Julian Assange mercilessly CREAMPIES Bill Maher

[Terahite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-EJAIXdGp8

Assange is probably the closest thing to whatever a real liberal is these days, while Maher is exposed as a corporate shill in this interview. After getting shit on repeatedly Maher still has the temerity at the end to admit Assange "deserves the Nobel Prize" even though he thinks what he did in exposing the Democrats was "wrong" because it helps Trump's chances of winning. :roll:

I am LOVING these personal meltdowns from liberalcons, you can see in Maher's expression they are obviously deeply conflicted. Now I know why so many of these Hollywood assholes are in therapy. Please GOD keep these coming. :cheers:

[NumberSix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-EJAIXdGp8

Assange is probably the closest thing to whatever a real liberal is these days, while Maher is exposed as a corporate shill in this interview. After getting shit on repeatedly Maher still has the temerity at the end to admit Assange "deserves the Nobel Prize" even though he thinks what he did in exposing the Democrats was "wrong" because it helps Trump's chances of winning. :roll:

I am LOVING these personal meltdowns from liberalcons, you can see in Maher's expression they are obviously deeply conflicted. Now I know why so many of these Hollywood assholes are in therapy. Please GOD keep these coming. :cheers:
Maher is good on some issues, but he suffers from the same problem as most lefties. He has no principles. He's ok with anything that results in his preferred outcome. He's actually totally in favor of what wiki leaks does. He just doesn't like it in this one instance because it doesn't benefit his preferred outcome of Hillary winning. He's the typical "the ends justify the means" leftist.

[Terahite]

I guess it should be said that Maher and other liberal bigots are only following in the footsteps of Bernie Sanders, who shockingly endorsed Clinton even with all the evidence of corruption coming out.

Bernie was noticeably shaken by his decision to support a career criminal, as Maher looks uncomfortable about it here. This has got to be one of the hardest things the American Left has ever had to swallow.

Alls I know is their psychiatrists will be laughing all the way to the bank in November. :confusedshrug:

[DeuceWallaces]

I watched the episode last night. At what point did he actually cream him?

[warriorfan]

I think OP may be gay

[Doomsday Dallas]

Never liked Bill Maher...

His type of personality is of little spirituality... which is fine,

but don't bash others for searching an understanding of a higher power.

That's what makes him an @sshole.

[RedBlackAttack]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-EJAIXdGp8

Assange is probably the closest thing to whatever a real liberal is these days, while Maher is exposed as a corporate shill in this interview. After getting shit on repeatedly Maher still has the temerity at the end to admit Assange "deserves the Nobel Prize" even though he thinks what he did in exposing the Democrats was "wrong" because it helps Trump's chances of winning. :roll:

I am LOVING these personal meltdowns from liberalcons, you can see in Maher's expression they are obviously deeply conflicted. Now I know why so many of these Hollywood assholes are in therapy. Please GOD keep these coming. :cheers:
You thought Assange "won" that debate (even thought it was more a discussion than a debate)?

Assange thought he had a big reveal at one point when he told the audience that one "William Maher" donated $1 million to an Obama PAC in 2012. But, in fact, it was Assange who failed to do his homework on that one.

Maher gave the donation very publicly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pQGzK8JGpc

Other than that, it seemed like just the usual Real Time back-and-forth where neither party moved much in either direction.

Although, Assange did relent that they're "working on" hacking Trump's tax returns. :confusedshrug:

[Dresta]

lol, Bill Maher; I remember when that idiot used to call himself a libertarian, without even knowing what the word meant, at the same time as he was calling everyone else a bunch of "stoopids"

He is an uninformed idiot: just look up his views on vaccinations :lol

[JtotheIzzo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-EJAIXdGp8

Assange is probably the closest thing to whatever a real liberal is these days, while Maher is exposed as a corporate shill in this interview. After getting shit on repeatedly Maher still has the temerity at the end to admit Assange "deserves the Nobel Prize" even though he thinks what he did in exposing the Democrats was "wrong" because it helps Trump's chances of winning. :roll:

I am LOVING these personal meltdowns from liberalcons, you can see in Maher's expression they are obviously deeply conflicted. Now I know why so many of these Hollywood assholes are in therapy. Please GOD keep these coming. :cheers:

LOL, Assange's 'stinger' was Maher's $1M donation to Obama...Jesus, that was only a running media campaign for like 6 months in 2012.

Great work Julian!

Guys like this (well everyone with skin in the game) are yin yang, they do some good shit, but they do some really bad shit too. Assange is no saint.

[poido123]

Let's be honest.


Bill Maher is butthurt that Assange is all over Hillary's ass and the fact that the wikileaks will eventually sink that harpie queen.

[TheMan]

Let's be honest.


Bill Maher is butthurt that Assange is all over Hillary's ass and the fact that the wikileaks will eventually sink that harpie queen.
Let's be honest.



You're way in over your head talkin' US politics but bless your little heart, you do try so hard.

[masonanddixon]

Let's be honest.



You're way in over your head talkin' US politics but bless your little heart, you do try so hard.

Hillary is done, man.

Main stream media is manipulating the online pool results.

This is going to be just like Brexit.

[dude77]

hillary lead down below 3 in reuters which means trump is actually leading

[fiddy]

Let's be honest.



You're way in over your head talkin' US politics but bless your little heart, you do try so hard.
Im having hard times believing you were a Bernie supporter.

[RedBlackAttack]

As if the national popular poll even matters. :oldlol:

The electoral map is looking really bleak for Trump as the days go by and I am by no means a Hillary Clinton "supporter." I'll vote for her, but that's just because I'd rather not have a delusional reality TV star running the country.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

[Akrazotile]

As if the national popular poll even matters. :oldlol:

The electoral map is looking really bleak for Trump as the days go by and I am by no means a Hillary Clinton "supporter." I'll vote for her, but that's just because I'd rather not have a delusional reality TV star running the country.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/


What are some of the scenarios youre afraid of with a Trump presidency?

[fiddy]

As if the national popular poll even matters. :oldlol:

The electoral map is looking really bleak for Trump as the days go by and I am by no means a Hillary Clinton "supporter." I'll vote for her, but that's just because I'd rather not have a delusional reality TV star running the country.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
"Democracy" lmao

[JtotheIzzo]

What are some of the scenarios youre afraid of with a Trump presidency?

The government is a game of inches, Trump is promising miles.

I worry most he will f*ck up the global balance, which is highly beneficial to American interests. As a Canadian who spends a lot of time working abroad, it is critical to peace and profit that America remains the most influential force in the world (especially East Asia). If the US starts setting up tariffs everywhere and makes it difficult for countries to trade with America (Trump's continued harping that the US is getting owned in trade negotiations) we will see the US lose its influence and countries like China will fill the void (see Africa).

China is just waiting for the US to drop off or pull back so it can control East Asia (see the South China Sea), and East Asia is the future, so the US needs a firm foothold there and that entails interlocking economies with China (make it so breaking off with America would crush them financially), being Korea, Japan and the ASEAN countries' best friend. ANd sadly you need to buy friendship globally and favorable trade deals is the best vehicle.

By arranging favorable trade deals with all these countries the US can exert soft power and be influential. Pulling back (also what Bernie wanted) we would see huge inflation in North America and a global marginalization.

TPP is critical to the US's position as number 1, it is actually insurance for this.

Trump needs to toe the line here, he could REALLY ruin America.

Also, America benefits greatly from NAFTA, and America is in a position where if it doesn't like part of a treaty it ignores it (see softwood lumber violations by the US in NAFTA).

Smart people did a lot of work putting America where it is today, throwing it all away on unkeepable promises that manufacturing is coming back is beyond stupid.

[Jameerthefear]

The government is a game of inches, Trump is promising miles.

I worry most he will f*ck up the global balance, which is highly beneficial to American interests. As a Canadian who spends a lot of time working abroad, it is critical to peace and profit that America remains the most influential force in the world (especially East Asia). If the US starts setting up tariffs everywhere and makes it difficult for countries to trade with America (Trump's continued harping that the US is getting owned in trade negotiations) we will see the US lose its influence and countries like China will fill the void (see Africa).

China is just waiting for the US to drop off or pull back so it can control East Asia (see the South China Sea), and East Asia is the future, so the US needs a firm foothold there and that entails interlocking economies with China (make it so breaking off with America would crush them financially), being Korea, Japan and the ASEAN countries' best friend. ANd sadly you need to buy friendship globally and favorable trade deals is the best vehicle.

By arranging favorable trade deals with all these countries the US can exert soft power and be influential. Pulling back (also what Bernie wanted) we would see huge inflation in North America and a global marginalization.

TPP is critical to the US's position as number 1, it is actually insurance for this.

Trump needs to toe the line here, he could REALLY ruin America.

Also, America benefits greatly from NAFTA, and America is in a position where if it doesn't like part of a treaty it ignores it (see softwood lumber violations by the US in NAFTA).

Smart people did a lot of work putting America where it is today, throwing it all away on unkeepable promises that manufacturing is coming back is beyond stupid.
very good post.
trump doesn't have a clue what he's doing. just today he attacked japan over a provision in a treaty that the United States itself agreed to. there's more nuance to things then "WE'RE NOT WINNING DEALS!!!" or whatever the hell he's talking about.

