Shooting in Munich, several dead people

[StephHamann]

http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/refugee-germany-welcome-740x490.jpg

[9erempiree]

They really need to curb the influx of 'refugees' in their country. I will say its in the name of Islam....till reports tell me otherwise.

I will reserve judgement of it not being a Muslim till reports come out and say its not a Muslim.

How do we get Islam to comply with Western culture?

[StephHamann]

http://vid.pr0gramm.com/2016/07/22/cf7019188bcc37f8.mp4 NSFW

[Meticode]

What's the point of posting the Welcome Refugee picture?

[Meticode]

Do we know the person who did the shooting got into the country through being a refugee?

[9erempiree]

Ich bin dein Freund.:cheers:

Pray for Deutschland.

[Velocirap31]

What's the point of posting the Welcome Refugee picture?

Irony probably.

[kurple]

Random fun fact. Germans have killed more Norwegians than Muslim immigrants

[9erempiree]

Do we know the person who did the shooting got into the country through being a refugee?

We don't where they are from. That's the problem.

Until we know where they are from and who they are then we can do something about it. I have an idea where they are coming from but too bad German leaders won't acknowledge it.

[9erempiree]

Random fun fact. Germans have killed more Norwegians than Muslim immigrants

:facepalm

Now is not the time you piece of crap.

[ArbitraryWater]

Irony probably.

Which is dumb... I just recently met a bunch of teens from Afghanistan, bit younger than me, some of the nicest dudes ever... came here without their families, drive to school like an hour, have to take care of most of their shit at 16-17 y/o.

[Patrick Chewing]

http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/refugee-germany-welcome-740x490.jpg


Odds these three girls pictured haven't been raped and/or murdered yet??

[9erempiree]

I'm back on the Pegida bandwagon.

NO REFUGEE....GO PEGIDA!

[Im Still Ballin]

Baku!

[dazzer87]

Multiple shooters in Multiple locations this is going to be bad.

[Long Duck Dong]

If this keeps up Europe will elect Trump if we don't

[kurple]

5 years ago (on this day) this guy killed 85 kids in Norway


i remember Fox new talking to some american terror expert or some shit, who literally said that this was the work of a muslim in disguise


https://img.rt.com/files/2016.03/original/56d84ccec4618846758b45a4.jpg

[ArbitraryWater]

:facepalm

[kurple]

:facepalm

Now is not the time you piece of crap.
how is it any better to post the pic OP posted

or the thread you made..

[9erempiree]

5 years ago (on this day) this guy killed 85 kids in Norway


i remember Fox new talking to some american terror expert or some shit, who literally said that this was the work of a muslim in disguise


https://img.rt.com/files/2016.03/original/56d84ccec4618846758b45a4.jpg

5 years is an eternity in current events bro.

If we go back to the last 5 killings or attacks

[ArbitraryWater]

how is it any better to post the pic OP posted

or the thread you made..

yea well OP is a sack of shit

[kurple]

That Fox terror expert still probably think Anders Breivik is a muslim with an exceptional disguise


9er remind me of him

[9erempiree]

how is it any better to post the pic OP posted

or the thread you made..

What is wrong with my thread?

[dude77]

If this keeps up Europe will elect Trump if we don't

:applause:

[9erempiree]

We don't know where the hell these guys are and where they are coming from.

Germany needs top hold back and adopt new laws preventing innocent Germans from being slaughtered by these animals.


Ich bin dein Freund!

Pray 4 Deutschland!

[Nash]

damn, that guy shooting outside of mcdonalds looks drunk as hell

[Akrazotile]

Which is dumb... I just recently met a bunch of teens from Afghanistan, bit younger than me, some of the nicest dudes ever... came here without their families, drive to school like an hour, have to take care of most of their shit at 16-17 y/o.


I think the problem is theyre being brought in along with many other migrants who do pose threats, and nobody can separate the good from bad when theyre let in.

I appreciate that people want to be welcoming to good people in need, but you should wait until there is a better option to assist people without putting your own lives in danger. Sometimes good people have to fight a revolution in their own country and some of them have to die to make it a better place for the future. If you just let them jump ship and allow the bad elements to remain, youre going to be stuck with massive oppression in those countries for generations to come.


All that said, theres no info on this particular attacker thus far to my knowledge, so Im only speaking in general terms.

[senelcoolidge]

Religion of shooters please?

The left media has been hammering Trump's speech for being too dark or gloomy...well dumbasses, the world is in a gloomy place. Evident with this shooting not even 24 hours after the speech. These shootings whether by islamic terrorist or retard domestic racist terrorist happen on a weekly basis now. Obama doesn't do a thing. They probably didn't notice that Trumps speech was also uplifting towards the end. The place is in gloomier place because of Hillary, Obama, Merkel, and all the other losers responsible.

[KyrieTheFuture]

5 years ago (on this day) this guy killed 85 kids in Norway


i remember Fox new talking to some american terror expert or some shit, who literally said that this was the work of a muslim in disguise


https://img.rt.com/files/2016.03/original/56d84ccec4618846758b45a4.jpg
Care to link?

[kurple]

Why would i have a link when i said i only remember seeing it on Fox news?

[ArbitraryWater]

I think the problem is theyre being brought in along with many other migrants who do pose threats, and nobody can separate the good from bad when theyre let in.

I appreciate that people want to be welcoming to good people in need, but you should wait until there is a better option to assist people without putting your own lives in danger. Sometimes good people have to fight a revolution in their own country and some of them have to die to make it a better place for the future. If you just let them jump ship and allow the bad elements to remain, youre going to be stuck with massive oppression in those countries for generations to come.


All that said, theres no info on this particular attacker thus far to my knowledge, so Im only speaking in general terms.

I agree... they didnt properly seperate the 'bad' ones. No background checks done? Just hard to differentiate?

I dont know.. its tough. I just wish they would have been taken to to other destinations also, like in Saudi Arabia.

As for the ones I met.. theyre pretty upstanding dudes. Also dont get much $ at all, live in meh homes. This one guy 17, now has to go into the 10th grade, he'd normally be in 12th now. His German is already pretty solid.

