Julius Erving: "Kobe Is As Good As Anyone Who's Ever Played"

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gdOfpi3TTQ&t=4m48s

[Cold soul]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gdOfpi3TTQ&t=4m48s

Here come Kobe haters in 3, 2, 1. Go!

[Nilocon165]

*camera cuts*

"Except for probably Jordan, or Lebron, or Shaq, or Russell, or Hakeem, Wilt, Bird, Magic etc."

[Dray n Klay]

Players who had a higher single season Player Efficiency Rating than Kobe's best:






1. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.82 1962-63 SFW
2. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.74 1961-62 PHW
3. Michael Jordan* 31.71 1987-88 CHI
4. LeBron James 31.67 2008-09 CLE
5. Michael Jordan* 31.63 1990-91 CHI
6. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.63 1963-64 SFW
7. LeBron James 31.59 2012-13 MIA
8. Stephen Curry 31.46 2015-16 GSW
9. Michael Jordan* 31.18 1989-90 CHI
10. Michael Jordan* 31.14 1988-89 CHI
11. LeBron James 31.11 2009-10 CLE
12. Anthony Davis 30.81 2014-15 NOP
13. LeBron James 30.74 2011-12 MIA
14. David Robinson* 30.66 1993-94 SAS
15. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.65 1999-00 LAL
16. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.55 1998-99 LAL
17. Dwyane Wade 30.36 2008-09 MIA
18. Tracy McGrady 30.27 2002-03 ORL
19. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.23 2000-01 LAL
20. Chris Paul 29.96 2008-09 NOH
21. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 29.94 1971-72 MIL
22. Kevin Durant 29.82 2013-14 OKC
23. Michael Jordan* 29.78 1986-87 CHI
24. Connie Hawkins* 29.74 1968-69 MNP
25. Michael Jordan* 29.70 1992-93 CHI
26. Shaquille O'Neal* 29.68 2001-02 LAL
27. Shaquille O'Neal* 29.49 2002-03 LAL
28. Kevin Garnett 29.44 2003-04 MIN
29. David Robinson* 29.41 1995-96 SAS
30. Michael Jordan* 29.35 1995-96 CHI
31. LeBron James 29.30 2013-14 MIA
32. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 29.22 1977-78 LAL
33. LeBron James 29.14 2007-08 CLE
34. David Robinson* 29.13 1994-95 SAS
35. Russell Westbrook 29.06 2014-15 OKC
36. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 28.95 1970-71 MIL
37. Charles Barkley* 28.93 1990-91 PHI
38. Dwyane Wade 28.91 2006-07 MIA
39. Karl Malone* 28.90 1996-97 UTA
40. Shaquille O'Neal* 28.79 1997-98 LAL
41. Connie Hawkins* 28.78 1967-68 PTP
42. George Mikan* 28.75 1953-54 MNL
43. Julius Erving* 28.68 1975-76 NYA
44. Wilt Chamberlain* 28.62 1964-65 TOT
45. Shaquille O'Neal* 28.59 1994-95 ORL
46. Shaquille O'Neal* 28.53 1993-94 ORL
47. George Mikan* 28.51 1952-53 MNL
48. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 28.45 1972-73 MIL
49. Chris Paul 28.31 2007-08 NOH
50. Kevin Durant 28.29 2012-13 OKC
51. Wilt Chamberlain* 28.26 1965-66 PHI
52. Elgin Baylor* 28.24 1960-61 LAL
53. Kevin Garnett 28.20 2004-05 MIN
54. Bob Pettit* 28.20 1958-59 STL
55. Kevin Durant 28.17 2015-16 OKC
56. Bob Pettit* 28.07 1956-57 STL
57. Dirk Nowitzki 28.06 2005-06 DAL
58. LeBron James 28.06 2005-06 CLE
59. Wilt Chamberlain* 28.04 1959-60 PHW
60. Dwyane Wade 28.02 2009-10 MIA
61. Spencer Haywood* 28.00 1969-70 DNR
62. Stephen Curry 27.98 2014-15







There's a legit 62 times where a player has had a better peak than Kobe's best.





