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Fire Colangelo
08-01-2016, 03:24 PM
There's been many players who dominated in the regular season and won MVP, but wasn't dominant enough in the post season to win a FMVP - and vice versa. Only a handful of greats have won both awards in the same season.

Michael Jordan - 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998

Probably would've had 1993 and 1997 in the bag as well had it not been voter's fatigue.


Bill Russell - Played in an era without the FMVP award, but had FMVP existed back in his day he would've swept both awards in 1961, 1962, 1963 and 1965.


LeBron James - 2012, 2013

Truly dominant in those two seasons, one of the only three* (Finals MVP technically didn't exist in Russell's day) players to win both awards in a single season multiple times.

Larry Bird - 1984, 1986

Shame what injuries did to Bird, but he had a great career regardless.

Kareem Abdul Jabbar - 1971

6 MVPs and 2 FMVPs on his resume - KAJ was truly dominant in his early years and cemented himself on this list of All Time Elites with his 1971 season.

Magic Johnson - 1987

Definitely would've had more of these seasons had Magic not played in one of the most competitive eras along with Bird.

Tim Duncan - 2003

One of the most dominant seasons by an individual player in NBA history. Timmy absolutely carried his team that year

Shaq - 2000

Arguably could've had 2001 as well had Iverson not carried his Sixers to a better record. Shaq is one of the, if not THE most dominant player in his prime.

Hakeem - 1994

Carried his team like a few others, sadly Hakeem will always be haunted by the question: "What if Jordan didn't retire?".


Wilt Chamberlain - Also played in an era without the FMVP award, although he was able to pick one up later on in his career. Had the FMVP award existed in his prime years, he would've arguably had it in 1967..... Arguably.


Moses Malone - 1983

Moses jumped ship to a team that won 58 games and made the NBA finals just a previous season before in 1983. But make no mistake, he was very dominant in the 1983 season and ultimately pushed them over the top for a championship.



Honourable Mention:

Willis Reed - 1970

One of the weaker MVPs we had in league history - a MVP that belonged to KAJ in the regular season. But Reed was the best player on the best team in the NBA in 1970, so he sneaks into this list. Both his regular season and post season stats are very pedestrian compared to the players listed above however, which is why he only has 1 MVP and 1 FMVP in his whole career.


To put everything together:

Tier 1: Jordan, Russell - Both had 4 dominant years
Tier 2: LeBron, Bird - Both had 2 dominant years
Tier 3: KAJ, Magic, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Wilt, Moses - All had 1 dominant year + multiple MVPs/FMVPs in separate occasions.

^ This rounds off our top 11 pretty nicely IMO.

bigkingsfan
08-01-2016, 03:25 PM
Where's? Never mind, you said top 11.

Mr Feeny
08-01-2016, 03:33 PM
Where's? Never mind, you said top 11.

Oh snap :roll:

HurricaneKid
08-01-2016, 03:36 PM
So only MJ has more seasons with MVP and FMVP than LeBron? Sounds right to me.

k0kakw0rld
08-01-2016, 08:48 PM
Where's? Never mind, you said top 11.
Savage :eek:

Akrazotile
08-01-2016, 08:51 PM
Where's? Never mind, you said top 11.


:lebronamazed:

Dray n Klay
08-01-2016, 09:05 PM
LeBron won the MVP in 2009 and averaged 35/9/7 the entire playoffs.



He was the best player in the playoffs even though his team was too garbage to make the finals.



So thats another dominant year for LeBron.



LeBron has been the best player in the playoffs and regular season atleast 5-6 years in his career.

Fire Colangelo
08-01-2016, 09:13 PM
Where's? Never mind, you said top 11.

Shit :lol didn't see this at first


LeBron won the MVP in 2009 and averaged 35/9/7 the entire playoffs.



He was the best player in the playoffs even though his team was too garbage to make the finals.



So thats another dominant year for LeBron.



LeBron has been the best player in the playoffs and regular season atleast 5-6 years in his career.

True, but the end result is that LeBron didn't win FMVP that year.

If we go by the criteria of MVP + dominant post season instead of MVP + FMVP, we'd have to add a LOT more people onto the list.

