Trump's Russian Play, why its a Stroke of Genius

[JtotheIzzo]

For the record, I think Trump is the worst candidate the US has had in my living memory...

BUT

...I also think he is going to win, he plays too well to the toughies, the righties and the white downtrodden, especially in swing states.

His latest Russia gambit is brilliant.

Trump's alleged association with Putin is loved by his base, who sees the Russian leader as tough and someone not afraid to kill a whole bunch of 'terrorists' (read: Middle Easterners). They love this about Putin, and they want Trump to be similar.

The more the media harps on this with speculative ties, the more it looks like 'Clinton News Network' is just smearing their guy and further proof the 'lamestream' media is not to be trusted.

And when the media is not to be trusted, fact-checking the Donald, and keeping him honest is no longer taken seriously.

ie. the Donald can spout off even more nonsense, all the while being kept less and less in check.

Basically all these smokescreens that the media studies up on only give Trump license to further distort reality in the future,

The Reality TV tactics (I say this not derisively, but factually) will continue to work, with bluster, name calling and being braggadocios the sound bites half the US craves.

Brilliant.

[TheMan]

Most of Trump's supporters are actually weak minded beta males (no coincidence the betas here are Trumpturds).

For some reason, they think this blowhard who never even served in the military is some sort of strongman. These scared betas feel they need an authoritative type strongman to make them feel safe in this scary world, they scurred af.

At least Putin is the real deal, he was a KGB assassin and has wacked political enemies. OTOH, Trump says mean things and said "you're fired" on a shitty reality TV show so I guess that makes him an Alpha in their eyes :rolleyes:

You may be right, he might scare enough gullible betas to snake his way to the POTUS but us anti Trumpturds will never surrender and we will make the Resistance Movement to save America from eating itself under a Trump dictatorship :rockon:

We won't stop until der fuhrer Drumpf ends up hanging upside down a la Mussolini in a public square (with Milena lol) and his supporters either executed, imprisoned or in reeducation camps.

Then we can say we truly saved the Republic. :bowdown:

[Im Still Ballin]

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[Terahite]

What the hell is OP even talking about?

Meltdown :applause:

[~primetime~]

Trump's not going to win, I'd bet anything on it... If he wasn't a 1/3 underdog in Vegas id bet a stack against him. They know Hillary has it wrapped up.

He has the white male vote, and that's pretty much it.

Female vote and all minorities are Clintons



I actually think she's going to completely obliterate him, she'll win every single swing state.

[poido123]

Trump's not going to win, I'd bet anything on it... If he wasn't a 1/3 underdog in Vegas id bet a stack against him. They know Hillary has it wrapped up.

He has the white male vote, and that's pretty much it.

Female vote and all minorities are Clintons



I actually think she's going to completely obliterate him, she'll win every single swing state.



The only way he loses is if Hillary steals the vote like she did to Bernie.


If the polls are saying he is a couple ahead, I'd add another 5-10 points onto that.

[poido123]

Trump's not going to win, I'd bet anything on it... If he wasn't a 1/3 underdog in Vegas id bet a stack against him. They know Hillary has it wrapped up.

He has the white male vote, and that's pretty much it.

Female vote and all minorities are Clintons



I actually think she's going to completely obliterate him, she'll win every single swing state.



The only way he loses is if Hillary steals the vote like she did to Bernie.


If the polls are saying he is a couple ahead, I'd add another 5-10 points onto that.

Nate Silver in particular has been under selling Trump in a big way and the polls are relying on predictable information and not the unpredictable nature of this kind of election.

[TheMan]

The only way he loses is if Hillary steals the vote like she did to Bernie.


If the polls are saying he is a couple ahead, I'd add another 5-10 points onto that.

Nate Silver in particular has been under selling Trump in a big way and the polls are relying on predictable information and not the unpredictable nature of this kind of election.
Oh yeah, because some Australian dude whose never even been to the US knows how to read the American electorate better than numbers guru Nate Silver :rolleyes:

[poido123]

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Oh yeah, because some Australian dude whose never even been to the US knows how to read the American electorate than numbers guru Nate Silver :rolleyes:


You'll see when we get down to the votes. Trump will win easily

[TheMan]

You'll see when we get down to the votes. Trump will win easily
Yes, we shall see :cheers:

[NumberSix]

Trump's not going to win, I'd bet anything on it... If he wasn't a 1/3 underdog in Vegas id bet a stack against him. They know Hillary has it wrapped up.