If objectively, Kobe doesnt even measure up as a top 60 player in NBA History, then how does he have an argument as "One of the Best Ever"?



It seems Julius Erving is trying to falsely classify Kobe as something he's not

[WayOfWad3]

I would change the statement to "could be as good." Kobe certainly could put up a good fight against many greats (and did so) and I'd be fine if he was in my corner. That being said there's obviously a handful or two of players you should probably choose ahead of him if given the chance

[raprap]

He's a borderline top 10 player of all time out of the thousands of pros that has played in the league:confusedshrug:

[warriorfan]

Players who had a higher single season Player Efficiency Rating than Kobe's best:






1. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.82 1962-63 SFW
2. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.74 1961-62 PHW
3. Michael Jordan* 31.71 1987-88 CHI
4. LeBron James 31.67 2008-09 CLE
5. Michael Jordan* 31.63 1990-91 CHI
6. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.63 1963-64 SFW
7. LeBron James 31.59 2012-13 MIA
8. Stephen Curry 31.46 2015-16 GSW
9. Michael Jordan* 31.18 1989-90 CHI
10. Michael Jordan* 31.14 1988-89 CHI
11. LeBron James 31.11 2009-10 CLE
12. Anthony Davis 30.81 2014-15 NOP
13. LeBron James 30.74 2011-12 MIA
14. David Robinson* 30.66 1993-94 SAS
15. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.65 1999-00 LAL
16. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.55 1998-99 LAL
17. Dwyane Wade 30.36 2008-09 MIA
18. Tracy McGrady 30.27 2002-03 ORL
19. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.23 2000-01 LAL
20. Chris Paul 29.96 2008-09 NOH
21. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 29.94 1971-72 MIL
22. Kevin Durant 29.82 2013-14 OKC
23. Michael Jordan* 29.78 1986-87 CHI
24. Connie Hawkins* 29.74 1968-69 MNP
25. Michael Jordan* 29.70 1992-93 CHI
26. Shaquille O'Neal* 29.68 2001-02 LAL
27. Shaquille O'Neal* 29.49 2002-03 LAL
28. Kevin Garnett 29.44 2003-04 MIN
29. David Robinson* 29.41 1995-96 SAS
30. Michael Jordan* 29.35 1995-96 CHI
31. LeBron James 29.30 2013-14 MIA
32. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 29.22 1977-78 LAL
33. LeBron James 29.14 2007-08 CLE
34. David Robinson* 29.13 1994-95 SAS
35. Russell Westbrook 29.06 2014-15 OKC
36. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 28.95 1970-71 MIL
37. Charles Barkley* 28.93 1990-91 PHI
38. Dwyane Wade 28.91 2006-07 MIA
39. Karl Malone* 28.90 1996-97 UTA
40. Shaquille O'Neal* 28.79 1997-98 LAL
41. Connie Hawkins* 28.78 1967-68 PTP
42. George Mikan* 28.75 1953-54 MNL
43. Julius Erving* 28.68 1975-76 NYA
44. Wilt Chamberlain* 28.62 1964-65 TOT
45. Shaquille O'Neal* 28.59 1994-95 ORL
46. Shaquille O'Neal* 28.53 1993-94 ORL
47. George Mikan* 28.51 1952-53 MNL
48. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 28.45 1972-73 MIL
49. Chris Paul 28.31 2007-08 NOH
50. Kevin Durant 28.29 2012-13 OKC
51. Wilt Chamberlain* 28.26 1965-66 PHI
52. Elgin Baylor* 28.24 1960-61 LAL
53. Kevin Garnett 28.20 2004-05 MIN
54. Bob Pettit* 28.20 1958-59 STL
55. Kevin Durant 28.17 2015-16 OKC
56. Bob Pettit* 28.07 1956-57 STL
57. Dirk Nowitzki 28.06 2005-06 DAL
58. LeBron James 28.06 2005-06 CLE
59. Wilt Chamberlain* 28.04 1959-60 PHW
60. Dwyane Wade 28.02 2009-10 MIA
61. Spencer Haywood* 28.00 1969-70 DNR
62. Stephen Curry 27.98 2014-15







There's a legit 62 times where a player has had a better peak than Kobe's best.