[sd3035]

Why would i have a link when i said i only remember seeing it on Fox news?

link?

[KyrieTheFuture]

Why would i have a link when i said i only remember seeing it on Fox news?
Because generally you need to backup bold claims. I have a hard time believing not one person recorded his claims or wrote an article on it.

[Hawker]

This shit is happening as often in Europe as it does in the US it seems.

[Nick Young]

What religion were the shooters? Jains? Zoroastrians?

Islam has nothing to do with this. It is a peaceful religion of peace.
:hammerhead:

JK. We all know who the shooters are associated with.

RIP to the victims.

[Nick Young]

5 years ago (on this day) this guy killed 85 kids in Norway


i remember Fox new talking to some american terror expert or some shit, who literally said that this was the work of a muslim in disguise


https://img.rt.com/files/2016.03/original/56d84ccec4618846758b45a4.jpg
Are you serious right now you piece of shit? People just died in Munich, they were killed for no reason, and you're trying to deflect the blame, bringing up Breivik for no reason?

Get the phuck out of here you disgusting bigot.

[Nick Young]

Video of the shooter. Looks like a fat ISIS kid.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BILAiIWAZAY/


Disgusting.

Merkel did this to her own people

RIP to the victims.

[LEFT4DEAD]

The word is that shooter first started offending the immigrants and said " Im a German" before firing.

[Nick Young]

Religion of shooters please?

The left media has been hammering Trump's speech for being too dark or gloomy...well dumbasses, the world is in a gloomy place. Evident with this shooting not even 24 hours after the speech. These shootings whether by islamic terrorist or retard domestic racist terrorist happen on a weekly basis now. Obama doesn't do a thing. They probably didn't notice that Trumps speech was also uplifting towards the end. The place is in gloomier place because of Hillary, Obama, Merkel, and all the other losers responsible.
The lefty media is a safe space echo chamber.

Anything that goes against the narrative is "too dark and gloomy"

The Obama answer of minimizing every thing and pretending it's not a big deal is the narrative they're still clinging to.


As always with modern Democrats, instead of admitting their mistake, they will double down and call for more unvetted immigration from Muslim countries to counter this, and again likely blame the West and white people.

[imdaman99]

Religion of shooters please?

Fanaticism or terrorism, have your pick.

It's always the same guys in every thread with the same agenda as well. Have some respect for the victims :facepalm

RIP to the victims and their families :(

[Nick Young]

I agree... they didnt properly seperate the 'bad' ones. No background checks done? Just hard to differentiate?

I dont know.. its tough. I just wish they would have been taken to to other destinations also, like in Saudi Arabia.

As for the ones I met.. theyre pretty upstanding dudes. Also dont get much $ at all, live in meh homes. This one guy 17, now has to go into the 10th grade, he'd normally be in 12th now. His German is already pretty solid.
Yeah. I have zero problem with dudes like that. Let those guys in! Hard working people who are grateful to be in Europe and are working to integrate in to their new home!

All I am saying, and always have been saying IS VET PEOPLE BETTER BEFORE YOU GIVE THEM A FREE HOME AND STATE WELFARE.

Yes, many people like the guys you describe deserve that!

But also, many people don't.

Just vet people before letting them across borders. If you aren't capable of vetting people and ensuring terrorists and Islamist radicals don't come in, you shouldn't be letting so many people in.

What is the logic of favoring foreign nationals ahead of your own nationals?:confusedshrug:

[TomCat]

I'm tired of this shit.

We need to round up the muslims, send them to syria, and nuke them all.

[NumberSix]

They're saying it might be "right wing" terrorism. That might be entirely true, but the problem is, the German government and media has been proven untrustworthy. I wouldn't put it past them to cover up yet another Muslim attack and misrepresent it as being something else.


I'm tired of this shit.

We need to round up the muslims, send them to syria, and nuke them all.
We don't know who did it.

[Nick Young]

Fanaticism or terrorism, have your pick.

It's always the same guys in every thread with the same agenda as well. Have some respect for the victims :facepalm

RIP to the victims and their families :(
It is the highest respect to the victims to label their ****head killers what they truly are

Still you are right, the details are not out on this and it is possible that Islamist terrorists aren't at fault for this. That is a 5-10% chance they aren't Islamists, but all the same it is still a chance.

[Nick Young]

They're saying it might be "right wing" terrorism. That might be entirely true, but the problem is, the German government and media has been proven untrustworthy. I wouldn't put it past them to cover up yet another Muslim attack and misrepresent it as being something else.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BILAiIWAZAY/
Video footage of the shooter.

[imdaman99]

I'm tired of this shit.

We need to round up the muslims, send them to syria, and nuke them all.
Who's gonna lead the way? Internet nerds like you? Yeah, sounds like a great idea. Keep your pathetic and unrealistic ideas to yourself.

[Nick Young]

The word is that shooter first started offending the immigrants and said " Im a German" before firing.
Interesting.

ISIS has already claimed responsibility for these attacks (http://www.financialexpress.com/world-news/shooting-at-shopping-centre-in-munich-multiple-deaths-reported/326016/)

We will soon see the truth.

Whoever the shooters are, we can all agree they are pieces of shit.

[Nick Young]

Who's gonna lead the way? Internet nerds like you? Yeah, sounds like a great idea. Keep your pathetic and unrealistic ideas to yourself.
You're right, we should all sit at home, shut up, and say nothing.


ISIS has claimed responsibility for the shooting rampage in Europe. (http://www.financialexpress.com/world-news/shooting-at-shopping-centre-in-munich-multiple-deaths-reported/326016/)


We do not know if this is the truth, it is only what ISIS is saying.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Didn't Germany listen to Trump's speech last night?
Then this never would have happened.

[Nick Young]

Didn't Germany listen to Trump's speech last night?
Then this never would have happened.
Merkel is essentially the anti-Trump.

This is what happens when you let Cultural Marxists run your nation.


Hillary Clinton and her ilk are Cultural Marxists.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Es ist einer von euren Neonazi-Idioten du Kackscheisse.