He has the white male vote, and that's pretty much it.

Female vote and all minorities are Clintons



I actually think she's going to completely obliterate him, she'll win every single swing state.
Minorities don't vote.

[NumberSix]

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Oh yeah, because some Australian dude whose never even been to the US knows how to read the American electorate better than numbers guru Nate Silver :rolleyes:
Not that it matters, but Nate Silver currently has Trump at a 57% chance of winning the election. I'm not sure what that's worth though considering only 2 weeks ago he said Hillary has a 79% chance of winning.

[TheMan]

Not that it matters, but Nate Silver currently has Trump at a 57% chance of winning the election. I'm not sure what that's worth though considering only 2 weeks ago he said Hillary has a 79% chance of winning.
That basically means if the election were held that day, Trump has about 60% chance of winning.

The numbers will fluctuate from here to Nov 8 and he has said that the numbers really start mattering the most in mid to late September until election day.

[NumberSix]

That basically means if the election were held that day, Trump has about 60% chance of winning.

The numbers will fluctuate from here to Nov 8 and he has said that the numbers really start mattering the most in mid to late September until election day.
I think we would all agree that Trump is the underdog. He could win, but Hillary is the favorite.

[LJJ]

The "Russia play" is a complete fabrication of the mainstream media which is (now 100% confirmed to be) in league with the democratic party. All you hear Trump say is that he will respect Putin and Putin will also respect him, that he won't play games with Russia and open a dialog. Along with saying he's never met Putin, never had a conversation with him and doesn't know everything about him. There's nothing in this that can be construed as any kind of "friendship" or "association", but damn it if the corrupt media can't try their hardest.

Hasn't Hillary Clinton gone to Putin and Russia on government business before for talks and a big "let's wipe the slate clean" offering of getting closer? Doesn't the Clinton campaign have ties to corrupt Russian banks? If any candidate has questionable foreign relations it is Hillary. Look at all the foreign powers and influencers supporting and financing her campaign.


I do agree the more corrupt Clinton looks, the more corrupt the system looks, the bigger Trump's chances become. And stuff like this, this Trump loves Putin propaganda, is blatant corruption that many people seem to be catching on to.

[Dresta]

The "Russia play" is a complete fabrication of the mainstream media which is (now 100% confirmed to be) in league with the democratic party. All you hear Trump say is that he will respect Putin and Putin will also respect him, that he won't play games with Russia and open a dialog. Along with saying he's never met Putin, never had a conversation with him and doesn't know everything about him. There's nothing in this that can be construed as any kind of "friendship" or "association", but damn it if the corrupt media can't try their hardest.

Hasn't Hillary Clinton gone to Putin and Russia on government business before for talks and a big "let's wipe the slate clean" offering of getting closer? Doesn't the Clinton campaign have ties to corrupt Russian banks? If any candidate has questionable foreign relations it is Hillary. Look at all the foreign powers and influencers supporting and financing her campaign.


I do agree the more corrupt Clinton looks, the more corrupt the system looks, the bigger Trump's chances become. And stuff like this, this Trump loves Putin propaganda, is blatant corruption that many people seem to be catching on to.
It's also the way they've been portraying it that has been blatant.

A guy goes "hey, Russia, if you're there, we'd like to see the missing emails" and nearly the entire media responds with "Trump asks Russia to hack candidate"--how can anyone fall for this rubbish? That's not what he said and not what he asked for. They also started talking about "national security" threats when Clinton had already claimed that the lost emails were entirely personal. The people who actually buy this nonsense are, quite frankly, indoctrinated saps.

For all those calling Trump stupid, his campaign has been a hell of a lot smarter than Hilary's, which just exposed its shameless neocon allegiances with all this Russia fear-mongering. David Frum could be Hilary's campaign manager at this point.

op gets it wrong largely as well--this move has nothing to do with "strongman" appeal, but with exposing Hilary's duplicity (and the added bonus of bringing to the forefront her ties to neocons and the military-industrial complex). At least one media outlet has deviated from the propaganda line:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/27/the-democrats-just-fell-for-trumps-russian-email-hack-bait-commentary.html

[Nick Young]

Exactly. Trump lead these idiots in to a trap.

The Clinton campaign AND media both unintentionally admitted now that the deleted emails were in fact a matter of national security.