[Akrazotile]

The government is a game of inches, Trump is promising miles.

I worry most he will f*ck up the global balance, which is highly beneficial to American interests. As a Canadian who spends a lot of time working abroad, it is critical to peace and profit that America remains the most influential force in the world (especially East Asia). If the US starts setting up tariffs everywhere and makes it difficult for countries to trade with America (Trump's continued harping that the US is getting owned in trade negotiations) we will see the US lose its influence and countries like China will fill the void (see Africa).

China is just waiting for the US to drop off or pull back so it can control East Asia (see the South China Sea), and East Asia is the future, so the US needs a firm foothold there and that entails interlocking economies with China (make it so breaking off with America would crush them financially), being Korea, Japan and the ASEAN countries' best friend. ANd sadly you need to buy friendship globally and favorable trade deals is the best vehicle.

By arranging favorable trade deals with all these countries the US can exert soft power and be influential. Pulling back (also what Bernie wanted) we would see huge inflation in North America and a global marginalization.

TPP is critical to the US's position as number 1, it is actually insurance for this.

Trump needs to toe the line here, he could REALLY ruin America.

Also, America benefits greatly from NAFTA, and America is in a position where if it doesn't like part of a treaty it ignores it (see softwood lumber violations by the US in NAFTA).

Smart people did a lot of work putting America where it is today, throwing it all away on unkeepable promises that manufacturing is coming back is beyond stupid.


I agree with you on trade, and I don't understand why Trump is so intent on making it seem like a bad thing.

Industrializing Southeast Asia as well as Africa is going to continue to eradicate some really amazing natural habitats and ecosystems, as well as pollute the Earth even further. There's only one Earth, species that die don't come back. Those plants and animals took literally millions and billions of years to evolve to into uniquely complex organisms. It'd be a shame to permanently lose living species that only exist in one place in the entire universe. Especially for the sake of adding more billions of humans to compete with us in manufacturing.

Do you think it's a good thing to industrialize these countries who will destroy habitats and also compete with us?

Also, do you believe in God? If not, do you think we should have concern for these other societies of humans? Do you think it would be morally wrong to just wipe them out for the long term sake of the planet? If yes, why? If no, why? Objectively speaking, what would be wrong with it?

These are just some questions I have. I don't have the answers. It seems a lot of liberals do, but when they give their answers they don't make very much sense when you look at them more carefully. That is worrisome.

Why are we ruining the planet for a few extra bucks? Do we not have enough to meet our needs currently? Why are we opting to care about people across the planet whom we have no relation to? Is that what organisms evolved through competitive Darwinian evolution are supposed to do?

[Terahite]

I watched the episode last night. At what point did he actually cream him?

Link is posted in OP if you need a refresher. The fact that you watched the episode tells me you're probably a fan of his which means this reply will be of no use to you.

But Maher says in the interview "there's no smoking gun" in regard to DNC sabotage of Bernie, but is countered immediately by Assange who gives him a "smoking gun" which is pretty blatant.

Maher got TORCHED here, plain and simple. He should've been more prepared and asked less dumb questions.

[Terahite]

You thought Assange "won" that debate (even thought it was more a discussion than a debate)?

Assange thought he had a big reveal at one point when he told the audience that one "William Maher" donated $1 million to an Obama PAC in 2012. But, in fact, it was Assange who failed to do his homework on that one.

Maher gave the donation very publicly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pQGzK8JGpc

Other than that, it seemed like just the usual Real Time back-and-forth where neither party moved much in either direction.

Although, Assange did relent that they're "working on" hacking Trump's tax returns. :confusedshrug:

No one said this was a debate, only that Maher got slayed which I demonstrated in the reply above.

By focusing on the stupid $1 million donation thing (which was more of a polite jab from Assange) you are ignoring the bigger picture which is the DNC scandal and people like Maher's unwillingness to expose corruption due to a fanatical hatred of Trump.

[ALBballer]

Maher is a partisan hack and his whole shtick is calling Republicans "morons, dumbasses, rednecks etc." In all honesty he's kinda like Donald Trump. Eastcoast guy that speaks his mind with strong views granted Maher is much more consistent in his views. I admit Maher can be amusing (I don't find his comedy to be funny per se) and he does call out liberals for their PC stances towards islam and PC culture in general. In other words, he isn't your typical liberal.

Assange went after the wrong team because if the leak was on the Republicans Maher would of had a field day on the stuff that was leaked.

[masonanddixon]

The government is a game of inches, Trump is promising miles.

I worry most he will f*ck up the global balance, which is highly beneficial to American interests. As a Canadian who spends a lot of time working abroad, it is critical to peace and profit that America remains the most influential force in the world (especially East Asia). If the US starts setting up tariffs everywhere and makes it difficult for countries to trade with America (Trump's continued harping that the US is getting owned in trade negotiations) we will see the US lose its influence and countries like China will fill the void (see Africa).

China is just waiting for the US to drop off or pull back so it can control East Asia (see the South China Sea), and East Asia is the future, so the US needs a firm foothold there and that entails interlocking economies with China (make it so breaking off with America would crush them financially), being Korea, Japan and the ASEAN countries' best friend. ANd sadly you need to buy friendship globally and favorable trade deals is the best vehicle.

By arranging favorable trade deals with all these countries the US can exert soft power and be influential. Pulling back (also what Bernie wanted) we would see huge inflation in North America and a global marginalization.

TPP is critical to the US's position as number 1, it is actually insurance for this.

Trump needs to toe the line here, he could REALLY ruin America.

Also, America benefits greatly from NAFTA, and America is in a position where if it doesn't like part of a treaty it ignores it (see softwood lumber violations by the US in NAFTA).

Smart people did a lot of work putting America where it is today, throwing it all away on unkeepable promises that manufacturing is coming back is beyond stupid.


lol so basically you're a global corporatist parasite who doesn't want competition and who relies on cheap labour. No wonder you're generating all kinds of outright lies about Trump to prop up your agenda.

Got it.

[masonanddixon]

I agree with you on trade, and I don't understand why Trump is so intent on making it seem like a bad thing.

Industrializing Southeast Asia as well as Africa is going to continue to eradicate some really amazing natural habitats and ecosystems, as well as pollute the Earth even further. There's only one Earth, species that die don't come back. Those plants and animals took literally millions and billions of years to evolve to into uniquely complex organisms. It'd be a shame to permanently lose living species that only exist in one place in the entire universe. Especially for the sake of adding more billions of humans to compete with us in manufacturing.

Do you think it's a good thing to industrialize these countries who will destroy habitats and also compete with us?

Also, do you believe in God? If not, do you think we should have concern for these other societies of humans? Do you think it would be morally wrong to just wipe them out for the long term sake of the planet? If yes, why? If no, why? Objectively speaking, what would be wrong with it?

These are just some questions I have. I don't have the answers. It seems a lot of liberals do, but when they give their answers they don't make very much sense when you look at them more carefully. That is worrisome.

Why are we ruining the planet for a few extra bucks? Do we not have enough to meet our needs currently? Why are we opting to care about people across the planet whom we have no relation to? Is that what organisms evolved through competitive Darwinian evolution are supposed to do?

Exactly. This is the endgame for liberals and globalism, who work hand in hand with one another.

Literally replacing everything in life that makes worth living with 'suburbs' and 'malls' and more 'housing' for 'diverse new citizens.' A bunch of bullshit, basically.

Trump's nationalism is the only chance of salvation remaining if the environment is to stand any chance at not being destroyed in the name of global capitalism.

[Dray n Klay]

masonanddixon, are you black?

[DonDadda59]

lol so basically you're a global corporatist parasite who doesn't want competition and who relies on cheap labour.

You just described Donald 'Made in Bangladesh' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYoOPgeTMQc) Drumpf to a tee.

How did you people convince yourself that a global corporatist parasite who relies on cheap foreign labor is somehow the anti global corporatist parasite who relies on cheap labor?

The mental gymnastics routines you muhphuckas are doing these days would win gold in Rio. :lol

[masonanddixon]

You just described Donald 'Made in Bangladesh' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYoOPgeTMQc) Drumpf to a tee.

How did you people convince yourself that a global corporatist parasite who relies on cheap foreign labor is somehow the anti global corporatist parasite who relies on cheap labor?

The mental gymnastics routines you muhphuckas are doing these days would win gold in Rio. :lol

Because his entire platform is against global corporate parasites, unlike Hillary (and Obama), who wants only the 1% to succeed.

[masonanddixon]

masonanddixon, are you black?

Yes, son.

[DonDadda59]

Because his entire platform is against global corporate parasites, unlike Hillary, who wants only the 1% to succeed.

So... She wants the Donald to succeed? :confusedshrug:

And his platform is trickle down economics on steroids. He wants to lower corporate tax rates to 15% (currently the top rate is at 39%). Clinton has called for instituting the Buffet Rule, closing the carried interest loophole (one of the worst contributors to the wealth gap), and instituting a clawback tax to end subsidies for companies that flee overseas (with Obama already taking action against corporate inversions this year... I see you Pfizer).

And the Donald IS the global corporate parasite you keep talking about. :oldlol:

His policies would crush the middle class and lead to an even worse recession (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/21/trumps-policies-would-cause-lengthy-recession-moodys.html) than the last one we saw when the GOP was in the Oval Office.



Outsourcing Creates Jobs in the Long Run
Posted: 8/29/2005 5:30:00 PM

by Donald J. Trump
Chairman, Trump University

We hear terrible things about outsourcing jobs--how sending work outside of our companies is contributing to the demise of American businesses. But in this instance I have to take the unpopular stance that it is not always a terrible thing.

I understand that outsourcing means that employees lose jobs. Because work is often outsourced to other countries, it means Americans lose jobs. In other cases, nonunion employees get the work. Losing jobs is never a good thing, but we have to look at the bigger picture.

Last year, Nobel Prize-winning economist Dr. Lawrence R. Klein, the founder of Wharton Econometric Forecasting Associates, co-authored a study that showed how global outsourcing actually creates more jobs and increases wages, at least for IT workers. The study found that outsourcing helped companies be more competitive and more productive. That means they make more money, which means they funnel more into the economy, thereby, creating more jobs.

I know that doesn't make it any easier for people whose jobs have been outsourced overseas, but if a company's only means of survival is by farming jobs outside its walls, then sometimes it's a necessary step. The other option might be to close its doors for good.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060507011645/http://donaldtrump.trumpuniversity.com/default.asp?item=98255


http://a.abcnews.com/images/Business/abc_donald_trump_made_in_china_products_dm_110428_ wmain_4x3_608.jpg

http://www.samakal.net/assets/images/news_images/2016/07/01/dt_6953.jpg

Why on Earth did you fools choose to make this man the face of the anti 1% cheap labor exploiter movement? Dude is the absolute living embodiment of everything you claim to hate. :biggums:

[JtotheIzzo]

lol so basically you're a global corporatist parasite who doesn't want competition and who relies on cheap labour. No wonder you're generating all kinds of outright lies about Trump to prop up your agenda.

Got it.


Yes, I have an agenda.:roll:

so basically you're a pea brained simpleton who thinks after a couple of clicks through the 'above top secret' website he knows how the world works.

Got it.

[JtotheIzzo]

I agree with you on trade, and I don't understand why Trump is so intent on making it seem like a bad thing.

Industrializing Southeast Asia as well as Africa is going to continue to eradicate some really amazing natural habitats and ecosystems, as well as pollute the Earth even further. There's only one Earth, species that die don't come back. Those plants and animals took literally millions and billions of years to evolve to into uniquely complex organisms. It'd be a shame to permanently lose living species that only exist in one place in the entire universe. Especially for the sake of adding more billions of humans to compete with us in manufacturing.

Do you think it's a good thing to industrialize these countries who will destroy habitats and also compete with us?

Also, do you believe in God? If not, do you think we should have concern for these other societies of humans? Do you think it would be morally wrong to just wipe them out for the long term sake of the planet? If yes, why? If no, why? Objectively speaking, what would be wrong with it?

These are just some questions I have. I don't have the answers. It seems a lot of liberals do, but when they give their answers they don't make very much sense when you look at them more carefully. That is worrisome.

Why are we ruining the planet for a few extra bucks? Do we not have enough to meet our needs currently? Why are we opting to care about people across the planet whom we have no relation to? Is that what organisms evolved through competitive Darwinian evolution are supposed to do?

Southeast Asia is already much more industrialized and urbanized than most of the US, and if you think whitey is the bad guy here with respect to the environment and working conditions you are dead wrong. If you are talking about the greater 'we' than yes, the world is a shithole, but everyone is going to take their kick at the can when it comes to industrialization, China is going through their industrial era now (as is much of SE Asia), Africa is next. It is a stepping stone to becoming an advanced nation. Europe and NA went through it 100 years ago, its messy and ugly but we have made advances and it will get easier and cleaner as time goes on. The trouble with Asia is they are way more corrupt and have way less regulation.

There is pristine nature everywhere, so that is a moot point as to what is destroyed, people would rather have food to eat and money to spend than a park to frolic in, this will never change it is hardwired in us as a species.

Competition is good for the US because it has such a massive headstart on these countries, and the competition for the manufacturing is just a drop in the bucket, the real money is in branding and licensing and the last time I checked all the fashion brand s are western or japanese and the ten biggest companies in the world are American. Americans own huge swatches of the development of every country, think of the US world police as a form of insurance to US interests and stability.

People don't need to be wiped out, there has been struggles since the beginning of time, some groups are up, some are down, what made the Moors strong 1000 years ago is killing them today, its an ebb and flow. The US has positioned its empire to thrive along side others thriving, no empire has ever done that, this is why I think American global hegemony is a net positive and has lasting potential.

[masonanddixon]

Yes, I have an agenda.:roll:

so basically you're a pea brained simpleton who thinks after a couple of clicks through the 'above top secret' website he knows how the world works.

Got it.

Yes, please regale me with words of wisdom, oh please, 'JtotheIzzo'.

I'm a doctor with four years experience practicing; I'm not claiming intelligence but I have read enough primary sources (read: not the news) and experienced enough in life to realise the paradigm shift in society that is taking place.

If you work in the corporate sector your entire existence is based upon exploitation of the third world. That's a simple and plain fact.

Obviously you're in favour of 'free trade' and 'opening up emerging markets' because it provides you with a path to new exploitation.

Trump's domestic policy is purely in favour of local and regional businesses, which is how it should be, rather than conglomerate multinationals exploiting a cheap labour force and peddling shitty products and eliminating the competition with 'free trade agreements' which amount to nothing more than a corporate monopoly.

[masonanddixon]

Southeast Asia is already much more industrialized and urbanized than most of the US, and if you think whitey is the bad guy here with respect to the environment and working conditions you are dead wrong. If you are talking about the greater 'we' than yes, the world is a shithole, but everyone is going to take their kick at the can when it comes to industrialization, China is going through their industrial era now (as is much of SE Asia), Africa is next. It is a stepping stone to becoming an advanced nation. Europe and NA went through it 100 years ago, its messy and ugly but we have made advances and it will get easier and cleaner as time goes on. The trouble with Asia is they are way more corrupt and have way less regulation.

There is pristine nature everywhere, so that is a moot point as to what is destroyed, people would rather have food to eat and money to spend than a park to frolic in, this will never change it is hardwired in us as a species.

Competition is good for the US because it has such a massive headstart on these countries, and the competition for the manufacturing is just a drop in the bucket, the real money is in branding and licensing and the last time I checked all the fashion brand s are western or japanese and the ten biggest companies in the world are American. Americans own huge swatches of the development of every country, think of the US world police as a form of insurance to US interests and stability.

People don't need to be wiped out, there has been struggles since the beginning of time, some groups are up, some are down, what made the Moors strong 1000 years ago is killing them today, its an ebb and flow. The US has positioned its empire to thrive along side others thriving, no empire has ever done that, this is why I think American global hegemony is a net positive and has lasting potential.


You are a very sad individual.

I honestly feel depressed just being around people of your ilk.

You are exactly the sort who thinks that having a 'strong dollar' is more important than protecting the native wildlife of a country you want to exploit.

[masonanddixon]

So... She wants the Donald to succeed? :confusedshrug:

And his platform is trickle down economics on steroids. He wants to lower corporate tax rates to 15% (currently the top rate is at 39%). Clinton has called for instituting the Buffet Rule, closing the carried interest loophole (one of the worst contributors to the wealth gap), and instituting a clawback tax to end subsidies for companies that flee overseas (with Obama already taking action against corporate inversions this year... I see you Pfizer).

And the Donald IS the global corporate parasite you keep talking about. :oldlol:

His policies would crush the middle class and lead to an even worse recession (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/21/trumps-policies-would-cause-lengthy-recession-moodys.html) than the last one we saw when the GOP was in the Oval Office.



Outsourcing Creates Jobs in the Long Run
Posted: 8/29/2005 5:30:00 PM

by Donald J. Trump
Chairman, Trump University

We hear terrible things about outsourcing jobs--how sending work outside of our companies is contributing to the demise of American businesses. But in this instance I have to take the unpopular stance that it is not always a terrible thing.

I understand that outsourcing means that employees lose jobs. Because work is often outsourced to other countries, it means Americans lose jobs. In other cases, nonunion employees get the work. Losing jobs is never a good thing, but we have to look at the bigger picture.

Last year, Nobel Prize-winning economist Dr. Lawrence R. Klein, the founder of Wharton Econometric Forecasting Associates, co-authored a study that showed how global outsourcing actually creates more jobs and increases wages, at least for IT workers. The study found that outsourcing helped companies be more competitive and more productive. That means they make more money, which means they funnel more into the economy, thereby, creating more jobs.

I know that doesn't make it any easier for people whose jobs have been outsourced overseas, but if a company's only means of survival is by farming jobs outside its walls, then sometimes it's a necessary step. The other option might be to close its doors for good.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060507011645/http://donaldtrump.trumpuniversity.com/default.asp?item=98255


http://a.abcnews.com/images/Business/abc_donald_trump_made_in_china_products_dm_110428_ wmain_4x3_608.jpg

http://www.samakal.net/assets/images/news_images/2016/07/01/dt_6953.jpg

Why on Earth did you fools choose to make this man the face of the anti 1% cheap labor exploiter movement? Dude is the absolute living embodiment of everything you claim to hate. :biggums:

Thats shit from eleven freaking years ago.

