Do people realize if LeBron only had a 'little' help in 2014 and 2015 he wins 5 stra.

[Dray n Klay]

Straight championships from 2012-2016?




Wade didn't even resemble an NBA player in the 2014 Finals. Dude was washed up.



And LeBron's 2nd option in 2015 was an Australian backup who was on Life support after Game 3



He had scrubs on his roster both years,Not even a bit of help. I'm talking 2008 Heat without Wade type of bad rosters.








Give LeBron even a bit more help in 2014 and 2015, lets say a Kyle Lowry type player, and he wins 5 straight from 2012-2016 with 5x FMVPs :biggums:






That 2014 and 2015 Finals supporting cast were 2 of the worst teams in recent memory.




So do you guys realize LeBron was just a little help away from 5 straight rings and 5 FMVPs?






There's never been a player who was BY FAR the best player in a Finals series and still lose like LeBron in 2014 and 2015

[NZStreetBaller]

If kobe had a little more help in 2008 hed have six.

If the spurs had a little more help in 2013 theyd have six.

If the warriors had a little more help last finals theyd have another.

Wether u win by an inch or a mile. Winning is winning.

[Dray n Klay]

If kobe had a little more help in 2008 hed have six.




Kobe had more than enough help






Gasol averaged 15/10 in the 2008 Finals on 53% from the field


Odom averaged 14/9 on 51% FG






Kobe had plenty of help, not Odom and Gasols fault Kobe was shooting 40% from the field :confusedshrug:




Face it everytime Kobe lost, he played like shit





The difference is LeBron clearly dominates but still loses cause his teammates are trash

[warriorfan]

Something else was little

[NZStreetBaller]

Well then lebron had enough help to get him close enough. This is stupid.

[Dray n Klay]

Well then lebron had enough help to get him close enough. This is stupid.

No Kyrie got injured in Game 1 of the Finals in 2015 so he didnt have his full team then, another one of your arguments are wrong :lol


And Wade played much worse in the Finals than in the first 3 rounds.



So technically he didnt have the same teams in the Finals, as the teams that got him there.

[bobopenguin]

bron stans would say anything just to show how good they are at sucking lebron's dick. :applause:

[Bankaii]

Well then lebron had enough help to get him close enough. This is stupid.
No your post is stupid.

His "help" in 2015 got hurt in the 1st round and game 1 of the Finals.
In 2014 he was just insane and carried that Heat team to the Finals. Even Wade fans will admit he was absolute trash that entire postseason run for the most part.

[SouBeachTalents]

No your post is stupid.

His "help" in 2015 got hurt in the 1st round and game 1 of the Finals.
In 2014 he was just insane and carried that Heat team to the Finals. Even Wade fans will admit he was absolute trash that entire postseason run for the most part.

Nah, Wade was actually a lot better in the '14 playoffs than he was in '13. It's just the Finals were reversed, Wade played pretty well and had some big games in the '13 Finals, but he was atrocious in the '14 Finals, and literally played like a scrub in Games 4 & 5

[warriorfan]

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[Dray n Klay]

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/maurybrown/files/2015/06/NBAFInalsMVPVoteResults.jpg

[warriorfan]

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/maurybrown/files/2015/06/NBAFInalsMVPVoteResults.jpg

ESPN, Yahoo, Bleacher Report, Akron Beacon Journal...

[NZStreetBaller]

No Kyrie got injured in Game 1 of the Finals in 2015 so he didnt have his full team then, another one of your arguments are wrong :lol


And Wade played much worse in the Finals than in the first 3 rounds.



So technically he didnt have the same teams in the Finals, as the teams that got him there.

Were the warriors full strength and every player playing their best throughout the finals. If we can use injury and not playing great as an excuse and all. We might as well use an even playing field and give the same excuse to everyone else.

[TheWinningFam]

ESPN, Yahoo, Bleacher Report, Akron Beacon Journal...

More credible than a troll on ish 24/7 :yaohappy:

[NZStreetBaller]

No your post is stupid.

His "help" in 2015 got hurt in the 1st round and game 1 of the Finals.
In 2014 he was just insane and carried that Heat team to the Finals. Even Wade fans will admit he was absolute trash that entire postseason run for the most part.

Kyrie being present in 2015 does not guarantee lebron a title.... u cant do basic math in basketball which us played by humans. Quit trying to apply basic black and white math to finals outcomes

[Bankaii]

Nah, Wade was actually a lot better in the '14 playoffs than he was in '13. It's just the Finals were reversed, Wade played pretty well and had some big games in the '13 Finals, but he was atrocious in the '14 Finals, and literally played like a scrub in Games 4 & 5
To each is own I guess, I'd personally take 2013 Wade over 2014 though.
At least he had some big moments like the streak, a couple huge games in the Finals, etc. and his defense was better.

In 2014 he was just sluggish and his age was completely obvious. Not to mention the Finals.

[chazzy]

They got absolutely destroyed in 2014.

[Dray n Klay]

They got absolutely destroyed in 2014.

