France likely to ban foreign funding of mosques after Normandy and Nice attacks

[Long Duck Dong]

Http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-isis-attacks-ban-foreign-financing-mosques-as-prime-minister-warns-of-more-terror-attacks-a7161561.html

I think this a good idea. After it was discovered the developers for Ground Zero mosque lied about using foreign funds, even more pressure was put against it being built.

Do you think the US should adopt similar measures, as well as banning straight adult males from Islamic countries from entering the US like Canada does?

In related news, two Islamic terrorists were arrested in Belgium today before they could carry out their bombing plot.

[Im Still Ballin]

That would be a level of discrimination not fit for a country like France. I'd wager against that action. Moderate Islam does exist! We cannot blame all these things on all of them, they are deranged lone wolves... No association!

[Bourne]

Http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-isis-attacks-ban-foreign-financing-mosques-as-prime-minister-warns-of-more-terror-attacks-a7161561.html

I think this a good idea. After it was discovered the developers for Ground Zero mosque lied about using foreign funds, even more pressure was put against it being built.

Do you think the US should adopt similar measures, as well as banning straight adult males from Islamic countries from entering the US like Canada does?

In related news, two Islamic terrorists were arrested in Belgium today before they could carry out their bombing plot.

Source for the bold?

[Dresta]

Only about 20 years late...

That European countries have allowed rich Saudi scumbags to build mosques in their countries (for decades) for the purpose of spreading their toxic Wahhabi ideology is a disgrace.

[Nick Young]

Sauve-nous Madame Le Pen!

[Patrick Chewing]

Finally some good news out of France.

[knickballer]

I really don't see the point as foreigners can just transfer some money to an entity or person that is a local/citizen of France who can just fund the mosques. They'll just find a middle man :confusedshrug:

[Akrazotile]

"I hate religion" liberals bout to flip a shit over 'Islamaphobia' :lol

[Akrazotile]

I really don't see the point as foreigners can just transfer some money to an entity or person that is a local/citizen of France who can just fund the mosques. They'll just find a middle man :confusedshrug:


Well you could probably audit whomever in France is responsible for the funding and see if they recently received a large cash deposit from a foreign middle eastern entity.

Also it creates more risk for the overseas funders, bc they have to just stick a millin bucks in some other guy's bank account and hope he builds the mosque wth it. If he doesnt, theres really nothing you can do.


It may not be fool proof but it cant hurt. It's at least something.

[senelcoolidge]

This is great news. Start small and build from there to get that rubbish out of Europe.

Germans are begging to resist Merkel.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3715877/Thousands-German-protesters-prepare-streets-Merkel-demonstration-against-Premier-s-immigration-policies-say-caused-terror-attacks.html

[tomtucker]

Only about 20 years late...

That European countries have allowed rich Saudi scumbags to build mosques in their countries (for decades) for the purpose of spreading their toxic Wahhabi ideology is a disgrace.
exactly, but the fukking idiots did not listen to common sense

[StephHamann]

exactly, but the fukking idiots did not listen to common sense

Common sense is the worst enemy of liberal migration policy.

[LJJ]

I really don't see the point as foreigners can just transfer some money to an entity or person that is a local/citizen of France who can just fund the mosques. They'll just find a middle man :confusedshrug:

So... You can audit where funds come from. They can try to money launder their way towards these goals but that's a pretty hefty barrier compared to what it is now.



In a way it's quite disgusting this is what they call "charity" in many poor Muslim countries. Building mosques in rich non-Muslim countries is seen as better charity than taking care of poor people and developing their own country. Priorities all out of whack, but hey, that's ass backward religion for ya.

[Dresta]

This Merkel woman is a real sociopathic bitch. She's responded to the attacks, the rapes, sexual violence and other criminal acts by doubling down on bringing in MORE "refugees." She has no democratic mandate for what she is doing, and has single-handedly undermined the security and safety of many citizens of her country. She ought to be in prison for what she's done.

The woman got elected saying the following:


This multicultural approach, saying that we simply live side by side and live happily with each other has failed. Utterly failed."; "We feel bound to the Christian image of humanity - that is what defines us. Those who do not accept this are in the wrong place here."; "As politicians we have to react to the fact that many people do not feel that they can relate to the EU."; "At the beginning of the 60's our country called the foreign workers to come to Germany and now they live in our country. We kidded ourselves a while, we said: 'They won't stay, sometime they will be gone.' But this isn't reality."



