TheWinningFam
08-02-2016, 07:52 PM
Superstar Impact.
Lebron was drafted to a team that went 17-65 the previous year.. but it all changed from there...
lebron turned a 17-65 team into a 35-47 team his rookie year, thats a 16 win difference DOUBLE of ordan's 8 win improvment
In year 2 Lebron enforced his brand of basketball and improved the team even MORE winning this time 42-40 but failed to make the playoffs due to a strong east at the time..
In lebron's third year he FINALLY broke through winning 50 games and getting his team to the playsoff and guess what? he WON his first playoff series something ordan just couldn't do..
Otoh, curry drafted with the 6th pick in the 2009 draft caused his team to decline record wise, going from 29 wins to 26 wins the following rookie year. Despite having the luxury of developing his skill in college for years.
In year 2, the warriors were able to improve with the help from monta ellis. improving to a 36 win team.
In year 3, Mark jackson in an attempt to enforce curry ball turned the team into a 23-43 disaster.
Team standpoint wise.
Lebron Has been able to accomplish alot with less in his career, taking scrubs to the 2007 finals, winning 66 games in 09 this was tough work.
Otoh, curry has benefited from being around good management almost his entire career, his front office was able to build up a team from the draft, as well as lure a top 5 player in durant, We all saw how well he did before he got a decent supporting cast compared to lebron, Lets just consider this for a second, Two straight finals without a single FMVP vote.
As seen early in the series curry could get away with having sub-par performances and his team still won by 10-15,
Stats matchup
Lebron outplayed curry not only in finals wins but just overall in their 2 finals meetings.
2012 Finals game 5 stat line - 26-11-13 on 56% TS%
2013 Finals game 7 stat line - 37-4-12 on a GOAT level 69.8% TS%
2016 Finals game 7 stat line - 27-11-11 on 48% TS%
Now compare that to curry's constant under performance in the finals compared to the regular season..
2016 finals- 22-5-4 on 44% fg%
This was due to curry not being able to perform under pressure, and NOT due to injury, we know this because.
1. Steph is injury prone has a long history of sprains with multiple surgeries
2. Steph's fragile ankles wouldn't allow him to stop on a dime/keep up with Ariza
3. Steph had bad court awareness after seeing Montie fall and drove right through a wet spot, tweaking his knee
4. Multiple sources say it was a grade 1 MCL, 2 weeks fully heal, "he was lucky"
5. Steph came back from injury and played 9 games averaging 31, 8, 7, 48%fg before playing Cleveland where he struggled at 22, 5, 4, 40%fg
6. Steph is a sub par Playoff and Finals performer compared to his regular season
7. GSW front office signed Durant as insurance, specifically banking on Steph's next upcoming injury
Analysis and Ring totals
With a top front office headed by Jerry the logo west himself, aswell as being able to team up with a top 5 player in durant, Also lets not forget, even with lebron elevating the warriors to 50+ win totals they would STILL be in the position to draft draymond green, as well as klay thompson, they would have been able to get iggy aswell.
I'd say at the least lebron would win 6 straight rings with this group, a superior supporting cast+ All of that 3 point shooting would be a dynasty, We know this because lebron's brand of basketball meshes well with anyone and thrives off spacing.
We know that lebron would win 6 straight because, he won 3 in 5 years with tougher opponents and a lesser supporting cast than curry's. and only lost when his teammates played washed up or injured.
Curry benefited from playing injured teams all year in the 15 playoffs, Choked in the 15 finals garnering 0 FMVP votes, then choked again in the 16 playoffs when facing tougher competition.despite given 3 chances to have atleast a decent finals game.
Otoh, curry would have 0 rings as of today, The cavaliers aren't as great when it comes to drafting until they were able to acquire griffin, Curry and kyrie's playstyles would not work, Also without 3 top 10 defenders behind him, his brand of basketball would be exposed.We know this because in the 2016 finals, when he was forced to play defense things like this occurred.
https://i.imgflip.com/17hglh.gif (https://imgflip.com/gif/17hglh)
The Outlier.
Keep in mind, curry has gotten up to this point by hiding behind 3 top 10 defenders as well as playing hurt teams,Had irving not gone down in the 2015 finals, the cavs would have likely won in 5-6 We Know this because despite having a 3-1 lead in the finals with a concussed kevin love, once irving/love stepped up the cavs easily won 3 straight games.
Also keep in mind Kyrie irving was injured in game 6 with a foot injury, this was hidden from the warriors and media to prevent them from gaining an unfair advantage. ALSO, lebron went down with a broken wrist injury, with all of this curry was still not able to put the cavs away in game 7 at HOME..
