All the GOAT Rankings of Credible InsideHoops Posters (2016)

[Im Still Ballin]

NBAGOAT

Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Lebron
Magic
Shaq
Russell
Bird
Duncan
Hakeem


Quickening

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Lebron
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Shaq
7. Russell
8. Bird
9. Duncan
10. Hakeem


Trollsmasher

1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Russell
6. Wilt
7. Bird
8. Timmy
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem


longhornfan1234

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. LeBron
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Russell
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Bird
10. Kobe


BlazerRed

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Lebron
5. Russell
6. Wilt
7. Bird
8. Duncan
9. Shaq
10. Kobe


Mr Feeny

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Lebron
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Bird
9. Hakeem
10. Ilt


ninephive

1. Jordan
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. Duncan
5. Lebron
6. Wilt
7. Magic
8. Bird
9. Shad
10. Kobe


DMAVS41

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Lebron
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. KAJ
7. Wilt
8. Bird
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem


Odinn

1a. Michael Jordan
1b. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Shaquille O'Neal or LeBron James
5. LeBron James or Shaquille O'Neal
6. Tim Duncan
7. Larry Bird
8. Wilt Chamberlain
9. Magic Johnson
10. Hakeem Olajuwon


ScalsFan21

1. Jordan
2. LeBron
3. Kareem
4. Shaq
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Russell
8. Duncan
9. Hakeem
10. Wilt


Doranku

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Bill
4. LeBron
5. Magic/Ducan
6. Duncan/Magic
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Wilt
10. Kobe


Fudge

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. LeBron
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Bird
8. Russell
9. Wilt
10. Hakeem


Bernie Nips

1. Jordan
2. Bird
3. Kareem
4. Lebron
5. Russell
6. Magic
7. Wilt
8. Shaq
9. Duncan
10. Kobe


raprap

1. MJ
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. LeBron
5. Magic
6. Duncan
7. Shaq
8. Bird
9. Wilt
10. Hakeem

Will be added to when fit

[BallsOut]

1. Jordan
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Kobe
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. Dirk

[Im Still Ballin]

1. Jordan
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Kobe
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. Dirk
Analysis: Kobe Error detected

Conclusion: Not Credible, Denied

[Nilocon165]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Lebron
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Wilt
9. Bird
10. Hakeem

[TheWinningFam]

And after a few calculations lebron's mean ranking comes to 3.5 it just all adz up

[Im Still Ballin]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Lebron
4. Russell
5. Shaq
6. Duncan
7. Bird
8. Magic
9. Hakeem
10. Wilt
Analysis: Possible flags; Magic @8, Wilt @10

Conclusion: Credible

[Im Still Ballin]

And after a few calculations lebron's mean ranking comes to 3.5 it just all adz up
That's just about spot on with the general consensus (2016)

[Mr Feeny]

I wonder how close everyone was to the espn top 100 ranking?
I think they got it almost perfect.

[soots]

1. Russel
2. Duncan
3. MJ
4. Wilt
5. Kareem
6. Shaq
7. Hakeem
8. Magic
9. Bird
10. Kobe

My list, but i also included things like defense and leadership and working with what was given to you

[Nilocon165]

1. Russel
2. Duncan
3. MJ
4. Wilt
5. Kareem
6. Shaq
7. Hakeem
8. Magic
9. Bird
10. Kobe

My list, but i also included things like defense and leadership and working with what was given to you
At first I was confused when I saw Kobe's name but not Lebrons, but then I realized that you have Bill Russel and Tim Duncan as the two greatest basketball players of all time.

Possibly the worst top ten list I've ever seen.

EDIT: Hakeem above Bird and Magic? What the ****?

[soots]

At first I was confused when I saw Kobe's name but not Lebrons, but then I realized that you have Bill Russel and Tim Duncan as the two greatest basketball players of all time.

Possibly the worst top ten list I've ever seen.

EDIT: Hakeem above Bird and Magic? What the ****?

Yes I rate defense. And the lock down/alter everyones shot with your presence kind. Magic choked with a star studded cast and never played great d, mj got packed by bad boys. Theres a reason why no names like Ben Wallace win rings (no he isnt a top 20 player, but he is probably top 10 defensive of all time). And theres a reason why Russell won more rings than anyone by a fair margin and Duncan won 5 rings, theres a reason why DJ is in team USA and airballs freethrows. Defense is half the game. You want to judge players on offensive stats and not intangibles then Wilt suddenly jumps to the top. My list includes defense and working with what was given to you (especially Russel). LBJ has yet to move beyond Kobe but undoubtedly will. Hes the new and shiny thing, same thing happened during Kobe prime when everyone was rating him top 5.

[knicksman]

In the end, only losers respect cowards like bran.

[Gileraracer]

So basically all the guys who have Lebron in their top 5 are mentioned here.

Democracy Erdogan style

[talkingconch]

Lebron is around the area of top 10, not top 5. A couple of users on an online messageboard that looks 5 generations old doesn't change that. Sorry.

Lebron, IMO, needs to win at least 5-6 rings before we start talking 5-10 range for him. Because of the decisions he has made, he will need probably 7 if he wants to be GOAT or near top 3.

[Prime_Shaq]

1. Russel
2. Duncan
3. MJ
4. Wilt
5. Kareem
6. Shaq
7. Hakeem
8. Magic
9. Bird
10. Kobe

My list, but i also included things like defense and leadership and working with what was given to you
What the ****

[RoundMoundOfReb]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. LeBron
4. Russell
5. Shaq
6. Wilt
7. Bird
8. Duncan
9. Magic
10. Hakeem

[scuzzy]

1. Jordan
2. Lebron

3. Kareem
4. Shaq
5 Magic
6. Bird

7. Russell

8. Hakeem
9. Duncan
10. Wilt

[SpaceJam]

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Lebron
5. Russell
6. Duncan
7. Wilt
8. Bird
9. Shaq
10. Kobe

[Pointguard]

1 MJ
2 Magic
3 Kareem
4 Wilt
5 Russ
6 Lebron
7 Duncan
8 Shaq
9 Bird
10 Hakeem

[andgar923]

1. Russel
2. Duncan
3. MJ
4. Wilt
5. Kareem
6. Shaq
7. Hakeem
8. Magic
9. Bird
10. Kobe

My list, but i also included things like defense and leadership and working with what was given to you

Mods

[andgar923]

MJ
Kareem
Lebron


J/k



MJ
Kareem
Russell
Wilt
Bird
Shaq
Magic
Hakeem
Lebron
Duncan

Bottom 3 are arguable as to their ranking

[pauk]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Magic/Lebron
4. Lebron/Magic
5. Bird/Shaq
6. Shaq/Bird
7. Wilt
8. Russell
9. Duncan
10. Kobe
11. Hakeem
12. Oscar
13. Julius
14. Moses
15-30..... West/Pettit/Cousy/Havlicek/Malone/Baylor/Dirk/Garnett/Barkley/Mikan... Isiah... Barry.... Wade... Pippen...

[Im Still Ballin]

NOTE: Any listing of LeBron outside the top 5 is a clear red flag for no credibility

NOTE: Any listing of Kobe lower than 8 or higher than 12 is a clear red flag for no credibility

NOTE: Any listing of MJ lower than 2 is a clear red flag for no credibility

[jlip]

I don't do individual rankings. I have tiers.

Tier 1- Russell, Kareem, Wilt, MJ
Tier 2- Bird, Magic, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron
Tier 3- Moses Malone, Hakeem, Kobe


I know that is 12 names, but I don't know whom to remove. Also I often vacillate between Wilt and Magic for tier 1, but I'm going with Wilt for today. Lebron is very close to tier 1 also.

[beastee]

NOTE: Any listing of LeBron inside the top 3 is a clear red flag for AGENDA or TROLLING

NOTE: Any listing of Kobe lower than 8 or higher than 12 is a clear red flag for no credibility (Based on ESPNs bias :oldlol)

NOTE: Any listing of MJ lower than 2 is a clear red flag for no credibility TRUTH
Fixed for accuracy.

[andgar923]

NOTE: Any listing of LeBron outside the top 5 is a clear red flag for no credibility


Im still torn on whether Bron is actually a top 5.

He's not better than Bird and it's arguable if he's better than Magic.
Shaq was the most dominant player since Wilt, people are forgetting how dominant Shaq was.

Bron isn't as good as Bird, forget accolades and achievements he simply wasn't.
One can argue over Magic or Bron, there's pros and cons to both. Having said that, as great as Bron's STATS appear, the eye test doesn't lie. Magic controlled the game in ways that Bron simply can't. He moved the ball in ways Bron can't, he was a true floor captain and leader in ways Bron isn't.

Wilt was simply dominant, say what you will about his competition he dominated.

Russell WON and WON and WON, the man didn't know how to lose.

Hakeem was simply one of the most beastly players ever. He could do things defensively that no other player could, all while playing as a guard. He's so skilled and great that Kobe and Bron himself go to him for help in the off season. His skill level is above Bron's, better scorer and defender that's for sure... f*ck stats, this man was better than stats show.

And also, it's not so much that Bron lost, but the way he lost that people knock him for. Others have lost (clearly) and others have underperformed, but not like Bron has.

Bron is an all time great, top 5... meh.... highly debatable. Even if we wanted to base the argument solely on stats and accomplishments there are other players that have a legit argument.

But me eyes don't lie, he's great, an all time great, but there's been others that were just as if not greater.

Go ahead stat nerds, pull out BasketballReference some of us gives no f*cks.

[beastee]

Im still torn on whether Bron is actually a top 5.

He's not better than Bird and it's arguable if he's better than Magic.
Shaq was the most dominant player since Wilt, people are forgetting how dominant Shaq was.

Bron isn't as good as Bird, forget accolades and achievements he simply wasn't.
One can argue over Magic or Bron, there's pros and cons to both. Having said that, as great as Bron's STATS appear, the eye test doesn't lie. Magic controlled the game in ways that Bron simply can't. He moved the ball in ways Bron can't, he was a true floor captain and leader in ways Bron isn't.

Wilt was simply dominant, say what you will about his competition he dominated.

Russell WON and WON and WON, the man didn't know how to lose.

Hakeem was simply one of the most beastly players ever. He could do things defensively that no other player could, all while playing as a guard. He's so skilled and great that Kobe and Bron himself go to him for help in the off season. His skill level is above Bron's, better scorer and defender that's for sure... f*ck stats, this man was better than stats show.

And also, it's not so much that Bron lost, but the way he lost that people knock him for. Others have lost (clearly) and others have underperformed, but not like Bron has.

Bron is an all time great, top 5... meh.... highly debatable. Even if we wanted to base the argument solely on stats and accomplishments there are other players that have a legit argument.

But me eyes don't lie, he's great, an all time great, but there's been others that were just as if not greater.

Go ahead stat nerds, pull out BasketballReference some of us gives no f*cks.

Great post. I think it is absolutely fair to have Bron in the 5-7 range and be in awe of his physical ability. If he wins 1 more Chip, especially beating out that Warriors team, then his is in the 3-5 range for sure... but until that happens you are correct. The eye test is important when you get into top 10 of all time.

IMO MJ and KAJ are untouchable right now...the 3-7 range gets complicated based on preference, STANism and what era you grew up appreciating.

[andgar923]

Great post. I think it is absolutely fair to have Bron in the 5-7 range and be in awe of his physical ability. If he wins 1 more Chip, especially beating out that Warriors team, then his is in the 3-5 range for sure... but until that happens you are correct. The eye test is important when you get into top 10 of all time.

IMO MJ and KAJ are untouchable right now...the 3-7 range gets complicated based on preference, STANism and what era you grew up appreciating.

I honestly don't have an issue if Bron is ranked in the top 5 depending on one's argument.

But like one poster mentioned in this thread, it's about "context" and that is why I rank him below top 5.

[Dragonyeuw]

^ Agree, especially the Hakeem part. In terms of pure 2 way skillset he's one of the best I've ever seen.

I'm not sure where to rank Lebron yet. Alot of this 'he's number 3' narrative started after ESPN's list, which people at the time thought was a joke that Bron was already third best. Some would say this year's title validated that ranking, I don't, but I also think there's not really much separation between Shaq, Duncan, Bird, Magic, and Lebron. To me, he's on that tier. If Hakeem had a little more team success outside of the back to backs I would put him on that tier as well. To me, if we're accepting MJ and Kareem as 1 and 2, between 3 and 8 is very, very close in my books.

The thing is, when people crowned MJ GOAT it wasn't because of 'one' specific thing, it was a combination of skills, individual and team achievements, stats. It's not like people were saying 'oh, if MJ wins his 5th title THEN he's GOAT!' On this board, I see things like 'if Lebron does *this*, then he's number one!' That's not how we crowned MJ, so I'm not sure why Lebron is being judged in this context.

[tpols]

^ Agree, especially the Hakeem part. In terms of pure 2 way skillset he's one of the best I've ever seen.

I'm not sure where to rank Lebron yet. Alot of this 'he's number 3' narrative started after ESPN's list, which people at the time thought was a joke that Bron was already third best. Some would say this year's title validated that ranking, I don't, but I also think there's not really much separation between Shaq, Duncan, Bird, Magic, and Lebron. To me, he's on that tier. If Hakeem had a little more team success outside of the back to backs I would put him on that tier as well. To me, if we're accepting MJ and Kareem as 1 and 2, between 3 and 8 is very, very close in my books.

The thing is, when people crowned MJ GOAT it wasn't because of 'one' specific thing, it was a combination of skills, individual and team achievements, stats. It's not like people were saying 'oh, if MJ wins his 5th title THEN he's GOAT!' On this board, I see things like 'if Lebron does *this*, then he's number on!' That's not how we crowned MJ, so I'm not sure why Lebron is being judged in this context.


yup.. good post.. I remember reading that Jordan got GOAT talks after only his first or second championship.. he had no holes.. where as Bron has a a few that have landed him in situations MJ never fell to.. which is why hes left making up ground now with the ring counting like you said.

same thing happened with Kobe after 2010 tbh.. polls showing him top 3-5 all time, constant fighting with MJ fans on this board between the two.. but as time passed people just accepted reality and he slid back into proper place.

[andgar923]

^ Agree, especially the Hakeem part. In terms of pure 2 way skillset he's one of the best I've ever seen.

I'm not sure where to rank Lebron yet. Alot of this 'he's number 3' narrative started after ESPN's list, which people at the time thought was a joke that Bron was already third best. Some would say this year's title validated that ranking, I don't, but I also think there's not really much separation between Shaq, Duncan, Bird, Magic, and Lebron. To me, he's on that tier. If Hakeem had a little more team success outside of the back to backs I would put him on that tier as well. To me, if we're accepting MJ and Kareem as 1 and 2, between 3 and 8 is very, very close in my books.

The thing is, when people crowned MJ GOAT it wasn't because of 'one' specific thing, it was a combination of skills, individual and team achievements, stats. It's not like people were saying 'oh, if MJ wins his 5th title THEN he's GOAT!' On this board, I see things like 'if Lebron does *this*, then he's number on!' That's not how we crowned MJ, so I'm not sure why Lebron is being judged in this context.

yup

[Lebronxrings]

Jordan
Lebron
Kareem
Magic
Duncan
Shaq
Bird
Russell
Wilt
Hakeem
West
Kobe

[Mr Feeny]

Jordan
Lebron
Kareem
Magic
Duncan
Shaq
Bird
Russell
Wilt
Hakeem
West
Kobe

Good list!

[Uncle Drew]

Jordan
KAJ
Russell
Duncan
Bird
Magic
Shaq
Bron
Wilt
Hakeem

[Im Still Ballin]

You guys can keep denying it but there's no actual realistic argument against LeBron anymore

Accolade wise he hangs with anybody not named Jordan

Statwise he's in a class of himself and Michael

Subjective analysis; He passes better than anyone not named Jordan

The only ones denying LeBron top 5 are old school fans who don't want to believe it yet..

But everything is there in stone... You simply can't put him outside the top 5... He has EVERYTHING on his resume

I'm sorry but it is simple blasphemous to rank LeBron outside the top 5 as it is to not rank Jordan the GOAT... We're at that point now.

Beating a 73 win team coming back from 3-1 down putting up GOAT numbers confirms this

[NBAGOAT]

NOTE: Any listing of LeBron outside the top 5 is a clear red flag for no credibility

NOTE: Any listing of Kobe lower than 8 or higher than 12 is a clear red flag for no credibility

NOTE: Any listing of MJ lower than 2 is a clear red flag for no credibility

the hell this makes no sense. Don't u mean higher than 8 or lower than or more simply Kobe should be in the 8-12 range.

[feyki]

You guys can keep denying it but there's no actual realistic argument against LeBron anymore

Accolade wise he hangs with anybody not named Jordan

Statwise he's in a class of himself and Michael

Subjective analysis; He passes better than anyone not named Jordan

The only ones denying LeBron top 5 are old school fans who don't want to believe it yet..

But everything is there in stone... You simply can't put him outside the top 5... He has EVERYTHING on his resume

I'm sorry but it is simple blasphemous to rank LeBron outside the top 5 as it is to not rank Jordan the GOAT... We're at that point now.

Beating a 73 win team coming back from 3-1 down putting up GOAT numbers confirms this


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[Im Still Ballin]

the hell this makes no sense. Don't u mean higher than 8 or lower than or more simply Kobe should be in the 8-12 range.
8-12 range for Kobe

Yes I see what you mean but this always gets me.. It can be higher or lower depending on how you put it into context

Just semantics/phrasing

[inclinerator]

i only make top 3 lists

jordon
kareem
lebron

[Quickening]

Some posters still have Bird ranked higher than Lebron? :lol :roll:

[Dragonyeuw]

yup.. good post.. I remember reading that Jordan got GOAT talks after only his first or second championship.. he had no holes.. where as Bron has a a few that have landed him in situations MJ never fell to.. which is why hes left making up ground now with the ring counting like you said.

same thing happened with Kobe after 2010 tbh.. polls showing him top 3-5 all time, constant fighting with MJ fans on this board between the two.. but as time passed people just accepted reality and he slid back into proper place.

MJ was even getting 'GOAT' talk whispers back right before he won in 91, at least as an individual talent. In retrospect it seems a bit silly and premature, but that was the kind of buzz he was generating at the time. MJ, as you said, was perceived as having no obvious holes in his game and the narrative of 'he was an average 3point shooter' wasn't there because the 3point shot was in its relative infancy during his prime, so it really wasn't a 'weakness' to be exploited, and he learned how to use it 'when he needed it' as time went on especially in the playoffs. It's not like how certain teams have played Lebron, where his inconsistent mid-range game has actually led teams to specifically give him that shot and make him beat you. You didn't 'give' MJ anything in his prime and hoped to get some strategic edge from it.

Lebron is an interesting case because he's had some of the most incredible highs( 48 points, 27 str8 vs Pistons playoffs 2007, 45-15 vs Celtics 2012 on edge of elimination, the end to 2016 finals) which really clash with lows at the most confusing of times( a spectacular 2011 playoffs then crashed in the finals, mediocre for most of the 2013 finals till the last few games), the PR hit taken from multiple team-hopping during his prime and it leaves you really struggling whether he's as high as 3, as low as 9th, or somewhere in the middle.

Truthfully speaking, we do tend to romanticize some of the moments we grew up watching and forget that Bird lost HCA a few times, Magic crashed and burned in 84, etc etc. In the narrative of where we rank these players, it's getting to the point where their failures, and most importantly how they failed, plays a huge role in how they we rank them as much as counting rings and MVPs.

[Papaya Petee]

1.) Jordan
2.) Kareem
3.) Bill Russell
4.) LeBron
5.) Magic
6.) Shaq
7.) Duncan
8.) Bird
9.) Kobe
10.) Wilt


HM- Hakeem

[Im Still Ballin]

MJ was even getting 'GOAT' talk whispers back right before he won in 91, at least as an individual talent. In retrospect it seems a bit silly and premature, but that was the kind of buzz he was generating at the time. MJ, as you said, was perceived as having no obvious holes in his game and the narrative of 'he was an average 3point shooter' wasn't there because the 3point shot was in its relative infancy during his prime, so it really wasn't a 'weakness' to be exploited, and he learned how to use it 'when he needed it' as time went on especially in the playoffs. It's not like how certain teams have played Lebron, where his inconsistent mid-range game has actually led teams to specifically give him that shot and make him beat you. You didn't 'give' MJ anything in his prime and hoped to get some strategic edge from it.

Lebron is an interesting case because he's had some of the most incredible highs( 48 points, 27 str8 vs Pistons playoffs 2007, 45-15 vs Celtics 2012 on edge of elimination, the end to 2016 finals) which really clash with lows at the most confusing of times( a spectacular 2011 playoffs then crashed in the finals, mediocre for most of the 2013 finals till the last few games), the PR hit taken from multiple team-hopping during his prime and it leaves you really struggling whether he's as high as 3, as low as 9th, or somewhere in the middle.

Truthfully speaking, we do tend to romanticize some of the moments we grew up watching and forget that Bird lost HCA a few times, Magic crashed and burned in 84, etc etc. In the narrative of where we rank these players, it's getting to the point where their failures, and most importantly how they failed, plays a huge role in how they we rank them as much as counting rings and MVPs.
The problem is your inability to objectively analyze the "lows"

Losing in the finals isn't as low as losing in the first round

Fact

[Uncle Drew]

Some posters still have Bird ranked higher than Lebron? :lol :roll:
The impact Bird had on the NBA is far greater than anything LeBron could ever do.

[Dragonyeuw]

The problem is your inability to objectively analyze the "lows"

Losing in the finals isn't as low as losing in the first round

Fact

The very nature of rankings are subjective. If you've convinced yourself that Lebron is 3rd best based on your own arbitrary criteria, then no-one is going to convince you otherwise. The difference is, while I have MJ as GOAT I'm more than willing to entertain arguments that people like Wilt, Russell, Kareem have cases based on the criteria being argued. Narrow-minded posters like you spend your days creating thread after thread 'LEBRON IS TOP 3' as if it's objective fact.

[Fudge]

I see you, ISB!

[Im Still Ballin]

The very nature of rankings are subjective. If you've convinced yourself that Lebron is 3rd best based on your own arbitrary criteria, then no-one is going to convince you otherwise. The difference is, while I have MJ as GOAT I'm more than willing to entertain arguments that people like Wilt, Russell, Kareem have cases based on the criteria being argued. Narrow-minded posters like you spend your days creating thread after thread 'LEBRON IS TOP 3' as if it's objective fact.
You can believe Jesus could bench 405

Doesn't mean your opinion is credible

You can believe Kobe is the GOAT

Doesn't mean your opinion is credible

This thread is about a systemic review/Meta analysis of CREDIBLE InsideHoops posters... Based on their GOAT rankings, and their accuracy determined by consensus and the data available

[Dragonyeuw]

You can believe Jesus could bench 405

Doesn't mean your opinion is credible

You can believe Kobe is the GOAT

Doesn't mean your opinion is credible

This thread is about a systemic review/Meta analysis of CREDIBLE InsideHoops posters... Based on their GOAT rankings, and their accuracy determined by consensus and the data available

The irony of a thread of the most credible posters, made by one of the least credible.

Where's the meta analysis? The first page was littered with rankings without any argument or context behind the rankings. I can take 10 names, throw them in the air, and be as 'credible' as the lists here based on how they land.

ISH doesn't worry about credibility, so timewasters like you exist and thrive to create BS like this:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415771

Go realGM, or somewhere else not littered with trolling alts....see how long you last.

[Mr Feeny]

The irony of a thread of the most credible posters, made by one of the least credible.

Where's the meta analysis? The first page was littered with rankings without any argument or context behind the rankings. I can take 10 names, throw them in the air, and be as 'credible' as the lists here based on how they land.


He's 10 times more credible than you, you utter tosser :oldlol:

[Im Still Ballin]

The irony of a thread of the most credible posters, made by one of the least credible.

Where's the meta analysis? The first page was littered with rankings without any argument or context behind the rankings. I can take 10 names, throw them in the air, and be as 'credible' as the lists here based on how they land.
I am actually the most credible poster of all time. You can check this thread to see all my works.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406966

I'm looking forward to seeing your work, if there is anything to show

[TheWinningFam]

The irony of a thread of the most credible posters, made by one of the least credible.

Where's the meta analysis? The first page was littered with rankings without any argument or context behind the rankings. I can take 10 names, throw them in the air, and be as 'credible' as the lists here based on how they land.
Part of it has to do with consistency,

If a majority of votes have a certain player in top 5 and then you have a couple of outliers not have him in the top 10, it makes the outliers look less credible.
dis shit is simple :facepalm

[Dragonyeuw]

He's 10 times more credible than you, you utter tosser :oldlol:

Oh look, this butthurt fakkit again. Looking to waste more time because you can?