Both parties are based on exploitation and have no regard for the environment.

Trump has two critical policies RIGHT NOW which there is literally no argument against:
protecting the borders and curbing immigration
protecting the domestic economy and stopping global corporatism

Hillary has made it pretty clear she is in favour of rampant, uncontrolled immigration and doesn't give a shit about anyone beyond the 1%

I'm rolling with Trump because he's the lesser of two evils and after 8 years of Obama, the worst President since Carter, I can't have another Democrat in the White House (not that it matter to me as I live in Australia), on principle.

[JtotheIzzo]

You are a very sad individual.

I honestly feel depressed just being around people of your ilk.

You are exactly the sort who thinks that having a 'strong dollar' is more important than protecting the native wildlife of a country you want to exploit.

Still thinks that whitey is the bad guy and the only one with something to gain.:facepalm

Westerners arent exploiting shit, these countries are making millionaires daily , your backwards ideal that whitey is standing on the throats of Asians is ignorant and outdated.

i am just explaining how the system that has halved poverty in 25 years works, warts and all, my apologies if it doesnt fit your kumbaya delicate sensibilities.

AND FYI, I'd rather have a weak dollar because I send more Western made products to Asia than vice-versa . This never used to be the case

[masonanddixon]

Still thinks that whitey is the bad guy and the only one with something to gain.:facepalm

Westerners arent exploiting shit, these countries are making millionaires daily , your backwards ideal that whitey is standing on the throats of Asians is ignorant and outdated.

i am just explaining how the system that has halved poverty in 25 years works, warts and all, my apologies if it doesnt fit your kumbaya delicate sensibilities.

AND FYI, I'd rather have a weak dollar because I send more Western made products to Asia than vice-versa . This never used to be the case

This has nothing to do with whitey and everything to do with protecting the sanctity of the environment.

I don't go to the beach or to a national park to see suburbs and development, I go to enjoy the inherent beauty of the world that people like you seem determined to destroy.

Creating a few multi millionaires in a third world country while 99.999% live in abject poverty isn't really the route humanity should be going, but I wouldn't expect a liberal to see otherwise...

And have you ever seen China? It's seriously ****ing depressing. The main cities are actually declared by the WHO to be a threat to just live and breathe in every day...it's ****ing sad. The place has turned into an industrial wasteland all inside of 25 years...if you can't see how destructive your mentality is there is no hope for you.

[NumberSix]

As if the national popular poll even matters. :oldlol:

The electoral map is looking really bleak for Trump as the days go by and I am by no means a Hillary Clinton "supporter." I'll vote for her, but that's just because I'd rather not have a delusional reality TV star running the country.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
They're both pretty bad candidates, but Trump stands closer to preserving the founding principles than Hillary.

[TheMan]

Hillary is done, man.

Main stream media is manipulating the online pool results.

This is going to be just like Brexit.
OK, if that makes you sleep at night :rolleyes:

Brexit and the US elections are two seperate and very different things.

You Trumpys are so desperate for a ray of light you'll clutch on to ANYTHING.

Pretty sad IMO :(

[TheMan]

So... She wants the Donald to succeed? :confusedshrug:

And his platform is trickle down economics on steroids. He wants to lower corporate tax rates to 15% (currently the top rate is at 39%). Clinton has called for instituting the Buffet Rule, closing the carried interest loophole (one of the worst contributors to the wealth gap), and instituting a clawback tax to end subsidies for companies that flee overseas (with Obama already taking action against corporate inversions this year... I see you Pfizer).

And the Donald IS the global corporate parasite you keep talking about. :oldlol:

His policies would crush the middle class and lead to an even worse recession (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/21/trumps-policies-would-cause-lengthy-recession-moodys.html) than the last one we saw when the GOP was in the Oval Office.



Outsourcing Creates Jobs in the Long Run
Posted: 8/29/2005 5:30:00 PM

by Donald J. Trump
Chairman, Trump University

We hear terrible things about outsourcing jobs--how sending work outside of our companies is contributing to the demise of American businesses. But in this instance I have to take the unpopular stance that it is not always a terrible thing.

I understand that outsourcing means that employees lose jobs. Because work is often outsourced to other countries, it means Americans lose jobs. In other cases, nonunion employees get the work. Losing jobs is never a good thing, but we have to look at the bigger picture.

Last year, Nobel Prize-winning economist Dr. Lawrence R. Klein, the founder of Wharton Econometric Forecasting Associates, co-authored a study that showed how global outsourcing actually creates more jobs and increases wages, at least for IT workers. The study found that outsourcing helped companies be more competitive and more productive. That means they make more money, which means they funnel more into the economy, thereby, creating more jobs.

I know that doesn't make it any easier for people whose jobs have been outsourced overseas, but if a company's only means of survival is by farming jobs outside its walls, then sometimes it's a necessary step. The other option might be to close its doors for good.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060507011645/http://donaldtrump.trumpuniversity.com/default.asp?item=98255


http://a.abcnews.com/images/Business/abc_donald_trump_made_in_china_products_dm_110428_ wmain_4x3_608.jpg

http://www.samakal.net/assets/images/news_images/2016/07/01/dt_6953.jpg

Why on Earth did you fools choose to make this man the face of the anti 1% cheap labor exploiter movement? Dude is the absolute living embodiment of everything you claim to hate. :biggums:
His mouthbreathing supporters will ignore this :lol

[Dresta]

Southeast Asia is already much more industrialized and urbanized than most of the US, and if you think whitey is the bad guy here with respect to the environment and working conditions you are dead wrong. If you are talking about the greater 'we' than yes, the world is a shithole, but everyone is going to take their kick at the can when it comes to industrialization, China is going through their industrial era now (as is much of SE Asia), Africa is next. It is a stepping stone to becoming an advanced nation. Europe and NA went through it 100 years ago, its messy and ugly but we have made advances and it will get easier and cleaner as time goes on. The trouble with Asia is they are way more corrupt and have way less regulation.

There is pristine nature everywhere, so that is a moot point as to what is destroyed, people would rather have food to eat and money to spend than a park to frolic in, this will never change it is hardwired in us as a species.

Competition is good for the US because it has such a massive headstart on these countries, and the competition for the manufacturing is just a drop in the bucket, the real money is in branding and licensing and the last time I checked all the fashion brand s are western or japanese and the ten biggest companies in the world are American. Americans own huge swatches of the development of every country, think of the US world police as a form of insurance to US interests and stability.

People don't need to be wiped out, there has been struggles since the beginning of time, some groups are up, some are down, what made the Moors strong 1000 years ago is killing them today, its an ebb and flow. The US has positioned its empire to thrive along side others thriving, no empire has ever done that, this is why I think American global hegemony is a net positive and has lasting potential.You are a real piece of shit, and a perfect illustration of why the world despises America. Honestly, the attitude of people like you, your unconcern for interfering with and sweeping away native cultures to make way for modern industry, is disgusting, and despicable. "American global hegemony" is in direct conflict with cultures from other parts of the world, and it is why you're seeing such a powerful reaction to American economic imperialism. Stop forcing your vision of how the world should be down everyone's throats: this is nothing but a modern version of colonialism, and these things have seismic and far-reaching effects that cannot be properly predicted. Not to mention that to spread your culture, while neglecting the religion that spawned said culture, is to get things ass-backwards.

Rethink your life you complete asshole. Money isn't everything. In detaching people from their native ways of life you create chaos (internal and external).

[Dresta]

His mouthbreathing supporters will ignore this :lol
It is a red herring that has already been replied to multiple times. All posting that Trump makes his shit in Bangladesh or Mexico does is reinforce his position on trade (that the incentives push Americans to do their business elsewhere).

Why do you find this so complicated?

[Dresta]

You are a very sad individual.

I honestly feel depressed just being around people of your ilk.

You are exactly the sort who thinks that having a 'strong dollar' is more important than protecting the native wildlife of a country you want to exploit.
Yes, the man is a fanatic who thinks the whole world ought to live like him. He doesn't even have the imagination to imagine why people might not like this.

[TheMan]

It is a red herring that has already been replied to multiple times. All posting that Trump makes his shit in Bangladesh or Mexico does is reinforce his position on trade (that the incentives push Americans to do their business elsewhere).

Why do you find this so complicated?
Unbelievable :facepalm

There are companies that still make shit in America, if he really believed in what he says, he'd set an example or else look like a hypocritical liar, no?

What is it about Trump that most of his most ardent supporters like Dresta don't even live in the US? poido, nick young, masonanddixon, fiddy etc

You guys really want the US to tank, be honest, that's why you want the most idiotic candidate ever to win the POTUS, you're hidden agenda is the destruction of America's global dominance.

Treacherous cvnts :mad:

[DonDadda59]

Thats shit from eleven freaking years ago.

So the Donald shut down his foreign sweatshops and is solely hiring Americans at his various businesses?


In his speech last week accepting the nomination at the Republican National Convention, Donald Trump said "The American People will come first once again."