Lebron was drafted to a team that went 17-65 the previous year.. but it all changed from there...
lebron turned a 17-65 team into a 35-47 team his rookie year, thats a 16 win difference DOUBLE of ordan's 8 win improvment
In year 2 Lebron enforced his brand of basketball and improved the team even MORE winning this time 42-40 but failed to make the playoffs due to a strong east at the time..
In lebron's third year he FINALLY broke through winning 50 games and getting his team to the playsoff and guess what? he WON his first playoff series something ordan just couldn't do..
Otoh, curry drafted with the 6th pick in the 2009 draft caused his team to decline record wise, going from 29 wins to 26 wins the following rookie year. Despite having the luxury of developing his skill in college for years.
In year 2, the warriors were able to improve with the help from monta ellis. improving to a 36 win team.
In year 3, Mark jackson in an attempt to enforce curry ball turned the team into a 23-43 disaster.
Team standpoint wise.
Lebron Has been able to accomplish alot with less in his career, taking scrubs to the 2007 finals, winning 66 games in 09 this was tough work.
Otoh, curry has benefited from being around good management almost his entire career, his front office was able to build up a team from the draft, as well as lure a top 5 player in durant, We all saw how well he did before he got a decent supporting cast compared to lebron, Lets just consider this for a second, Two straight finals without a single FMVP vote.
As seen early in the series curry could get away with having sub-par performances and his team still won by 10-15,
Stats matchup
Lebron outplayed curry not only in finals wins but just overall in their 2 finals meetings.
2012 Finals game 5 stat line - 26-11-13 on 56% TS%
2013 Finals game 7 stat line - 37-4-12 on a GOAT level 69.8% TS%
2016 Finals game 7 stat line - 27-11-11 on 48% TS%
Now compare that to curry's constant under performance in the finals compared to the regular season..
2016 finals- 22-5-4 on 44% fg%
This was due to curry not being able to perform under pressure, and NOT due to injury, we know this because.
1. Steph is injury prone has a long history of sprains with multiple surgeries
2. Steph's fragile ankles wouldn't allow him to stop on a dime/keep up with Ariza
3. Steph had bad court awareness after seeing Montie fall and drove right through a wet spot, tweaking his knee
4. Multiple sources say it was a grade 1 MCL, 2 weeks fully heal, "he was lucky"
5. Steph came back from injury and played 9 games averaging 31, 8, 7, 48%fg before playing Cleveland where he struggled at 22, 5, 4, 40%fg
6. Steph is a sub par Playoff and Finals performer compared to his regular season
7. GSW front office signed Durant as insurance, specifically banking on Steph's next upcoming injury
Analysis and Ring totals
With a top front office headed by Jerry the logo west himself, aswell as being able to team up with a top 5 player in durant, Also lets not forget, even with lebron elevating the warriors to 50+ win totals they would STILL be in the position to draft draymond green, as well as klay thompson, they would have been able to get iggy aswell.
I'd say at the least lebron would win 6 straight rings with this group, a superior supporting cast+ All of that 3 point shooting would be a dynasty, We know this because lebron's brand of basketball meshes well with anyone and thrives off spacing.
We know that lebron would win 6 straight because, he won 3 in 5 years with tougher opponents and a lesser supporting cast than curry's. and only lost when his teammates played washed up or injured.
Curry benefited from playing injured teams all year in the 15 playoffs, Choked in the 15 finals garnering 0 FMVP votes, then choked again in the 16 playoffs when facing tougher competition.despite given 3 chances to have atleast a decent finals game.
Otoh, curry would have 0 rings as of today, The cavaliers aren't as great when it comes to drafting until they were able to acquire griffin, Curry and kyrie's playstyles would not work, Also without 3 top 10 defenders behind him, his brand of basketball would be exposed.We know this because in the 2016 finals, when he was forced to play defense things like this occurred.
https://i.imgflip.com/17hglh.gif (https://imgflip.com/gif/17hglh)
The Outlier.
Keep in mind, curry has gotten up to this point by hiding behind 3 top 10 defenders as well as playing hurt teams,Had irving not gone down in the 2015 finals, the cavs would have likely won in 5-6 We Know this because despite having a 3-1 lead in the finals with a concussed kevin love, once irving/love stepped up the cavs easily won 3 straight games.
Also keep in mind Kyrie irving was injured in game 6 with a foot injury, this was hidden from the warriors and media to prevent them from gaining an unfair advantage. ALSO, lebron went down with a broken wrist injury, with all of this curry was still not able to put the cavs away in game 7 at HOME..