What she's done is f*cking sick.

[knickballer]

This Merkel woman is a real sociopathic bitch. She's responded to the attacks, the rapes, sexual violence and other criminal acts by doubling down on bringing in MORE "refugees." She has no democratic mandate for what she is doing, and has single-handedly undermined the security and safety of many citizens of her country. She ought to be in prison for what she's done.

The woman got elected saying the following:



What she's done is f*cking sick.

This seems to be a general trend among politicians in the West in attempts to control the population. If you don't accept all these early 20 male refugees you're a racist! If you dare to speak up about a crime or situation that the establishment doesn't support you're a racist and a bigot! It's truly an Orwellian nightmare and I'm afraid it's getting worst and worst.

It's the same happening in US politics. Hillary is promoting herself as this humanist, anti-facist, fighting against the banks, speaking about how trump uses fear to control people. But if you read the DNC's emails you know they openly rigged the election to have Hilary win. And no one seems to care! Then people look at you crazy if you dare to say the president is selected and not elected.

Many of these western leaders like Merkel and Hilary potray themselves as humanists but they're the biggest frauds of them all. They don't care about anything but power. And if you don't support them you're a racist misogynist apparently.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

They blaspheme against Allah.

But they will not prevail.

Allahu Ackbar

[west_tip]

And no one seems to care! Then people look at you crazy if you dare to say the president is selected and not elected.

If anything has been proven in this election season its this. Clinton's path to the nomination has been treated by the DNC as more of a succession or coronation than as a rigorous, open and democratic process as witnessed by the fact that not one bona fide Democrat (Bernie was only nominally a Democrat) actually ran against her. That in itself wouldn't be quite so problematic if there were a plethora of political parties who were nationally relevant and who had a legitimate chance of getting someone elected into the White House but as we know there exists a duopoly in American politics.

Whether establishment backed Hillary wins or not I am hopeful that the libertarians and the greens will break records for 3rd and 4th party votes in this falls election. Couple that with the rising trend of people identifying as independents and the impact Sanders and Trump have had as outsiders I am confident that we will eventually be able to break the stranglehold that the Democrats and Republicans have on our system of government.

[BoutPractice]

This policy actually makes some level of sense, although it should be much more targeted... you only really want to ban funding for Wahhabi/Salafi mosques, so Saudi funding essentially.

If say, reasonable Gulenists, or Sufi patrons wanted to build mosques in France, I wouldn't stop them.

In fact, I think to some extent and on a case by case basis, more foreign funding of mosques, but from different sources, could be part of the solution against radical Islamism. The ideological battle going on is primarily intra-Islamic... Salafism needs a serious Muslim competitor on the international scene. So far they've benefitted immensely from being the only game in town in certain areas.

If another branch of Islam more compatible with the Western way of life wants to build another mosque right next to the Salafi one, I say let them. Let's open up competition, just like you would with a business monopoly.

The non-crazies need to have the most beautiful, attractive mosques, that everyone would want to go to.

[Blue&Orange]

This Merkel woman is a real sociopathic bitch. She's responded to the attacks, the rapes, sexual violence and other criminal acts by doubling down on bringing in MORE "refugees." She has no democratic mandate for what she is doing, and has single-handedly undermined the security and safety of many citizens of her country. She ought to be in prison for what she's done.

The woman got elected saying the following:



What she's done is f*cking sick.
People say there's no limit to stupidity and it's true, but what fascinates me it's that is no limit to how many times stupidity amazes people.

After all this time of reading the low IQ retard trash that you write, i'm found myself still amazed at how dumb you are.

And yes the problem was the construction of mosques no the radicalization of islam sponsored by the US.


Idiots like you should be round up and taken to gas chambers. You are a waste of every possible resource, and a nuisance.

[iamgine]

Why do Merkel/other leaders want more refugees though? What purpose does it serve for her/her associates?

[Blue&Orange]

This seems to be a general trend among politicians in the West in attempts to control the population. If you don't accept all these early 20 male refugees you're a racist! If you dare to speak up about a crime or situation that the establishment doesn't support you're a racist and a bigot! It's truly an Orwellian nightmare and I'm afraid it's getting worst and worst.

It's the same happening in US politics. Hillary is promoting herself as this humanist, anti-facist, fighting against the banks, speaking about how trump uses fear to control people. But if you read the DNC's emails you know they openly rigged the election to have Hilary win. And no one seems to care! Then people look at you crazy if you dare to say the president is selected and not elected.

