you even watch basketball in 2007? Boozer used to be a f ucking stud in Utah...

What is the reason for the big deal you are making about Terrell Brandon producing at a top 6 level in 1996? That you are not familiar with the name Terrell Brandon? Terrell Brandon was a solid 10 year vet who had a great season in 1996 with 20/6/4/2 on 57% TS. Just because you are not familiar with his name doesn't mean that he was not a great player that year.

You are exposing yourself as someone who follows names instead of games
I know Brandon and Boozer were damn good players. But even you can't possibly be absurd enough to state that Brandon was top 6 in 96 and that Boozer>peak Nash. You wouldn't find anyone who agreed with you I bet

[warriorfan]

I know Brandon and Boozer were damn good players. But even you can't possibly be absurd enough to state that Brandon was top 6 in 96 and that Boozer>peak Nash. You wouldn't find anyone who agreed with you I bet

Steve Nash is one of the most overrated players in the history of the NBA, easily.

[RRR3]

Steve Nash is one of the most overrated players in the history of the NBA, easily.
Still avoiding answering the questions. If you believed what you typed you'd have no problem answering me

[warriorfan]

Still avoiding answering the questions. If you believed what you typed you'd have no problem answering me

What question? I already previously answered that it is not far fetched to state that Terrell Brandon produced at a top 6 level in 1996. And once again Steve Nash is one of the most overrated players in the history of the NBA. I have no problem what so ever putting 07' Boozer over him.

[RRR3]

What question? I already previously answered that it is not far fetched to state that Terrell Brandon produced at a top 6 level in 1996. And once again Steve Nash is one of the most overrated players in the history of the NBA. I have no problem what so ever putting 07' Boozer over him.
:roll:



Props for being consistent at least.




One last thing, for the record: Terrell Brandon was the best PG in the NBA in 1996, yes or no?

[K Xerxes]

How many times do I have to explain to you that PER by design is not meant to compare players across different years and eras?

What you are doing is essentially the same as telling us multiplication is inaccurate because 2x2 = 6

If you don't use the function correctly, you will not get correct results

This is an issue with your understanding and utilization of the statistic, not the statistic itself

2010 PER:

David Lee - 37.3mpg - 22.28 PER
Kobe Bryant - 38.8mpg - 21.95 PER

So we can conclude that David Lee was better than FMVP Kobe in 2010. Same MPG, same year.

[CuterThanRubio]

Steve Nash is one of the most overrated players in the history of the NBA, easily.


:coleman:

Boozer? Terrell Brandon(GARBO)?

Lol, get serious, I'm about to heat up the stove and start cooking if I see more comments like this, are you really that salty about the 2006 MVP?

:hammerhead:

[SouBeachTalents]

So Bosh > Kobe 2010 :pimp:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12505070&postcount=48

[kamil]

A Raptors squad that won more games than the Thunder you idiot :facepalm

In the East...? Yeah, very impressive. :rolleyes: