Reggie Miller > Steph Curry

[catzhernandez]

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[Nilocon165]

Reggie Miller Career Finals: 24.3 PPG on 41 Percent

Stephen Curry Career Finals: 24.1 PPG on 42 Percent


Reggie Highest Scoring Playoffs: 31.5 PPG

Steph Highest Scoring PLayoffs: 28.3 PPG

[OmniStrife]

Stop *********ing and get a job OP

[catzhernandez]

Reggie Miller: 432 career games with more than 4 made threes

Curry: 29 games with more than 4 made threes

Reggie: 31 game winning shots in the final three seconds

Curry: 2 game winning shots in the final three seconds

[stalkerforlife]

Reggie Miller: 432 career games with more than 4 made threes

Curry: 29 games with more than 4 made threes

Reggie: 31 game winning shots in the final three seconds

Curry: 2 game winning shots in the final three seconds

So lying is why you went to prison for so long?

[warriorfan]

Curry's Finals vs Reggie Miller's Finals

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Reggie Miller TS%: 59%
Steph Curry TS%: 59%

[Kblaze8855]

Reggie Miller would quite possibly be the 7th man for the Warriors. 5th best player probably. But hes not starting and he wouldnt be more important than Iggy for many matchups.

[ClipperRevival]

Miller handled the physicality of playoff bball better. Curry can correct that as he has many long, playoff runs left but he's got a rep right now as a guy who can't handle physicality, and rightfully so.

Miller was great from the most basic, fundamental offensive position, the triple threat (quick first step, can drive, 1 and 2 dribble pull up) while Curry has NO game from the TT. And that is the primary reason why Miller was noticeably more effective against playoff physicality. Not to mention a great off ball, catch and shoot game. But Miller was superior to Curry at fighting through picks too. Not to mention, being 3-4 inches taller helped.

In a vacuum, Curry was better but add in playoff bball and physicality into the equation and you can argue Miller was better. His playoff stats, clutch play, etc don't lie.

[ClipperRevival]

Reggie Miller would quite possibly be the 7th man for the Warriors. 5th best player probably. But hes not starting and he wouldnt be more important than Iggy for many matchups.

:oldlol: If they replaced Curry with Miller in the 2016 finals, GSW wins a ring. Curry laid an egg. Some of it not his fault as he is only 6'3", weak and has no physical advantage to be able to impose his will on the game like every other great can. But you can't excuse his bad play simply on that fact alone. Miller seldom laid eggs in the playoffs as "the man."

[Rizko]

Reggie Miller would quite possibly be the 7th man for the Warriors. 5th best player probably. But hes not starting and he wouldnt be more important than Iggy for many matchups.
IDK dude I feel like it's at least a discussion between Reggie and Klay on whose better and more worthy of starting.

I've always felt that Klay was basically the modern Reggie, a lil more explosive f a scorer when hot but a lil more inconsistent over the aggregate. Klay is a lil bit better on D too. I've also kinda felt like the Warriors without Curry this year in the playoffs (the games he actually missed, not the no shows) were like an improved version of Reggie's Pacer teams.

Livingston = Jackson, Klay = Reggie, Iggy = Mckie, Draymond and i guess Barnes lol = Davis Bro's, Bogut = Smits.

Not a perfect comparison, but still a lot of overall similarities.

Overall I agree with your statement tho and your general assessment of Reggie being one of the most overrated players of all time.

Ray Allen >>> Reggie lol. I was never a huge fan of this constant comparison, Ray from 08 on is basically Reggie his whole career, pre-08 tho? Ray was like two tiers above what Reggie could touch in overall basketball abilities.

[Rizko]

:oldlol: If they replaced Curry with Miller in the 2016 finals, GSW wins a ring. Curry laid an egg. Some of it not his fault as he is only 6'3", weak and has no physical advantage to be able to impose his will on the game like every other great can. But you can't excuse his bad play simply on that fact alone. Miller seldom laid eggs in the playoffs as "the man."
If you replace Curry at the start of the season with Reggie tho they probably end up like the 3rd seed and have to beat both the Spurs and the Thunder, decreasing there finals chances a lot.

So, if the point I'm trying to make isnt clear, just because you feel Reggie would've done better in that specific instance doesn't make him better overall then Curry, or a better fit on the team. TBH he'd be really redundant on the team with Klay already there.

Also LOL at big upping Reggie's triple threat game in your other posts. Bruh Reggie was almost strictly an off-ball screen player. He could get one or two buckets in a game outta the triple threat on alright efficiency, but he's not "great" at it, like say Paul Pierce whose triple threat game was his bread and butter, more like passable considering how good off the ball he was.

[jstern]

Miller was very fundamentally sound. I think his play was better than his stats. I mean there's something to be said for a player that took his teams deep into the playoffs so many times as the man. It's like Tim Duncan, if you go on YouTube many young fans are outraged that so many sports people have him in the top ten list, because they really can't notice what made him so great.

Then you add the spacing, less physicality of this era, then Golden State probably would have won if you replaced Curry with Miller in the Finals. (Cant just plug a player into a team, but you know what I mean.)

[ClipperRevival]

If you replace Curry at the start of the season with Reggie tho they probably end up like the 3rd seed and have to beat both the Spurs and the Thunder, decreasing there finals chances a lot.

So, if the point I'm trying to make isnt clear, just because you feel Reggie would've done better in that specific instance doesn't make him better overall then Curry, or a better fit on the team. TBH he'd be really redundant on the team with Klay already there.

Also LOL at big upping Reggie's triple threat game in your other posts. Bruh Reggie was almost strictly an off-ball screen player. He could get one or two buckets in a game outta the triple threat on alright efficiency, but he's not "great" at it, like say Paul Pierce whose triple threat game was his bread and butter, more like passable considering how good off the ball he was.

Ok, "great" might be too strong a word but the fact is, Miller did score consistently from the TT position. He did have a good first step and had the 1 and 2 dribble pull up. Basic as it gets but crucial in the more physical game of playoff bball. Fighting through picks are tougher so you need to find other ways to score. Curry's game is too reliant on having space to operate. In the playoffs, Ds tighten up and players just aren't given the same freedom to operate offensively so you need other ways to score.

And I would disagree that Miller was overrated. The eye test confirms the dude was a natural leader, who gave his teammates confidence, played in like 6 ECF as "the man" and was clutch as hell.

[Rizko]

Ok, "great" might be too strong a word but the fact is, Miller did score consistently from the TT position. He did have a good first step and had the 1 and 2 dribble pull up. Basic as it gets but crucial in the more physical game of playoff bball. Fighting through picks are tougher so you need to find other ways to score. Curry's game is too reliant on having space to operate. In the playoffs, Ds tighten up and players just aren't given the same freedom to operate offensively so you need other ways to score.

And I would disagree that Miller was overrated. The eye test confirms the dude was a natural leader, who gave his teammates confidence, played in like 6 ECF as "the man" and was clutch as hell.
I agree with your opinions of the importance of the triple threat game overall. IMO it's the ultimate skill to have on offense, the skill that helps differentiate between superstar wing players and the rest of the pack, and if your master it you'll always have a place in the league.

Also completely agree with what you say about Curry. My biggest pet peeve about him.

Just disagree with how good Reggie was at the triple threat and disagree with your reasoning for why Reggie isn't overrated. In fact it's the very reason why I think he is.

I don't care about whose "the man" (and I know Larry Brown even called McKie the leader on the team at one point). I don't care how many ECF or finals you play in (win or lose). All I care about are the tangible skills I see a player display on the court. His game essentially. And as far as basketball skill goes Reggie was basically Boston Celtics Ray Allen or current Klay, both good players, but not top 50, or really even top 100 all time IMO (Ray Allen is in my top 100 due to his Buck's and Sonics years).