If objectively, Kobe doesnt even measure up as a top 60 player in NBA History, then how does he have an argument as "One of the Best Ever"?



It seems Julius Erving is trying to falsely classify Kobe as something he's not[/I]

If you thought what Kobe Bryant did was bad, what LeBron did was worse

LeBron left his hometown team to join the players with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league (Wade and Bosh)

https://s31.postimg.org/d9ndpvc63/lebroncollude.jpg





That would be the same as Curry leaving his hometown to join Kevin Durant AND Russell Westbrook in OKC (joining with the 2nd and 4th highest PER)

https://s31.postimg.org/japo0i0yz/King_Curry.png

[eliteballer]

Players who had a higher single season Player Efficiency Rating than Kobe's best:






1. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.82 1962-63 SFW
2. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.74 1961-62 PHW
3. Michael Jordan* 31.71 1987-88 CHI
4. LeBron James 31.67 2008-09 CLE
5. Michael Jordan* 31.63 1990-91 CHI
6. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.63 1963-64 SFW
7. LeBron James 31.59 2012-13 MIA
8. Stephen Curry 31.46 2015-16 GSW
9. Michael Jordan* 31.18 1989-90 CHI
10. Michael Jordan* 31.14 1988-89 CHI
11. LeBron James 31.11 2009-10 CLE
12. Anthony Davis 30.81 2014-15 NOP
13. LeBron James 30.74 2011-12 MIA
14. David Robinson* 30.66 1993-94 SAS
15. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.65 1999-00 LAL
16. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.55 1998-99 LAL
17. Dwyane Wade 30.36 2008-09 MIA
18. Tracy McGrady 30.27 2002-03 ORL
19. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.23 2000-01 LAL
20. Chris Paul 29.96 2008-09 NOH
21. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 29.94 1971-72 MIL
22. Kevin Durant 29.82 2013-14 OKC
23. Michael Jordan* 29.78 1986-87 CHI
24. Connie Hawkins* 29.74 1968-69 MNP
25. Michael Jordan* 29.70 1992-93 CHI
26. Shaquille O'Neal* 29.68 2001-02 LAL
27. Shaquille O'Neal* 29.49 2002-03 LAL
28. Kevin Garnett 29.44 2003-04 MIN
29. David Robinson* 29.41 1995-96 SAS
30. Michael Jordan* 29.35 1995-96 CHI
31. LeBron James 29.30 2013-14 MIA
32. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 29.22 1977-78 LAL
33. LeBron James 29.14 2007-08 CLE
34. David Robinson* 29.13 1994-95 SAS
35. Russell Westbrook 29.06 2014-15 OKC
36. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 28.95 1970-71 MIL
37. Charles Barkley* 28.93 1990-91 PHI
38. Dwyane Wade 28.91 2006-07 MIA
39. Karl Malone* 28.90 1996-97 UTA
40. Shaquille O'Neal* 28.79 1997-98 LAL
41. Connie Hawkins* 28.78 1967-68 PTP
42. George Mikan* 28.75 1953-54 MNL
43. Julius Erving* 28.68 1975-76 NYA
44. Wilt Chamberlain* 28.62 1964-65 TOT
45. Shaquille O'Neal* 28.59 1994-95 ORL
46. Shaquille O'Neal* 28.53 1993-94 ORL
47. George Mikan* 28.51 1952-53 MNL
48. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 28.45 1972-73 MIL
49. Chris Paul 28.31 2007-08 NOH
50. Kevin Durant 28.29 2012-13 OKC
51. Wilt Chamberlain* 28.26 1965-66 PHI
52. Elgin Baylor* 28.24 1960-61 LAL
53. Kevin Garnett 28.20 2004-05 MIN
54. Bob Pettit* 28.20 1958-59 STL
55. Kevin Durant 28.17 2015-16 OKC
56. Bob Pettit* 28.07 1956-57 STL
57. Dirk Nowitzki 28.06 2005-06 DAL
58. LeBron James 28.06 2005-06 CLE
59. Wilt Chamberlain* 28.04 1959-60 PHW
60. Dwyane Wade 28.02 2009-10 MIA
61. Spencer Haywood* 28.00 1969-70 DNR
62. Stephen Curry 27.98 2014-15







There's a legit 62 times where a player has had a better peak than Kobe's best.