[Quickening]

The impact Bird had on the NBA is far greater than anything LeBron could ever do.

Yes I am talking about them as basketball players, not picking the token white guy

[Dragonyeuw]

Part of it has to do with consistency,

If a majority of votes have a certain player in top 5 and then you have a couple of outliers not have him in the top 10, it makes the outliers look less credible.
dis shit is simple :facepalm

How many alts you running, Dubeta?

[r0drig0lac]

1- MJ
2- Bill
3- KAJ
4- Wilt
5- Duncan
6- Lebron
7- Bird
8- Shaq
9- Magic
10- Kobe

[feyki]

1- MJ
2- Bill
3- KAJ
4- Wilt
5- Duncan
6- Lebron
7- Bird
8- Shaq
9- Magic
10- Kobe

Seems solid . But where's Hakeem :confusedshrug: ?

[Mr Feeny]

Oh look, this butthurt fakkit again. Looking to waste more time because you can?It's my time isn't it? I can do what I want.
OP said he wants credible posters and he doesn't consider you credible. I agree. So what are you doing in his thread

ISB living rent free in y'al heads:biggums:

[Mr Feeny]

I am actually the most credible poster of all time. You can check this thread to see all my works.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406966

I'm looking forward to seeing your work, if there is anything to show

He has no work. This nicca is clueless:coleman:

[Dragonyeuw]

It's my time isn't it? I can do what I want.
OP said he wants credible posters and he doesn't consider you credible. I agree. So what are you doing in his thread

ISB living rent free in y'al heads:biggums:

Of course, and what you do is make yourself look stupid. Most people who say their time is being wasted, make a point to stop doing so. Even now, you'll reply to this post because you simply can't help yourself. This is my last post acknowledging any of your drivel regardless of whatever BS you come back with.

But do continue to slobber over the opportunity to respond to my posts. I live rent-free in your head far more than you in mine, you inconsequential little shit.

[Mr Feeny]

Of course, and what you do is make yourself look stupid. Most people who say their time is being wasted, make a point to stop doing so. Even now, you'll reply to this post because you simply can't help yourself. This is my last post acknowledging any of your drivel regardless of whatever BS you come back with.

But do continue to slobber over the opportunity to respond to my posts. I live rent-free in your head far more than you in mine, you inconsequential little shit.

You failed to answer a simple question. Why are you still in the thread of a man who told you he doesn't consider you credible?

[Naero]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. LeBron James
6. Magic Johnson
7. Larry Bird
8. Tim Duncan
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

Honorable mention (in no enumerated order; I haven't deliberated beyond this): Oscar Robertson, Kobe Bryant, Jerry West, and Moses Malone.

This is always a semantical game in determining the GOAT scale—a GOAT list looks fairly discrepant from a BOAT list, depending on how you stipulate the criteria—so I'll specify my criteria in order of determinants: their on-average team impact (including intangibles—a la Bill Russell's effective coachingship), the actual fruits of their ability in their accomplishments, and longevity.

I honestly don't like really like LeBron, but I'm still an appreciator—as any passionate NBA fan should be for generationally transcendent talents. My NBA-player cap may not always wish for him to succeed, but my GM-thinking cap would want him on my team more than anyone barring the consensual GOAT in Michael Jordan; in that vacuum, his on-the-court ability seriously does rival the Bulls legend's but has never seriously knocked on the door because that ability remained untapped too often early in his career in ways that Jordan's rarely did—a la 2011.

LeBron has clinched his ranking as the second-best perimetric player of all time next to Jordan and—whether or not his accomplishments tally to it in the end or not—he's already proven that he has the second-best prowess of all time next to Jordan. Only longevity and a few more career-defining pieces of hardware are needed to bump him up on the list further and to potentially number two (in my ceiling); and while he has shown promising signs of sustaining his level of play—especially as he'll likely acquiescently conserve his energy for the playoffs as Kyrie Irving continues to blossom—it's too conjectural, and I'd prefer to assess them all for what they've already accomplished.

No matter what the prisoner-of-the-moment sensationalists may narrate, however, it's just too implausible for him to eclipse Jordan himself. If any player is going to surpass the GOAT's near-impeccable career, they better damn have no disgraceful blemishes early on, because Jordan rarely did on an individual level (don't make me go on another disquisition to debunk the 1-9 superficiality). Shaq's premature decline in his early-30s (by GOAT standards) and LeBron's 2011 NBA Finals debacle alone were enough to adjourn the GOAT discussions for many when they looked like serious threats to that throne, and you can conclude early on whether or not many even still have a chance to surpass him because there's no stronger determinant to a player's legacy than their consistency.

In summation: would I prefer LeBron's skillset over Jordan's? Perhaps, but it doesn't mean I'd choose him over Jordan if I was a GM, because it's not just about potential; it's about actualizing that potential, and LeBron will never be comparable to him as it pertains to mental fortitude.

[ArbitraryWater]

The impact Bird had on the NBA is far greater than anything LeBron could ever do.

yea but who cares (plus im not sure thats even true anymore)

this is about who's better at basketball

[ArbitraryWater]

Some of you nerds, still grouping Duncan, Bird, Magic with LeBron... get a grip :oldlol:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The impact Bird had on the NBA is far greater than anything LeBron could ever do.
If this is your standard then you might as well put Allen Iverson over Tim Duncan.