But recent filings with the government show that two of the billionaire candidate's businesses have once again taken steps to bring in foreign workers to do jobs that critics say could be handled by Americans.

Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club and Jupiter Golf Club have filed documents to bring in as many as 78 foreign workers for the next fiscal year. In total, records filed at the U.S. Department of Labor and reviewed by CNN reveal that in the last 15 years, Donald Trump's various businesses have been granted approval to import at least 1,256 foreign guest workers.

...

Trump has stated publicly that he cannot find Americans to take the jobs his properties give to foreign guest workers. "You cannot get help during the season. The season goes from like October to March. It's almost impossible to get help,"

Trump said earlier in the campaign, responding to why he hired foreign guest workers at his Mar-a-Lago club. "And part of the reason you can't get American people is they want full time jobs."

Trump's argument, in all cases of importing foreign workers, is that no Americans would accept the jobs he is offering, and that he tried his best to find Americans to work, but couldn't fill the positions. Trying to find Americans to fill the jobs is a requirement on the Department of Labor Visa Applications, and the Trump Organization claims it followed the regulations to the letter.

Despite his repeated assurances that he will bring jobs home to America, Trump uses an employment agency that specializes in overseas hires.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/28/news/donald-trump-foreign-workers/

-July 28th, 2016 AKA About A Week Ago


Both parties are based on exploitation and have no regard for the environment.

One party accepts Climate Change as real, engineered a Historic Climate Change Accord between nearly 200 Nations, and is pushing for a shift from the fossil fuel paradigm to clean energy (that's one of the major proponents of Clinton's jobs program).

The other party?

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/uDFmIDPzCo4znxgzKlT0_jgv4CqHkarUrQ005ED_HbclD4Ex32 hmOHsAn95kbFc_WZMiOQ1BMlRj4Fu-vDLyOgnT3syuxfWFY8KxoEWpqd9gxcPzZnQUM8q76jkJzs7IQU Nr_cUt

:ohwell:


Trump has two critical policies RIGHT NOW which there is literally no argument against:
protecting the borders and curbing immigration
protecting the domestic economy and stopping global corporatism

Georgia tried Drumpf's get rid of immigrants plan (http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/#6de292da404a) back in 2011 and it was an unequivocal disaster. 5 years later, Georgia Republicans are, like the Donald, begging the federal government to allow more foreign workers into the State (http://www.myajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/losses-grow-for-georgia-farmers-waiting-on-feds-to/nrGQn/).

And now you know why Clinton is up in the staunchly red Peach State right now. They've seen firsthand the devastating effect of the Donald's misguided policies that his own companies don't institute.


Hillary has made it pretty clear she is in favour of rampant, uncontrolled immigration and doesn't give a shit about anyone beyond the 1%

Nah.


I'm rolling with Trump because he's the lesser of two evils and after 8 years of Obama, the worst President since Carter, I can't have another Democrat in the White House (not that it matter to me as I live in Australia), on principle.

Color me shocked.

Is it just me or are the only Drumpf supporters on this site people who don't even live in the U.S.? If I didn't know any better, I'd say it's a conspiracy by foreign actors to destabilize and undermine America, the Greatest Nation in the HIstory of Mankind. :coleman:

[Dresta]

Unbelievable :facepalm

There are companies that still make shit in America, if he really believed in what he says, he'd set an example or else look like a hypocritical liar, no?

What is it about Trump that most of his most ardent supporters like Dresta don't even live in the US? poido, nick young, masonanddixon, fiddy etc

You guys really want the US to tank, be honest, that's why you want the most idiotic candidate ever to win the POTUS, you're hidden agenda is the destruction of America's global dominance.

Treacherous cvnts :mad:
There's nothing "ardent" about pointing out moronic arguments; I don't even like Trump, I just like cheap and idiotic arguments a good deal less. This is a cheap and idiotic argument: a businessman will take his business abroad if there's little incentive for him to stay. That's just a plain acknowledgment of reality, but I know, you live in a world of utter fantasy.

And yes, why would I want a unilateral American world order? Doesn't matter how noble the aim, trying to bend the world to your will is a great evil, and having no one to restrain your ambition leads to incredible hubris and conceit (and inhumanity towards those who won't acquiesce)--left-wing people used to agree with this, but i'm glad you guys have shown your true colours as jingoists for the American Empire. Could it be more obvious that Liberals are now the defenders and conservators of the established world order?

[Akrazotile]

So the Donald shut down his foreign sweatshops and is solely hiring Americans at his various businesses?


In his speech last week accepting the nomination at the Republican National Convention, Donald Trump said "The American People will come first once again."

But recent filings with the government show that two of the billionaire candidate's businesses have once again taken steps to bring in foreign workers to do jobs that critics say could be handled by Americans.

Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club and Jupiter Golf Club have filed documents to bring in as many as 78 foreign workers for the next fiscal year. In total, records filed at the U.S. Department of Labor and reviewed by CNN reveal that in the last 15 years, Donald Trump's various businesses have been granted approval to import at least 1,256 foreign guest workers.

...

Trump has stated publicly that he cannot find Americans to take the jobs his properties give to foreign guest workers. "You cannot get help during the season. The season goes from like October to March. It's almost impossible to get help,"

Trump said earlier in the campaign, responding to why he hired foreign guest workers at his Mar-a-Lago club. "And part of the reason you can't get American people is they want full time jobs."

Trump's argument, in all cases of importing foreign workers, is that no Americans would accept the jobs he is offering, and that he tried his best to find Americans to work, but couldn't fill the positions. Trying to find Americans to fill the jobs is a requirement on the Department of Labor Visa Applications, and the Trump Organization claims it followed the regulations to the letter.

Despite his repeated assurances that he will bring jobs home to America, Trump uses an employment agency that specializes in overseas hires.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/28/news/donald-trump-foreign-workers/

-July 28th, 2016 AKA About A Week Ago



One party accepts Climate Change as real, engineered a Historic Climate Change Accord between nearly 200 Nations, and is pushing for a shift from the fossil fuel paradigm to clean energy (that's one of the major proponents of Clinton's jobs program).

The other party?

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/uDFmIDPzCo4znxgzKlT0_jgv4CqHkarUrQ005ED_HbclD4Ex32 hmOHsAn95kbFc_WZMiOQ1BMlRj4Fu-vDLyOgnT3syuxfWFY8KxoEWpqd9gxcPzZnQUM8q76jkJzs7IQU Nr_cUt

:ohwell:



Georgia tried Drumpf's get rid of immigrants plan (http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/#6de292da404a) back in 2011 and it was an unequivocal disaster. 5 years later, Georgia Republicans are, like the Donald, begging the federal government to allow more foreign workers into the State (http://www.myajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/losses-grow-for-georgia-farmers-waiting-on-feds-to/nrGQn/).

And now you know why Clinton is up in the staunchly red Peach State right now. They've seen firsthand the devastating effect of the Donald's misguided policies that his own companies don't institute.



Nah.



Color me shocked.

Is it just me or are the only Drumpf supporters on this site people who don't even live in the U.S.? If I didn't know any better, I'd say it's a conspiracy by foreign actors to destabilize and undermine America, the Greatest Nation in the HIstory of Mankind. :coleman:


Whether Trump is sincere or not, I have no idea, but youre missing (perhaps intentionally) a very important point.

As a businessman, Trump has to use the rules available in order to compete. That doesnt mean he agrees with all those rules. But if his competitors are allowed to legally take advantage of loopholes and lax immigration, he will go out of business if he does not do likewise.

Just like most guys in baseball probably wish there was a way to get steroids out of the game completely, but as long as others are getting that edge, it leaves them little choice but to do the same, or go by the wayside.

Trump supporting a change in policy that legally prevents reliance from ALL businesses on foreign workers is not hypocritical vis a vis his usage of what the current law permits, in order to compete.

[TheMan]

So the Donald shut down his foreign sweatshops and is solely hiring Americans at his various businesses?


In his speech last week accepting the nomination at the Republican National Convention, Donald Trump said "The American People will come first once again."

But recent filings with the government show that two of the billionaire candidate's businesses have once again taken steps to bring in foreign workers to do jobs that critics say could be handled by Americans.

Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club and Jupiter Golf Club have filed documents to bring in as many as 78 foreign workers for the next fiscal year. In total, records filed at the U.S. Department of Labor and reviewed by CNN reveal that in the last 15 years, Donald Trump's various businesses have been granted approval to import at least 1,256 foreign guest workers.

...

Trump has stated publicly that he cannot find Americans to take the jobs his properties give to foreign guest workers. "You cannot get help during the season. The season goes from like October to March. It's almost impossible to get help,"

Trump said earlier in the campaign, responding to why he hired foreign guest workers at his Mar-a-Lago club. "And part of the reason you can't get American people is they want full time jobs."

Trump's argument, in all cases of importing foreign workers, is that no Americans would accept the jobs he is offering, and that he tried his best to find Americans to work, but couldn't fill the positions. Trying to find Americans to fill the jobs is a requirement on the Department of Labor Visa Applications, and the Trump Organization claims it followed the regulations to the letter.