If objectively, Kobe doesnt even measure up as a top 60 player in NBA History, then how does he have an argument as "One of the Best Ever"?



It seems Julius Erving is trying to falsely classify Kobe as something he's not

If you actually understood how "per" works, and what a flawed "stat" it is, you'd realize what an idiotic argument you just made.

[warriorfan]

If you actually understood how "per" works, and what a flawed "stat" it is, you'd realize what an idiotic argument you just made.

Yes,

For maximum accuracy PER should be used to compare players from the same individual season, with similar minutes played

[Mr Feeny]

I'd like to point out that Kobe is 23rd all time in PER :oldlol:
Ranking him 12 is doing him a favor due to team accomplishments. As an individual player, he's anything but an elite player :D

[TheWinningFam]

Yes,

For maximum accuracy PER should be used to compare players from the same individual season, with similar minutes played

Warriors fans live in constant fear that NBA superstar Stephen Curry will get injured

Almost half his NBA career Curry has been battling some type of injury

And when it happened in the 2016 NBA Playoffs, no one was suprised

As some may not know, Stephen had seven ankle sprains and 2 surgiers in a 16-month period

Because of his historical amount of ankle sprains/surgeries, he has unusually slow lateral quickness and struggles with stopping on a dime

Lets recap why he got himself injured:

- Curry gambled on Ariza when he tried a full court press and was blown right by instantly - Montiejunas trips and falls - Curry sees this in the corner of his eye

https://s31.postimg.org/vsgepifrv/curry1_5.png

- Curry tried forcing Ariza to go right - Ariza goes up for the pump - Curry struggles to stop and at the same time slips on sweat because he lacked awareness where he was on the court

https://s31.postimg.org/gxrtbc66z/curry3.png



The injury effected his game none whatsoever

His next game and following series versus the Houston Rockets, Steph perfomed at an elite level

https://s31.postimg.org/981kjrh3v/curry3_5.png

The following 7 game series versus the Oklahoma City Thunder he again performed at a spectacular level

https://s31.postimg.org/exht42na3/curry4.png

And as we all know, in the Finals, Curry just couldn't live up to the two previous series when he faced the Cleveland Cavaliers

https://s31.postimg.org/z656psml7/curry5.png

Infact, by looking at his past 3 Playoffs, 2016 Curry was right on par in nearly every category with his 2014 and 2013 Playoffs

https://s32.postimg.org/bsdxd1t5h/curry8.png


In conclusion we see that
1. Steph is injury prone has a long history of sprains with multiple surgeries
2. Steph's fragile ankles wouldn't allow him to stop on a dime/keep up with Ariza
3. Steph had bad court awareness after seeing Montie fall and drove right through a wet spot, tweaking his knee
4. Multiple sources say it was a grade 1 MCL, 2 weeks fully heal, "he was lucky"
5. Steph came back from injury and played 9 games averaging 31, 8, 7, 48%fg before playing Cleveland where he struggled at 22, 5, 4, 40%fg
6. Steph is a sub par Playoff and Finals performer compared to his regular season
7. GSW front office signed Durant as insurance, specifically banking on Steph's next upcoming injury

[Spurs m8]

its just one mans wrong opinion.... :confusedshrug:

[warriorfan]

This message is hidden because TheWinningFam is on your ignore list

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe is 23rd all time in PER and Curry is already better:banana: :lol
As I was saying to all these Kobetards Curry us better than any version of kobe:D

[jlip]

He's a borderline top 10 player of all time out of the thousands of pros that has played in the league:confusedshrug:

This, pretty much.

[warriorfan]

Kobe is 23rd all time in PER and Curry is already better:banana: :lol
As I was saying to all these Kobetards Curry us better than any version of kobe:D

Kobe never colluded with the 2nd and 4th best players in the league like LeBron did 1, and he ended up with more success as well




1.
https://s31.postimg.org/d9ndpvc63/lebroncollude.jpg

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe never colluded with the 2nd and 4th best players in the league like LeBron did 1, and he ended up with more success as well




1.
https://s31.postimg.org/d9ndpvc63/lebroncollude.jpg

And Kobe is behind Lebron and Wade and Curry and is only 23rd all time in PER wile Bron is 2nd behind MJ :banana:

[Fire Colangelo]

On any given night, he has the ability to out play anybody in the top 10.