[imdaman99]

You're right, we should all sit at home, shut up, and say nothing.

ISIS has claimed responsibility for the shooting rampage in Europe. (http://www.financialexpress.com/world-news/shooting-at-shopping-centre-in-munich-multiple-deaths-reported/326016/)

We do not know if this is the truth, it is only what ISIS is saying.
No, he's right. We should round up all the Muslims and send to Syria and nuke them. That is the guy you wanna pick the side of? :biggums:

The truth will set you free. Come out.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Pray for Deutschland.

Oh yeah, this always helps.:rolleyes:

[Nick Young]

Es ist einer von euren Neonazi-Idioten du Kackscheisse.
An eyewitness on CNN in the McDonalds just confirmed that she heard the man shout "Allahu Ackbar" before targeting children.

[Nick Young]

An eyewitness on CNN in the McDonalds just confirmed that she heard the man shout "Allahu Ackbar" before targeting children.


ISIS has claimed responsibility for the shootings.


Draw your own conclusions.

[Nash]

Doesn't ISIS claim responsibility for everything?

[Lakers Legend#32]

I't been confirmed, the shooter shouted, "Vote for Trump."

[9erempiree]

I't been confirmed, the shooter shouted, "Vote for Trump."
:facepalm

Now is not the time bro.

Please refrain from using Trump's name unless it involves: killing ISIS, killing terrorists, protecting Americans and protecting our great LGBTQ community.

[NumberSix]

An eyewitness on CNN in the McDonalds just confirmed that she heard the man shout "Allahu Ackbar" before targeting children.
German media is claiming a shooter shouted "anti-foreigner" stuff. Again, it might be true, but we unfortunately can't trust German media or the government due to the record of trying to cover up "refugee" crimes.

[imdaman99]

Doesn't ISIS claim responsibility for everything?
They claimed responsibility for my toothache after I tweeted a pic of me on 4th of July. They are evil as f :mad:

[9erempiree]

^^^^ sympathizer.

[Nick Young]

^^^^ sympathizer.
Exactly. Now is not the time for this minimizing/justifying bullshit and deflection tactics that this kid always uses when a radical Islamist terrorist goes on a murder spree.


I can only thank God for the NSA and CIA in times like this.

[Nash]

^^^^ sympathizer.
what are your thought about the reports that one of them shot himself in the head? Not something you do in the name of jihad.

[Nick Young]

German media is claiming a shooter shouted "anti-foreigner" stuff. Again, it might be true, but we unfortunately can't trust German media or the government due to the record of trying to cover up "refugee" crimes.
Well, this Loretta woman who spoke to CNN might have just been an actor but that is what she said. She claimed to be in the McDonalds, she came the shooter came out the bathroom, shouted Allahu Ackbar and then started shooting and targeting children.

I cannot believe the German media would really try to pull that censorship bullshit right now.

Their media truly is cucked if what you're saying is true.

[9erempiree]

what are your thought about the reports that one of them shot himself in the head? Not something you do in the name of jihad.

Killing yourself is totally jihad.

Please reference those scumbag suicide bombers.

[9erempiree]

German media is claiming a shooter shouted "anti-foreigner" stuff. Again, it might be true, but we unfortunately can't trust German media or the government due to the record of trying to cover up "refugee" crimes.

I have no idea since German media have been censoring things.

I'm just going to say it involves Islam till we see the shooter's face.

[Nick Young]

what are your thought about the reports that one of them shot himself in the head? Not something you do in the name of jihad.
Are you serious? Many blow themselves up in the name of Allah and jihad. Many of them kill themselves before they get caught.

[Nash]

I feel like some people on here wish for it to be either muslim or white person depending on what your agenda is.

You guys need to chill.

[senelcoolidge]

Awaiting shooters background. But you guys are familiar with hijrah? I don't understand how Merkel could do this to her own people.

[Nick Young]

CNN keeps replaying the clip of the woman who was in the restaurant. She said he was targeting kids sitting down and eating. She said he shouted "allahu ackbar allahu ackbar" and also she said that she was a Muslim herself too.



REMEMBER EVERYONE, I need to make this clear. Majority of Muslims just want happy lives! This woman and her family was living a peaceful integrated life in Germany and having a nice meal in McDonalds. They don't support terror! It is a tiny but violent and active sect of Islam responsible for this that does not represent the entire religion. Many Muslims are victims of these violent Islamists too.


DO NOT HATE ALL MUSLIMS. Majority of them are good people who hate Islamist terrorists too.

[Long Duck Dong]

An eyewitness on CNN in the McDonalds just confirmed that she heard the man shout "Allahu Ackbar" before targeting children.

Whether or not he said that, I think we can all agree "Allah Ackbar!" is the last thing anyone wants to hear when sitting down for their morning breakfast except for maybe, "I gotta bomb and ya'll gonna die!".

[9erempiree]

I feel like some people on here wish for it to be either muslim or white person depending on what your agenda is.

You guys need to chill.

I don't wish because whatever race or ethnicity of the person doesn't matter. Crimes doesn't discriminate. It is bad no matter the race.

I do wish for Germany to curb the acceptance of 'refugees' or 'immigrants' due to the influx of terror attacks on the good people of Germany.

This incident should not raise awareness. Awareness should have been raised a long time ago.

[Nick Young]

REMEMBER EVERYONE, I need to make this clear. Majority of Muslims just want happy lives! This woman eyewitness and her family was living a peaceful integrated life in Germany and having a nice meal in McDonalds. They don't support terror! It is a tiny but violent and active sect of Islam responsible for this that does not represent the entire religion. Many Muslims are victims of these violent Islamists too.


DO NOT HATE ALL MUSLIMS. Majority of them are good people who hate Islamist terrorists too.

[Nick Young]

What is Hijrah?


REMEMBER EVERYONE, I need to make this clear. Majority of Muslims just want happy lives! This woman eyewitness and her family was living a peaceful integrated life in Germany and having a nice meal in McDonalds. They don't support terror! It is a tiny but violent and active sect of Islam responsible for this that does not represent the entire religion. Many Muslims are victims of these violent Islamists too.