Like all that matters to me is what style of basketball you play, how good you are at it, how important are your on-court basketball skills are to winning in general, and how long you can sustain it. Because of longevity and the fact he filled his role perfectly, if I were to make it, I would probably end up having Reggie in my top 100, but just Reggie playing his best compared to every other legend playing there best? Reggie ranks right near the bottom on that list IMO.

[ClipperRevival]

I agree with your opinions of the importance of the triple threat game overall. IMO it's the ultimate skill to have on offense, the skill that helps differentiate between superstar wing players and the rest of the pack, and if your master it you'll always have a place in the league.

Also completely agree with what you say about Curry. My biggest pet peeve about him.

Just disagree with how good Reggie was at the triple threat and disagree with your reasoning for why Reggie isn't overrated. In fact it's the very reason why I think he is.

I don't care about whose "the man" (and I know Larry Brown even called McKie the leader on the team at one point). I don't care how many ECF or finals you play in (win or lose). All I care about are the tangible skills I see a player display on the court. His game essentially. And as far as basketball skill goes Reggie was basically Boston Celtics Ray Allen or current Klay, both good players, but not top 50, or really even top 100 all time IMO (Ray Allen is in my top 100 due to his Buck's and Sonics years).

Like all that matters to me is what style of basketball you play, how good you are at it, how important are your on-court basketball skills are to winning in general, and how long you can sustain it. Because of longevity and the fact he filled his role perfectly, if I were to make it, I would probably end up having Reggie in my top 100, but just Reggie playing his best compared to every other legend playing there best? Reggie ranks right near the bottom on that list IMO.

Disagree about Miller. He was the only constant in those Indiana teams from all those years. That was't coincidence. Some guys are just natural leaders who guys follow and I think Miller was one of them. The game isn't played by robots. You need good leaders to win imo. Miller was leading teams deep into the playoffs well into his late 30's. That carries weight to me. Winning carries weight (I know he didn't win a ring). Clutch matters to me so does leadership qualities. He passed my eye test. He wasn't afriad of the moment. Many guys are, he wasn't.

[Rizko]

Disagree about Miller. He was the only constant in those Indiana teams from all those years. That was't coincidence. Some guys are just natural leaders who guys follow and I think Miller was one of them. The game isn't played by robots. You need good leaders to win imo. Miller was leading teams deep into the playoffs well into his late 30's. That carries weight to me. Winning carries weight (I know he didn't win a ring). Clutch matters to me so does leadership qualities. He passed my eye test. He wasn't afriad of the moment. Many guys are, he wasn't.
Being a good leader doesn't make you a good basketball player. It just makes you a good leader. It's not a basketball specific skill so I dont rate it as such. And like I said I know for a fact in one of these debates that Kblaze produced a quote where Larry Brown, the actual coach of the team, called McKie the leader of the team, so it's arguable whether Miller was really even the leader on some of those teams or not.

I give you he wasn't afraid of the moment too, but again that's not a basketball specific skill. It does help your team win more, but I rate on basketball skill, and that alone. Anything opens you up to paradoxes and contradictions.

I mean I don't think Miller's a bum. And I feel like he could be possibly a second and deff a third option on a legit title contender. Basically like Klay now. I mean how high do you have Klay ranked in the current league based off his skill level compared to his peers? And how different do you really think there skill levels are? They're basically at the same level skill wise IMO.

[ClipperRevival]

Being a good leader doesn't make you a good basketball player. It just makes you a good leader. It's not a basketball specific skill so I dont rate it as such. And like I said I know for a fact in one of these debates that Kblaze produced a quote where Larry Brown, the actual coach of the team, called McKie the leader of the team, so it's arguable whether Miller was really even the leader on some of those teams or not.

I give you he wasn't afraid of the moment too, but again that's not a basketball specific skill. It does help your team win more, but I rate on basketball skill, and that alone. Anything opens you up to paradoxes and contradictions.