Heck, I wouldn't past it Kobe to outplay prime MJ a few times had they been around at the same time.

[warriorfan]

And Kobe is behind Lebron and Wade and Curry and is only 23rd all time in PER wile Bron is 2nd behind MJ :banana:

And he still managed to win back to back titles with players worse than all you have mentioned

That is why Kobe Bryant is special, he is a winner

[Mr Feeny]

And he still managed to win back to back titles with players worse than all you have mentioned

That is why Kobe Bryant is special, he is a winner

Sorry we don't speak "out of the top 20" in career PER :lol
Call me when Kobrick makes it into the top 20 :D

[warriorfan]

Sorry we don't speak "out of the top 20" in career PER :lol
Call me when Kobrick makes it into the top 20 :D

You do not know shit about basketball

[Mr Feeny]

You do not know shit about basketball

Sorry I said we don't speak "out of the top 20" in career PER
Call me when Kobrick makes it into the top 20 :banana:

[G-train]

There's a legit 62 times where a player has had a better peak than Kobe's best.


If objectively, Kobe doesnt even measure up as a top 60 player in NBA History, then how does he have an argument as "One of the Best Ever"?



There are players listed more than once.

[Smoke117]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/michael-jordan-laugh.gif

[Deuce Bigalow]

Players who had a higher single season Player Efficiency Rating than Kobe's best:






1. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.82 1962-63 SFW
2. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.74 1961-62 PHW
3. Michael Jordan* 31.71 1987-88 CHI
4. LeBron James 31.67 2008-09 CLE
5. Michael Jordan* 31.63 1990-91 CHI
6. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.63 1963-64 SFW
7. LeBron James 31.59 2012-13 MIA
8. Stephen Curry 31.46 2015-16 GSW
9. Michael Jordan* 31.18 1989-90 CHI
10. Michael Jordan* 31.14 1988-89 CHI
11. LeBron James 31.11 2009-10 CLE
12. Anthony Davis 30.81 2014-15 NOP
13. LeBron James 30.74 2011-12 MIA
14. David Robinson* 30.66 1993-94 SAS
15. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.65 1999-00 LAL
16. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.55 1998-99 LAL
17. Dwyane Wade 30.36 2008-09 MIA
18. Tracy McGrady 30.27 2002-03 ORL
19. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.23 2000-01 LAL
20. Chris Paul 29.96 2008-09 NOH
21. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 29.94 1971-72 MIL
22. Kevin Durant 29.82 2013-14 OKC
23. Michael Jordan* 29.78 1986-87 CHI
24. Connie Hawkins* 29.74 1968-69 MNP
25. Michael Jordan* 29.70 1992-93 CHI
26. Shaquille O'Neal* 29.68 2001-02 LAL
27. Shaquille O'Neal* 29.49 2002-03 LAL
28. Kevin Garnett 29.44 2003-04 MIN
29. David Robinson* 29.41 1995-96 SAS
30. Michael Jordan* 29.35 1995-96 CHI
31. LeBron James 29.30 2013-14 MIA
32. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 29.22 1977-78 LAL
33. LeBron James 29.14 2007-08 CLE
34. David Robinson* 29.13 1994-95 SAS
35. Russell Westbrook 29.06 2014-15 OKC
36. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 28.95 1970-71 MIL
37. Charles Barkley* 28.93 1990-91 PHI
38. Dwyane Wade 28.91 2006-07 MIA
39. Karl Malone* 28.90 1996-97 UTA
40. Shaquille O'Neal* 28.79 1997-98 LAL
41. Connie Hawkins* 28.78 1967-68 PTP
42. George Mikan* 28.75 1953-54 MNL
43. Julius Erving* 28.68 1975-76 NYA
44. Wilt Chamberlain* 28.62 1964-65 TOT
45. Shaquille O'Neal* 28.59 1994-95 ORL
46. Shaquille O'Neal* 28.53 1993-94 ORL
47. George Mikan* 28.51 1952-53 MNL
48. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 28.45 1972-73 MIL
49. Chris Paul 28.31 2007-08 NOH
50. Kevin Durant 28.29 2012-13 OKC
51. Wilt Chamberlain* 28.26 1965-66 PHI
52. Elgin Baylor* 28.24 1960-61 LAL
53. Kevin Garnett 28.20 2004-05 MIN
54. Bob Pettit* 28.20 1958-59 STL
55. Kevin Durant 28.17 2015-16 OKC
56. Bob Pettit* 28.07 1956-57 STL
57. Dirk Nowitzki 28.06 2005-06 DAL
58. LeBron James 28.06 2005-06 CLE
59. Wilt Chamberlain* 28.04 1959-60 PHW
60. Dwyane Wade 28.02 2009-10 MIA
61. Spencer Haywood* 28.00 1969-70 DNR
62. Stephen Curry 27.98 2014-15







