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SouBeachTalents

08-05-2016, 06:09 PM

2016 warriors were one of the most flawed post-season teams in history and were blown out several times before even meeting Lebron.

They were practically playing .500 ball before there top defensive player was suspended in an elimination game, -and rim protector was sidelined for the final two.

That should be added to the dumbest things in ISH history thread. It's one thing to say they had weaknesses, or were burnt out from chasing 73 wins, but one of the most flawed playoff teams in history? Yes, definitely one of the dumbest things ever said on ISH

bdreason

08-05-2016, 06:14 PM

We struggled the entire playoffs. At least for a team that won 73 games. It was kind of hard to determine why because of the Curry injury. We were up 3-1 in the NBA Finals, with 2 games at home though. If Curry and Klay show up in those games, we win the title. No excuses.

Dray n Klay

08-05-2016, 06:14 PM

The team was still stacked.

CUrry just played like shit the entire playoffs

DUDE got exposed

Indian guy

08-05-2016, 06:24 PM

warriorfan

08-05-2016, 06:43 PM

2 of those losses were w/o Curry and they both went down to the last possession. Why would anyone even count those games? That leaves them 12-3 heading into the nba finals. One of the most flawed playoff teams ever alright :rolleyes: :oldlol:. They were also up 3-1 in the finals before LeBron, statistically speaking (Game Score), produced 2 of the 3 best performances in nba finals history. Yep, history. Kyrie also dropped a 41-point game. Basically took super human performances for Cleveland to pull that series off.
It also took Curry suffering from an MCL injury as well

Steph Curry 2015 Finals Stats

26/5/6/2/ 59% TS

Perhaps the most critical segment of this series came at the end of the third quarter of Game 4, Cleveland cutting the Warriors lead to three. The Q was rocking. The Finals hung in the balance.

Curry calmly called for the ball, shook a defender and drained a three, pushing Golden State to a six-point lead. In a reversal of roles, a gassed LeBron tried to answer with a three of his own at the buzzer, only to miss badly. When James went to the bench to rest at the start of the fourth quarter, the Warriors seized control of the game and the Finals.

Curry finished with 22 that night. He then dropped 37, including 17 in the fourth quarter, in Game 5. On Tuesday, he dropped a couple of massive threes to help stem a fourth-quarter Cleveland surge, then when double-teamed, hit a wide-open Klay Thompson for another.

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[i]Not only did Curry average an MVP-like 26 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists and 2 steals in 43 minutes per game, but as Kerr told his point guard, sometimes a point guard has to put his own game now in favor of managing the game for his teammates.

That is what Curry relayed when he said in the postgame press conference, "The Finals are not that different from normal NBA games. It's just the spotlight is different, and soar are the expectations. When you have an average game, you find out in the Finals that people were expecting more. But really, that stuff doesn't matter. It's all about winning. That's what I've learned. I just need to impact games, be myself every other night, do other things to help my team win and be OK with that. Manage the game from a point-guard standpoint, find a way to win and that's what we did

Spurs m8

08-05-2016, 06:59 PM

Reg season heroes.

Mentally weak betas.

Lucky the Cavs were injured 2015 or they have zero rings.

Such an overrated team

JT123

08-05-2016, 07:02 PM

2016 warriors were one of the most flawed post-season teams in history and were blown out several times before even meeting Lebron.

They were practically playing .500 ball before there top defensive player was suspended in an elimination game, -and rim protector was sidelined for the final two.
:facepalm I think you meant to say a closeout game, since the Warriors were definitely NOT facing elimination in game 5.
Even without Draymond the Warriors were still huge favorites in that game. Klay Thompson was so confident that he guaranteed a win before the game, so save the excuses. :sleeping

Big164

08-05-2016, 07:08 PM

Kyrie/Lebron slashing the warriors felt like a rerun of what Westbrook/durant did 2 weeks earlier. The difference is Lebron actually wanted to beat the warriors, Durant wanted to join them.

warriorfan

08-05-2016, 07:08 PM

Reg season heroes.

Mentally weak betas.

Lucky the Cavs were injured 2015 or they have zero rings.