Yet LeBron was BY FAR the best player in the series


28/8/4 on 57% from the field 68% TS



Kawhi won FMVP for averaging 17/6/2 lmao

[Bankaii]

Kyrie being present in 2015 does not guarantee lebron a title.... u cant do basic math in basketball which us played by humans. Quit trying to apply basic black and white math to finals outcomes
Kyrie was already 80% heading into the Finals.
This past Finals alone should've proven with Kyrie Cavs win, especially with the Warriors being a lesser version of themselves in 2015.

[NZStreetBaller]

Kyrie was already 80% heading into the Finals.
This past Finals alone should've proven with Kyrie Cavs win, especially with the Warriors being a lesser version of themselves in 2015.

Should...... but it doesnt. You cant confirm anything. Its just a matter of what ifs because of this and that etc.

If bogut and draymond had been present all finals and everyone played their best the warriors may have still won 2016.

See how stupid it is??

[Bankaii]

Should...... but it doesnt. You cant confirm anything. Its just a matter of what ifs because of this and that etc.

If bogut and draymond had been present all finals and everyone played their best the warriors may have still won 2016.

See how stupid it is??
It's only stupid because that's how you're making it.

You're comparing Draymond missing 1 game and a role player that plays 12 mpg and wasn't even on the floor in the 4th quarter to Lebron's 2nd and 3rd options missing the entire finals.

Quit being facetious.

[warriorfan]

It's only stupid because that's how you're making it.

You're comparing Draymond missing 1 game and a role player that plays 12 mpg and wasn't even on the floor in the 4th quarter to Lebron's 2nd and 3rd options missing the entire finals.

Quit being facetious.

Steph Curry1 and Golden State's three best defender's were either injured or out of commission. (Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala, Andrew Bogut)

Kyrie was a huge loss for Cleveland in 2015. However Kevin Love missing in 2015 was not as big of a hindrance as you are portraying.

If you remember, while both teams were at full strength, Cleveland got blown out twice in a row in games 1 and 2. The first turn of the tide was in game 3 where Cleveland secured their first win, without Kevin Love playing a single minute (Game 3 of the 2016 Finals (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201606080CLE.html))

At the end of the 2016 Finals, Kevin Love averaged only 8 points a game on 47% True Shooting (Statistics of the 2016 Finals (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2016-nba-finals-cavaliers-vs-warriors.html)). And these numbers were also boosted due to the fact that Draymond Green and Andrew Bogut were out of commission due to suspension and injury.

Basketball is a game of matchups and Kevin Love has proven himself to not be effective against the matchups that a healthy Golden State team produces.

So due to the ineffectiveness of Kevin Love against Golden State due to matchup problems, Golden State of 2016 was more depleted than the Cleveland team of 2015. (Golden State's best player was compromised. Golden State's best defender missed a crucial close out game. Golden State's rim protector missed 1 and a half games. Golden State's best perimeter defender and previous year's FMVP was extremely disabled for at least one game, more likely two.)


References:
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Stephen Curry is reportedly not playing at 100% health, and it may explain why he has struggled to find his MVP form

The Vertical's Adrian Wojnarowski reported that Curry — who missed four games earlier in the playoffs with a right knee sprain — was still beaten up physically.



"He's playing at 70 percent, at best," a source close to Curry told The Vertical. Curry refuses to make excuses, but we see something — no explosion, no ability to make the bigs switching onto him pay a price.

[Bankaii]

Steph Curry1 and Golden State's three best defender's were either injured or out of commission. (Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala, Andrew Bogut)

Kyrie was a huge loss for Cleveland in 2015. However Kevin Love missing in 2015 was not as big of a hindrance as you are portraying.

If you remember, while both teams were at full strength, Cleveland got blown out twice in a row in games 1 and 2. The first turn of the tide was in game 3 where Cleveland secured their first win, without Kevin Love playing a single minute (Game 3 of the 2016 Finals (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201606080CLE.html))

At the end of the 2016 Finals, Kevin Love averaged only 8 points a game on 47% True Shooting (Statistics of the 2016 Finals (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2016-nba-finals-cavaliers-vs-warriors.html)). And these numbers were also boosted due to the fact that Draymond Green and Andrew Bogut were out of commission due to suspension and injury.

Basketball is a game of matchups and Kevin Love has proven himself to not be effective against the matchups that a healthy Golden State team produces.

So due to the ineffectiveness of Kevin Love against Golden State due to matchup problems, Golden State of 2016 was more depleted than the Cleveland team of 2015. (Golden State's best player was compromised. Golden State's best defender missed a crucial close out game. Golden State's rim protector missed 1 and a half games. Golden State's best perimeter defender and previous year's FMVP was extremely disabled for at least one game, more likely two.)


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I didn't read a drop of this copy/paste bullshit.

Curry was healthy, Draymond got himself suspended, Bogut wasn't as nearly big of a loss as you're trying to make it.

GSW loss because Lebron/Kyrie were simply too good. Period.

[TommyGriffin]

Warriorfan is nothing short of irrefutable.