In all honesty, Kobe has been disrespected lately.

[ClipperRevival]

If he had stopped winning after his first 3 peat as 2nd fiddle and just put up great individual stats for the rest of his career, you could class him in the Pippen category. But he proved his class later, going to 3 straight finals as "the man" and winning 2 rings along with 2 fmvp along with a regular season mvp. His playoff run in 2009 gets seriously underrated as he was masterful throughout the playoffs.

And at his absolute best, you can argue he was the most devastating perimeter scorer ever. 81 and 62. Yeah, he could've been more selective with his shots and been more efficient but in the end, he still did it better than almost anyone in history outside of a select few. Great two way player, one of the most skilled and fundamentally sound players ever, clutch, killer instinct, and maybe the best "worst" shot maker ever.

I know right now, his horrible last few seasons are fresh in our memory but let's show him some respect.

[Dray n Klay]

We're calling him one of the best 12-15 players in the history of basketball



How the f*ck is that disrespecting him?? :roll: :roll:

[Akrazotile]

If he had stopped winning after his first 3 peat as 2nd fiddle and just put up great individual stats for the rest of his career, you could class him in the Pippen category. But he proved his class later, going to 3 straight finals as "the man" and winning 2 rings along with 2 fmvp along with a regular season mvp. His playoff run in 2009 gets seriously underrated as he was masterful throughout the playoffs.

And at his absolute best, you can argue he was the most devastating perimeter scorer ever. 81 and 62. Yeah, he could've been more selective with his shots and been more efficient but in the end, he still did it better than almost anyone in history outside of a select few. Great two way player, one of the most skilled and fundamentally sound players ever, clutch, killer instinct, and maybe the best "worst" shot maker ever.

I know right now, his horrible last few seasons are fresh in our memory but let's show him some respect.


The problem is when he doesnt have a stacked cast his killer instinct gets turned against his own team like an auto-immune disorder.

[JebronLames]

No shame in being #12. He didn't have the It factor to be a top 10 guy. Not his fault, he just wasn't born with it.

[Doranku]

It's really only the unbearable LeBron stans that disrespect him. And that's only like, a total of three different people anyway.

This forum is all they have in life. Let them have their fun. :confusedshrug:

[Spurs m8]

Good.

Karma is a b*tch.

[FKAri]

He just had the most spectacular retirement tour and send off of any player in NBA history, by far. Some ISH clowns calling him 12be is a drop in the ocean of opinion.

[Im Still Ballin]

Kobe is disrespected like how DC is disrespected in the Comic Book Movie genre today... Harsh, but true

[Mr Feeny]

What do you want people to do? Overrate him because we watched him for 20 years and we should have a soft spot for him?

The guy played 20 season, not one of which he shot 47% in. He ended the last 2 seasons shooting 37% and 35%. He took 50 shots in his last game, showing that after 2 decades of playing, he still doesn't get it and believes everything is about him.

He's a 40% finals scorer, a 25% finals game 7 scorer and a 39% elimination game scorer.
He's a scorer first and yet has less 40 point playoff games than lebron does. He has one 40 point games in 20 years while lebron (for example) doubled that in 3 days.

He's a career 44.7%fg and 32.9%3fg scorer and he sabotaged his team's chances of winning in several instances because if sheer selfishness and stupidity. 2004 was a disgrace. Game 7 of 2006 where he took 1 shot in the entire second half of the biggest game of the season to "prove a point" tells you everything that's wrong with this player.

He doesn't get it. He might have been the most narcissistic player of all time and we're not about to sit here and sugar coat everything he did; if anything, most of us are saying good riddance. Let him enjoy being a ranked as a top 12-13 player all time because that is a big accomplishment.

[Spurs m8]

What do you want people to do? Overrate him because we watched him for 20 years and we should have a soft spot for him?

The guy played 20 season, not one of which he shot 47% in. He ended the last 2 seasons shooting 37% and 35%. He took 50 shots in his last game, showing that after 2 decades of playing, he still doesn't get it and believes everything is about him.