There's a legit 62 times where a player has had a better peak than Kobe's best.





If objectively, Kobe doesnt even measure up as a top 60 player in NBA History, then how does he have an argument as "One of the Best Ever"?



It seems Julius Erving is trying to falsely classify Kobe as something he's not
That list is also missing Bill Russell, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson and Tim Duncan

[BlkMambaGOAT]

NBA Legends: "Kobe is one the greatest players of all time, top 10 AT LEAST"

Kobe Haters: "Lol, dey stoopid, we iz smert alfas"

ESPN analysts who didn't go beyond house league: "Kobe is 12th"

Kobe Haters: "FAX FAX FAX!"

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

Tmac 03: 32.1/6.5/5.5/1.7/0.8/2.6 on .457/.386/.793 in 39.4 mpg = PER of 30.3

Kobe 06: 35.4/5.3/4.5/1.8/0.4/3.1 on .450/.347/.850 in 41.0 mpg = PER of 28.0
Kobe 03: 30.0/6.9/5.9/2.2/0.8/3.5 on .451/.381/.843 in 41.5 mpg = PER of 26.2
Kobe 07: 31.6/5.7/5.4/1.4/0.5/3.3 on .463/.344/.863 in 40.8 mpg = PER of 26.1

??

[JebronLames]

Tmac 03: 32.1/6.5/5.5/1.7/0.8/2.6 on .457/.386/.793 in 39.4 mpg = PER of 30.3

Kobe 06: 35.4/5.3/4.5/1.8/0.4/3.1 on .450/.347/.850 in 41.0 mpg = PER of 28.0
Kobe 03: 30.0/6.9/5.9/2.2/0.8/3.5 on .451/.381/.843 in 41.5 mpg = PER of 26.2
Kobe 07: 31.6/5.7/5.4/1.4/0.5/3.3 on .463/.344/.863 in 40.8 mpg = PER of 26.1

??
Assist to turnover ratio

[34-24 Footwork]

If i hated Kobe, I'd be FUMING right about now.

Clowns Spent all summer trying to devalue a retired basketball player only for another NBA great to come out and slap you in the mouth once again. Lol.

[Spurs m8]

If i hated Kobe, I'd be FUMING right about now.

Clowns Spent all summer trying to devalue a retired basketball player only for another NBA great to come out and slap you in the mouth once again. Lol.

One mans wrong opinion, no one cares

[34-24 Footwork]

One mans wrong opinion, no one cares

Jordan:

"Only Kobe deserves to be compared to me".

Random ISH troll:

"Kobe is awful".



Wonder who will be taken more seriously

[bigkingsfan]

It's called being a good politician.

[Prime_Shaq]

Skillset wise, definitely. Its his mentality that set him back.

[boldarblood]

One mans wrong opinion, no one cares

Says a fat little forum troll. If no one cared you would have not spent the time trying to troll.

[Mr Feeny]

There are players listed more than once.

He's listing all the seasons that were better than Kobe's best season. 62 in total. Some players have several seasons better than Kobe's best season which is why you see them mentioned more than once here.