I actually think prime for prime Bird vs anyone is close and arguable. LeBron will probably deserve the nod due to superior health/longevity though.

[Pointguard]

Some of you nerds, still grouping Duncan, Bird, Magic with LeBron... get a grip :oldlol:
With the way you guys overemphasize winning I'm surprised Lebron is ranked this high. 3 rings isn't some great mark and one of the rings had Jesus involved to the max. Duncan and Shaq were definitely contemporaries that were more dominant and won in a bigger way and never had the finals collapse that Lebron had. Dirk beat Lebron manu a manu convincingly. That hurts Lebron bad. Lebron had Ray Allen one year, and weird calamities happen to GS this past year. He might have had only two years where the league had to fear him from beginning to end. The only year he was dominant top man was the year he beat a young confused OKC. Every other year it couldn't have easily went the other way with just one break. Magic had nine years against great teams and he won five of them convincingly. Lebron has his great points to be top ten but he's borderline top five at best.

[Im Still Ballin]

With the way you guys overemphasize winning I'm surprised Lebron is ranked this high. 3 rings isn't some great mark and one of the rings had Jesus involved to the max. Duncan and Shaq were definitely contemporaries that were more dominant and won in a bigger way and never had the finals collapse that Lebron had. Dirk beat Lebron manu a manu convincingly. That hurts Lebron bad. Lebron had Ray Allen one year, and weird calamities happen to GS this past year. He might have had only two years where the league had to fear him from beginning to end. The only year he was dominant top man was the year he beat a young confused OKC. Every other year it couldn't have easily went the other way with just one break. Magic had nine years against great teams and he won five of them convincingly. Lebron has his great points to be top ten but he's borderline top five at best.
Sorry but this post is a load of bullshit

It's clear you have an old school, anti-modern basketball bias... And it's not uncommon. Lots of people underrate present players, and overrate retired ones. Not that any of the names mentioned are bad players by any stretch. Of course not.

1. 2011 isn't worse than MJ losing in the first round over and over again, or Kobe missing the playoffs, or Duncan losing as a first seed in the first round... Yes it's evident he didn't play well, but you don't lose points for making it to the finals... You simply don't get many points for it... But make no mistake, it has much more legacy value than a first, second or third round exit.

2. "The only year he was dominant top man was the year he beat a young confused OKC"
- This is wrong on so many levels. It's not like he has ruled the NBA for the last 5 years... I'll throw you some numbers to jog your memory

3 FMVPs
3 Championships
2 MVPs

LAST 5 FINALS (Average opposition win total of 61)

28.6/10.2/7.4/1.6/0.4 on 47%

25.3/10.9/7.0/2.3/0.9 on 45%

28.2/7.8/4.0/2.0/0.4 on 57%

35.8/13.3/8.8/1.3/0.5 on 40%

29.7/11.3/8.9/2.6/2.3 on 49%

29.52/10.7/7.22/1.96/0.9 on 48%



LAST 3 FINALS (Average opposition win total of 67)

28.2/7.8/4.0/2.0/0.4 on 57%

35.8/13.3/8.8/1.3/0.5 on 40%

29.7/11.3/8.9/2.6/2.3 on 49%

31.2/10.8/7.2/1.96/1.06 on 49%

Though, I'm not sure what your point was here... Moving goal posts on what determines "dominance"... Semantics

I'll give you a fact:

LeBron has faced by far the toughest finals opposition in NBA history

The General Consensus is LeBron is top 5 no questions asked, arguable top 3... All the major media rankings/lists show this, + all the credible posters on InsideHoops GOAT lists

Simply put, it's not credible to have LeBron ranked outside the top 5

[Real14]

1 Mj

2 Kareem

3 Bill Russell

4 Kobe

5 Magic

6 Pop/duncan

7 Shaq

8 Wilt

9 Bird

10 Isiah/hakeem

[TheWinningFam]

1 Mj

2 Kareem

3 Bill Russell

4 Kobe

5 Magic

6 Pop/duncan

7 Shaq

8 Wilt

9 Bird

10 Isiah/hakeem

Kobe ahead of shaq :facepalm or kobe in the top 10 at all for that matter :facepalm

[Real14]

Kobe ahead of shaq :facepalm or kobe in the top 10 at all for that matter :facepalm
All of yall Lebron stans/Kobe haters are either dumb or just mad salty. Most of the all time greats would agree that Kobe should be high on that list.

[colts19]

Greatest players ever. skill level and dominance.
Wilt
Shaq
MJ
Bird
Magic
Big O
KAJ
Hakeem
Lebron
Kobe

Greatest winners of all time.
Bill Russell







MJ
Magic
Kareem

Bird
Kobe
Lebron
Wilt

[hateraid]

I have yet to see an unbiased credible list.

