Obama shortens terms for 214 prisoners; 67 had life sentence

[1987_Lakers]

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama on Wednesday cut short the sentences of 214 federal inmates, including 67 life sentences, in what the White House called the largest batch of commutations on a single day in more than a century.

Almost all the prisoners were serving time for nonviolent crimes related to cocaine, methamphetamine or other drugs, although a few were charged with firearms violations related to their drug activities. Almost all are men, though they represent a diverse cross-section of America geographically.

Obama's push to lessen the burden on nonviolent drug offenders reflects his long-stated view that the U.S. needs to remedy the consequences of decades of onerous sentencing requirements that put tens of thousands behind bars for far too long. Obama has used the aggressive pace of his commutations to increase pressure on Congress to pass a broader fix and to call more attention to the issue.

One of the inmates, Dicky Joe Jackson of Texas, was given a life sentence in 1996 for methamphetamine violations and for being a felon with an unlicensed gun. He told the ACLU in a 2013 report that a death sentence would have been preferable, adding, "I wish it were over, even if it meant I were dead."

Another recipient, Debra Brown of Tennessee, was convicted of selling cocaine in 2002 and sentenced to 20 years. Both Brown's and Jackson's sentences will now end Dec. 1, along with most of the rest of those receiving commutations Wednesday.

All told, Obama has commuted 562 sentences during his presidency — more than the past nine presidents combined, the White House said. Almost 200 of those who have benefited were serving life sentences.

"All of the individuals receiving commutation today — incarcerated under outdated and unduly harsh sentencing laws — embody the president's belief that 'America is a nation of second chances,'" White House counsel Neil Eggleston wrote in a blog post.

Eggleston said Obama examines each clemency application on its specific merits to identify the appropriate relief, including whether the prisoner would be helped by additional drug treatment, educational programming or counseling. He called on Congress to finally pass a criminal justice overhaul to bring about "lasting change to the federal system."

Presidents tend to use their powers to commute sentences or issue pardons more frequently at the end of their presidencies, and Obama administration officials said the rapid pace would continue during Obama's final months.

"We are not done yet," Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates said. "We expect that many more men and women will be given a second chance through the clemency initiative."

Though there's broad bipartisan support for a criminal justice overhaul, what had looked like a promising legislative opportunity for Obama's final year has mostly fizzled. As with Obama's other priorities, the intensely political climate of the presidential election year has confounded efforts by Republicans and Democratic in Congress to find consensus.

Obama has long called for phasing out strict sentences for drug offenses, arguing they lead to excessive punishment and incarceration rates unseen in other developed countries. With Obama's support, the Justice Department in recent years has directed prosecutors to rein in the use of harsh mandatory minimums.

The Obama administration has also expanded criteria for inmates applying for clemency, prioritizing nonviolent offenders who have behaved well in prison, aren't closely tied to gangs and would have received shorter sentences if they had been convicted a few years later.

Civil liberties groups praised that policy change but have pushed the Obama administration to grant commutations at a faster pace. The Clemency Resource Center, part of NYU School of Law, said more than 11,000 petitions are pending at the Justice Department and that the group believes 1,500 of them meet the administration's criteria to be granted.

But the calls for greater clemency have sometimes sparked accusations from Obama's opponents that he's too soft on crime, an argument that is particularly resonant this year as presidential candidates Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton trade claims about who is best positioned to keep the country safe.

"Many people will use words today like leniency and mercy," said Kevin Ring of the group Families Against Mandatory Minimums. "But what really happened is that a group of fellow citizens finally got the punishment they deserved. Not less, but at long last, not more."
http://bigstory.ap.org/00730a0d5d974b288eef9b7d61b8a625
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[nathanjizzle]

my niggah!

[~primetime~]

Our prisons are fcking flooded...so shorting sentences of non violent offenders isn't so bad

[bdreason]

The drug laws in this Country are archaic. We have guys serving 10 year sentences for getting caught with coke, while pedophiles are rapists get 6 months.

[highwhey]

That's why you do coke in Mexico. Cop saw my buddy buying coke outside of an Oxxo and he followed us to our hotel. Had a rifle pointed at us. $100 later, we were doing key bumps uninterrupted.

[Akrazotile]

Absolutely agree with the nonviolent drug offense pardons.

We should be locking up violent criminals a lot longer, and drug offenders a lot shorter.

[9erempiree]

$100 later, we were doing key bumps uninterrupted.

I understand why Mexicans want to be Americans now.

On a side note...stop doing drugs.

[highwhey]

I understand why Mexicans want to be Americans now.

