Putin warns against American Aggression: Anti missile debacle in Romania

[poido123]

:facepalm


There is only 3 or 4 months til America gets a new president.


Obama wants this.


Please Putin don't do anything silly and wait it out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqD8lIdIMRo

[Dresta]

I seriously don't get the fanatical hatred that many seem to have for Russia. NATO expansion up to the borders of Russia has been madness from the start, and that idiocy started with Clinton (and has been continued by every President since). There is not much to be gained from doing so, and everything to be lost/destroyed.

The same people who still think Russia is a global threat, and who are intent on marginalising it, would be lock in step with the "conservatives" who lambasted Reagan for treating Gorbachev like a human being in charge of a country full of other human beings and not perpetual enemies. Russia cannot be got rid of, and Putin is no worse than any number of people who would take his place if he were got rid of (in fact, there are many worse, far more aggressively nationalist figures prominent in Russian politics right now).

Neocon types just need a big bad to justify the continuation of a war machine that became surplus to requirements when the Soviet Union fell; they are intent on spreading American Empire, and the effects they have wrought have been ruinous, all over the world.

And Hilary Clinton is their preferred candidate, of course.

[poido123]

Exactly.


The huge amount of money spent on military has to be justified, so governments find imaginary bad guys to convince the people its necessary.


Russia has been the scape goat for years after ww2 and America continues to hold this paranoia about the former soviet union and their intentions.


Putin has repeatedly stated his position and his desire for diplomacy. I totally agree on all his points in this statement. America is clearly provoking him and testing his patience at every chance.

[BoutPractice]

Regardless of what you think of Putin personally, he will be the first to tell you that he views the US as a strategic adversary.

A geopolitical game is already in progress (let's call it game number 1), and he's making his own moves. His intent is for Russia to win, and the US to lose.

You can respect your adversary. Doesn't mean you have to join him. Play your part, just as he's playing his (bearing in mind that quitting the game abruptly tends to lead to more chaos and destruction, so it's not an act devoid of consequence at all...).

While the geopolitical game is happening, the US and Russia are in fact partners in another, altogether more important game (let's call it game number 2), which consists in making sure that game number 1 doesn't lead to nuclear annihilation.

So far, Obama and Putin have been decent at playing game 1, but a bit reckless in terms of game 2, although we've seen worse in the past and might yet again in the future (the skill of the player counts). Ultimately though Obama will hand his successor a tense standoff, but not one that is irreversibly spinning out of control, and no major catastrophe will have happened.

[senelcoolidge]

I had a weird dream..the Russians went into Turkey. They took it. Trump was President and was aligned with the Russians.

[Dresta]

Regardless of what you think of Putin personally, he will be the first to tell you that he views the US as a strategic adversary.

A geopolitical game is already in progress (let's call it game number 1), and he's making his own moves. His intent is for Russia to win, and the US to lose.

You can respect your adversary. Doesn't mean you have to join him. Play your part, just as he's playing his (bearing in mind that quitting the game abruptly tends to lead to more chaos and destruction, so it's not an act devoid of consequence at all...).

While the geopolitical game is happening, the US and Russia are in fact partners in another, altogether more important game (let's call it game number 2), which consists in making sure that game number 1 doesn't lead to nuclear annihilation.

So far, Obama and Putin have been decent at playing game 1, but a bit reckless in terms of game 2, although we've seen worse in the past and might yet again in the future (the skill of the player counts). Ultimately though Obama will hand his successor a tense standoff, but not one that is irreversibly spinning out of control, and no major catastrophe will have happened.
This all ignores the plain fact that the American Empire is woefully overextended, and its unwillingness to restrict its ambitions (for projects it no longer has the will or the wealth to complete) is doing a lot of damage to a lot of people. No other country has had the gall to make the entire world a part of its sphere of interest--this is unsustainable, it is tyrannical, and in the end it makes you lots of enemies.

[Godzuki]

oil down again lol...Russia's future is looking bleak as fukk especially when u committed like a 100 billion to military upgrades. Russia is so tied to oil like the arab countries while the US is not, and at some point all of them are going to be hurtin way worse than now in the near future.

hopefully Trump takes advantage of it :bowdown:

[poido123]

I had a weird dream..the Russians went into Turkey. They took it. Trump was President and was aligned with the Russians.


that is my dream also :cheers:



fck Turkey. fck iran and the ayatollah Khomeini