SouBeachTalents
08-01-2016, 10:09 PM
Makes you realize how huge the '08 Finals were for Kobe. If he had managed to win that series he would've 3peated for the second time (this time as his teams best player), would have joined the elite group of players to win 3 FMVP's, and would've matched Jordan/LeBron in winning MVP/FMVP/Gold medal in the same year

raprap
08-01-2016, 10:17 PM
Where's? Never mind, you said top 11.
You've been on a roll man :lol

Dray n Klay
08-01-2016, 10:20 PM
Makes you realize how huge the '08 Finals were for Kobe. If he had managed to win that series he would've 3peated for the second time (this time as his teams best player), would have joined the elite group of players to win 3 FMVP's, and would've matched Jordan/LeBron in winning MVP/FMVP/Gold medal in the same year

He would have jumped from 12th all-time to 10th


Yes, he would officially be Top 10 had he won, but lets not act like it would've totally elevated his career.

scuzzy
08-01-2016, 11:04 PM
He would have jumped from 12th all-time to 10th


Yes, he would officially be Top 10 had he won, but lets not act like it would've totally elevated his career.

Agreed

The general consensus had Lebron at #3 just this past February

After the recent GOAT Finals performance, the unarguable consensus now is he lapped Kareem and is knocking on MJ's door

That's what it takes to even move 1 small spot up

That's the bench mark for excellence in the top 10

And Kobe's never had a Finals performance even close to that

GrapeApe
08-01-2016, 11:37 PM
Agreed

The general consensus had Lebron at #3 just this past February

After the recent GOAT Finals performance, the unarguable consensus now is he lapped Kareem and is knocking on MJ's door

That's what it takes to even move 1 small spot up

That's the bench mark for excellence in the top 10

And Kobe's never had a Finals performance even close to that

The general consensus was most definitely NOT Lebron at #3 in February, nor is it currently. I'm not sure you know what consensus means. He's also obviously not ahead of Kareem. Perhaps an argument can be made for him being #3, but it's by no means a consensus. Jordan and Kareem are #1 and #2, and Lebron is in that next group of guys with an argument for 3rd.

Mr Feeny
08-01-2016, 11:46 PM
The general consensus was most definitely NOT Lebron at #3 in February, nor is it currently. I'm not sure you know what consensus means. He's also obviously not ahead of Kareem. Perhaps an argument can be made for him being #3, but it's by no means a consensus. Jordan and Kareem are #1 and #2, and Lebron is in that next group of guys with an argument for 3rd.Fair enough but I don't think people would find the notion that Lebron 》 kareem to be obscene anymore.
This finals has changed the way people rank him all time. I think what might be crucial to Kareem's case is longevity and some people aren't willing to put lebron over him after 13 years. But for what it's worth, it's important to point out that Lebron is not that far back in the MVP count (6 to 4) and already has more titles as lead dog than kareem.
At their peaks, and for their careers, Lebron has higher PERs and WS/48 and VORP. Lebron, in fact, is even ahead of MJ in career WS and vorp and stands at 1st place, all time.

He's going to pass Kareem in playoff scoring this coming season (his 14th) and I think that as time goes on, people will have less of an issue with ranking him ahead.

Spurs5Rings2014
08-02-2016, 12:27 AM
In 2002, Duncan was MVP and put up 29/17/4/1/3 vs. the Lakers while Shaq put up 21/12/3/.6/3 and Kobe put up 26/5/5/1. Duncan's second option, rookie Tony Parker put up 14/2/5/1...

:coleman: :coleman: :coleman:

Pointguard
08-02-2016, 01:09 AM
The funny thing about Russell is that he won MVP in a year when Wilt outscored him by 30ppg and outrebounded him, and this is a year where even the Celtics abandoned defense first. It was a bit of a joke. The next year Wilt had the most dominant offensive season ever, lead the league in 12 categories per JLauber and came in sixth in the voting.

Only 28 players have ever hit the 30ppg mark. Of the current players its only Durant, Wade, Curry and Lebron, I believe.

SouBeachTalents
08-02-2016, 01:24 AM
The funny thing about Russell is that he won MVP in a year when Wilt outscored him by 30ppg and outrebounded him, and this is a year where even the Celtics abandoned defense first. It was a bit of a joke. The next year Wilt had the most dominant offensive season ever, lead the league in 12 categories per JLauber and came in sixth in the voting.

Only 28 players have ever hit the 30ppg mark. Of the current players its only Durant, Wade, Curry and Lebron, I believe.

That still wouldn't change the basis of the OP, even if he had won MVP's those other years, he'd only have won MVP & FMVP in 1967, had the award been given out then of course

AintNoSunshine
08-02-2016, 02:07 AM
Where's? Never mind, you said top 11.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Pointguard
08-02-2016, 10:47 AM
That still wouldn't change the basis of the OP, even if he had won MVP's those other years, he'd only have won MVP & FMVP in 1967, had the award been given out then of course
I was talking about Russell, not Wilt.