On a side note...stop doing drugs.
Think I've only done it twice. Not much of a fan. Give me a brew anytime.

[sd3035]

That's why you do coke in Mexico. Cop saw my buddy buying coke outside of an Oxxo and he followed us to our hotel. Had a rifle pointed at us. $100 later, we were doing key bumps uninterrupted.

Cops don't care much about users anyways unless you're committing other crimes. Dealers are the ones who get in trouble

[highwhey]

Cops don't care much about users anyways unless you're committing other crimes. Dealers are the ones who get in trouble
yeah. same city (rocky point), i got some dome on the side of a municipal police station. met this b1tch at a nightclub, said she was a kindergarten teacher...i don't think them kids are receiving a good education :lol

at the same time tho, i feel like i've gotten away with a lot of stuff in mexico and it's only a matter of time before i actually get in trouble. i stay away.

[red1]

Good. Punishing people so excessively for drug related crimes is disgusting and evil.

[~primetime~]

Let's not get carried away though, if you're flooding the streets with heroin you need to be punished. Some countries are completely ruined by that shit, we shouldn't be tolerant of it.

[Akrazotile]

Let's not get carried away though, if you're flooding the streets with heroin you need to be punished. Some countries are completely ruined by that shit, we shouldn't be tolerant of it.


If there is a market for it, people are going to find a way to get it. They made alcohol illegal and all it did was drive up organized crime while people still drank booze. Same thing goes on with heroine.

The ROOT of the problem is the demand. Why are so many people turning to drugs? That's the issue to address.

It's the same shit with enormous healthcare and education costs. These things have gotten way out of hand. We have to identify WHY they are so expensive and how we can reduce the inflated aspects of the costs. But instead it's just "who cares why theyre outrageously expensive, just tax people and have the government pay!" :facepalm


It's like, hardly anyone is interested in identifying causes and preventing problems. Just want to try and spend our way out of them once they happen. Which makes special interests and government very happy. But is a pitifully ineffective solution for ordinary tax payers to support.

[iamgine]

If there is a market for it, people are going to find a way to get it.
Less though. The tougher the restriction, the less people are going to get it, and even the ones who gets it will buy in less quantity.

This applies to any product.

[~primetime~]

If there is a market for it, people are going to find a way to get it. They made alcohol illegal and all it did was drive up organized crime while people still drank booze. Same thing goes on with heroine.

The ROOT of the problem is the demand. Why are so many people turning to drugs? That's the issue to address.

It's the same shit with enormous healthcare and education costs. These things have gotten way out of hand. We have to identify WHY they are so expensive and how we can reduce the inflated aspects of the costs. But instead it's just "who cares why theyre outrageously expensive, just tax people and have the government pay!" :facepalm


It's like, hardly anyone is interested in identifying causes and preventing problems. Just want to try and spend our way out of them once they happen. Which makes special interests and government very happy. But is a pitifully ineffective solution for ordinary tax payers to support.
It doesn't matter what the demand is, the suppliers are in the bad too. Heroin destroys lives, families...most of these guys are heartless fcks, not angels.

Look at Singapore....zero tolerance for drug use, the result? Drug use doesn't exist there.

Contrary to what many think, laws actually do affect demand, and use.

Pot use basically doubled in states where it became legal.



All that said, violent crimes should be the harsher sentence, I don't have on issue with Obama here, just saying, heroin dealers can all be executed as far as I'm concerned, fck em.

[highwhey]

It doesn't matter what the demand is, the suppliers are in the bad too. Heroin destroys lives, families...most of these guys are heartless fcks, not angels.

Look at Singapore....zero tolerance for drug use, the result? Drug use doesn't exist there.

Contrary to what many think, laws actually do affect demand, and use.

Pot use basically doubled in states where it became legal.



All that said, violent crimes should be the harsher sentence, I don't have on issue with Obama here, just saying, heroin dealers can all be executed as far as I'm concerned, fck em.
so MD's and pharmaceutical companies as well? IIRC, US is #1 in prescribing opiates...aka synthetic heroin. Many prominent Doctors have mentioned that in our nation, medical practitioners are over-prescribing opiates. In some states, access to opiates is easier than heroin so the junkies have switched over to opiates.

[~primetime~]

so MD's and pharmaceutical companies as well? IIRC, US is #1 in prescribing opiates...aka synthetic heroin. Many prominent Doctors have mentioned that in our nation, medical practitioners are over-prescribing opiates. In some states, access to opiates is easier than heroin so the junkies have switched over to opiates.
Yep, that's why we currently have a heroin epidemic , because it's legal!

Scrip opiates have actually been cracked down on though, they are hard to get now, you basically need surgery.