DO NOT HATE ALL MUSLIMS. Majority of them are good people who hate Islamist terrorists too.

[Nash]

I don't wish because whatever race or ethnicity of the person doesn't matter. Crimes doesn't discriminate. It is bad no matter the race.

I do wish for Germany to curb the acceptance of 'refugees' or 'immigrants' due to the influx of terror attacks on the good people of Germany.

This incident should not raise awareness. Awareness should have been raised a long time ago.
I assume you're an American, maybe Canadian. Do you care about ISIS terrorism in the middle east as much as you do about terrorism in Europe?

If terrorism in Europe magically stops, would you be as passionate about ISIS terrorism in the middle east as you are about it in Europe/North America?

I'm just trying to understand you here, because to me.. ISIS terrorist don't separate between white or muslim. You're not exempt if you're muslim. A guy runs over people in Nice? Don't matter if you're muslim or not.
Does it matter to you if the attack is in Baghdad or Paris?

[9erempiree]

I assume you're an American, maybe Canadian. Do you care about ISIS terrorism in the middle east as much as you do about terrorism in Europe?

If terrorism in Europe magically stops, would you be as passionate about ISIS terrorism in the middle east as you are about it in Europe/North America?

I'm just trying to understand you here, because to me.. ISIS terrorist don't separate between white or muslim. You're not exempt if you're muslim. A guy runs over people in Nice? Don't matter if you're muslim or not.
Does it matter to you if the attack is in Baghdad or Paris?

I'm passionate against terrorism even if it stopped in the West. If you have been following me you would know that I was shitting on ISIS long before they started going West.

How can you not condemn a group of people chopping heads off with kitchen utensils? That is the definition of barbarians.

It's exaggerated because more attacks are happening in the West than they are in the Middle East and plus most Muslims will bow down to ISIS. They are not the type to fight for their own freedom and they don't know what to do with freedom when given to them. In a way they are enablers.

[Nick Young]

I assume you're an American, maybe Canadian. Do you care about ISIS terrorism in the middle east as much as you do about terrorism in Europe?

If terrorism in Europe magically stops, would you be as passionate about ISIS terrorism in the middle east as you are about it in Europe/North America?

I'm just trying to understand you here, because to me.. ISIS terrorist don't separate between white or muslim. You're not exempt if you're muslim. A guy runs over people in Nice? Don't matter if you're muslim or not.
Does it matter to you if the attack is in Baghdad or Paris?


Terrorism in Baghdad is just as bad as terrorism in Paris.

Please stop your shaming narrative right now. It is a deflection tactic and logical fallacy.

ALL TERRORISM IS HORRIBLE. If the media covers stories more in Europe than in the Middle East, THAT IS THE MEDIA'S FAULT.


Did you know there was an Islamist terrorist attack in Nigeria earlier this year by Boko Haram where 1,200 people were killed? THE MEDIA HARDLY SPOKE ABOUT IT. HARDLY ANYONE CARES ABOUT THIS. That is wrong! A near 9/11 sized attack and no one talks about these victims in Nigeria.


All the same, this thread is about the murder rampage in Germany. Please stop trying to shame people who speak out against it. Please stop trying to change the subject.

If you wish to speak about the Western media ignoring terrorist attacks that aren't in America or Europe, make a separate thread about it.

[imdaman99]

Exactly. Now is not the time for this minimizing/justifying bullshit and deflection tactics that this kid always uses when a radical Islamist terrorist goes on a murder spree.

I can only thank God for the NSA and CIA in times like this.
Who is deflecting? You think I defend ISIS? You haven't been paying attention have you? Comprehension issues, as always with you.

ISIS, the dudes out there killing my Muslim brothers and sisters... I'm sure the NSA is more worried about morons that want to round up all Muslims, send them to Syria and nuke them. But keep at it, idiot troll. Back on ignore because I've wasted enough time reading your posts :facepalm

[Nick Young]

Who is deflecting? You think I defend ISIS? You haven't been paying attention have you? Comprehension issues, as always with you.

ISIS, the dudes out there killing my Muslim brothers and sisters... I'm sure the NSA is more worried about morons that want to round up all Muslims, send them to Syria and nuke them. But keep at it, idiot troll. Back on ignore because I've wasted enough time reading your posts :facepalm
Your peaceful Muslim brothers and sisters in the Middle East and all over the world for that matter, do not deserve this bullshit they have to face every day. It is wrong IMO that all Muslims are being smeared due to a tiny sect of Islam, radical Islamists. Believe it or not, I pray for your peaceful brothers and sisters safety and wish them the best.


People need to unite. You are correct. There is no need for anger and division now. I will take you at your word that I misinterpreted your words in this thread and I directly apologize to you. I am sorry imdaman99. I will watch my words in the future before jumping to conclusions so quickly.

[UK2K]

[QUOTE]
Olympia shopping center

[Trollsmasher]

czech gov is putting controls on the borders and patrols into public hotspots

they wouldn't be doing that if this was a white nazi

[Nick Young]

Unbelievable. Earlier this morning Obama gave a speech how dark and gloomy Trump's speech was. "Birds are chirping and the sun is shining"

Obama was giving this speech while the shooting spree in Munich was occurring.

Do you think anyone wants this shit to happen? NO!

We are pissed off that our idiot leaders like Obama and his DNC successor Clinton are continuing to just minimize the problems and pretend nothing is wrong while telling us to walk around outside and listen to chirping birds while kids in Germany are getting gunned down by terrorists.

[Trollsmasher]

Unbelievable. Earlier this morning Obama gave a speech how dark and gloomy Trump's speech was. "Birds are chirping and the sun is shining"

Obama was giving this speech while the shooting spree in Munich was occurring.

Do you think anyone wants this shit to happen? NO!

We are pissed off that our idiot leaders like Obama and his DNC successor Clinton are continuing to just minimize the problems and pretend nothing is wrong while telling us to walk around outside and listen to chirping birds while kids in Germany are getting gunned down by terrorists.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn_amINWEAQq6uf.jpg

:lol

[sd3035]

obama is a lying scumbag

[Nick Young]

Look for Hillary to adopt Trump's exact same anti-terrorism anti-Islamist stance, and for the Clinton News Network lefty media to back her completely and praise her for being "strong" and a "realist":facepalm

Hillbot's scanners are in full effect. Ever since that recent poll came out, she is going to start ripping off Trump just like she ripped off Bernie.