Despite his repeated assurances that he will bring jobs home to America, Trump uses an employment agency that specializes in overseas hires.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/28/news/donald-trump-foreign-workers/

-July 28th, 2016 AKA About A Week Ago



One party accepts Climate Change as real, engineered a Historic Climate Change Accord between nearly 200 Nations, and is pushing for a shift from the fossil fuel paradigm to clean energy (that's one of the major proponents of Clinton's jobs program).

The other party?

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/uDFmIDPzCo4znxgzKlT0_jgv4CqHkarUrQ005ED_HbclD4Ex32 hmOHsAn95kbFc_WZMiOQ1BMlRj4Fu-vDLyOgnT3syuxfWFY8KxoEWpqd9gxcPzZnQUM8q76jkJzs7IQU Nr_cUt

:ohwell:



Georgia tried Drumpf's get rid of immigrants plan (http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/#6de292da404a) back in 2011 and it was an unequivocal disaster. 5 years later, Georgia Republicans are, like the Donald, begging the federal government to allow more foreign workers into the State (http://www.myajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/losses-grow-for-georgia-farmers-waiting-on-feds-to/nrGQn/).

And now you know why Clinton is up in the staunchly red Peach State right now. They've seen firsthand the devastating effect of the Donald's misguided policies that his own companies don't institute.



Nah.



Color me shocked.

Is it just me or are the only Drumpf supporters on this site people who don't even live in the U.S.? If I didn't know any better, I'd say it's a conspiracy by foreign actors to destabilize and undermine America, the Greatest Nation in the HIstory of Mankind. :coleman:
Bingo :applause:

They actually hate America and want to see it's downfall with such a ridiculous candidate as Trump, they see this as their best shot at America having an economic collapse with the policies he's pushing and America losing it's global standing by the isolationist tones of Trump's speeches. Dresta has been predicting (hoping) for an American economic collapse for years now...coincidence???

They hate America, that's their hidden agenda. They want a George W Bush presidency on steroids. :facepalm

These foreigners know exactly what they want, the percipitous decline of American power. People like Akrazotile though, those are too stupid to realize they are being tricked into supporting the destruction of America as we know it. Just throw in some racist rantings here and there and that inbred halfwit mouthbreather will eat it up.

Pretty pathetic :(

[JtotheIzzo]

This has nothing to do with whitey and everything to do with protecting the sanctity of the environment.

I don't go to the beach or to a national park to see suburbs and development, I go to enjoy the inherent beauty of the world that people like you seem determined to destroy.

Creating a few multi millionaires in a third world country while 99.999% live in abject poverty isn't really the route humanity should be going, but I wouldn't expect a liberal to see otherwise...

And have you ever seen China? It's seriously ****ing depressing. The main cities are actually declared by the WHO to be a threat to just live and breathe in every day...it's ****ing sad. The place has turned into an industrial wasteland all inside of 25 years...if you can't see how destructive your mentality is there is no hope for you.

I've actually lived in China (Guangdong Province) and while much of the industrial areas are disgusting as well as the big cities there are plenty of pristine areas and some of the most spectacular natural beauty on the planet is within its borders.

How is this my mentality, my business is largely focused on selling Western finished goods into Asia? It is the exact opposite of what you think. Previously I have worked for and consulted for Chinese OEMs (companies who make stuff for big Western brands) and the first thing I noticed is how many Chinese want to work these jobs and how much influence the workers have and how much vertical mobility they have in their career.

Industrialization is ugly everywhere (the river in Cleveland once caught fire) but are you saying that these other countries should stay poor because you sleep better at night with the thought that no nature is being harmed. That is the same bullshit, arrogant, unsustainable logical of the hipsters who eat organic food.
Western countries industrialized and got rich, but you want to deny others the same opportunity.

Its doesn't work like that, but then again no one every accused you of knowing how things work.

[TheMan]

There's nothing "ardent" about pointing out moronic arguments; I don't even like Trump, I just like cheap and idiotic arguments a good deal less. This is a cheap and idiotic argument: a businessman will take his business abroad if there's little incentive for him to stay. That's just a plain acknowledgment of reality, but I know, you live in a world of utter fantasy.

And yes, why would I want a unilateral American world order? Doesn't matter how noble the aim, trying to bend the world to your will is a great evil, and having no one to restrain your ambition leads to incredible hubris and conceit (and inhumanity towards those who won't acquiesce)--left-wing people used to agree with this, but i'm glad you guys have shown your true colours as jingoists for the American Empire. Could it be more obvious that Liberals are now the defenders and conservators of the established world order?
At least you admit it :applause:

So when America steps back from it's global leadership, let's have China fill the void, that human rights haven or Russia! Yaaay!!!

:facepalm

[JtotheIzzo]

You are a real piece of shit, and a perfect illustration of why the world despises America. Honestly, the attitude of people like you, your unconcern for interfering with and sweeping away native cultures to make way for modern industry, is disgusting, and despicable. "American global hegemony" is in direct conflict with cultures from other parts of the world, and it is why you're seeing such a powerful reaction to American economic imperialism. Stop forcing your vision of how the world should be down everyone's throats: this is nothing but a modern version of colonialism, and these things have seismic and far-reaching effects that cannot be properly predicted. Not to mention that to spread your culture, while neglecting the religion that spawned said culture, is to get things ass-backwards.

Rethink your life you complete asshole. Money isn't everything. In detaching people from their native ways of life you create chaos (internal and external).

No one is detaching anyone from their native ways. Holy shit people on here are f*cking morons who have no clue how the world works.

It is so f*cking racist to assume that westerners do what they want and other cultures haven't put in safeguards to protect themselves and their environments.

No business people are going abroad and telling the locals what is what, that is not how it works.

People are so dumb.

And for the record, my business is largely centered around selling finished Western goods into Asia, the EXACT OPPOSITE of the ignorant, childish, uninformed personal attacks you seem to be making. I am actually opening new markets to Western manufacturers and creating jobs and raising money for Western countries.

You know why? Because Asian countries have pulled themselves out of poverty and now have the means to purchase high end, Western made, quality shit.

I am sorry if your feelings were hurt by my description of the way things work.

[Dresta]

I've actually lived in China (Guangdong Province) and while much of the industrial areas are disgusting as well as the big cities there are plenty of pristine areas and some of the most spectacular natural beauty on the planet is within its borders.

How is this my mentality, my business is largely focused on selling Western finished goods into Asia? It is the exact opposite of what you think. Previously I have worked for and consulted for Chinese OEMs (companies who make stuff for big Western brands) and the first thing I noticed is how many Chinese want to work these jobs and how much influence the workers have and how much vertical mobility they have in their career.

Industrialization is ugly everywhere (the river in Cleveland once caught fire) but are you saying that these other countries should stay poor because you sleep better at night with the thought that no nature is being harmed. That is the same bullshit, arrogant, unsustainable logical of the hipsters who eat organic food.
Western countries industrialized and got rich, but you want to deny others the same opportunity.

Its doesn't work like that, but then again no one every accused you of knowing how things work.Yeah, dude, the Chinese people are really being consulted on this one :facepalm . You've noticed that rich Chinese people want to make money? Well, no shit. But that's what you do: don't pretend you converse with or understand the Chinese peasantry; your interaction is limited almost entirely to elites that share your money-making interest, and somehow this informs your perceptions of all Chinese people.

If you don't recognise that the tempo of industrialization makes a huge difference for those who have to live through it then you are a fool--nor do you seem aware how this industrialization was forced down everyone's throats by a mass-murdering regime that killed millions of people--it wasn't some organic development, but a foreign ideology, imposed from above, against the will of the people. You are just exploiting people, and using the belief that your helping them in the long-run to justify your despicable behaviour. And so it's no wonder why you hold the opinions you do: they are determined by your own economic self-interest.

[JtotheIzzo]

Yeah, dude, the Chinese people are really being consulted on this one :facepalm . You've noticed that rich Chinese people want to make money? Well, no shit. But that's what you do: don't pretend you converse with or understand the Chinese peasantry; your interaction is limited almost entirely to elites that share your money-making interest, and somehow this informs your perceptions of all Chinese people.

If you don't recognise that the tempo of industrialization makes a huge difference for those who have to live through it then you are a fool--nor do you seem aware how this industrialization was forced down everyone's throats by a mass-murdering regime that killed millions of people--it wasn't some organic development, but a foreign ideology, imposed from above, against the will of the people. You are just exploiting people, and using the belief that your helping them in the long-run to justify your despicable behaviour. And so it's no wonder why you hold the opinions you do: they are determined by your own economic self-interest.

Wow, this is the biggest pile of nonsense I have ever read. You might fool some people because you are above average in the articulate department for ISH, but this kind of logic is really a bad look for you.

You haven't a clue, sorry.

China has pulled more than half a million people out of poverty in the last 25 years. But you think it is all oppression from a totalitarian regime.

You have slurped up way too much of the bunk you have been fed, your only recourse is to attack me personally with wild nonsensical accusations which sadly make zero sense.

You haven't a clue, and your concept of elitists and how business actually works sounds like the musings of a middle-schooler who just discovered an Alex Jones podcast.

Embarrassing dude, really really bad look on your part.