He's a 40% finals scorer, a 25% finals game 7 scorer and a 39% elimination game scorer.
He's a scorer first and yet has less 40 point playoff games than lebron does. He has one 40 point games in 20 years while lebron (for example) doubled that in 3 days.

He's a career 44.7%fg and 32.9%3fg scorer and he sabotaged his team's chances of winning in several instances because if sheer selfishness and stupidity. 2004 was a disgrace. Game 7 of 2006 where he took 1 shot in the entire second half of the biggest game of the season to "prove a point" tells you everything that's wrong with this player.

He doesn't get it. He might have been the most narcissistic player of all time and we're not about to sit here and sugar coat everything he did; if anything, most of us are saying good riddance. Let him enjoy being a ranked as a top 12-13 player all time because that is a big accomplishment.

:applause: :bowdown: :applause: :bowdown:

[raprap]

What do you want people to do? Overrate him because we watched him for 20 years and we should have a soft spot for him?

The guy played 20 season, not one of which he shot 47% in. He ended the last 2 seasons shooting 37% and 35%. He took 50 shots in his last game, showing that after 2 decades of playing, he still doesn't get it and believes everything is about him.

He's a 40% finals scorer, a 25% finals game 7 scorer and a 39% elimination game scorer.
He's a scorer first and yet has less 40 point playoff games than lebron does. He has one 40 point games in 20 years while lebron (for example) doubled that in 3 days.

He's a career 44.7%fg and 32.9%3fg scorer and he sabotaged his team's chances of winning in several instances because if sheer selfishness and stupidity. 2004 was a disgrace. Game 7 of 2006 where he took 1 shot in the entire second half of the biggest game of the season to "prove a point" tells you everything that's wrong with this player.

He doesn't get it. He might have been the most narcissistic player of all time and we're not about to sit here and sugar coat everything he did; if anything, most of us are saying good riddance. Let him enjoy being a ranked as a top 12-13 player all time because that is a big accomplishment.
Went in no lube :eek:

[JT123]

What do you want people to do? Overrate him because we watched him for 20 years and we should have a soft spot for him?

The guy played 20 season, not one of which he shot 47% in. He ended the last 2 seasons shooting 37% and 35%. He took 50 shots in his last game, showing that after 2 decades of playing, he still doesn't get it and believes everything is about him.

He's a 40% finals scorer, a 25% finals game 7 scorer and a 39% elimination game scorer.
He's a scorer first and yet has less 40 point playoff games than lebron does. He has one 40 point games in 20 years while lebron (for example) doubled that in 3 days.

He's a career 44.7%fg and 32.9%3fg scorer and he sabotaged his team's chances of winning in several instances because if sheer selfishness and stupidity. 2004 was a disgrace. Game 7 of 2006 where he took 1 shot in the entire second half of the biggest game of the season to "prove a point" tells you everything that's wrong with this player.

He doesn't get it. He might have been the most narcissistic player of all time and we're not about to sit here and sugar coat everything he did; if anything, most of us are saying good riddance. Let him enjoy being a ranked as a top 12-13 player all time because that is a big accomplishment.
/thread

[Spurs m8]

Seriously, Mr Feeney

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[JT123]

We're calling him one of the best 12-15 players in the history of basketball



How the f*ck is that disrespecting him?? :roll: :roll:
:applause: If anything we are overrating him. In ten years Kobe will be ranked in the 20-25 range where he truly belongs. He is in the Karl Malone/Dwayne Wade tier, not the MJ/Kareem/Lebron tier.

[Kenomax]

The big issue with Kobe is he's easily most overrated player in sports history. There are thousands of trolls and idiots who try to put him in top 5 all-time and really believe he was next Jordan :facepalm :lol while his status, clutch game, playoffs game, achievements, impact clearly shows he is not even top 10, and by most important factor - players impact I wouldn't consider him even top 20. And from now year by year he's going to be lower. Stop licking his ass and face the facts!

[Im Still Ballin]

What do you want people to do? Overrate him because we watched him for 20 years and we should have a soft spot for him?