Unbelievable.

[sd3035]

Hitlery has no credibility among intelligent people

[NumberSix]

I feel like some people on here wish for it to be either muslim or white person depending on what your agenda is.

You guys need to chill.
You know there are millions of people who are both white and Muslim.

[pauk]

Killing yourself is totally jihad.

Please reference those scumbag suicide bombers.

Only ISIS and you think that there is Jihad...

Suicide in Koran/Islam (in any context) as with other Abrahamic religions, views it as one of the greatest sins, utterly detrimental to one's spiritual journey.

According Islam if "military" jihad is required to protect the faith against others, it must be performed using anything from legal, diplomatic and economic to political means. If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force as only defense, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents, women, children, or invalids - must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted.
Military action is therefore only one means of jihad, and is very rare. To highlight this point, the Prophet Mohammed told his followers returning from a military campaign: "This day we have returned from the minor jihad to the major jihad," which he said meant returning from armed battle to the peaceful battle for self-control and betterment.

In case military action appears necessary, not everyone can declare jihad, you are not allowed to play God....

Jihad is not a violent concept, its the biggest opposite, it literally mean spiritual war (struggle, striving to become as good of a human being as possible).

Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions. Koran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as "people of the book" who should be protected and respected. All three faiths worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and is used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslims.

You know as much about Islam as ISIS.... only you and they think that there is Islam / Jihad or anything muslim related.... these are terrorists, psychos who once upon a time may have been true muslims, but lost it the very moment they traveled to a random place and went ham a la Columbine High School Eric Harris & Dylan Klebold on everybody, braking every single rule in any Abrahamic Book... no matter how desperately they go "Allah Akbar".... and thats IT...

[NumberSix]

Why would i have a link when i said i only remember seeing it on Fox news?
I remember that exact same interview. He said "it looks like a Muslim terror attack, but it's not".

[Bourne]

Only ISIS and you think that there is Jihad...

Suicide in Koran/Islam (in any context) as with other Abrahamic religions, views it as one of the greatest sins, utterly detrimental to one's spiritual journey.

According Islam if "military" jihad is required to protect the faith against others, it must be performed using anything from legal, diplomatic and economic to political means. If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force as only defense, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents, women, children, or invalids - must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted.
Military action is therefore only one means of jihad, and is very rare. To highlight this point, the Prophet Mohammed told his followers returning from a military campaign: "This day we have returned from the minor jihad to the major jihad," which he said meant returning from armed battle to the peaceful battle for self-control and betterment.

In case military action appears necessary, not everyone can declare jihad, you are not allowed to play God....

Jihad is not a violent concept, its the biggest opposite, it literally mean spiritual war (struggle, striving to become as good of a human being as possible).

Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions. Koran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as "people of the book" who should be protected and respected. All three faiths worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and is used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslims.

You know as much about Islam as ISIS.... only you and they think that there is Islam / Jihad or anything muslim related.... these are terrorists, psychos who once upon a time may have been true muslims, but lost it the very moment they traveled to a random place and went ham a la Columbine High School Eric Harris & Dylan Klebold on everybody, braking every single rule in any Abrahamic Book... no matter how desperately they go "Allah Akbar".... and thats IT...

Yeah, you're interpretation is the correct one; the thousands/millions who follow a more evil interpretation are allllll wrong. And because your version is right, we actually don't have a problem in the world from the thing being interpreted since your interpretation is all peachy and 100% correct. Because their beliefs are factually wrong, right? :D

I'm glad we have people like you around to tell us everything is fine, like a good boyfriend. :D

[UK2K]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3703975/Grinning-Obama-JOKES-Munich-carnage-press-conference-shifts-gears-talk-daughter-Malia-leaving-nest-college.html#ixzz4FB7w4bJe

Classy. A handful of people were killed and twice as many shot at a shopping mall...

[Nick Young]

"ISIS are a JV team" (actual quote)
Paris attack a day later


"Trump's speech was dark and gloomy lunacy. Go outside and walk around in the shining sun and listen to the chirping birds" (paraphrasing here)
Gave this speech at the same time the Munich massacre was occurring

[9erempiree]

"ISIS are a JV team" (actual quote)
Paris attack a day later


"Trump's speech was dark and gloomy lunacy. Go outside and walk around in the shining sun and listen to the chirping birds" (paraphrasing here)
Gave this speech at the same time the Munich massacre was occurring.

Obama needs to STFU.

We would be a lot safer.

He is jinxing everything.

[Nash]

Yeah, you're interpretation is the correct one; the thousands/millions who follow a more evil interpretation are allllll wrong. And because your version is right, we actually don't have a problem in the world from the thing being interpreted since your interpretation is all peachy and 100% correct. Because their beliefs are factually wrong, right? :D

I'm glad we have people like you around to tell us everything is fine, like a good boyfriend. :D
they are wrong, they are a minority. you do know there are 2 billions muslims out there?

[Spurs m8]

Obama needs to STFU.

We would be a lot safer.

He is jinxing everything.

Exactly.

Look how divided he's leaving the country.

By design.

[Nick Young]

The shooter is an 18 year old Iranian-German
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq11un3xqsA

[Nick Young]

single offender, 18 year old german/iranian guy who is dead/got killed/suicide, 10 people dead, motive unclear, looks like no more danger

Live press conference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq11un3xqsA

[poido123]

I'm as disappointed and angry as the next guy over this.


But beating up other muslims on this site isn't the answer either.


This problem is in the manifestation of hate and divide. There are globalists and rich saudis who are engineering this war.


Don't get suckered in. For the sake of throwing around cheap shots on the internet will only lead to further resentment and more radicals.