When they do turn up again, and they will, Hillary and the media are both mega ****ed after telling us for so long that "the emails were just about yoga lessons."


The Russia propaganda was so blatant and unified, everyone sees through it and all it does is help Trump's case.

I watched in live on CNN, the press conference of Trump and then the cut away to the CNN panel and all of these little cronies were jumping over eachother to shout about how Trump had just comitted treason.

Anyone else watching live would also see through the shamelessness.


The Russia narrative works on babyboomers who went through the cold war and still fear Russia, but a majority of these people, like the OP, still believe everything TV tells them, and were going to vote Clinton anyways.

Meanwhile, more free publicity.

The media and Clinton fell in to Trump's trap and are giving him more free publicity PLUS they incriminated themselves when the emails turn up again in the future.

They aren't upset at the contents of the leaks, they are upset they got caught. And the people can see through it.


1/10th the money that Hillary spent, 9+ points up in the latest Reuters poll

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UNDER BUDGET AND AHEAD OF SCHEDULE

[TheMan]

Exactly. Trump lead these idiots in to a trap.

The Clinton campaign AND media both unintentionally admitted now that the deleted emails were in fact a matter of national security.

When they do turn up again, and they will, Hillary and the media are both mega ****ed after telling us for so long that "the emails were just about yoga lessons."


The Russia propaganda was so blatant and unified, everyone sees through it and all it does is help Trump's case.

I watched in live on CNN, the press conference of Trump and then the cut away to the CNN panel and all of these little cronies were jumping over eachother to shout about how Trump had just comitted treason.

Anyone else watching live would also see through the shamelessness.


The Russia narrative works on babyboomers who went through the cold war and still fear Russia, but a majority of these people, like the OP, still believe everything TV tells them, and were going to vote Clinton anyways.

Meanwhile, more free publicity.

The media and Clinton fell in to Trump's trap and are giving him more free publicity PLUS they incriminated themselves when the emails turn up again in the future.

They aren't upset at the contents of the leaks, they are upset they got caught. And the people can see through it.


1/10th the money that Hillary spent, 9+ points up in the latest Reuters poll

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UNDER BUDGET AND AHEAD OF SCHEDULE
Hilldawg is in the lead again and as the incoming polls later this week reflect her convention bounce, she'll pull away further :confusedshrug:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Two week avi bet, I say Hillary has a 5 point RCP avg poll lead by next weekend, if she does, you use an "I'm with her" Clinton logo avi, if she doesn't, I'll use a Trump Train logo as my avi...

Bet? Man up or man down :coleman:

[Nick Young]

Hilldawg is in the lead again and as the incoming polls later this week reflect her convention bounce, she'll pull away further :confusedshrug:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Two week avi bet, I say Hillary has a 5 point RCP avg poll lead by next weekend, if she does, you use an "I'm with her" Clinton logo avi, if she doesn't, I'll use a Trump Train logo as my avi...

Bet? Man up or man down :coleman:
I've taken the only bet that matters in these elections and that is the only bet I will take.

Have you?

Did you know that Twitter manipulated the #ImWithHer hashtag to make it the number one trending topic an hour after her speech, despite the fact that only 80 people actually tweeted it?

The country is not following her.

Her only hope now is rigging the polls, or having Donald assassinated.

[west_tip]

This whole Trump is treasonous angle is a hoot when you think back 4 years ago in the Presidential debates when Obama chastised Romney with the quip "the 1980's want their foreign policy back" after Mitt said Russia was the greatest threat facing the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS2a44F5TgM

[TheMan]

I've taken the only bet that matters in these elections and that is the only bet I will take.

Have you?

Did you know that Twitter manipulated the #ImWithHer hashtag to make it the number one trending topic an hour after her speech, despite the fact that only 80 people actually tweeted it?

The country is not following her.

Her only hope now is rigging the polls, or having Donald assassinated.
You're full of it.

Her DNC speech has over a million views on YouTube :confusedshrug:

Let's be honest, most Americans aren't that focused on the Clinton/Trump campaign yet, it's summer, most are out there doing summertime activities, not a lot of people are focused just yet like the more politically astute among us here.

As the campaigns start winding down in the fall, Trump will keep shooting himself in the foot with his idiot mouth and more people will turn away from him.

HE HAS NO CHANCE, ENJOY YOUR LESS THAN ONE HUNDRED DAYS LEFT HERE :cheers:

[Nick Young]

You're full of it.