The guy played 20 season, not one of which he shot 47% in. He ended the last 2 seasons shooting 37% and 35%. He took 50 shots in his last game, showing that after 2 decades of playing, he still doesn't get it and believes everything is about him.

He's a 40% finals scorer, a 25% finals game 7 scorer and a 39% elimination game scorer.
He's a scorer first and yet has less 40 point playoff games than lebron does. He has one 40 point games in 20 years while lebron (for example) doubled that in 3 days.

He's a career 44.7%fg and 32.9%3fg scorer and he sabotaged his team's chances of winning in several instances because if sheer selfishness and stupidity. 2004 was a disgrace. Game 7 of 2006 where he took 1 shot in the entire second half of the biggest game of the season to "prove a point" tells you everything that's wrong with this player.

He doesn't get it. He might have been the most narcissistic player of all time and we're not about to sit here and sugar coat everything he did; if anything, most of us are saying good riddance. Let him enjoy being a ranked as a top 12-13 player all time because that is a big accomplishment.
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[Nash]

Kobe is not disrespected, he's 2nd best SG of all time ffs.
its just that he's overrated and some people have for years tried to sell us on something he wasn't.

[fourkicks44]

Kobe is not disrespected, he's 2nd best SG of all time ffs.
its just that he's overrated and some people have for years tried to sell us on something he wasn't.

Word.

Lakers' fans are the cause of 95% of all problems in the world.

[I<3NBA]

he's not being disrespected, he's just coming down to his real level, now that his overratedness is being exposed.

[Kenomax]

Exactly, it's time to stop this kobe propaganda and face the facts!

[Spurs m8]

Damn... Not a single Kobe fan defending him from Mr Feeny

[JT123]

Damn... Not a single Kobe fan defending him from Mr Feeny
Honestly what can they really say? It's not like Feeny posted any made up facts or absurd exaggerations. Every word he typed was the 100% truth, and Kobe stans know it. :confusedshrug:

[ClipperRevival]

What do you want people to do? Overrate him because we watched him for 20 years and we should have a soft spot for him?

The guy played 20 season, not one of which he shot 47% in. He ended the last 2 seasons shooting 37% and 35%. He took 50 shots in his last game, showing that after 2 decades of playing, he still doesn't get it and believes everything is about him.

He's a 40% finals scorer, a 25% finals game 7 scorer and a 39% elimination game scorer.
He's a scorer first and yet has less 40 point playoff games than lebron does. He has one 40 point games in 20 years while lebron (for example) doubled that in 3 days.

He's a career 44.7%fg and 32.9%3fg scorer and he sabotaged his team's chances of winning in several instances because if sheer selfishness and stupidity. 2004 was a disgrace. Game 7 of 2006 where he took 1 shot in the entire second half of the biggest game of the season to "prove a point" tells you everything that's wrong with this player.

He doesn't get it. He might have been the most narcissistic player of all time and we're not about to sit here and sugar coat everything he did; if anything, most of us are saying good riddance. Let him enjoy being a ranked as a top 12-13 player all time because that is a big accomplishment.

I've been a Laker fan since the Showtime days and honestly, Kobe has always rubbed me the wrong way because I feel the game should be played a certain way. And what you said is something i pretty much agree with. He was the ultimate narcissist. And he made me cringe every time he forgot the team and tried to get his. And in that sense, I'm happy he retired so we can usher in a new era of Laker bball.

But still, what I said in my OP stands true. This wasn't Iverson just chucking away. Kobe, no matter how inefficient you might make him out to be, helped teams win titles. 3 as 2nd fiddle and 2 as "the man."

[Rooster]

If he had stopped winning after his first 3 peat as 2nd fiddle and just put up great individual stats for the rest of his career, you could class him in the Pippen category. But he proved his class later, going to 3 straight finals as "the man" and winning 2 rings along with 2 fmvp along with a regular season mvp. His playoff run in 2009 gets seriously underrated as he was masterful throughout the playoffs.