Used to be you could go to your doc and say "my back hurts I need opiates" and bam.

[highwhey]

Yep, that's why we currently have a heroin epidemic , because it's legal!

Scrip opiates have actually been cracked down on though, they are hard to get now, you basically need surgery.

Used to be you could go to your doc and say "my back hurts I need opiates" and bam.
hold on while i search the npr articles on how some east coast state is suffering from an opiate overdose epidemic. the dea did crack down through various methods, in fact, i worked at a pharmacy and i know just how stringent dispensing controlled substances are, the pharmacist has them in a locked cabinet. his initials go on every script, order forms are special, expired opiate pills must be written down, counted, and returned to distributor for incineration, if an opiate pill is accidentally thrown on the ground, the world must stop spinning while the pharmacist locates is and writes down the incident, etc. yet we continue to have opiate overdoses.

and fyi, cancer patients/elderly patients can get a script for opiates very easily.

[~primetime~]

hold on while i search the npr articles on how some east coast state is suffering from an opiate overdose epidemic. the dea did crack down through various methods, in fact, i worked at a pharmacy and i know just how stringent dispensing controlled substances are, the pharmacist has them in a locked cabinet. his initials go on every script, order forms are special, expired opiate pills must be written down, counted, and returned to distributor for incineration, if an opiate pill is accidentally thrown on the ground, the world must stop spinning while the pharmacist locates is and writes down the incident, etc. yet we continue to have opiate overdoses.

and fyi, cancer patients/elderly patients can get a script for opiates very easily.
Cancer patients should obviously.

This country has a massive prescription problem, it's off the charts. Not just with opiates but with damn near everything.

Too many people want to solve their problems with a fckin pill.

[highwhey]

Cancer patients should obviously.

This country has a massive prescription problem, it's off the charts. Not just with opiates but with damn near everything.

Too many people want to solve their problems with a fckin pill.
i'm just past the whole war on drugs when you can legally gain a script to an alternative street drug.

meth addict? go to an MD and complain about difficulties focusing. amphetamine rx coming up.

heroin addict? get into a car accident or break a bone, opiate rx coming up.

yet we have the DEA pressuring anyone caught in possession with 10-20 year sentences. :facepalm

[highwhey]

Cancer patients should obviously.

This country has a massive prescription problem, it's off the charts. Not just with opiates but with damn near everything.

Too many people want to solve their problems with a fckin pill.


But at the end of his second year, the 27-year-old M.D.-Ph.D. student could not remember any class dedicated to addiction medicine. Then he recalled skipping class months earlier. Reviewing his syllabus, he realized he had missed the sole lecture dedicated to that topic.

"I wasn't tested on it," Goodman says, with a note of surprise.

Americans are overdosing on opioids such as heroin and prescribed painkillers at epidemic rates, and the nation's doctors appear to be inadequately prepared to help

Since then, the number of Americans overdosing from prescribed opioids has surpassed 14,000 per year, quadrupling from 1999 to 2014.


http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/07/27/487394411/as-opioid-epidemic-surges-medical-schools-must-change-to-keep-pace

an article from a week ago.

[~primetime~]

i'm just past the whole war on drugs when you can legally gain a script to an alternative street drug.

meth addict? go to an MD and complain about difficulties focusing. amphetamine rx coming up.

heroin addict? get into a car accident or break a bone, opiate rx coming up.

yet we have the DEA pressuring anyone caught in possession with 10-20 year sentences. :facepalm
I can't disagree

Possession shouldn't be shit really

ANYTHING pot related shouldn't be shit, and that's starting to happen.


Heroin and coke dealers can die in a fire though, as far as I'm concerned...If we need to make room in prison for more killers? Fine, but I'm not going to actually defend that scum.

[highwhey]

I can't disagree

Possession shouldn't be shit really

ANYTHING pot related shouldn't be shit, and that's starting to happen.


Heroin and coke dealers can die in a fire though, as far as I'm concerned...If we need to make room in prison for more killers? Fine, but I'm not going to actually defend that scum.
I won't defend hard-drug dealers. But I believe the government should crack down equally on over-prescribers and drug dealers. Almost synonymous, minus the MD.

[~primetime~]

I won't defend hard-drug dealers. But I believe the government should crack down equally on over-prescribers and drug dealers. Almost synonymous, minus the MD.
I can't disagree

If there are doctors that have multiple opiate OD patients because of their careless prescribing then they should be punished.