Her DNC speech has over a million views on YouTube :confusedshrug:

Let's be honest, most Americans aren't that focused on the Clinton/Trump campaign yet, it's summer, most are out there doing summertime activities, not a lot of people are focused just yet like the more politically astute among us here.

As the campaigns start winding down in the fall, Trump will keep shooting himself in the foot with his idiot mouth and more people will turn away from him.

HE HAS NO CHANCE, ENJOY YOUR LESS THAN ONE HUNDRED DAYS LEFT HERE :cheers:
May the best candidate win!

[TheMan]

This whole Trump is treasonous angle is a hoot when you think back 4 years ago in the Presidential debates when Obama chastised Romney with the quip "the 1980's want their foreign policy back" when Mitt said Russia was the greatest threat facing the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS2a44F5TgM
I wouldn't go as far as calling Russia our biggest threat but they have decidedly aligned themselves with Iran and have been hostile to neighboring nations recently :confusedshrug:

That's why Obama imposed economic santions (landgrabbing a part of the Ukraine) on them that have their economy reeling and Putin is desperate to hang on to power through strong arm tactics. They're not our worst enemies but they aren't exactly buddy buddy either.

That's why Putin wants Trump, he basically said the US would let Russia take Estonia if they wanted and that NATO is useless :facepalm

[Nick Young]

That's why Putin wants Trump, he basically said the US would let Russia take Estonia if they wanted and that NATO is useless :facepalm
Do you have a source and direct quote please?

Estonia are paying their share of NATO and more. Trump only has a problem with the NATO nations who aren't paying their share that they agreed to when they signed the treaty. Trump has clarified this multiple times.

[Dresta]

You're full of it.

Her DNC speech has over a million views on YouTube :confusedshrug:

Let's be honest, most Americans aren't that focused on the Clinton/Trump campaign yet, it's summer, most are out there doing summertime activities, not a lot of people are focused just yet like the more politically astute among us here.

As the campaigns start winding down in the fall, Trump will keep shooting himself in the foot with his idiot mouth and more people will turn away from him.

HE HAS NO CHANCE, ENJOY YOUR LESS THAN ONE HUNDRED DAYS LEFT HERE :cheers:
Your phoney confidence reeks of insecurity. People have been saying this rubbish about Trump for about a year now; the truth is, the more the media keep saying he's "shot himself in the foot" the more popular he has become.

I didn't think Trump had a chance at the beginning of the primary campaigns, but some people (like the Dilbert guy--that is, people who don't support Trump themselves) predicted he would win the nomination from the very beginning (and also the Presidency), based on his astute use of the media and persuasion techniques. This has turned out to be true, and Hilary is proving incredibly unlikeable (shocker)--I now think he'll win, but I wouldn't bet on it, and you are foolish to be so certain of the result when the Brexit precedent has already been set (that of the secret, resentful vote of those disgusted with the establishment and the pseudo-morality it forces onto everyone). There are lots of people who say they won't vote for Trump but who will when push comes to shove--this is actually demonstrated by the polling data, where online polls are consistently more favourable to Trump than polls conducted over the phone.

And I will also add, that this kind of joyous and conceited arrogance (that you are displaying right now) of the pro-Hilary crowd is just one of the many things pushing people towards Trump. You seem completely incapable of grasping what this phenomena means and what it says about their discontent (rapidly growing, contrary to the propaganda of Obama). The DNC was an orgy of self-satisfaction and of patting one another on the back and shouting "good job"--well, unfortunately, that sort of thing is only going to alienate all the people who are struggling to make do, and they are legion.

[Dresta]

I wouldn't go as far as calling Russia our biggest threat but they have decidedly aligned themselves with Iran and have been hostile to neighboring nations recently :confusedshrug:

That's why Obama imposed economic santions (landgrabbing a part of the Ukraine) on them that have their economy reeling and Putin is desperate to hang on to power through strong arm tactics. They're not our worst enemies but they aren't exactly buddy buddy either.

That's why Putin wants Trump, he basically said the US would let Russia take Estonia if they wanted and that NATO is useless :facepalm
Don't pretend this is your opinion--it's a verbatim regurgitation of the propaganda of the neocon lobby. There is no evidence that Russia wants anything to do with Estonia---what drivel. If they wanted to take it they could and they would, and the US could do nothing to stop it short of an enormous military conflict, with the potential to turn nuclear. Is Estonia important enough to you to risk nuclear war? Are you genuinely being serious with this rubbish?