The bombing of Syria needs to stop. Every family affected by the bombs will hate whoever did it, no matter who is right or wrong. I'm not condoning the terrorist attacks at all, but I'm saying there is plenty of stuff fueling them to keep doing what they do and recruiting who they want.


How do we slow this situation down? Support good muslims to lead their own towards the reformed Islam, the educated and understanding of the complexities within the Quran. This is the biggest problem fueling terrorism and ISIS, they can easily recruit those who don't understand the Quran in context and are brainwashed to believe the West is evil.


RIP TO MUNICH VICTIMS. This is a sad day for everyone

[Nick Young]

I stand with true and good Muslims (majority of Muslims on this planet). I stand against violent pro-Sharia radical Islamists.

[NumberSix]

I don't think this has anything to do with religion or terrorism. Just a crazy dude that happens to be a Muslim.

There's some odd facts though. He's Iranian, which are overwhelmingly Shia, so that doesn't really add up. He had what appeared to be a semi-auto which I'm not sure if they are even available in Germany. Especially if you have a mental illness record. So he got the gun somewhere.

[poido123]

I don't think this has anything to do with religion or terrorism. Just a crazy dude that happens to be a Muslim.

There's some odd facts though. He's Iranian, which are overwhelmingly Shia, so that doesn't really add up. He had what appeared to be a semi-auto which I'm not sure if they are even available in Germany. Especially if you have a mental illness record. So he got the gun somewhere.



Exactly.


But who fcken knows these days. There is so much confusion and agenda in the media, it's hard to decipher the real truth most of the time.


And we all know that Germany has made an effort to blanket anti-muslim rhetoric to support Merkel's decision on welcoming in refugees, so there's that.

[blablabla]

I don't think this has anything to do with religion or terrorism. Just a crazy dude that happens to be a Muslim.

There's some odd facts though. He's Iranian, which are overwhelmingly Shia, so that doesn't really add up. He had what appeared to be a semi-auto which I'm not sure if they are even available in Germany. Especially if you have a mental illness record. So he got the gun somewhere.
I wouldn't be too sure that he wasn't affiliated with a terror organization, even here in Vienna there are plenty of kids(mostly aged 14-21) who openly support ISIS, they are walking around in Camouflage pants and that black ISIS bandana it's insane i don't think the public realizes that those ideologies are widespread and it is also not a product of the refugee crisis as those are mostly people who were born here. And I can't believe how the EU can just watch this stuff happen and not react, and Obama was right ISIS are a JV team, at least compared to the Military resources the EU possesses but we are getting destroyed right now as we are not even playing.

[bdreason]

I don't think that Muslims living in the Western World are a good representation of the religion. They aren't living under Sharia law. They live in a society whose laws were mostly created by Christians and Catholics. Muslim controlled Countries like Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. are more accurate representations of Islam.

I often wonder how any woman living in the Western World could be Muslim when they can see how women are treated under Sharia Law. I read an article yesterday about a Muslim girl in Pakistan who was choked to death in her sleep by her brother, because she posted something on the internet. They called it an "honor killing". I'm not sure what's worse, the fact that a brother can legally strangle his sister to death, or the fact that it's so common they actually have a name for it.

[west_tip]

I wouldn't be too sure that he wasn't affiliated with a terror organization, even here in Vienna there are plenty of kids(mostly aged 14-21) who openly support ISIS, they are walking around in Camouflage pants and that black ISIS bandana it's insane i don't think the public realizes that those ideologies are widespread and it is also not a product of the refugee crisis as those are mostly people who were born here. And I can't believe how the EU can just watch this stuff happen and not react, and Obama was right ISIS are a JV team, at least compared to the Military resources the EU possesses but we are getting destroyed right now as we are not even playing.

Thats the most troublesome part of the situation imo. Some of these kids have been born and raised in the west but feel no sense of pride, loyalty or affiliation to the country of their birth.

It's one thing to improve border controls, refuse to accept refugees or immigrants and deport n'er do wells, its another thing entirely to have to deal with people hostile to your country who are natural born citizens. I don't know how you even begin to go about addressing that problem.

[poido123]

Thats the most troublesome part of the situation imo. Some of these kids have been born and raised in the west but feel no sense of pride, loyalty or affiliation to the country of their birth.

It's one thing to improve border controls, refuse to accept refugees or immigrants and deport n'er do wells, its another thing entirely to have to deal with people hostile to your country who are natural born citizens. I don't know how you even begin to go about addressing that problem.



Comes down to poor understanding of the Quran and feeling a sense of alienation in western society. That might mean that muslims feel safer around their own people inside a western country AND the lack of job opportunity and welcoming people that will cause that alienation.


We need to fix that and fix it fast. Maybe governments could introduce slow and systemic muslim integration and disperse them everywhere. Not just dump them in pockets of society and hope they integrate, it won't work.


Dropping the war in Syria would help. That only perpetuates the divide and mistrust. ISIS aren't going to go away with bombings they are everywhere now, we need to try and kill them with kindness and that is, cutting off their propaganda with thoughtful and systematic integration by our governments.

[dunksby]

According to Reuters the kid was heard shouting racial profanities.

[Long Duck Dong]

According to Reuters the kid was heard shouting racial profanities.

Actually the guy from the balcony below the shooter was taunting him and basically calling him a Sand Ni**er, to which the kid would cry in protest "I'm German!". He may be racist but Balcony Guy had balls of steel. :oldlol:

Anyways the shooter was middle eastern. It is confirmed that at least one witness claimed he yelled "Allah Akbar!"

[BasedTom]

I assume you're an American, maybe Canadian. Do you care about ISIS terrorism in the middle east as much as you do about terrorism in Europe?

If terrorism in Europe magically stops, would you be as passionate about ISIS terrorism in the middle east as you are about it in Europe/North America?

I'm just trying to understand you here, because to me.. ISIS terrorist don't separate between white or muslim. You're not exempt if you're muslim. A guy runs over people in Nice? Don't matter if you're muslim or not.
Does it matter to you if the attack is in Baghdad or Paris?