My advice, go back and delete this post, and ask me nicely to delete the quote, having this on record exposes you really badly as a seriously uninformed individual.

[Dresta]

At least you admit it :applause:

So when America steps back from it's global leadership, let's have China fill the void, that human rights haven or Russia! Yaaay!!!

:facepalm
What void? America isn't filling a void, it's imposing itself disgracefully onto cultures that it undermines and destroys, attempting to spread a dull and monolithic politico-religious ideology throughout the world.

That you think one country has to "lead" the world shows what a simpleton you are. Why does one country have to lead the entire world? Indeed, it is obviously impractical, and why the US is collapsing from its own overextension and international commitments. How can you possibly justify such incredible hubris and arrogance?

And how can't you see that it is this hubris and arrogance that leads to things like the Iraq war, and the Libyan intervention, and the growth of ISIS? Such a vast military-industrial structure needs enemies to perpetuate itself: if it doesn't have any, it will create them, and manipulate the people into fearing them (as was done with Saddam, with Gaddafi, with Assad, and with Putin). You lap this shit up like a good little dog.

You only prove my point with such jingoistic drivel.

[TheMan]

What void? America isn't filling a void, it's imposing itself disgracefully onto cultures that it undermines and destroys, attempting to spread a dull and monolithic politico-religious ideology throughout the world.

That you think one country has to "lead" the world shows what a simpleton you are. Why does one country have to lead the entire world? Indeed, it is obviously impractical, and why the US is collapsing from its own overextension and international commitments. How can you possibly justify such incredible hubris and arrogance?

And how can't you see that it is this hubris and arrogance that leads to things like the Iraq war, and the Libyan intervention, and the growth of ISIS? Such a vast military-industrial structure needs enemies to perpetuate itself: if it doesn't have any, it will create them, and manipulate the people into fearing them (as was done with Saddam, with Gaddafi, with Assad, and with Putin). You lap this shit up like a good little dog.

You only prove my point with such jingoistic drivel.
The ME is a shithole, we should've been smarter years ago and gone to other energy sources so we wouldn't be so dependant on oil.

If it weren't for their oil, the US, China and to an extant Russia, would leave those people to their own devices and let them just kill themselves to their heart's desires, no fvcks given.

Yeah, we fvcked up on that one.

[sd3035]

I've actually lived in China (Guangdong Province) and while much of the industrial areas are disgusting as well as the big cities there are plenty of pristine areas and some of the most spectacular natural beauty on the planet is within its borders.

How is this my mentality, my business is largely focused on selling Western finished goods into Asia? It is the exact opposite of what you think. Previously I have worked for and consulted for Chinese OEMs (companies who make stuff for big Western brands) and the first thing I noticed is how many Chinese want to work these jobs and how much influence the workers have and how much vertical mobility they have in their career.

Industrialization is ugly everywhere (the river in Cleveland once caught fire) but are you saying that these other countries should stay poor because you sleep better at night with the thought that no nature is being harmed. That is the same bullshit, arrogant, unsustainable logical of the hipsters who eat organic food.
Western countries industrialized and got rich, but you want to deny others the same opportunity.

Its doesn't work like that, but then again no one every accused you of knowing how things work.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Dresta]

Wow, this is the biggest pile of nonsense I have ever read. You might fool some people because you are above average in the articulate department for ISH, but this kind of logic is really a bad look for you.

You haven't a clue, sorry.

China has pulled more than half a million people out of poverty in the last 25 years. But you think it is all oppression from a totalitarian regime.

You have slurped up way too much of the bunk you have been fed, your only recourse is to attack me personally with wild nonsensical accusations which sadly make zero sense.

You haven't a clue, and your concept of elitists and how business actually works sounds like the musings of a middle-schooler who just discovered an Alex Jones podcast.

Embarrassing dude, really really bad look on your part.

My advice, go back and delete this post, and ask me nicely to delete the quote, having this on record exposes you really badly as a seriously uninformed individual.
The bolded is a straw-man, arguing against something I never even implied, let alone said.

It is a well-known fact that international business interests exploit local populations. Stop denying the obvious just so you can justify your vile and exploitative behaviour. The vulture capitalist has always been good at pretending he's doing other people favours.

Alex Jones is a bloody freedom fanatic and dogmatic free-market capitalist--I would've thought it obvious by now that I am not--you clearly have more similarities with his ilk than I.

And thanks for showing that it is you who doesn't have a clue: I was talking about the Great Leap Forward, not the past 25 years, which was obviously forced down people's throats by a government that killed 10s of millions in its rush towards industrialisation, and its lack of care for the people grievously effected by it. Though, of course, I think the continuing myopic focus on material progress of the Chinese to be harmful, even though they have become less rigid in this approach over time.

Yes, China would be far, far better off in the long run if it had industrialised more slowly. As it is, China's economy is wrought with asymmetries, and there are whole cities void of people, and its population have been grievously dehumanised; stop pretending this doesn't impact people's lives negatively: of course it bloody does.

I suppose this is the sort of thing you're making money off, is it?:

http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-ghost-cities-in-2014-2014-6

[JtotheIzzo]

The bolded is a straw-man, arguing against something I never even implied, let alone said.

It is a well-known fact that international business interests exploit local populations. Stop denying the obvious just so you can justify your vile and exploitative behaviour. The vulture capitalist has always been good at pretending he's doing other people favours.

Alex Jones is a bloody freedom fanatic and dogmatic free-market capitalist--I would've thought it obvious by now that I am not--you clearly have more similarities with his ilk than I.

And thanks for showing that it is you who doesn't have a clue: I was talking about the Great Leap Forward, not the past 25 years, which was obviously forced down people's throats by a government that killed 10s of millions in its rush towards industrialisation, and its lack of care for the people grievously effected by it. Though, of course, I think the continuing myopic focus on material progress of the Chinese to be harmful, even though they have become less rigid in this approach over time.

Yes, China would be far, far better off in the long run if it had industrialised more slowly. As it is, China's economy is wrought with asymmetries, and there are whole cities void of people, and its population have been grievously dehumanised; stop pretending this doesn't impact people's lives negatively: of course it bloody does.

I suppose this is the sort of thing you're making money off, is it?:

http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-ghost-cities-in-2014-2014-6

Yes, I am making money off Chinese real estate developments...:facepalm

Those developments are issues because Chinese do business far more aggressively than Westerners, not because Westerners exploit them.

Also, China has had a market culture for thousands of years, we didn't introduce anything to them.

I like how you took the great leap forward (a communist disaster) as some sort of harbinger for capitalism.

What is best about your post is that you still continue to ignore what I actually do and paint me as some fictional elitist out to steal some native tribesman's burial ground so I can build a factory.

So much nonsense coming from you. I like how you bolded my 'strawman' argument, jeez, I would have to bold your entire posting history to get the same balance.

So sad, I actually thought you were a decent poster, wow, I guess I am a little dumb too. wink wink

[gigantes]

Julian Assange mercilessly CREAMPIES Bill Maher
well, shit. it sounds like you watched a different video than the one you linked.

creampies... what creampies are you talking about, exactly? i personally did not see any "shit-flinging" or one-upsmanship going on between them. more like-- two people who are clearly friends who happen to quibble on various issues, just like, you know... a whole bunch of other guests maher has on his show.

maybe you're not very familiar with his show, tho. when people get after it on real time, they GET AFTER IT. (youtube is your friend)

also... i loved it when assange asked if maher planned to donate $1 million to hillary's campaign the same way he did for obama's, and maher replied "f-ck no." :oldlol:

[Dresta]

No one is detaching anyone from their native ways. Holy shit people on here are f*cking morons who have no clue how the world works.

It is so f*cking racist to assume that westerners do what they want and other cultures haven't put in safeguards to protect themselves and their environments.

No business people are going abroad and telling the locals what is what, that is not how it works.

People are so dumb.

And for the record, my business is largely centered around selling finished Western goods into Asia, the EXACT OPPOSITE of the ignorant, childish, uninformed personal attacks you seem to be making. I am actually opening new markets to Western manufacturers and creating jobs and raising money for Western countries.

You know why? Because Asian countries have pulled themselves out of poverty and now have the means to purchase high end, Western made, quality shit.

I am sorry if your feelings were hurt by my description of the way things work.
See, this is how naive and stupid you are: you claim not to be detaching anyone from their native culture while selling people American products that work to do just that. Talk about ignorant :hammerhead:.

I'll quote someone who can explain it better than I (T.S. Eliot, not Alex Jones btw):


"America has tended to impose its way of life chiefly in the course of doing business and creating a taste for its commodities. Even the humblest material artefact, which is the product and symbol of a particular civilisation, is an emissary of the culture out of which it comes: I mention that influential and inflammable article the celluloid film. American economic expansion can be also, in its way, the cause of disintegration of cultures which it touches."

This is a man who had a deeper understanding of culture than most people, and who saw the influence of this spreading of American culture as it was happening. I don't think any serious person denies that the world has become heavily Americanised as a result of this.

Sorry for not liking the universalisation of American culture: I think it is destructive, I think it is crude, and I think it a product of an indulgent culture of self-gratification. You want everyone to be like Americans when Americans are the most depressed, anxious and narcoticised population on the planet (not currently in a civil war). Clearly material wealth and material gratification are not everything, but American culture pretends that it is, and has sold this delusion around the world, to deleterious effect.