I mean I don't think Miller's a bum. And I feel like he could be possibly a second and deff a third option on a legit title contender. Basically like Klay now. I mean how high do you have Klay ranked in the current league based off his skill level compared to his peers? And how different do you really think there skill levels are? They're basically at the same level skill wise IMO.

All the intangibles matter to me. And calling McKenzie a leader is akin to P. Jackson calling Fish the leader of the Lakers. It's one thing to lead in the locker room but another to do it on the court.

But to your point, Miller had the burden of being "the man" for all his years. Defenses focused on stopping him first in all those playoff runs. That makes it harder. Klay has never had such attention. Sure, he's done it in stretches but that is different from almost 2 decades of defensive attention. And that matters.

In a vacuum, you can argue both have similar games but Miller is the only one where he PROVED that he can be "the man" and still take his team deep in the playoffs.

[Rizko]

All the intangibles matter to me. And calling McKenzie a leader is akin to P. Jackson calling Fish the leader of the Lakers. It's one thing to lead in the locker room but another to do it on the court.

But to your point, Miller had the burden of being "the man" for all his years. Defenses focused on stopping him first in all those playoff runs. That makes it harder. Klay has never had such attention. Sure, he's done it in stretches but that is different from almost 2 decades of defensive attention. And that matters.

In a vacuum, you can argue both have similar games but Miller is the only one where he PROVED that he can be "the man" and still take his team deep in the playoffs.
Fair enough. Those aren't bad points. I would bring up that in 98 the Bulls put Pippen on Jackson to stymie the Pacers offense before they could really get into it, so at least in that case I feel like Reggie had a teammate that faced more defensive attention them him, but overall? Yea he did face the most.

I mean at this point i feel like we should agree to disagree? Your viewpoint isn't wrong and you lay your arguments out well so I can't exactly disagree with you. I just have a different way I rate players that I kinda feel differs from the norm I guess.

[ClipperRevival]

Fair enough. Those aren't bad points. I would bring up that in 98 the Bulls put Pippen on Jackson to stymie the Pacers offense before they could really get into it, so at least in that case I feel like Reggie had a teammate that faced more defensive attention them him, but overall? Yea he did face the most.

I mean at this point i feel like we should agree to disagree? Your viewpoint isn't wrong and you lay your arguments out well so I can't exactly disagree with you. I just have a different way I rate players that I kinda feel differs from the norm I guess.

Fair enough. I also understood all your points. We just see Miller through slightly different lenses.

[Rizko]

Fair enough. I also understood all your points. We just see Miller through slightly different lenses.
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Your a good dude. Too much of the forum is dumb trolling now. Thats why I've decided to post more. Help level out the trolls a bit.

[ClipperRevival]

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Your a good dude. Too much of the forum is dumb trolling now. Thats why I've decided to post more. Help level out the trolls a bit.


:cheers:

Yup. The trolling has been too epic for my liking since the finals. Makes it less enjoyable to visit this forum.

[plowking]

Miller handled the physicality of playoff bball better. Curry can correct that as he has many long, playoff runs left but he's got a rep right now as a guy who can't handle physicality, and rightfully so.

Miller was great from the most basic, fundamental offensive position, the triple threat (quick first step, can drive, 1 and 2 dribble pull up) while Curry has NO game from the TT. And that is the primary reason why Miller was noticeably more effective against playoff physicality. Not to mention a great off ball, catch and shoot game. But Miller was superior to Curry at fighting through picks too. Not to mention, being 3-4 inches taller helped.

In a vacuum, Curry was better but add in playoff bball and physicality into the equation and you can argue Miller was better. His playoff stats, clutch play, etc don't lie.

The absolute king of stupid posts.

The crown is taken from KiddlovesNets and passed to you.

Un-freaking-believable. Some other kid will probably read it and take it as gospel. Jeff seriously needs to ban stupid people like you.

[raprap]

Reggie is a legend but Steph is a better shooter, shot creator and just his presence on the court trumps Reggie. Steph would've strived in any era.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Not really. Klay is a closer comparison for Reggie.