Such an overrated team

Steph Curry1 and Golden State's three best defender's were either injured or out of commission. (Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala, Andrew Bogut)

Kyrie was a huge loss for Cleveland in 2015. However Kevin Love missing in 2015 was not as big of a factor as most would think.

If you remember, while both teams were at full strength, Cleveland got blown out twice in a row in games 1 and 2. The first turn of the tide was in game 3 where Cleveland secured their first win, without Kevin Love playing a single minute (Game 3 of the 2016 Finals (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201606080CLE.html))

At the end of the 2016 Finals, Kevin Love averaged only 8 points a game on 47% True Shooting (Statistics of the 2016 Finals (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2016-nba-finals-cavaliers-vs-warriors.html)). And these numbers were also boosted due to the fact that Draymond Green and Andrew Bogut were out of commission due to suspension and injury.

Basketball is a game of matchups and Kevin Love has proven himself to not be effective against the matchups that a healthy Golden State team produces.

So due to the ineffectiveness of Kevin Love against Golden State due to matchup problems, Golden State of 2016 was more depleted than the Cleveland team of 2015. (Golden State's best player was compromised. Golden State's best defender missed a crucial close out game. Golden State's rim protector missed 1 and a half games. Golden State's best perimeter defender and previous year's FMVP was extremely disabled for at least one game, more likely two.)

References:
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[QUOTE][I]Stephen Curry is reportedly not playing at 100% health, and it may explain why he has struggled to find his MVP form

[b]The Vertical's Adrian Wojnarowski reported that Curry

Cone

08-05-2016, 07:12 PM

Reg season heroes.

Mentally weak betas.

Lucky the Cavs were injured 2015 or they have zero rings.

Such an overrated team

this. cavs proved they win last yr w/o injuries

glad the curry **** sucking fest is done with

bdreason

08-05-2016, 07:33 PM

Reg season heroes.

Mentally weak betas.

Lucky the Cavs were injured 2015 or they have zero rings.

Such an overrated team

Spurs won 67 regular season games. Most in franchise history. Couldn't make it out of the 2nd round. :facepalm

Spurs m8

08-05-2016, 07:36 PM

this. cavs proved they win last yr w/o injuries

glad the curry **** sucking fest is done with

You're a good poster Mr Cone

:cheers:

Doctor K

08-05-2016, 07:55 PM

Steph Curry1 and Golden State's three best defender's were either injured or out of commission. (Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala, Andrew Bogut)

Kyrie was a huge loss for Cleveland in 2015. However Kevin Love missing in 2015 was not as big of a factor as most would think.

If you remember, while both teams were at full strength, Cleveland got blown out twice in a row in games 1 and 2. The first turn of the tide was in game 3 where Cleveland secured their first win, without Kevin Love playing a single minute (Game 3 of the 2016 Finals (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201606080CLE.html))

At the end of the 2016 Finals, Kevin Love averaged only 8 points a game on 47% True Shooting (Statistics of the 2016 Finals (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2016-nba-finals-cavaliers-vs-warriors.html)). And these numbers were also boosted due to the fact that Draymond Green and Andrew Bogut were out of commission due to suspension and injury.

Basketball is a game of matchups and Kevin Love has proven himself to not be effective against the matchups that a healthy Golden State team produces.

So due to the ineffectiveness of Kevin Love against Golden State due to matchup problems, Golden State of 2016 was more depleted than the Cleveland team of 2015. (Golden State's best player was compromised. Golden State's best defender missed a crucial close out game. Golden State's rim protector missed 1 and a half games. Golden State's best perimeter defender and previous year's FMVP was extremely disabled for at least one game, more likely two.)

References:
1.

MELTDOWN

the nightmares never stop do they

Young X

08-05-2016, 08:05 PM

Spurs won 67 regular season games. Most in franchise history. Couldn't make it out of the 2nd round. :facepalmEverybody talks about the Warriors losing and rightfully so but the Spurs losing to the Thunder gets completely swept under the rug.

All season everybody was predicting they meet with the Warriors in the WCF. Nobody was talking about any other teams besides this matchup.