False, they target non sunnis. Shia, Christian, Buddhist, and everyone not sunni Muslim is fairgame

[BasedTom]

I wouldn't be too sure that he wasn't affiliated with a terror organization, even here in Vienna there are plenty of kids(mostly aged 14-21) who openly support ISIS, they are walking around in Camouflage pants and that black ISIS bandana it's insane i don't think the public realizes that those ideologies are widespread and it is also not a product of the refugee crisis as those are mostly people who were born here. And I can't believe how the EU can just watch this stuff happen and not react, and Obama was right ISIS are a JV team, at least compared to the Military resources the EU possesses but we are getting destroyed right now as we are not even playing.


What doesn't add up is him being Iranian and probably Shia Muslim. This is an act of a lone wolf.

[StephHamann]

This has NOTHING to do with Islam boys

[BoutPractice]

Yeah, a Shiite ISIS supporter is a bit like a Jewish Nazi... it's not unheard of, but it's certainly not something you'd expect to see.

Then again, you never know with confused 18 year olds.

[StephHamann]

Random fun fact. Germans have killed more Norwegians than Muslim immigrants

Random fact, you like to suck cocks.

[pauk]

The gunman also apparently claimed to have been "bullied for seven years".

Dylan Klebold / Eric Harris wannabe.

[pauk]

This has NOTHING to do with Islam boys

Im sorry but Koran or Torah/Bible & their intentions is very clear / impossible to interpret any other way but one... breaking the EASIEST commandments, pillars, principles, engagements to follow like "You shall not MURDER, You shall not kill Innocents, Women, Children, Invalids etc." makes you an atheist/agnostic/non-religious no matter how much you shout "Jesus Christ/God Almighty/Dear God!" or "(God is Great)Allah Akbar" or "(God is Great)Eloah Gadol"... especially against your own brothers / people of the book...

Stop sympathizing with criminals by calling them religious, you are only doing them a favor......

[StephHamann]

Damn, you are melting down every time a random Muslim goes on a killing spree in the western world, which is every 3-10 days nowadays.

Keep melting down boy

[alenleomessi]

The shooter is an 18 year old Iranian-German
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq11un3xqsA
that sounds like arbitrarywater

Last Activity: Yesterday 09:30 PM
hmm

when was he caught again?

[pauk]

Damn, you are melting down every time a random Muslim goes on a killing spree in the western world, which is every 3-10 days nowadays.

Keep melting down boy

Im just correcting incorrect statements, with facts, logic, ration.... thats all... :confusedshrug:

[kurple]

CNN keeps replaying the clip of the woman who was in the restaurant. She said he was targeting kids sitting down and eating. She said he shouted "allahu ackbar allahu ackbar" and also she said that she was a Muslim herself too
American media is a joke

[kurple]

Per CNN.
:facepalm

[LEFT4DEAD]

I heard so many "Adolf Hitler" screams last night :lol Nazis gonna... be nazis. Im just waiting for Germany vs World part 2.

[knickballer]

Apparently 3 of the victims were Albanian, 3 were Turks and 1 was a Greek. All teenagers/young adults :(

I think both sides will use this case for their own political agenda. Seems like this crazy shooter kid grew up in the ghetto, got bullied and the same old story when it comes to shooters.

[sd3035]

Apparently 3 of the victims were Albanian, 3 were Turks and 1 was a Greek. All teenagers/young adults :(

I think both sides will use this case for their own political agenda. Seems like this crazy shooter kid grew up in the ghetto, got bullied and the same old story when it comes to shooters.

He was muslim and was heard shouting Allahu Akbar, but he wasn't a typical terrorist, just a bullied young man who snapped

[LJJ]

I mean, he was an Iranian guy and live in an area where mostly Turks, Kosovars etcetera are living.

Must not be nice to grow up there in his situation. The guys you technically feel closest to, the other immigrant kids, reject you and bully you for being part of the wrong sect. You don't truly fit in with the natives either.

I buy the story that he was a bullied kid who snapped, rather than an Islamist extremist.

[tomtucker]

Apparently 3 of the victims were Albanian, 3 were Turks and 1 was a Greek. All teenagers/young adults :(

I think both sides will use this case for their own political agenda. Seems like this crazy shooter kid grew up in the ghetto, got bullied and the same old story when it comes to shooters.
well, at least this story has a silver lining

[Long Duck Dong]

Muzzies can have a pass on this one. Won't be long though before...

[nightprowler10]

I don't think that Muslims living in the Western World are a good representation of the religion. They aren't living under Sharia law. They live in a society whose laws were mostly created by Christians and Catholics. Muslim controlled Countries like Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. are more accurate representations of Islam.

I often wonder how any woman living in the Western World could be Muslim when they can see how women are treated under Sharia Law. I read an article yesterday about a Muslim girl in Pakistan who was choked to death in her sleep by her brother, because she posted something on the internet. They called it an "honor killing". I'm not sure what's worse, the fact that a brother can legally strangle his sister to death, or the fact that it's so common they actually have a name for it.

This is an interesting post. What I can tell you though is that there is no Sharia Law in Pakistan and the whole nation rejected such a change in a referendum less than 20 years ago. There are some really messed up things in the constitution like the blasphemy law that were added by Bhutto and his cronies in the 70s to try and appease the fundamentalist faction and get more votes, but otherwise it's not close to being an Islamic state. This is partially why the Taliban have been at war with the country for over 10 years, or at least how they justify killing Pakistani children.

The honor killing thing is certainly more common in these countries than it should be, but it's a left over archaic aspect of the culture(s) rather than something from Sharia. In fact, I'm pretty sure something like this goes strictly against Sharia Law. It's also not legal for the brother to kill his sister, but due to the corrupt state of affairs I would not be surprised if he got away with it.

The point about women is a good one too, but they have differing levels of freedom depending on where you go. My sister is a good case. She spent the first 14 years of her life in the middle east, then the next 5 in Pakistan, the next 20 in Chicago. While there are certainly more freedoms in the west for her than in any of the Muslim countries she was in, the level of freedom was VASTLY different in urban areas vs rural areas, and middle east vs Pakistan. In contrast, my wife grew up in Karachi, a huge metropolitan city, and the transition to here was not as shocking as it was for my sister, and without a doubt my wife's family is 10 times more religious than my family ever was.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's not always the religion. A lot of the ****ed up things you hear about in these countries are very closely tied to archaic cultural practices that existed before Islam even made it there. How these practices survived is another discussion.