Many of these western leaders like Merkel and Hilary potray themselves as humanists but they're the biggest frauds of them all. They don't care about anything but power. And if you don't support them you're a racist misogynist apparently.
Newsflash in every civilized country in the world, politic parties elect their leader, i repeat EVERY CIVILIZED COUNTRY, US being a third world country as this moronic and idiot thing called primaries. Good for you.

[StephHamann]

People say there's no limit to stupidity and it's true, but what fascinates me it's that is no limit to how many times stupidity amazes people.

After all this time of reading the low IQ retard trash that you write, i'm found myself still amazed at how dumb you are.

And yes the problem was the construction of mosques no the radicalization of islam sponsored by the US.


Idiots like you should be round up and taken to gas chambers. You are a waste of every possible resource, and a nuisance.

Liberals talk about gas chambers and "human resources" non stop. Kinda funny.

[LJJ]

This policy actually makes some level of sense, although it should be much more targeted... you only really want to ban funding for Wahhabi/Salafi mosques, so Saudi funding essentially.

If say, reasonable Gulenists, or Sufi patrons wanted to build mosques in France, I wouldn't stop them.

In fact, I think to some extent and on a case by case basis, more foreign funding of mosques, but from different sources, could be part of the solution against radical Islamism. The ideological battle going on is primarily intra-Islamic... Salafism needs a serious Muslim competitor on the international scene. So far they've benefitted immensely from being the only game in town in certain areas.

This sounds like a terrible idea.

G

[BoutPractice]

Well, I'm for whatever works.

Salafi expansionism was made possible due to vast amounts of wealth.

I'm all for a French Islam in theory, but where's the money to fund this?

And how do you avoid charges that it's an inauthentic, government-supported Islam, that stands for "the Man"?

Again, Salafism needs serious competition. Not small change...

So all I'm saying is that if a serious competitor happened to be foreign, I wouldn't have a law dogmatically preventing me from accepting their donation. Then you could find ways to make sure that the actual imams speak the language, are embedded in the community etc.

Gulenism was just one example because there's lots of wealth behind it and Gulenism is much more tolerant overall than Salafism (you can't be too picky... there is no perfect solution to these problems). Also, it would humiliate Erdogan which is always a good thing in my book. But it's not the best option, I agree, and obviously if there's something better in store, I'd go for it.

My key thesis is that the source matters less than whether the content of what they promote is Salafi-inspired or not. (Especially since you can easily obscure the true origins of your funding)

[LJJ]

I'm all for a French Islam in theory, but where's the money to fund this?

And how do you avoid charges that it's an inauthentic, government-supported Islam, that stands for "the Man"?



The government shouldn't control it or sponsor it at all. If the 10 million Muslims in France want mosques, they can fund their own mosques. How about that. One of the core parts of their religion is that they are supposed to put money aside for this. All the government needs to do is check where the money comes from, not sponsor it or control it. Local working French people want to build a mosque? Fine. Foreign organisations, governments, etcetera wants to build a mosque? Not allowed.

Want an imam? Fine. Find one. The government shouldn't control that. But what the government should control is that when a foreign imam tries to come to France who doesn't preach in French, doesn't even speak or understand French, who's an agent of a foreign regime or organisation, then they can deny him a visa and entry to the country.

[WallIn]

Great decision.

[poido123]

People say there's no limit to stupidity and it's true, but what fascinates me it's that is no limit to how many times stupidity amazes people.

After all this time of reading the low IQ retard trash that you write, i'm found myself still amazed at how dumb you are.

And yes the problem was the construction of mosques no the radicalization of islam sponsored by the US.


Idiots like you should be round up and taken to gas chambers. You are a waste of every possible resource, and a nuisance.



What on earth do you base any of these insults on? Gas chamber? really?


What he said was dead on. You can't promote mass migration of uncivilised male population and expect a good result.


Merkel has failed her own people in a big way. History will look back on this as a total disaster.

[imdaman99]

Only about 20 years late...

That European countries have allowed rich Saudi scumbags to build mosques in their countries (for decades) for the purpose of spreading their toxic Wahhabi ideology is a disgrace.
This. I don't have a problem with going to war against Wahhabis. They are a problem for all of us.

The Wahhabis ruin it for the rest of us. France has already had a strained relationship with Muslims in general.

[TheMan]

If Saudi Arabia wasn't so oil rich and the royal family not so buddy buddy with America's elite, we would've bombed those wahhabi funding sons of a thousand harlots a long time ago.

