Why did Kobe fail to win a playoff series without Shaq before Pau showed up?

[Akrazotile]

I only ask because for a Top 12 player I find this very underwhelming, even tho I am a big (thick) fan of his.

It's not really the same as Pau failing in the playoffs, because nobody has Pau ranked even in the top 25. So nobody would expect Pau to be winning playoff series without HOFers around him.

But I mean in that same conference, guys like Paul, Melo, Nash all won playoff series without any HOFers on their teams.

Why come didn't Kobe never do that?


Thanks in advance for your insights guys and here's to a great discussion :cheers:

[scuzzy]

Hey I don't mean to derail the thread but...


Has Lebron James ever missed the playoffs?

[SouBeachTalents]

Hey I don't mean to derail the thread but...


Has Lebron James ever missed the playoffs?

:biggums: His first two seasons

[warriorfan]

Kobe stuck it out to build with his originally drafted team while LeBron jumped ship to collude

/End of thread

[scuzzy]

:biggums: His first two seasons

Interesting, One more question


Did Kobe start his first two seasons?

[TomCat]

collusion and crying

/thread

[I<3NBA]

Kobe is not that great. We all know that.

[Im Still Ballin]

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[RRR3]

:kobe: What series was Kobe the favorite in during that time period?

He did what he could with a weak supporting cast.

[SouBeachTalents]

:kobe: What series was Kobe the favorite in during that time period?

He did what he could with a weak supporting cast.

Dude came within an eyelash of beating the Suns in '06

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:kobe: What series was Kobe the favorite in during that time period?

He did what he could with a weak supporting cast.


Against the suns....when he was up 3-1

[ShawkFactory]

Common sense should lead you to the answer.

I'm pulling for you buddy

[Kblaze8855]

Players considered better than Kobe have led more talent than he had those years to worse records...

[SouBeachTalents]

Players considered better than Kobe have led more talent than he had those years to worse records...

Any specific examples, just curious

[scuzzy]

Any specific examples, just curious
2012 + 2013 Lakers :confusedshrug:

[Bankaii]

Players considered better than Kobe have led more talent than he had those years to worse records...
Is this a shot at Kareem?

[bobopenguin]

Cos Kobe had no 3 referees and David stern to help, like lebron.

[Bankaii]

Cos Kobe had no 3 referees and David stern to help, like lebron.
Did you really just bring up Lebron in a thread that has absolutely NOTHING to do with him?

So obsessed:oldlol:

[warriorfan]

Did you really just bring up Lebron in a thread that has absolutely NOTHING to do with him?

So obsessed:oldlol:

cumguzzy is the one who brought up bron in the 2nd post of the topic :oldlol:

[knicksman]

:sleeping only losers respect bran

[BlkMambaGOAT]

West was stacked, every playoff team was well over the .500 mark, meanwhile the East at the time was still being played at a house league level.

[JebronLames]

Kobe didn't have the it factor.

[Cone]

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Best ****ing poster on this site. :oldlol:

:banana: :party: :djparty :dancin

[bobopenguin]

cumguzzy is the one who brought up bron in the 2nd post of the topic :oldlol:

get them! :oldlol:

[CAstill]

The main reason was because there wasn't enough time. Pau came in the third season of Kobe being the man, leading to his team to the best record in the west before pau even got there . He got beat by the suns and caught them twice in a row. That team was no joke.

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol. Shaq w/o Kobe= 1 ring.

Pau w/o Kobe= 0 rings.

Ariza/bynum/Odom w/o Kobe= 0 rings

Ray w/o Bron= 1 ring

Wade w/o= 1 ring

Basically a trend. The "most dominant player ever" had the most successful only when paired with Kobe Bryant.

Ray Allen, one of the greatest shooters ever, found success before Bron.

Wade, the 3rd/4th best SG ever found success long before Bron.

[Mr Feeny]

Interesting, One more question


Did Kobe start his first two seasons?

Nope. He wasn't good enough. He was a bench player/scrub.

Even after that, as a starter in 1999 he had 3 airballs in game winning attempts against Utah as the Lakers got spanked.
The following year, he shot 36%fg from the field in the finals vs Indiana including a horrific 4-20 shooting game for 8 points.
Kobe during his first 4 years wasn't even worth discussing.

Lethick in his 4th year lead d-leaguers to the finals almost single handedly :lebronamazed:

:applause:

[SouBeachTalents]

Lol. Shaq w/o Kobe= 1 ring.

Pau w/o Kobe= 0 rings.

Ariza/bynum/Odom w/o Kobe= 0 rings

Ray w/o Bron= 1 ring

Wade w/o= 1 ring

Basically a trend. The "most dominant player ever" had the most successful only when paired with Kobe Bryant.

Ray Allen, one of the greatest shooters ever, found success before Bron.

Wade, the 3rd/4th best SG ever found success long before Bron.

It could also be he spent the majority of his prime, including his peak seasons, when he was teammates with Kobe

And the Ray Allen example is stupid considering he won his title as 3rd option

[scuzzy]

Nope. He wasn't good enough. He was a bench player/scrub.

Even after that, as a starter in 1999 he had 3 airballs in game winning attempts against Utah as the Lakers got spanked.
The following year, he shot 36%fg from the field in the finals vs Indiana including a horrific 4-20 shooting game for 8 points.
Kobe during his first 4 years wasn't even worth discussing.