[Spurs m8]

Says a fat little forum troll. If no one cared you would have not spent the time trying to troll.

Your names hurt my feelings

[Uncle Drew]

Jordan:

"Only Kobe deserves to be compared to me".

Random ISH troll:

"Kobe is awful".



Wonder who will be taken more seriously
Michael Jordan picked Kwame Brown first overall and did everything he could to get Jerry Kraus to sign damn Al Wood and several other players he recommended, where he was notoriously off on his player judgements.

[GoatBoy]

Michael Jordan picked Kwame Brown first overall and did everything he could to get Jerry Kraus to sign damn Al Wood and several other players he recommended, where he was notoriously off on his player judgements.
So we should disregard any basketball analysis Jordan provides for this reason?

[AirBonner]

This thread is pathetic. Kobetards now use opinions as facts. Ignoring all statistical facts along the way.

[SwayDizzle]

I'd like to point out that Kobe is 23rd all time in PER :oldlol:
Ranking him 12 is doing him a favor due to team accomplishments. As an individual player, he's anything but an elite player :D
go to sleep

[Uncle Drew]

So we should disregard any basketball analysis Jordan provides for this reason?
Correct. Every take he's made on any player ever was insanely far off. From Al Wood to P.J. Hairston.

[SecondTake]

I'd like to point out that Kobe is 23rd all time in PER :oldlol:
Ranking him 12 is doing him a favor due to team accomplishments. As an individual player, he's anything but an elite player :D

23rd all time out of the thousands to have played isnt elite? Are you stupid?

[Mr Feeny]

23rd all time out of the thousands to have played isnt elite? Are you stupid?In other words he's 21 spots behind Lebron? :eek:
:banana:

[SecondTake]

In other words he's 21 spots behind Lebron? :eek:
:banana:

Who cares about Lebron, the point is that your claim that being 23rd all time is somehow not elite is agonizingly stupid and not based in any sense of reality.

[Mr Feeny]

Who cares about Lebron, the point is that your claim that being 23rd all time is somehow not elite is agonizingly stupid and not based in any sense of reality.I consider elite to be top 3-5 players all time :lebronamazed:

LeBron is elite according to my definition along with MJ, Kareem, Magic and Russell. Then the 2nd tier is from 6-10. The third tier from 11-15. The forth tier is from 16-20. Then in comes Kobe at the 5th tier:roll:

[Kenomax]

Is there anyone who cares what old grandpa says?
I would find 20 better players than Kobe.
At least.

[Hey Yo]

Jordan:

"Only Kobe deserves to be compared to me".

Random ISH troll:

"Kobe is awful".



Wonder who will be taken more seriously
Did MJ say that right after he saw this??






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[jlip]

What's so controversial about this statement? As someone has already stated, Kobe is one of the 10-15 best players to have ever played the game out of thousands of people. On any given night, no matter who the opponent was, he could easily be the best player on the court.

[warriorfan]

Julius Erving knows ball

[Im Still Ballin]

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[bizil]

When it comes to perimeter players who combined great scoring, great passing, great defense, very effective rebounding (for a perimeter player), and great athletic ability this is the Mt. Rushmore:

MJ
Bron
Kobe
Wade

From here, I think Kobe had the best overall scoring skillset of this group. Kobe's three ball and handles give him the slight edge on MJ. So in terms of what Doc meant, I think he meant along these lines. In general, I think MJ is the best perimeter player of all time GOAT and peak wise.

For bigs, I think Wilt is the best peak wise while Kareem is the best GOAT wise. But Bron, Magic, and Bird are sort of in their own category. Because of their IQ and ability to float between the perimeter and PF position.

[tpols]

What's so controversial about this statement? As someone has already stated, Kobe is one of the 10-15 best players to have ever played the game out of thousands of people. On any given night, no matter who the opponent was, he could easily be the best player on the court.

this.

in a league where jason terry outplayed peak Lebron James in a series, that should tell you the talent level were dealing with in this league.. hell, kyrie didnt even make an All NBA team yet he just smoked the only unamimous MVP in history.. anybody in similar tier or even a few below can outplay someone else better than them at any given time.. few have had the sustained excellence and determination of a Kobe Bryant though.