[Dresta]

Let's not get carried away though, if you're flooding the streets with heroin you need to be punished. Some countries are completely ruined by that shit, we shouldn't be tolerant of it.
"non-violent" offenders sounds nice, but those people with life sentences are likely to be serious criminals. Just because they were caught and charged with having kilos of coke and heroin, doesn't mean they weren't violent--indeed, people dealing with those drugs in those quantities almost have to be violent.


This just fits with Obama's long-established trend of favouring criminals over the law-abiding--he's been doing this shit his whole career (making excuses for criminality and violence, undermining the security and safety of the law-abiding).

[Akrazotile]

It doesn't matter what the demand is, the suppliers are in the bad too. Heroin destroys lives, families...most of these guys are heartless fcks, not angels.

Look at Singapore....zero tolerance for drug use, the result? Drug use doesn't exist there.

Contrary to what many think, laws actually do affect demand, and use.

Pot use basically doubled in states where it became legal.



Fair points, but I think if there are no other charges BUT trafficking and they have a relatively clean criminal history, sentences should be much lighter. Cant put someone in prison for life bc they sold something to someone who wanted to buy it. Thats much less serious IMO than either violent crimes or white collar fraud crimes against unknowing/unwilling/defenseless victims.

[Akrazotile]

"non-violent" offenders sounds nice, but those people with life sentences are likely to be serious criminals. Just because they were caught and charged with having kilos of coke and heroin, doesn't mean they weren't violent--indeed, people dealing with those drugs in those quantities almost have to be violent.


This just fits with Obama's long-established trend of favouring criminals over the law-abiding--he's been doing this shit his whole career (making excuses for criminality and violence, undermining the security and safety of the law-abiding).


First paragraph: In general I think youre right, but there are also dealers who are pretty low key, ordinary people just making extra money without getting tied up in gang shit. Even some tommy chong type pacifist hippies buy a bunch of drugs and drive around to music festivals selling it and shit.

Second paragraph: Definitely agree about Obama. He doesnt mind doing the bidding for big (white owned) corporations to prop up his own career and legacy. But on a personal level he seems to really resent the social order. Which is much different than simply striving to improve it. He's looking to spite it.

[senelcoolidge]

What a coincidence just in time for the elections. These people have no shame. :facepalm

[9erempiree]

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[DeuceWallaces]

"non-violent" offenders sounds nice, but those people with life sentences are likely to be serious criminals. Just because they were caught and charged with having kilos of coke and heroin, doesn't mean they weren't violent--indeed, people dealing with those drugs in those quantities almost have to be violent.


This just fits with Obama's long-established trend of favouring criminals over the law-abiding--he's been doing this shit his whole career (making excuses for criminality and violence, undermining the security and safety of the law-abiding).

Add drug dealers to the never ending list of shit you know nothing about.

[Dresta]

Add drug dealers to the never ending list of shit you know nothing about.
I wouldn't expect your pampered little soul to know anything about drug dealers. You are, after all, a guy who thinks that people can't get hold of guns if they're illegal--you obviously know nothing about organised crime.

And yes, I met nice, good-natured dealers, who were only harmless hippies, but most of the coke dealing is done by the local Asian gangs (this in London and Birmingham, the only places where I have a network of what could be called "street" contacts); in fact, the harmless ones tended purposely not to make a habit out of dealing life-destroying drugs like cocaine and heroin--the specific wording of this would be "i can get it for you once or twice, but I don't want to be responsible for that shit." They stick to mdma, acid, weed, hash, etc. for the most part.

Yes, you obviously know nothing about these things, because the only drug-dealer you've probably dealt with is some good-natured hippy. But if you want large quantities of coke or smack you need criminal contacts (unless you get it online, which is a newish thing), and you usually have to go to f*cked up, dirty, and squalid places, that you know are full of criminal activity the moment you step inside them. You have no experience on this matter, so shut up, and stick to playing with your plants.

[Dresta]

First paragraph: In general I think youre right, but there are also dealers who are pretty low key, ordinary people just making extra money without getting tied up in gang shit. Even some tommy chong type pacifist hippies buy a bunch of drugs and drive around to music festivals selling it and shit.

Second paragraph: Definitely agree about Obama. He doesnt mind doing the bidding for big (white owned) corporations to prop up his own career and legacy. But on a personal level he seems to really resent the social order. Which is much different than simply striving to improve it. He's looking to spite it.
Yes, i agree. But there is a big difference between these guys and the networked gangs that run courier services to people's door at whatever hour of the night. You know it the minute you deal with them.

[warriorfan]

Dresta is an expert on drug dealing and criminal enterprises, he watched Scarface

[9erempiree]

Get out of jail free card.

[NumberSix]

This is like letting Al Capone out and saying "what's the big deal? he's in for tax evasion. It's a non-violent crime"