Lethick in his 4th year lead d-leaguers to the finals almost single handedly :lebronamazed:

:applause:

Jesus:eek:

Thanks for the info :cheers:

[scuzzy]

It could also be he spent the majority of his prime, including his peak seasons, when he was teammates with Kobe

And the Ray Allen example is stupid considering he won his title as 3rd option

Or the fact that Shaq did have deep playoff success prior to being paired with Kobe and afterwards also :bowdown:

[34-24 Footwork]

It could also be he spent the majority of his prime, including his peak seasons, when he was teammates with Kobe

And the Ray Allen example is stupid considering he won his title as 3rd option

Lol @ Gasol,Bynum, Odom, Ariza and Shaq just "happening" to be successful alongside Kobe.

:roll: :roll:

You guys are hilarious.

"Replace Kobe with any 2 guard and still 3peat, doe".

[Mr Feeny]

Lol @ Gasol,Bynum, Odom, Ariza and Shaq just "happening" to be successful alongside Kobe.

:roll: :roll:

You guys are hilarious.

"Replace Kobe with any 2 guard and still 3peat, doe".

Replacing a sub-47% scorer and a 40%finals scorer with another 2 guard?

They wouldn't 3 peat. They'd win 4-5.

[bobopenguin]

Or the fact that Shaq did have deep playoff success prior to being paired with Kobe and afterwards also :bowdown:

and even shaq couldnt carry lebron. :oldlol:

literally, it took bosh + wade + ray to carry lebron.

[Mr Feeny]

and even shaq couldnt carry lebron. :oldlol:

Yawn. These 12be fans are just sad at this point:(

[bobopenguin]

Yawn. These 12be fans are just sad at this point:(

try harder.

bron and referee co.

[Mr Feeny]

try harder.

bron and referee co.

Yawn.

[feyki]

Trolling .. All day , All night .

[SouBeachTalents]

Lol @ Gasol,Bynum, Odom, Ariza and Shaq just "happening" to be successful alongside Kobe.

:roll: :roll:

You guys are hilarious.

"Replace Kobe with any 2 guard and still 3peat, doe".

Did I mention anybody but Shaq? The fucc you bringing all those other players up for :lol ? The fact remains Shaq played most of his prime, including his peak seasons with Kobe, that's indisputable

[SouBeachTalents]

and even shaq couldnt carry lebron. :oldlol:

literally, it took bosh + wade + ray to carry lebron.

38 year old Shaq tried, with his 12 ppg

[Old Man River]

ouch painful question for kobe stans

[Mr Feeny]

38 year old Shaq tried, with his 12 ppg

Try explaining that to a Kobe stan.

[bobopenguin]

Try explaining that to a Kobe stan.

and then bron stans are comparing 37 yrs old kobe with multiple injury + ACL tear to prime lebron with crab dribble+stiff arm + fake eldbow injnury.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[34-24 Footwork]

Did I mention anybody but Shaq? The fucc you bringing all those other players up for :lol ? The fact remains Shaq played most of his prime, including his peak seasons with Kobe, that's indisputable

Rofl! Guaranteed that you wouldn't view those years as his prime if he only got 1 ring there.

20-20 hindsight is always the best though. Stay mad little man.

[SouBeachTalents]

Rofl! Guaranteed that you wouldn't view those years as his prime if he only got 1 ring there.

20-20 hindsight is always the best though. Stay mad little man.

Are you seriously disputing '97-'04 wasn't part of Shaq's prime, and that he didn't peak during the 3peat?

[Real14]

Any specific examples, just curious
Stop trolling and respect the fact that Kblaze is right about that post.

[Real14]

What's Pau's playoff record without Kobe. What's Shaq finals record without him too? Mods need to do something about these trolling threads man:facepalm

[Nastradamus]

Why does everyone need help? Because the best team wins.Jordan was 1-9 without Pippen in playoffs. Is this thread over?

[SouBeachTalents]

Stop trolling and respect the fact that Kblaze is right about that post.

You legitimately think Carmelo is better than LeBron, you really shouldn't talk about trolling

[Real14]

You legitimately think Carmelo is better than LeBron, you really shouldn't talk about trolling
I said he should be but the league wouldn't allow it.

[Nilocon165]

I said he should be but the league wouldn't allow it.

Also, heres a clip of me from the other day

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Damn :biggums:

That explains your basketball knowledge

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe played with a dog shit supporting cast, and is partly to blame for that by running Shaq outta town, but there's simply no denying he quit in Game 7 versus Phoenix. Watching his 'decoy' explanation on Inside the NBA was absolutely hilarious. Charles and Ernie knew he couldn't sell it. :oldlol:

LA should have wrapped that series up in Game 6...and were literally one rebound away from doing so.

[tpols]

Kobe played with a dog shit supporting cast, and is partly to blame for that by running Shaq outta town, but there's simply no denying he quit in Game 7 versus Phoenix. Watching his 'decoy' explanation on Inside the NBA was absolutely hilarious. Charles and Ernie knew he couldn't sell it. :oldlol:

LA should have wrapped that series up in Game 6...and were literally one rebound away from doing so.

they got ray allen'ed by tim thomas.. Kobe hit the go ahead shots.. dropped 50, pretty much poured his guts out in that game 6 to try and close, but after a shot like that all momentum is pretty much crushed.. and we saw the same outcome in both series.