And at his absolute best, you can argue he was the most devastating perimeter scorer ever. 81 and 62. Yeah, he could've been more selective with his shots and been more efficient but in the end, he still did it better than almost anyone in history outside of a select few. Great two way player, one of the most skilled and fundamentally sound players ever, clutch, killer instinct, and maybe the best "worst" shot maker ever.

I know right now, his horrible last few seasons are fresh in our memory but let's show him some respect.

The lakers 2nd run cemented Kobe greatness. As a Laker fan, I would take the last 3 years if DAngelo somehow have the same career. Kobe rarely cared for his reputation as a chucker anyway. Zero Fcuks given of what people view of him. He was more busy working harder to mold his character as a strong will who just wants to win. Easily Top 10 and Kobe it did his way. Even went out the Mamba way.:bowdown: No regrets. :no:

5 rings.:bowdown:

The end justified the means.:applause:

[Smoke117]

What do you want people to do? Overrate him because we watched him for 20 years and we should have a soft spot for him?

The guy played 20 season, not one of which he shot 47% in. He ended the last 2 seasons shooting 37% and 35%. He took 50 shots in his last game, showing that after 2 decades of playing, he still doesn't get it and believes everything is about him.

He's a 40% finals scorer, a 25% finals game 7 scorer and a 39% elimination game scorer.
He's a scorer first and yet has less 40 point playoff games than lebron does. He has one 40 point games in 20 years while lebron (for example) doubled that in 3 days.

He's a career 44.7%fg and 32.9%3fg scorer and he sabotaged his team's chances of winning in several instances because if sheer selfishness and stupidity. 2004 was a disgrace. Game 7 of 2006 where he took 1 shot in the entire second half of the biggest game of the season to "prove a point" tells you everything that's wrong with this player.

He doesn't get it. He might have been the most narcissistic player of all time and we're not about to sit here and sugar coat everything he did; if anything, most of us are saying good riddance. Let him enjoy being a ranked as a top 12-13 player all time because that is a big accomplishment.

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[k0kakw0rld]

What do you want people to do? Overrate him because we watched him for 20 years and we should have a soft spot for him?

The guy played 20 season, not one of which he shot 47% in. He ended the last 2 seasons shooting 37% and 35%. He took 50 shots in his last game, showing that after 2 decades of playing, he still doesn't get it and believes everything is about him.

He's a 40% finals scorer, a 25% finals game 7 scorer and a 39% elimination game scorer.
He's a scorer first and yet has less 40 point playoff games than lebron does. He has one 40 point games in 20 years while lebron (for example) doubled that in 3 days.

He's a career 44.7%fg and 32.9%3fg scorer and he sabotaged his team's chances of winning in several instances because if sheer selfishness and stupidity. 2004 was a disgrace. Game 7 of 2006 where he took 1 shot in the entire second half of the biggest game of the season to "prove a point" tells you everything that's wrong with this player.

He doesn't get it. He might have been the most narcissistic player of all time and we're not about to sit here and sugar coat everything he did; if anything, most of us are saying good riddance. Let him enjoy being a ranked as a top 12-13 player all time because that is a big accomplishment.
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[jstern]

What do you want people to do? Overrate him because we watched him for 20 years and we should have a soft spot for him?

The guy played 20 season, not one of which he shot 47% in. He ended the last 2 seasons shooting 37% and 35%. He took 50 shots in his last game, showing that after 2 decades of playing, he still doesn't get it and believes everything is about him.

He's a 40% finals scorer, a 25% finals game 7 scorer and a 39% elimination game scorer.
He's a scorer first and yet has less 40 point playoff games than lebron does. He has one 40 point games in 20 years while lebron (for example) doubled that in 3 days.

He's a career 44.7%fg and 32.9%3fg scorer and he sabotaged his team's chances of winning in several instances because if sheer selfishness and stupidity. 2004 was a disgrace. Game 7 of 2006 where he took 1 shot in the entire second half of the biggest game of the season to "prove a point" tells you everything that's wrong with this player.