Iran and Russia are not our natural enemies, particularly ideologically; Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, is an obviously hostile nation, with whom we are supposedly allies, and which undermines western values and interests on a daily basis (but they buy our weapons, and we are so indebted we do whatever they want); the same is increasingly true of Turkey and most of the other gulf states. Iran is not a threat, and we've been pushing it away for ages with idiotic sanctions; it has one of the most secular and modern populations in that region of the world, by far--it is far closer aligned with this country and its interests than the Saudis and Turks.

When did Democrats become raging neocons?

[Nanners]

Your phoney confidence reeks of insecurity. People have been saying this rubbish about Trump for about a year now; the truth is, the more the media keep saying he's "shot himself in the foot" the more popular he has become.

I didn't think Trump had a chance at the beginning of the primary campaigns, but some people (like the Dilbert guy--that is, people who don't support Trump themselves) predicted he would win the nomination from the very beginning (and also the Presidency), based on his astute use of the media and persuasion techniques. This has turned out to be true, and Hilary is proving incredibly unlikeable (shocker)--I now think he'll win, but I wouldn't bet on it, and you are foolish to be so certain of the result when the Brexit precedent has already been set (that of the secret, resentful vote of those disgusted with the establishment and the pseudo-morality it forces onto everyone). There are lots of people who say they won't vote for Trump but who will when push comes to shove--this is actually demonstrated by the polling data, where online polls are consistently more favourable to Trump than polls conducted over the phone.

And I will also add, that this kind of joyous and conceited arrogance (that you are displaying right now) of the pro-Hilary crowd is just one of the many things pushing people towards Trump. You seem completely incapable of grasping what this phenomena means and what it says about their discontent (rapidly growing, contrary to the propaganda of Obama). The DNC was an orgy of self-satisfaction and of patting one another on the back and shouting "good job"--well, unfortunately, that sort of thing is only going to alienate all the people who are struggling to make do, and they are legion.

this is a really good post.

[FillJackson]

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Your post ignores something, for every outrageous action that brings people to him, he will be driving people away from him as well. Appealing to racism, might win you some downtrodden whites. It will also motivate the groups you attack to come out and vote.

More importantly it will drive away folks who normally vote Republican. College educated white voters and married white woman are going to go towards Hillary. Big loss for the GOP.

This invitation to Russia to commit, T the very least, a crime against an American citizen will drive away others. As will today's attacks on the parents of a heroic American soldier in Iraq

[senelcoolidge]

Trump is a genius. Some call him an evil genius but he knows what he's doing. The dems fell for his trap and he gets the free publicity. He told someone the other day that they will write books on this Presidential campaign.

[poido123]

Do you have a source and direct quote please?

Estonia are paying their share of NATO and more. Trump only has a problem with the NATO nations who aren't paying their share that they agreed to when they signed the treaty. Trump has clarified this multiple times.



TheMan edited his post after you pointed that out. :roll:

[BoutPractice]

Can we stop calling everything Trump does politically "brilliant".

He had great instincts for winning a Republican primary. But that's all that it was - instincts. He was clearly winging it, bluffing his way through the entire process through sheer charisma.

If he were a true political mastermind, he would've tried to reintroduce himself as a "sane, competent person" (to borrow from Mike Bloomberg) by now.

But he hasn't. I honestly think the election is his to lose, but he's stubbornly refused to perform the most basic work expected of a genuine presidential candidate.

Partisan views aside, he just seems completely unhinged as a person... at some point if he wants to convince the "silent majority" he needs to show he can act in a calm and sober way. I'm sure he has it in him somewhere, but he needs to bring it now (at the absolute latest, in the debates) or he's toast.

Think of the quiet Republican voter. He may share some of Trump's ideas, but that doesn't mean he wants to give a crazed megalomaniac nuclear weapons either... Trump needs to convince that guy that he's just pretending to be a crazed megalomaniac.

[poido123]

It's also the way they've been portraying it that has been blatant.

A guy goes "hey, Russia, if you're there, we'd like to see the missing emails" and nearly the entire media responds with "Trump asks Russia to hack candidate"--how can anyone fall for this rubbish? That's not what he said and not what he asked for. They also started talking about "national security" threats when Clinton had already claimed that the lost emails were entirely personal. The people who actually buy this nonsense are, quite frankly, indoctrinated saps.