[HeatFanSince88]

already knew the guy wasn't going to be a native german before I read/digged into the story.

seems like the problem is obvious, but the left doesn't want to admit it.

[poido123]

well, at least this story has a silver lining



bro...


that's bitterness isn't good for you

[Dresta]

He got his gun off the deep web. I've said this before, but this pretty much shows that anyone who knows how to use a computer can get a gun these days--you don't even need contacts any more (and even in the UK it was never particularly hard to get hold of a gun, even before this, if you really wanted it).

Germany's efforts to control guns while not having a border which separates it from Belgium, are more than a little redundant.

[UK2K]

This has NOTHING to do with Islam boys
While I will agree with this because I'm not an emotionally charged liberal child, you and I both know of this a white dude, you'd be all over it trying to tie it to Trump somehow.

Sometimes you gotta take the high road though.

[Nick Young]

I was absolutely wrong to assume this was Islamist extremism before all the facts came out. I will refrain from jumping to such quick conclusions in the future. I will learn my lesson from this incident.


RIP to the victims, this kind of thing doesn't usually happen in Germany, hopefully it does not become a regular event.

[Dresta]

Despite Germany having some of the strictest gun laws in Europe, and that this gun was illegally obtained, politicians react in the same way, always:


Senior German politicians have called for tighter controls on the sale of guns in the wake of the shooting at the Olympia shopping centre.

Translation: "we want to disempower our citizens even more than we already have done." Thing is, continental Europe has never had much of a tradition of participatory politics and law, and has generally been ruled by elites who lay down the law, rather than a people who participate in creating the law. Therein lies the difference between the unarmed police of the UK, and the paramilitary police forces of the continent.

[QUOTE]The system whereby citizens were tried by their peers chosen from the entire community in open court was gradually superseded by an "engine of tyranny and oppression" in Germany, in which the process of investigation was secret and life and liberty depended upon judges appointed by the state.[6] In Constance the jury trial was suppressed by decree of the Habsburg Monarchy in 1786.[5] The Frankfurt Constitution of the failed Revolutions of 1848 called for jury trials for "the more serious crimes and all political offenses,"[7] but was never implemented after the Frankfurt Parliament was dissolved by W

[DonDadda59]

Apparently 3 of the victims were Albanian, 3 were Turks and 1 was a Greek. All teenagers/young adults :(

I think both sides will use this case for their own political agenda. Seems like this crazy shooter kid grew up in the ghetto, got bullied and the same old story when it comes to shooters.

So this was more Columbine than San Bernadino?

Sad either way.

[Nick Young]

It is why english and eu law are incompatible, and also why membership to the EU threatens english liberty (because jury trial has gradually been whittled away in the UK ever since EU membership). The truth is Continental Europe has never been as favourable to the concept of liberty, and the limitation of the arbitrary powers of elites, as the US and UK, who are of a pretty different tradition (religiously and legally and politically).
Dresta, what happened to France? They had the French Revolution, how did they become what they currently are?

[Dresta]

Another crazy refugee attacking people with a machete in Germany:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-machete-attack-stuttgart-reutlingen-crime-knife-attack-a7153561.html

The truth is that there would be less dead people in Europe right now if Merkel hadn't idiotically tried to pretend that national borders and security concerns are some kind of outdated obsolescence. Even without the cultural component, accepting hundreds of thousands of young men from a traumatising war-zone is a dangerous move, one that completely ignored the security concerns of the citizenry at large.

[Nick Young]

The police has confirmed the attacker was a 21-year-old Syrian refugee but have not released his name. The motive for the attack is unclear.

hmm

[DonDadda59]

So this was more Columbine than San Bernadino?

Sad either way.

SAD (http://abcnews.go.com/International/suspect-munich-attack-book-columbine-virginia-tech-shooters/story?id=40821013)

Imitating the worst part of American culture. Pray for the victims.

[Im Still Ballin]

SAD (http://abcnews.go.com/International/suspect-munich-attack-book-columbine-virginia-tech-shooters/story?id=40821013)

Imitating the worst part of American culture. Pray for the victims.
LeBron in last 3 finals: 31/11/7/2/1 on 49% (Average opponent win total of 67)

[DonDadda59]

LeBron in last 3 finals: 31/11/7/2/1 on 49% (Average opponent win total of 67)

*Vs dare you to shoot, swiss cheese defense.

Vs actual d- Bron gets outscored by Jason Terry coming off the bench. :yaohappy:

RIP to the victims.

[Dresta]

German police levelling guns at harmless civilians:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b73_1469280532

Under nascent police states people are slowly conditioned into being treated like de facto criminals--the assumption is one of guilt rather than innocence, and stringent gun laws are a reflection of this (labels all citizens as potential criminals).

[Nick Young]

German police levelling guns at harmless civilians:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b73_1469280532

Under nascent police states people are slowly conditioned into being treated like de facto criminals--the assumption is one of guilt rather than innocence, and stringent gun laws are a reflection of this (labels all citizens as potential criminals).
This is what the German people want. They voted for this. Many of them still accept and support the current regime in charge with a smile on their faces.

They like state controlled media. They like living in a police state.

It is in their culture.

[StephHamann]

This is what the German people want. They voted for this. Many of them still accept and support the current regime in charge with a smile on their faces.

They like state controlled media. They like living in a police state.

It is in their culture.

Bro stop generalising, there are still freedom loving germans in Germany.


We still here :rockon:

[Nick Young]

Bro stop generalising, there are still freedom loving germans in Germany.


We still here :rockon:
I know. I am speaking in terms of the majority vote who put her in office.

[sd3035]

Police have arrested a second man in connection with the deadly shooting

A 16 year old Afghan religion of peace member

[west_tip]

Some more Euro terrorism: Apparently there is a hostage situation currently in Normandy, France. Two people with knives have circa 4 people captive in a church. Reports of shots fired.