He doesn't get it. He might have been the most narcissistic player of all time and we're not about to sit here and sugar coat everything he did; if anything, most of us are saying good riddance. Let him enjoy being a ranked as a top 12-13 player all time because that is a big accomplishment.

No one is really coming out to defend Kobe on this. Why is that?

[West-Side]

What do you want people to do? Overrate him because we watched him for 20 years and we should have a soft spot for him?

The guy played 20 season, not one of which he shot 47% in. He ended the last 2 seasons shooting 37% and 35%. He took 50 shots in his last game, showing that after 2 decades of playing, he still doesn't get it and believes everything is about him.

He's a 40% finals scorer, a 25% finals game 7 scorer and a 39% elimination game scorer.
He's a scorer first and yet has less 40 point playoff games than lebron does. He has one 40 point games in 20 years while lebron (for example) doubled that in 3 days.

He's a career 44.7%fg and 32.9%3fg scorer and he sabotaged his team's chances of winning in several instances because if sheer selfishness and stupidity. 2004 was a disgrace. Game 7 of 2006 where he took 1 shot in the entire second half of the biggest game of the season to "prove a point" tells you everything that's wrong with this player.

He doesn't get it. He might have been the most narcissistic player of all time and we're not about to sit here and sugar coat everything he did; if anything, most of us are saying good riddance. Let him enjoy being a ranked as a top 12-13 player all time because that is a big accomplishment.

Yet in his final game he scored the last 15 points, overcame a double digit deficit and willed his team to a win. Making the last 4/5 shots.

Unlike LeBron, who also tried to will his team to a win in game 7 but failed miserably. Missing all 4/5 of his shots until Kyrie saved his ass, similar to how Ray Allen saved his ass for his 2nd ring.

[Rooster]

He's a scorer first and yet has less 40 point playoff games than lebron does. He has one 40 point games in 20 years while lebron (for example) doubled that in 3 days..

:no: :no: :no:

Kobe had a dozen of 40 point playoff games:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[RRR3]

Yet in his final game he scored the last 15 points, overcame a double digit deficit and willed his team to a win. Making the last 4/5 shots.

Unlike LeBron, who also tried to will his team to a win in game 7 but failed miserably. Missing all 4/5 of his shots until Kyrie saved his ass, similar to how Ray Allen saved his ass for his 2nd ring.
Are you seriously comparing a meaningless regular season game against the Utah _azz to game 7 of the finals in Oakland against a 73 win team? :biggums:


Also, LeBron hit a huge 3 with just under 5 minutes left, scored the most points of anyone in the 4th quarter and had arguably the clutches defensive play of all time to prevent the Warriors taking a lead with very little time left. Kyrie didn't "save" him, his shot broke a tie with 50ish seconds left. LeBron also made it a two possession game by hitting a FT after being fouled, which basically ended the game. Let's ignore facts doe.

[brownmamba00]

Kobe only has one 40 pt playoff game in 20 years? FOH

just in the '09 PO's alone he dropped 40 on Houston, Denver and Orlando. Had 39 IIRC vs the Jazz.

Only had 3 games below 25 points in these playoffs total of 23 games.

[KirbyPls]

Yet in his final game he scored the last 15 points, overcame a double digit deficit and willed his team to a win. Making the last 4/5 shots.

Unlike LeBron, who also tried to will his team to a win in game 7 but failed miserably. Missing all 4/5 of his shots until Kyrie saved his ass, similar to how Ray Allen saved his ass for his 2nd ring.

:lol Kobe fans discussing game 7 Finals performances no less. Stay mad.

Game 7s Finals:

Kobe: 6-24, 25%, 24-15-2 (11-15 fts :lol ) (1 game) average vs.

Lebron: 21-47, 44.65% 32-11.5-7.5 (8-9 fts) 2 game average

Bonus points to Kobe, nearly half his points came from free throws. :lol

[RRR3]

Kobe only has one 40 pt playoff game? FOH

just in the '09 PO's alone he dropped 40 on Houston, Denver and Orlando. Had 39 IIRC vs the Jazz.