For all those calling Trump stupid, his campaign has been a hell of a lot smarter than Hilary's, which just exposed its shameless neocon allegiances with all this Russia fear-mongering. David Frum could be Hilary's campaign manager at this point.

op gets it wrong largely as well--this move has nothing to do with "strongman" appeal, but with exposing Hilary's duplicity (and the added bonus of bringing to the forefront her ties to neocons and the military-industrial complex). At least one media outlet has deviated from the propaganda line:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/27/the-democrats-just-fell-for-trumps-russian-email-hack-bait-commentary.html



Clutching at straws.


The democrats are looking for ANYTHING to sink Trump.


They have woken up out of their own arrogance and realised that Trump is a real threat. With wikiLeaks and the email debacle, Hillary is on borrowed time.

[west_tip]

This election is about a lot of things, but I dont really think that whether Trump can appear "calm and sober" is going to be a key factor. I think that the most important factor in this election is whether Hillary can convince the hard left and moderates that she is trustworthy.

The anti-establishment tsunami that is currently sweeping the world has manifested as Bernie Sanders and Trump in this country, and neoliberal establishment politicians like the Clintons of the world are the ones getting buried by this wave.

I think brexit is a good parallel for the US election. In both cases you have one safe option and one scary unknown. In both cases you have the elites with their celebrities and media come together and unanimously cement themselves on one side of the issue, while painting the other side as uneducated redneck racists. In both cases you have a cynical and disillusioned underclass that seems to be refusing to listen to these elites. With brexit, there were many who assumed (like you are now) that the leave campaign could never pull enough votes because they are crazy and had no rational plan, turns out that having a rational plan was never really important.

Approximately 70% of people under the age of 35 think Hillary is untrustworthy. This is unprecedented territory for the democrats, young people are traditionally one of their core voting blocs and the party has thrown its entire weight behind a candidate that young people hate. Millenials have passed the boomers as the largest generation, if they start voting at the same rate as the boomers they will take control of elections in this country. So not only is this distrust from young people an immediate problem in 2016, but if Hillary wins it will likely become even worse for dems in the future. These young people will get older, and more jaded and more cynical with the entire political process. These people know theres no way that Hillary follows through on any of her promises to young people and the far left, and regardless of the fact that nobody believes any of her empty promises to begin with, they will still hold it against her when she reneges on them. These people will remember how hillary and the democrats spoke as if they cared, and then ****ed them.

Excellent post.

[fiddy]

Most of Trump's supporters are actually weak minded beta males (no coincidence the betas here are Trumpturds).

But all males voting for a corrupted criminal granny are alphas, ok. :applause:

[DonDadda59]

From the PPP poll released this weekend:


The Vladimir Putin/Russia issue has the potential to cause Donald Trump a lot of problems in the weeks ahead. Only 7% of Americans view Putin favorably to 69% with a negative opinion and only 14% see Russia as a whole favorably to 52% with a negative view. By a 47 point margin- 5% more likely, 52% less likely- voters say they're less likely to vote for a candidate if it's perceived Russia is interfering in the election to try to help them. And by a 26 point margin- 9% more likely, 35% less likely- they're less likely to vote for a candidate seen as being friendly toward Russia. If Democrats can effectively leverage this issue in the weeks ahead it has the potential to help turn this into a more lopsided race.

Still a stroke of genius (https://youtu.be/y7QaXj-vnek?t=11s) :applause:

[TheMan]

TheMan edited his post after you pointed that out. :roll:
No I didn't :confusedshrug:

When I edit is to fix grammatical errors or add aomething to my post, my original post is still up.

You're paranoid. :lol

[TheMan]

But all males voting for a corrupted criminal granny are alphas, ok. :applause:
Where did I ever said that? :confusedshrug:

Calling the party's standard bearer alpha is not coming from the Dems, it's Trump supporters.

I'm a Bernie supporter but I will support Hillary over an unhinged megalomaniac.

Keep up.

[SexSymbol]

For the record, I think Trump is the worst candidate the US has had in my living memory...

BUT

...I also think he is going to win, he plays too well to the toughies, the righties and the white downtrodden, especially in swing states.

His latest Russia gambit is brilliant.

Trump's alleged association with Putin is loved by his base, who sees the Russian leader as tough and someone not afraid to kill a whole bunch of 'terrorists' (read: Middle Easterners). They love this about Putin, and they want Trump to be similar.