They had one of the best regular seasons ever, statistically were one of the best teams ever...and they lose to a 55 win Thunder team with homecourt in the 2nd round.

Seems like everybody gets criticized for their failures except the Spurs.

TheWinningFam

08-05-2016, 08:06 PM

Warriors fans live in constant fear that NBA superstar Stephen Curry will get injured

Almost half his NBA career Curry has been battling some type of injury

And when it happened in the 2016 NBA Playoffs, no one was suprised

As some may not know, Stephen had seven ankle sprains and 2 surgiers in a 16-month period

Because of his historical amount of ankle sprains/surgeries, he has struggles with stopping on a dime

Lets recap why he got himself injured:

- Curry gambled on Ariza when he tried a full court press and was blown right by instantly - Montiejunas trips and falls - Curry sees this in the corner of his eye

https://s31.postimg.org/vsgepifrv/curry1_5.png

- Curry tried forcing Ariza to go right - Ariza goes up for the pump - Curry struggles to stop and at the same time slips on sweat because he lacked awareness where he was on the court

https://s31.postimg.org/gxrtbc66z/curry3.png

The injury effected his game none whatsoever

His next game and following series versus the Houston Rockets, Steph perfomed at an elite level

https://s31.postimg.org/981kjrh3v/curry3_5.png

The following 7 game series versus the Oklahoma City Thunder he again performed at a spectacular level

https://s31.postimg.org/exht42na3/curry4.png

And as we all know, in the Finals, Curry just couldn't live up to the two previous series when he faced the Cleveland Cavaliers

https://s31.postimg.org/z656psml7/curry5.png

Infact, by looking at his past 3 Playoffs, 2016 Curry was right on par in nearly every category with his 2014 and 2013 Playoffs

https://s32.postimg.org/bsdxd1t5h/curry8.png

In conclusion we see that
1. Steph is injury prone has a long history of sprains with multiple surgeries
2. Steph's fragile ankles wouldn't allow him to stop on a dime/keep up with Ariza
3. Steph had bad court awareness after seeing Montie fall and drove right through a wet spot, tweaking his knee
4. Multiple sources say it was a grade 1 MCL, 2 weeks fully heal, "he was lucky"
5. Steph came back from injury and played 9 games averaging 31, 8, 7, 48%fg before playing Cleveland where he struggled at 22, 5, 4, 40%fg
6. Steph is a sub par Playoff and Finals performer compared to his regular season
7. GSW front office signed Durant as insurance, specifically banking on Steph's next upcoming injury

SouBeachTalents

08-05-2016, 08:12 PM

Everybody talks about the Warriors losing and rightfully so but the Spurs losing to the Thunder gets completely swept under the rug.

All season everybody was predicting they meet with the Warriors in the WCF. Nobody was talking about any other teams besides this matchup.

They had one of the best regular seasons ever, statistically were one of the best teams ever...and they lose to a 55 win Thunder team with homecourt in the 2nd round.

Seems like everybody gets criticized for their failures except the Spurs.

The reason nobody talks about the Spurs losing is because it's not even close to the same level as the Warriors losing. Yes it was surprising when the Spurs lost, but we've seen 67 win teams lose in the first round to 8 seeds before. While winning that many games and not winning the title is rare, it's happened a couple of times previously. The Warriors literally broke the wins record, then proceeded to be the first team in history to blow a 3-1 series lead in the Finals. As time goes on nobody's going to remotely care or remember that the Spurs lost, but the Warriors losing will live on in infamy

Young X

08-05-2016, 08:28 PM

The reason nobody talks about the Spurs losing is because it's not even close to the same level as the Warriors losing. Yes it was surprising when the Spurs lost, but we've seen 67 win teams lose in the first round to 8 seeds before. While winning that many games and not winning the title is rare, it's happened a couple of times previously. The Warriors literally broke the wins record, then proceeded to be the first team in history to blow a 3-1 series lead in the Finals. As time goes on nobody's going to remotely care or remember that the Spurs lost, but the Warriors losing will live on in infamyNo question that the Warriors losing is easily worse than the Spurs losing.