[hiphopfan777]

Steph Curry has more mvps amd more rings

[andgar923]

People forget that Reggie was one of the best ever off the ball, it's an art that not many people are great at.

But what's truly underrated is Reggie's ability WITH the ball. Ball in hand, Reggie is still deadly because he understands how to read the defender.

True, he may not be flashy or athletic, he doesn't have Curry's handles, but HE DIDN'T NEED THEM. He had exceptional footwork, knew how to get people off balance and take advantage of a player's defensive mistakes. He was simply good at reading the defense and using small shakes, shimmies, jabs and 1-2 dribbles to get shots off.

His post up game was also nice as once again, he knew how to get a shot off based on the player's body/position.

People will rush to highlights and claim "he's taking wide open shots!" well that's the point of being a good player, is getting the easiest shot possible. His shots were a result of his footwork and ability to find spots and set up his shot. He simply didn't stand there and wait for the ball, he lays waiting for his defender's mistake, he put in work and watched his status escalate.

[pauk]

Reggie Miller would quite possibly be the 7th man for the Warriors. 5th best player probably. But hes not starting and he wouldnt be more important than Iggy for many matchups.

Damn didnt know Kblaze is a Reggie a hater? :biggums:

Prime Reggie would start over any Klay Thompson, come on man... can you imagine such a competitive assassin playing with this goat stacked team? Running around screens (which he was the best ever at, even Ray Allen did admit he studied his bag of tricks) with no attention... catching & shooting... no physicallity... no handchecking.... wow...

Better yet can you imagine Klay being in the 80s/90s seat of Reggie? Being a #1 option surrounded with scrubs mostly, max attention, getting hammered by the most physical play, competitiveness & handchecking ever.... he would go into a fetal position... Maybe the same would go for Curry in that seat, with the physical play+handchecking he wouldnt be able to do the things he does at the moment, he could have been like a peak Mark Price and at worst Mahmoud Abdul Rauf... he would still be damn good, but nothing like what you see today... Reggie would be dancing on roses in todays era, he would be on a relaxing vacation....

[stalkerforlife]

Reggie Miller would quite possibly be the 7th man for the Warriors. 5th best player probably. But hes not starting and he wouldnt be more important than Iggy for many matchups.

This has to go in the "dumbest things said on ISH" thread.

Curry's better than Reggie, but this is pathetic trolling by a moderator.

[Overdrive]

Damn didnt know Kblaze is a Reggie a hater? :biggums:

Prime Reggie would start over any Klay Thompson, come on man... can you imagine such a competitive assassin playing with this goat stacked team? Running around screens (which he was the best ever at, even Ray Allen did admit he studied his bag of tricks) with no attention... catching & shooting... no physicallity... no handchecking.... wow...

Better yet can you imagine Klay being in the 80s/90s seat of Reggie? Being a #1 option surrounded with scrubs mostly, max attention, getting hammered by the most physical play, competitiveness & handchecking ever.... he would go into a fetal position... Maybe the same would go for Curry in that seat, with the physical play+handchecking he wouldnt be able to do the things he does at the moment, he could have been like a peak Mark Price and at worst Mahmoud Abdul Rauf... he would still be damn good, but nothing like what you see today... Reggie would be dancing on roses in todays era, he would be on a relaxing vacation....

Your praising for the players you love and bashing of their teammates is so damn annoying. Any of Reggie's teams that made some noise was well rounded. They weren't loaded, but they weren't Reggie & scrubs either.

That said Reggie had that extragear in him for the playoffs that some players simply don't have - some even shift down. That's why I think him being ringless is a bigger shame than Karl Malone.

[Bigsmoke]

Klay > Reggie Miller

[Bigsmoke]

Damn didnt know Kblaze is a Reggie a hater? :biggums:

Prime Reggie would start over any Klay Thompson, come on man... can you imagine such a competitive assassin playing with this goat stacked team? Running around screens (which he was the best ever at, even Ray Allen did admit he studied his bag of tricks) with no attention... catching & shooting... no physicallity... no handchecking.... wow...