The more the media harps on this with speculative ties, the more it looks like 'Clinton News Network' is just smearing their guy and further proof the 'lamestream' media is not to be trusted.

And when the media is not to be trusted, fact-checking the Donald, and keeping him honest is no longer taken seriously.

ie. the Donald can spout off even more nonsense, all the while being kept less and less in check.

Basically all these smokescreens that the media studies up on only give Trump license to further distort reality in the future,

The Reality TV tactics (I say this not derisively, but factually) will continue to work, with bluster, name calling and being braggadocios the sound bites half the US craves.

Brilliant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCabT_O0YSM

[Vragrant]

For the record, I think Trump is the worst candidate the US has had in my living memory...

BUT

...I also think he is going to win, he plays too well to the toughies, the righties and the white downtrodden, especially in swing states.

His latest Russia gambit is brilliant.

Trump's alleged association with Putin is loved by his base, who sees the Russian leader as tough and someone not afraid to kill a whole bunch of 'terrorists' (read: Middle Easterners). They love this about Putin, and they want Trump to be similar.

The more the media harps on this with speculative ties, the more it looks like 'Clinton News Network' is just smearing their guy and further proof the 'lamestream' media is not to be trusted.

And when the media is not to be trusted, fact-checking the Donald, and keeping him honest is no longer taken seriously.

ie. the Donald can spout off even more nonsense, all the while being kept less and less in check.

Basically all these smokescreens that the media studies up on only give Trump license to further distort reality in the future,

The Reality TV tactics (I say this not derisively, but factually) will continue to work, with bluster, name calling and being braggadocios the sound bites half the US craves.

Brilliant.

I think you're giving him too much credit. Trump is not a thoughtful, rational person. There nothing logical to his thought process. He is stream of consciousness incarnate, and anything that remotely resembles anything genius is purely co incidental.

I think if he was to do anything genius it would be a tactic that would ingratiate himself to the middle. This doesn't achieve that. Like you said this just helps his base.

It doesn't matter though. Trump supporters will back him regardless no matter what he does. He once said he could shoot someone in broad daylight and still garner support. I used to brush that off as hyperbole, however I actually believe that now.

[9erempiree]

I think you're giving him too much credit. Trump is not a thoughtful, rational person. There nothing logical to his thought process. He is stream of consciousness incarnate, and anything that remotely resembles anything genius is purely co incidental.

I think if he was to do anything genius it would be a tactic that would ingratiate himself to the middle. This doesn't achieve that. Like you said this just helps his base.

It doesn't matter though. Trump supporters will back him regardless no matter what he does. He once said he could shoot someone in broad daylight and still garner support. I used to brush that off as hyperbole, however I actually believe that now.

Looks like an intelligent person to me. They called him up for his opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw

:confusedshrug:

Trump at the Scottish Parliament

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzoqTiTimPA

[Nick Young]

Where did I ever said that? :confusedshrug:

Calling the party's standard bearer alpha is not coming from the Dems, it's Trump supporters.

I'm a Bernie supporter but I will support Hillary over an unhinged megalomaniac.

Keep up.
Of the two candidates left in the race, Hillary Rodham Clinton is the only unhinged megalomaniac.

Trump said mean words that hurt your fee fees. Get over it. The Democrats see you and all hispanics as nothing more than a taco bowl and easily manipulated blue voter. Have you not read the emails where they talk about how easy it is to get more tacobowl voters? If that's the party you wish to support, go for it.

[fiddy]

Where did I ever said that? :confusedshrug:

Calling the party's standard bearer alpha is not coming from the Dems, it's Trump supporters.

I'm a Bernie supporter but I will support Hillary over an unhinged megalomaniac.

Keep up.
Humiliating, a Bernie supporter submissive to the Granny. Anyway, wrong answer, if there was any true citizens society in the US, you'd go out and protest against the nominations of Trump and Shillary. Both are obviously not worthy.

[rufuspaul]

she'll win every single swing state.


I don't think she'll win North Carolina. The metro areas (Charlotte, RDU, Wilmington, Asheville) will go for Hillary but the rest of the state is solidly Trump.

[Dresta]

I think you're giving him too much credit. Trump is not a thoughtful, rational person. There nothing logical to his thought process. He is stream of consciousness incarnate, and anything that remotely resembles anything genius is purely co incidental.