[NumberSix]

If Saudi Arabia wasn't so oil rich and the royal family not so buddy buddy with America's elite, we would've bombed those wahhabi funding sons of a thousand harlots a long time ago.
#TakeTheOil

[Nick Young]

Liberals talk about gas chambers and "human resources" non stop. Kinda funny.
They just can't wait to bring them back and use them on the wrongthinkers.

[Dresta]

People say there's no limit to stupidity and it's true, but what fascinates me it's that is no limit to how many times stupidity amazes people.

After all this time of reading the low IQ retard trash that you write, i'm found myself still amazed at how dumb you are.

And yes the problem was the construction of mosques no the radicalization of islam sponsored by the US.


Idiots like you should be round up and taken to gas chambers. You are a waste of every possible resource, and a nuisance.
:roll:

Guy calling me stupid while he is incapable of even putting together four coherent sentences. THIS POST MAKES NO SENSE: it is illiterate drivel, and I can't be bothered trying to decipher it.

You need to be put in some kind of psychiatric hospital because you're out of your damned mind.

[Dresta]

Newsflash in every civilized country in the world, politic parties elect their leader, i repeat EVERY CIVILIZED COUNTRY, US being a third world country as this moronic and idiot thing called primaries. Good for you.
You don't even understand what he is saying. Whether parties pick their leader or not isn't relevant to whether politicians have a democratic mandate to invite millions of people into their countries. Merkel didn't have that mandate; in fact, she had campaigned on a platform of "multiculturalism has failed."

That was a lie; she betrayed her people.

[Nick Young]

Yes, boys, you CAN have sex slaves:
Outrage as British Muslim cleric at mosque where Cardiff jihadis were radicalised tells teenagers that 'captives' are permissible under Islam in vile sermon

Ali Hammuda is an Imam at a mosque where three ISIS fighters worshipped
Like ISIS propaganda, he told young boys that 'day of judgment is close'
Hammuda's preachings were secretly recorded by an undercover reporter
Damning recordings catch him relaying his twisted interpretations of Islam

A hardline Muslim preacher suspected of radicalising three British jihadis told teenage disciples that it is ‘permissible’ under Islam to have sex slaves.

Ali Hammuda, an Imam at a Cardiff mosque where three young jihadis from the city worshipped before travelling to Syria to join Islamic State, also told the group of boys as young as 13 that the ‘day of judgment is close’ – a key part of IS’s warped propaganda.

The revelations come amid heightened fears over the Islamist terror threat in the UK in the wake of the bloody attacks in France.

Hammuda is still preaching at the same mosque, two years after the three ‘Cardiff jihadis’ – Nasser Muthana and Reyaad Khan, then 20, and Muthana’s younger brother Aseel, then 17 – left for Syria in 2014.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/30/21/36BBE3A900000578-3716280-image-m-5_1469910601738.jpg


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3716280/Yes-boys-sex-slaves-Outrage-British-Muslim-cleric-mosque-Cardiff-jihadis-radicalised-tells-teenagers-captives-permissible-Islam.html

[nightprowler10]

The government shouldn't control it or sponsor it at all. If the 10 million Muslims in France want mosques, they can fund their own mosques. How about that. One of the core parts of their religion is that they are supposed to put money aside for this. All the government needs to do is check where the money comes from, not sponsor it or control it. Local working French people want to build a mosque? Fine. Foreign organisations, governments, etcetera wants to build a mosque? Not allowed.

Want an imam? Fine. Find one. The government shouldn't control that. But what the government should control is that when a foreign imam tries to come to France who doesn't preach in French, doesn't even speak or understand French, who's an agent of a foreign regime or organisation, then they can deny him a visa and entry to the country.

I don't have a problem with this thought process.

[fiddy]

all euro countries need to do it

[UK2K]

Source for the bold?

Canada's Syrian refugee plan: No single men

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-refugee-plan-women-children-families-1.3330185


The federal government's much-anticipated Syrian refugee plan will limit those accepted into Canada to women, children and families only, CBC News has learned.

Sources tell CBC News that to deal with some ongoing concerns around security, unaccompanied men seeking asylum will not be part of the program.

The details of the plan will be announced Tuesday, but already Canadian officials have been working on the ground to process peopl

See? Canada was all about 'helping the refugees'... kinda. But they're not stupid enough to allow a flood of them either.

That's why their country isn't being blown to pieces by radicalized Muslims.