Better yet can you imagine Klay being in the 80s/90s seat of Reggie? Being a #1 option surrounded with scrubs mostly, max attention, getting hammered by the most physical play, competitiveness & handchecking ever.... he would go into a fetal position... Maybe the same would go for Curry in that seat, with the physical play+handchecking he wouldnt be able to do the things he does at the moment, he could have been like a peak Mark Price and at worst Mahmoud Abdul Rauf... he would still be damn good, but nothing like what you see today... Reggie would be dancing on roses in todays era, he would be on a relaxing vacation....

Reggie could shoot but so can Klay.

nobody is gonna start Reggie over Klay

[Bigsmoke]

Your praising for the players you love and bashing of their teammates is so damn annoying. Any of Reggie's teams that made some noise was well rounded. They weren't loaded, but they weren't Reggie & scrubs either.

That said Reggie had that extragear in him for the playoffs that some players simply don't have - some even shift down. That's why I think him being ringless is a bigger shame than Karl Malone.

Reggie went on the record and said Rik Smith was the best player on the Pacers before.

[Kblaze8855]

Damn didnt know Kblaze is a Reggie a hater? :biggums:

Prime Reggie would start over any Klay Thompson, come on man... can you imagine such a competitive assassin playing with this goat stacked team? Running around screens (which he was the best ever at, even Ray Allen did admit he studied his bag of tricks) with no attention... catching & shooting... no physicallity... no handchecking.... wow...

Better yet can you imagine Klay being in the 80s/90s seat of Reggie? Being a #1 option surrounded with scrubs mostly, max attention, getting hammered by the most physical play, competitiveness & handchecking ever.... he would go into a fetal position... Maybe the same would go for Curry in that seat, with the physical play+handchecking he wouldnt be able to do the things he does at the moment, he could have been like a peak Mark Price and at worst Mahmoud Abdul Rauf... he would still be damn good, but nothing like what you see today... Reggie would be dancing on roses in todays era, he would be on a relaxing vacation....

Reggies advantage over most is non existent with Klay. Reggie had worse seasons from outside with the line moved in than Klay with the full distance. Reggie scored 22 a game twice in 18 years....both on far more minutes. Klay is a similar shooter, a better athlete, and a far far better defensive player....

Just how it is.

Reggie is a 6th man on the warriors...and depending on the matchup.... a less valuable one than Iggy. If im playing the Cavs Iggy is coming off the bench first. What...im gonna put Reggie on Lebron? Kyrie? I could of course put him on JR and move Klay to the harder matchup....but why? Why give up defense for offense when I have Curry and Klay doing the only thing Reggie does at a higher level?

Id have Reggie come in with Livingston, Iggy, and West to maintain offense while guys rested. He would be perfect in that role.

Klay was out there shooting over 42% from 3 this playoff run....taking 10 threes a game. Reggie only shot 42% in 2 runs his entire career(no....I do not consider a 3 or 4 game series to be a "run") and both were with the line moved in. And he wasnt taking 10 a game either.

Klay totally negates the only reason to start Reggie over most all star level 2 guards. Once reggie has no real shooting edge....why am I starting him over a better defender exactly? Because his name is Reggie Miller?

Hes not starting over Klay. He damn sure isnt knocking off Durant. So he comes off the bench. And nobody would be outraged. Reggie wasnt even an all star in like 14 seasons. Its hardly benching the unbenchable. better players than Reggie Miller came off the bench on great teams. If John Havlicek, Kevin Mchale, and James Worthy can come off the bench when it makes sense Reggie Miller sure as hell can when his only high level skill is matched by the incumbent...who happens to be a much better defender.

[tpols]

the cavs would seek reggie out just like they seeked curry out and dominate him even more thoroughly ..