Only had 3 games below 25 points in these playoffs total of 23 games.
He meant for the finals I believe, and Kobe does have only one 40 point finals game.

[brownmamba00]

He meant for the finals I believe, and Kobe does have only one 40 point finals game.
the post said one 40 pt playoff game in 20 years which says a lot about the teletubby world he's living in.

[RRR3]

the post said one 40 pt playoff game in 20 years which says a lot about the teletubby world he's living in.
I'm pretty sure he meant finals games, but yeah, bad oversight on his part.

[Rooster]

He meant for the finals I believe, and Kobe does have only one 40 point finals game.

Kobe was dropping 40s against the Spurs which is the real Finals anyway back then against those twin powers. :applause:

[KirbyPls]

Kobe was dropping 40s against the Spurs which is the real Finals anyway back then against those twin powers. :applause:

So the Pacers, 76ers, and nets were weak Finals competition? Kobe cake-walked to rings? :lol

[Rooster]

So the Pacers, 76ers, and nets were weak Finals competition? Kobe cake-walked to rings? :lol

Mere formality:confusedshrug:

[Rooster]

I'm pretty sure he meant finals games, but yeah, bad oversight on his part.

If that's the case then why he's saying 20 years.:rolleyes:

[Rooster]

the post said one 40 pt playoff game in 20 years which says a lot about the teletubby world he's living in.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Teletubby world:oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

He meant for the finals I believe, and Kobe does have only one 40 point finals game.He knew that ofcourse as does everyone on here.
But he knows that his idol only has 1 finals 40 point game so he decided to go on a tangent with the playoff angle.

We only talk about the big stage here, Kobetards! The finals :banana:

LeBron had more 40 point finals games in 3 days than your hero had in 20 years :D
And this while putting up 41, 16, 7, 4, 3 and then 41, 11, 8, 3, 3 before finishing the most historic comeback in finals history with a 27 point triple double to ensure that he became the only player in history to lead both teams in all categories.

Meanwhile, your idol's biggest achievement is a 6/24 chuckfest which had half the people in attendance throwing up:roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Yet in his final game he scored the last 15 points, overcame a double digit deficit and willed his team to a win. Making the last 4/5 shots.

Unlike LeBron, who also tried to will his team to a win in game 7 but failed miserably. Missing all 4/5 of his shots until Kyrie saved his ass, similar to how Ray Allen saved his ass for his 2nd ring.

I'm sorry we don't speak regular season games with nothing on the line. We speak finals here :lebronamazed:

LeBron had more 40 point playoff games in 3 days than your idol has in 20 years :banana:

[SouBeachTalents]

Yet in his final game he scored the last 15 points, overcame a double digit deficit and willed his team to a win. Making the last 4/5 shots.

Unlike LeBron, who also tried to will his team to a win in game 7 but failed miserably. Missing all 4/5 of his shots until Kyrie saved his ass, similar to how Ray Allen saved his ass for his 2nd ring.

This fuccing retard is bragging about a comeback in a meaningless regular season game against a team that missed the playoffs :roll:

Also, compare LeBron's Finals Game 7'a to Kobe's and tell me who's was better. It goes the same direction the MVP, FMVP, and statistical arguments go between the two as well

[Mr Feeny]

This fuccing retard is bragging about a comeback in a meaningless regular season game against a team that missed the playoffs :roll:

Also, compare LeBron's Finals Game 7'a to Kobe's and tell me who's was better. It goes the same direction the MVP, FMVP, and statistical arguments go between the two as well

:lebronamazed:

[jstern]

This fuccing retard is bragging about a comeback in a meaningless regular season game against a team that missed the playoffs :roll:

Also, compare LeBron's Finals Game 7'a to Kobe's and tell me who's was better. It goes the same direction the MVP, FMVP, and statistical arguments go between the two as well
Not only that, but someone here mentioned that they were playing defense on Kobe like it was a cancer make a wish foundation wish.