But why haven't the Spurs gotten ANY criticism for losing that series at all?

All season long, they were seen as being on another level from the Thunder. Nobody was talking about OKC being a threat. It was always Spurs vs. Warriors and then everybody else.

Then the Spurs lose the series and nobody cares. They get all the praise when things go right but nobody says anything when they don't live up to expectations.

It's like people just pick and choose who they want to criticize based on who they like the most.

tpols

08-05-2016, 08:41 PM

No question that the Warriors losing is easily worse than the Spurs losing.

But why haven't the Spurs gotten ANY criticism for losing that series at all?

All season long, they were seen as being on another level from the Thunder. Nobody was talking about OKC being a threat. It was always Spurs vs. Warriors and then everybody else.

Then the Spurs lose the series and nobody cares. They get all the praise when things go right but nobody says anything when they don't live up to expectations.

It's like people just pick and choose who they want to criticize based on who they like the most.

because the spurs have no big name stars to fling shit at.. and honestly, when the other team arguably has the two best players in the series, regular season record gets thrown out. The Lakers in 2001 won same amount of games as the thunder and way less than the spurs of this past year.. hell the spurs even had a better record in 2001 as well. Nobody threw shit at them then, and nobody is going to throw shit at them now because the other team had better top tier players playing at their peak.. would be silly. Only reason san antonio wins so many regular season games is because they have supreme focus and discipline and always blow out any teams that arent elite pretty much. Thunder dont have that type of machine in place to feed on 80% of the league that is either awful or doesnt give a crap so they won less regular season games.. playoffs are completely different animal though.

Young X

08-05-2016, 08:56 PM

warriorfan

08-05-2016, 08:59 PM

Why didn't we hear this during the season...only after the fact.?
People were being prisoners of the moment and in hindsight we can see things with a much clearer perspective

tpols

08-05-2016, 09:07 PM

Why didn't we hear this during the season...only after the fact.?

because nobody predicted the Thunder playing out of their minds as much as they did.. everyone knew they could hang around in a a series with pretty much anybody because of WB and KD, but the real shocker was the play of steven adams and enes kanter.. plus nice shooting and spacing from guys like Ibaka, the defense overall and billy donovan showing his stripes.. nobody saw that coming, but in hindsight OKC was a beast of a team. For the thunder to lose, it took a combination of the league not intervening / suspending dray at probably the only time he truly deserved it (unprovoked soccer kick to nuts) because they didnt want such a marquee matchup and their golden boys to go down that quickly, and both klay thompson and steph curry to hit just.. strings of miracle shots. OKC caught absolutely not a single break, and they lost by an inch.. that should tell you how good they were.

Young X

08-05-2016, 09:21 PM

because nobody predicted the Thunder playing out of their minds as much as they did.. everyone knew they could hang around in a a series with pretty much anybody because of WB and KD, but the real shocker was the play of steven adams and enes kanter.. plus nice shooting and spacing from guys like Ibaka, the defense overall and billy donovan showing his stripes.. nobody saw that coming, but in hindsight OKC was a beast of a team. For the thunder to lose, it took a combination of the league not intervening / suspending dray at probably the only time he truly deserved it (unprovoked soccer kick to nuts) because they didnt want such a marquee matchup and their golden boys to go down that quickly, and both klay thompson and steph curry to hit just.. strings of miracle shots. OKC caught absolutely not a single break, and they lost by an inch.. that should tell you how good they were.You know I agree with alot of this but at what point do you hold the losing team accountable for getting upset? Especially if up to that point, they were looking like one of the GOAT teams?

Is there even such thing as an upset? You can make a similar post about how the Cavs were playing in the playoffs and how the Warriors losing to them wasn't that big of a deal because of it.

bdreason

08-05-2016, 09:22 PM

because the spurs have no big name stars to fling shit at.. and honestly, when the other team arguably has the two best players in the series, regular season record gets thrown out. The Lakers in 2001 won same amount of games as the thunder and way less than the spurs of this past year.. hell the spurs even had a better record in 2001 as well. Nobody threw shit at them then, and nobody is going to throw shit at them now because the other team had better top tier players playing at their peak.. would be silly. Only reason san antonio wins so many regular season games is because they have supreme focus and discipline and always blow out any teams that arent elite pretty much. Thunder dont have that type of machine in place to feed on 80% of the league that is either awful or doesnt give a crap so they won less regular season games.. playoffs are completely different animal though.