I think if he was to do anything genius it would be a tactic that would ingratiate himself to the middle. This doesn't achieve that. Like you said this just helps his base.

It doesn't matter though. Trump supporters will back him regardless no matter what he does. He once said he could shoot someone in broad daylight and still garner support. I used to brush that off as hyperbole, however I actually believe that now.
Thinking that people who don't agree with your interpretation of things are irrational is the height of irrationality. Pretty much every human being rationalises their behaviour through processes of thought; not even being able to comprehend the other person's position, is a sign of the faultiness of your own thinking, and not of anyone else's. Hilary Clinton hasn't held a press conference in god-knows how long, and simply never goes off script like Trump does (part of his appeal, btw):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/21/hillary-clinton-hit-a-milestone-today-and-it-wasnt-a-good-one/

That you think you're presenting an objective and wholly rational interpretation of things here is the height of hilarity: you've effectively generalised all Trump supporters as irrational and inflexible people, an attestation that is provably false, based on changes in polling numbers. What is this but fanaticism, bigotry and intolerance?

If you can't see that there are ideologically inflexible people on both sides of this debate, it just goes to show how silly and ideological you are. You won't hide your own inflexibility by declaring everyone who disagrees with you to have unchangeable opinions--that is cheap, and it is also profoundly stupid.

[Nick Young]

TheMan has willingly become a drone for the party that calls him a taco bowl.

[URL="http://newsninja2012.com/dnc-email-leaks-show-racist-outreach-to-latinos-called-taco-bowl-engagement/"]DNC Email Leaks Show Racist Outreach to Latinos Called

[DonDadda59]

Genius..


And just as foreign policy has come to the forefront of the campaign, Clinton has widened her edge over Trump as more trusted to handle foreign policy (59% Clinton to 36% Trump, up from a 5-point split following the GOP convention) and has pulled even with Trump on handling terrorism (48% each -- Trump was +11 after the GOP convention) and ISIS (48% Clinton to 47% Trump -- was a 13-point Trump lead after the GOP convention).

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/politics/presidential-polls-trump-vs-clinton/

http://i67.tinypic.com/55jkwm.jpg

[fiddy]

Genius..


And just as foreign policy has come to the forefront of the campaign, Clinton has widened her edge over Trump as more trusted to handle foreign policy (59% Clinton to 36% Trump, up from a 5-point split following the GOP convention) and has pulled even with Trump on handling terrorism (48% each -- Trump was +11 after the GOP convention) and ISIS (48% Clinton to 47% Trump -- was a 13-point Trump lead after the GOP convention).

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/politics/presidential-polls-trump-vs-clinton/

http://i67.tinypic.com/55jkwm.jpg


Americans are beyond retarded :roll: :roll:

"as more trusted to handle foreign policy"

Holy shit

[~primetime~]

Trump: 'I'm afraid the election's going to be rigged' (http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/donald-trump-election-2016-rigged/index.html)

didnt see that coming


He's basically already admitting defeat...

[Facepalm]

Genius..


And just as foreign policy has come to the forefront of the campaign, Clinton has widened her edge over Trump as more trusted to handle foreign policy (59% Clinton to 36% Trump, up from a 5-point split following the GOP convention) and has pulled even with Trump on handling terrorism (48% each -- Trump was +11 after the GOP convention) and ISIS (48% Clinton to 47% Trump -- was a 13-point Trump lead after the GOP convention).

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/politics/presidential-polls-trump-vs-clinton/

http://i67.tinypic.com/55jkwm.jpg

but but his Russian strategy was a STROKE OF GENIUS!!! PUTIN IS ALPHA AND SO IS TRUMP!!!!

[NumberSix]

Trump: 'I'm afraid the election's going to be rigged' (http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/donald-trump-election-2016-rigged/index.html)

didnt see that coming


He's basically already admitting defeat...

Lol. Hillary literally JUST rigged an election against Bernie Sanders. :hammerhead:

[Nick Young]

Trump: 'I'm afraid the election's going to be rigged' (http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/donald-trump-election-2016-rigged/index.html)

didnt see that coming


He's basically already admitting defeat...
It has already proven to be rigged against Sanders. (http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/16/clinton-does-best-where-voting-machines-flunk-hacking-tests-hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders-election-fraud-allegations/)




Election Justice USA finds that Bernie Sanders lost an estimated 184 delegates to Election Fraud (http://usapoliticsnow.com/?p=4058)