There is a reason national politics is so uniform across the West: the imposition of American culture, and its stultifying influence on any intelligent understanding of culture (or its importance), and serious political debate. The mindless obsession with meaningless abstractions like "democracy" is another American contribution that has done nothing but harm.

[TheMan]

Dresta is arguing to stop developing nations from trying to be modern industrialized nations, in other words, keep em poor and starving :hammerhead:

So if people from poor countries want a better standard of living and clearly we shouldn't want their countries to be self sufficient and industrialized because of enviromental issues/their old way of life would suffer, how exactly would they attain a better way of life in this modern global market?

Should we let them emigrate to the west? How many more people from poor countries should we let in the US? In Europe or Japan and South Korea? Should we just let them stay poor and hungry in their underdeveloped but naturally prestine countries :confusedshrug:

[Dresta]

Yes, I am making money off Chinese real estate developments...:facepalm

Those developments are issues because Chinese do business far more aggressively than Westerners, not because Westerners exploit them.

Also, China has had a market culture for thousands of years, we didn't introduce anything to them.

I like how you took the great leap forward (a communist disaster) as some sort of harbinger for capitalism.

What is best about your post is that you still continue to ignore what I actually do and paint me as some fictional elitist out to steal some native tribesman's burial ground so I can build a factory.

So much nonsense coming from you. I like how you bolded my 'strawman' argument, jeez, I would have to bold your entire posting history to get the same balance.

So sad, I actually thought you were a decent poster, wow, I guess I am a little dumb too. wink wink
No, they are the product of a top-down political structure that ignores local communities and cultures, and because it is heavily centralised, can only impose universal standards (i.e. that is, uniform ones that don't account for local peculiarities). This creates a knowledge problem: see Hayek's seminal essay on the subject:

http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/hykKnw1.html

And yes, the ChiComs of the past created the political structure that has enabled the ChiComs of today to impose their own version of "capitalism" from the top-down. Now who is talking abstractly about communism and capitalism (as if one were pure goodness and the other pure evil) like Alex Jones?

I don't know or care what you do specifically; I can't stomach a person claiming to not be exerting unwanted cultural hegemony on people, while doing exactly that. Your moral and political assumptions are hegemonic, and you don't even seem to be aware of it. And are you seriously claiming the existent Chinese government isn't oppressive? That would be hilarious...

[Dresta]

Dresta is arguing to stop developing nations from trying to be modern industrialized nations, in other words, keep em poor and starving :hammerhead:

So if people from poor countries want a better standard of living and clearly we shouldn't want their countries to be self sufficient and industrialized because of enviromental issues/their old way of life would suffer, how exactly would they attain a better way of life in this modern global market?

Should we let them emigrate to the west? How many more people from poor countries should we let in the US? In Europe or Japan and South Korea? Should we just let them stay poor and hungry in their underdeveloped but naturally prestine countries :confusedshrug:
Wow, what are you blabbering about here? Where have I argued that? It is your position that requires an attitude of "we know best" being applied to foreign peoples.

The starvation and mass-murder (and also mass migration) tends to happen when dictators seize and centralise power, using western products and technology to do so, and then try to force rapid industrialisation and modernisation down their population's throats, something that requires a police state to achieve (somewhat contradicting J's opinion that this is what the people want).

In the end these things just create more problems than they solve. In many cases you get intricate systems of power and government that are western, but with levels of corruption and waste that are like 3rd world nations; the latter is what needs to change FIRST--the mores of the people is more important than the structure of its government (the latter should really grow out of the former if it is not tampered with by external powers). In other situations (where the native culture is strong enough), you get a severe backlash, like we are currently seeing in the Islamic world.

You guys either cannot understand the argument I am making here, or you are deliberately distorting it.

edit: Another example is the native American population, whose culture was effectively destroyed simply by having contact with European culture. Want to know why these people are so depressed and so prone to alcoholism? Because contact with European culture made a mockery of their own, and ridiculed everything they knew and cherished. You do not have to deliberately seek to destroy a culture to do so--all that needs to be done is to confront it with a more advanced culture that undermines it.

[The Real JW]

The mindless obsession with meaningless abstractions like "democracy" is another American contribution that has done nothing but harm.

Now you're going off the rails, sir. But I think you raised good points prior.

[TheMan]

Wow, what are you blabbering about here? Where have I argued that? It is your position that requires an attitude of "we know best" being applied to foreign peoples.

The starvation and mass-murder (and also mass migration) tends to happen when dictators seize and centralise power, using western products and technology to do so, and then try to force rapid industrialisation and modernisation down their population's throats, something that requires a police state to achieve (somewhat contradicting J's opinion that this is what the people want).

In the end these things just create more problems than they solve. In many cases you get intricate systems of power and government that are western, but with levels of corruption and waste that are like 3rd world nations; the latter is what needs to change FIRST--the mores of the people is more important than the structure of its government (the latter should really grow out of the former if it is not tampered with by external powers). In other situations (where the native culture is strong enough), you get a severe backlash, like we are currently seeing in the Islamic world.

You guys either cannot understand the argument I am making here, or you are deliberately distorting it.

edit: Another example is the native American population, whose culture was effectively destroyed simply by having contact with European culture. Want to know why these people are so depressed and so prone to alcoholism? Because contact with European culture made a mockery of their own, and ridiculed everything they knew and cherished. You do not have to deliberately seek to destroy a culture to do so--all that needs to be done is to confront it with a more advanced culture that undermines it.
Okay, you made some good points, especially your edited paragraph :cheers:

[Dresta]

Now you're going off the rails, sir. But I think you raised good points prior.
My wording might have been a bit strong, but please tell me how the abstraction of democracy is helpful? It has been turned into a fetish, and completely divorced from the conditions that went to produce the "democracy" admired in the West in the first place.

I'm not saying that democracy is necessarily a bad thing, but that the fetishisation of the concept has caused people to myopically focus on voting, as if this were the sole guarantor of rights and liberties. You can vote and be completely unfree--we see this all the time; what is happening now in Turkey is a good example of how the term "democracy" has come to mean something completely different when divorced from the context of time and place in which it developed--for many Turks, the mass suppression of dissent after the coup, and the creation of an Islamic dictatorship, is "democracy" (and Erdogan was voted in, lets not forget--he is now suppressing dissent and claiming to be "doing the work of democracy" and his people lap it up). Many people did not have the vote but had much more freedom than many people have in Erdogan's Turkey. This is why abstractions like a universal appeal to "democracy" should have no place in politics: the particular processes which form a nation's collective experience are what best informs us of what kind of political order is best suited to the people who have to live under it.

If you see how the rhetoric of democracy has confused things in the Middle East (where "democracy" is on about 5 different sides), and particularly western interpretations of the Middle East, you will see the incalculable harm it has done in recent years. The whole neocon obsession is caused by people who obsess about spreading "democracy" and voting, and look at how much harm they've done (no doubt many of them have good intentions, they're just horribly confused people).

edit: I think the ideal of self-governance is a worthy one btw (a much better way of framing it imo), but the abstraction of "democracy" doesn't encompass enough to protect this principle in my view, and is therefore mostly distracting. In fact, I think political centralisation is fundamentally anti-democratic, and yet almost all the countries that call themselves democracy have heavily centralised governments. The idea that a centralised government, which rules over 300 million people, can cater to the democratic concerns of local populations, is for me, laughable.

[NumberSix]

Dresta is arguing to stop developing nations from trying to be modern industrialized nations, in other words, keep em poor and starving :hammerhead:
I think they SHOULD be modern industrialized countries, but that's not up to us. And we can't do it for them. We can't welfare them into being self sustaining prosperous economies.

Look at Africa. All our aid money and medical help has done is turn a continent of 200 million poor starving people without a real economy into a continent of 1 billion poor starving people without a real economy.

[Terahite]

You are a real piece of shit, and a perfect illustration of why the world despises America. Honestly, the attitude of people like you, your unconcern for interfering with and sweeping away native cultures to make way for modern industry, is disgusting, and despicable. "American global hegemony" is in direct conflict with cultures from other parts of the world, and it is why you're seeing such a powerful reaction to American economic imperialism. Stop forcing your vision of how the world should be down everyone's throats: this is nothing but a modern version of colonialism, and these things have seismic and far-reaching effects that cannot be properly predicted. Not to mention that to spread your culture, while neglecting the religion that spawned said culture, is to get things ass-backwards.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[Nick Young]

These libs would be lost without Bill Maher, Trevor Noah, and John Oliver telling them what to think and say, and how to behave.

[masonanddixon]

I think they SHOULD be modern industrialized countries, but that's not up to us. And we can't do it for them. We can't welfare them into being self sustaining prosperous economies.

Look at Africa. All our aid money and medical help has done is turn a continent of 200 million poor starving people without a real economy into a continent of 1 billion poor starving people without a real economy.

Africa is now just an Asian colony. ****ing sad.

And the tribes exist now solely as a curiosity to white tourists and the like.

But hey, Africa is producing a few multimillionaires who steal the natural resources and its currency is stronger than ever! Thats all that matters, right?