Spurs had a HISTORICALLY great regular season. They didn't just win 67 games. They also had one of the highest +/-'s in the history of the sport. They were destroying teams, and were being penciled in to the Conference Finals. After game 1 against the Thunder, people were talking sweep. Then the Spurs completely choked.

The Warriors won 6 more games in the regular season, mainly because they had better depth, and were actually chasing the record at the end. They made it to the NBA Finals. The Spurs couldn't get out of the 2nd round.

Lebron23

08-06-2016, 05:27 AM

2016 Cavaliers are one of the greatest playoffs and finals teams of all time.

masonanddixon

08-06-2016, 05:54 AM

2010-2011 Mavs were the best postseason team since MJs Bulls except for maybe the 2000-2001 Lakers.

Mavs lost five games total, and were road WARRIORS.

masonanddixon

08-06-2016, 05:55 AM

2016 Cavaliers are one of the greatest playoffs and finals teams of all time.

They were trash and were led by the biggest trash star player in sports history.

Lebron23

08-06-2016, 06:14 AM

They were trash and were led by the biggest trash star player in sports history.

2016 Warriors would destroy your Mavericks. And you are 36 yrs.old. You are now officially middle age. So STFU.

masonanddixon

08-06-2016, 06:23 AM

2016 Warriors would destroy your Mavericks. And you are 36 yrs.old. You are now officially middle age. So STFU.

LOL Mavs would have creampied the hell out of the soft ass Warriors.

I'm 34...why does my age matter?

You're such a vindictive little Pinoyboy.

Lebron23

08-06-2016, 06:28 AM

LOL Mavs would have creampied the hell out of the soft ass Warriors.

I'm 34...why does my age matter?

You're such a vindictive little Pinoyboy.

Watch more games Son. That 2011 Heat lacked bench support. And Joel Anthony And Mike Bibby shouldn't be starting in the NBA during that time.

masonanddixon

08-06-2016, 06:31 AM

Watch more games Son. That 2011 Heat lacked bench support. And Joel Anthony And Mike Bibby shouldn't be starting in the NBA during that time.

Son, how did they throttle the Celtics 4-1 and then barely beat them (coming from behind 3-2) the following season when Boston was barely above 500 for the season, and struggled against a thoroughly shitty Indiana squad, after taking the regular season best record Bulls to the shed in 2010-2011?

Please explain to me with your sage wisdom how this managed to happen.

Lebron23

08-06-2016, 06:38 AM

Son, how did they throttle the Celtics 4-1 and then barely beat them (coming from behind 3-2) the following season when Boston was barely above 500 for the season, and struggled against a thoroughly shitty Indiana squad, after taking the regular season best record Bulls to the shed in 2010-2011?

Please explain to me with your sage wisdom how this managed to happen.

Terrible Coaching by Eric Spo, and great coaching by Rick Carlisle. Look at Dirk's FG% in that series. That's the only series than LeBron choked in the NBA Finals. 2012 Heat would creampied the 2011 Dallas Mavericks. They were swept by the OKC Thunder 1 year later.

masonanddixon

08-06-2016, 06:40 AM

Terrible Coaching by Eric Spo, and great coaching by Rick Carlisle. Look at Dirk's FG% in that series. That's the only series than LeBron choked in the NBA Finals. 2012 Heat would creampied the 2011 Dallas Mavericks. They were swept by the OKC Thunder 1 year later.

What does that even mean? Translate that to English, SON.

Yeah Dirk had a game with sinusitis and a a torn tendon all series.

he shot 50%+ in three of the six games.

How would a team that came from behind to beat a barely above 500 Celtics squad somehow manage to creampie the team that creampied them the previous season's Finals?

Where's your logic here, SON?