[LostCause]

-appeal to authority-

Appeal to Authority is misused very often. There's actually nothing wrong with doing it, and everyone does, in fact if the authority is legitimately an expert or highly knowledgeable in the subject it is not fallacious to do so. It's a fallacy when the supposed expert actually isn't an expert.

In this case, Dr. J is very knowledgeable about basketball and NBA History. There's no evidence of bias on his part and many others who know the game share a similar -or agree with his- opinion. There's nothing wrong with citing his opinion here, an appeal to authority yes, but it's not fallacious.

An example: If Ray Allen and JJ Redick both told you that your shooting form was bad and showed you one they claimed was superior, you'd believe them. If a random ISH poster did it, you probably won't

Important to note, though, that just because this particular appeal to authority isn't fallacious, that also doesn't make it true

-http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html

[eliteballer]

Michael Jordan picked Kwame Brown first overall and did everything he could to get Jerry Kraus to sign damn Al Wood and several other players he recommended, where he was notoriously off on his player judgements.

There's a difference between projecting what a teenager will do in the NBA vs evaluating guys who's entire careers you've seen.

[branslowski]

Did MJ say that right after he saw this??






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Be an adult for once in ur sh!tty life. You know damn well what Jordan meant. He seen Kobe play. Just like Magic saying Kobe is the greatest laker of All Time, along with multiple other greats who recognize the game. The world knows Kobe is a Top 10 legend. Most casual fans know Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Bird and Magic as the greatest 5. Seriously.

The fact that you people on this board full of haters seem to think Kobe is a trash player truly means nothing. You truly don't even believe it yourself or you wouldn't be trying to diminish him everyday.

Do you morons actually think anyone believes you aside from the circle jerk haters on these internet forums?:oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

There's a difference between projecting what a teenager will do in the NBA vs evaluating guys who's entire careers you've seen.

His judgment is off either way?

Alright :applause:

[Kenomax]

Of course most people consider Kobe close to few GOAT level players, because most people looks only on popular and scoring aspect. The more you read and look at the real players value and facts, the more you know Kobe has no argument for top 10.

[BIZARRO]

I love Kobe, and I especially love Doc......

But Doc's jealousy of Mike is almost palpable, as it is in every interview he does unfortunately.....

[eliteballer]

I love Kobe, and I especially love Doc......

But Doc's jealousy of Mike is almost palpable, as it is in every interview he does unfortunately.....

Tha's BS...they have a mentor/pupil relationship as any I've seen in the NBA.

[BIZARRO]

Tha's BS...they have a mentor/pupil relationship as any I've seen in the NBA.

Nope. Mike loves the Doc. But over the years in countless interviews Doc goes out of his way to understate Jordan influence and game.

The jealousy is palpable because Mike gained the fame and money the Doc was too early for. And because Mike was better.

It's just what we've always gotten from Doc in interviews on First Take, or NBA Halftime shows....Dude comes across as bitter about Mike.

Like his BS loaded comment here.

In many ways Doc is a class act. In other ways he often says childish loaded bs.

I do love the Doc though.

[Mr Feeny]

Nope. Mike loves the Doc. But over the years in countless interviews Doc goes out of his way to understate Jordan influence and game.

The jealousy is palpable because Mike gained the fame and money the Doc was too early for. And because Mike was better.

It's just what we've always gotten from Doc in interviews on First Take, or NBA Halftime shows....Dude comes across as bitter about Mike.

Like his BS loaded comment here.

In many ways Doc is a class act. In other ways he often says childish loaded bs.

I do love the Doc though.

This. Doc is the guy trying to convince everyone who would listen that Jordan is not a top 5 player. Try to let that sink in. It doesn't get any more asinine.

[Kenomax]

Dr J is just the next troll. He put Elgin Baylor above Jordan, Magic, LeBron and Kobe.
Only idiots care what trolls say, only completely idiots quote them.

[SwayDizzle]

thing is, it's true

you can say that about most of the top 5 all time

[Kenomax]

thing is, it's true

you can say that about most of the top 5 all time

Funny how much you match to my last post. Congratulations! :lol


ROFL, regards.