[Pointguard]

1. 2011 isn't worse than MJ losing in the first round over and over again, or Kobe missing the playoffs, or Duncan losing as a first seed in the first round... Yes it's evident he didn't play well, but you don't lose points for making it to the finals... You simply don't get many points for it... But make no mistake, it has much more legacy value than a first, second or third round exit.
What Lebron did in 2011 was not play with his heart and soul which is criminal for a guy in his prime to do. Who else did this on the GOAT list? Guys have bad games but a not trying to win attitude for a whole series is horrible.


2. "The only year he was dominant top man was the year he beat a young confused OKC"
- This is wrong on so many levels. It's not like he has ruled the NBA for the last 5 years... I'll throw you some numbers to jog your memory


Dominant like MJ, Shaq, Russell, Kareem and Magic is very different than Lebron being better than contemporaries. Lebron was great, unquestionably but he wasnt dominant like they were. After he established his greatness he still had three years where his mind state wasn't ready for prime time. A Dwight Howard lead team showed more fortitude than his one year. Every year you knew a Magic Johnson or Russell lead team was contending and mentally ready. 2012 was the only year I felt confident about a Lebron lead team from beginning to end. And hindsight backs me up.




I'll give you a fact:

LeBron has faced by far the toughest finals opposition in NBA history This very problematic. It automatically puts Duncan higher on the totem pole because he was very close to 3-0 him with inferior talent in two of the contest, along with Duncan not being in his prime while Lebron was. But those S.A. teams where never considered great either. Magic got 3 FMVP against 3 all time great teams. Most of the time when Lebron played a great team, the role player or bench player on the opposing team at Lebron's position won Fmvp.



Simply put, it's not credible to have LeBron ranked outside the top 5
Its unfair that Lebron leapfrogs people based on Curry's bad play, Iggy and Bogut getting hurt, along with the mysterious suspension and taming of Draymond Green. I had LeBron top ten GOAT last year but he shouldn't be top five yet.

[Im Still Ballin]

Lol...

All the proof is right in front of you but it's clear you have an old-school bias against LeBron

I could post LeBron's finals averages over the last 5 and 3 years, but you'd ignore it again because you don't care about facts.

Unfortunately for you LeBron is consensus top 5 now... This is the general consensus in the basketball world. But you can have your own opinion...

This does not mean it is credible however

[ArbitraryWater]

With the way you guys overemphasize winning I'm surprised Lebron is ranked this high. 3 rings isn't some great mark and one of the rings had Jesus involved to the max. Duncan and Shaq were definitely contemporaries that were more dominant and won in a bigger way and never had the finals collapse that Lebron had. Dirk beat Lebron manu a manu convincingly. That hurts Lebron bad. Lebron had Ray Allen one year, and weird calamities happen to GS this past year. He might have had only two years where the league had to fear him from beginning to end. The only year he was dominant top man was the year he beat a young confused OKC. Every other year it couldn't have easily went the other way with just one break. Magic had nine years against great teams and he won five of them convincingly. Lebron has his great points to be top ten but he's borderline top five at best.

Nor Shaq or Duncan won in 'a bigger way', considering how they won their last titles.

You only have 2011 to fall back on. Outside of that he absolutely wrecks Duncan/Bird/etc's career.

For the rest, you fall into your biases, 'he had Jesus', thanks, teammate, for hitting a shot? Hell, according to this rambling text of idiocy, beating a 73-win team looks like a negative ('weird calamities') what?

Rest easy mate, spare us the brain cramps.

[scuzzy]

Lol...

All the proof is right in front of you but it's clear you have an old-school bias against LeBron

I could post LeBron's finals averages over the last 5 and 3 years, but you'd ignore it again because you don't care about facts.

Unfortunately for you LeBron is consensus top 5 now... This is the general consensus in the basketball world. But you can have your own opinion...

This does not mean it is credible however

Yep

80-90's fanboy typical unpopular opinions :rolleyes:

"so unique"

Gretzky, Griffey, Bo, Tyson, Phelps, Lebron

General Consensus

Not arbitrary or arguable

[Pointguard]

Lol...

All the proof is right in front of you but it's clear you have an old-school bias against LeBron

None at all. I have a long posting history here. Most people here have a ring argument and Lebron suffers there as well.

I could post LeBron's finals averages over the last 5 and 3 years, but you'd ignore it again because you don't care about facts.
Why would I over exaggerate stats when two offensively inept players guarding him in the last three years won mvp's guarding him. Which means he was ineffective when it mattered most. That isnt happening to other GOATs. Iggy gets hurt and Draymond gets suspended and his aggresion handcuffed, and Lebron gets new life. Coincidence? Maybe.


Unfortunately for you LeBron is consensus top 5 now... This is the general consensus in the basketball world. But you can have your own opinion...

This does not mean it is credible however
I like Lebron and always have. Just that the argument against him is bigger than I have in my top seven. I have him at six but clearly behind Russell.

[ClipperRevival]

[QUOTE=Naero]1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. LeBron James
6. Magic Johnson
7. Larry Bird
8. Tim Duncan
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

Honorable mention (in no enumerated order; I haven't deliberated beyond this): Oscar Robertson, Kobe Bryant, Jerry West, and Moses Malone.

This is always a semantical game in determining the GOAT scale