If Lebron replaced Kobe, how many rings for 08-10' Lakers with Pau as spot-up shooter

[3ball]

As usual, everyone would be saying how little help Lebron had, which is hilarious, since Kobe won 2 rings by getting the most out of Pau.

[warriorfan]

Love stats Pre-LeBron - 26/13/2/59% TS

Bosh stats Pre-LeBron - 24/11/2/59% TS

Pau stats Pre-Kobe - 19/8/3/59% TS

It's safe to say that Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were better than Pau Gasol before they joined with their new teams

LeBron needed Bosh and Love as third options when he won

Kobe had Paul Gasol as a second option when he won

I don't believe LeBron would win any championships with the 08-10 Laker teams

[3ball]

Love stats Pre-LeBron - 26/13/2/59% TS

Bosh stats Pre-LeBron - 24/11/2/59% TS

Pau stats Pre-Kobe - 19/8/3/59% TS

It's safe to say that Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were better than Pau Gasol before they joined with their new teams

LeBron needed Bosh and Love as third options when he won

Kobe had Paul Gasol as a second option when he won

I don't believe LeBron would win any championships with the 08-10 Laker teams


That's interesting - let me see if I understand:

Before joining Lebron, Bosh and Love produced far more and were better players than Pau, yet Lebron used them as THIRD options, while Kobe used the lesser Pau as a SECOND option

So Lebron clearly needed greater help while winning his rings, so he couldn't win with just a PF like Kobe, especially since Lebron invariably craters the stats of his PF's.

[warriorfan]

That's interesting - let me see if I understand:

Before joining Lebron, Bosh and Love produced far more and were better players than Pau, yet Lebron used them as THIRD options, while Kobe used the lesser Pau as a SECOND option

So Lebron clearly needed greater help while winning his rings, so he couldn't win with just a PF like Kobe, especially since Lebron invariably craters the stats of his PF's.
Spot-on. Couldn't of said it better myself.

[JohnMax]

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[3ball]

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The Bulls didn't win any rings with Pau doing that.

And obviously, Lebron could never win any rings by cratering Pau's stats and turning him into a spot-up shooter like he did Bosh and Love - Lebron was lucky he had a superstar wings as 2nd options to pick up the slack... Otoh, Kobe won 2 rings by getting the most out of Pau... He didn't need a superstar wing like Wade or Kyrie because he was already getting the most out of Pau.

Ultimately, Lebron's stats are better than Kobe's, but Lebron achieves those stats by reducing teammate stats - this is statistical fact.. Otoh, Jordan (who had better stats than Lebron) and Kobe (who didn't) both achieve their stats WITHOUT reducing their teammates' stats...

NOT suppressing teammates' stats is often more important than accumulating stats yourself, which is why they're 6/6 and 5/7, while Lebron is a losing 3/7

[Dray n Klay]

LeBron won a championship this year with 0-all stars




Otoh Kobe has never won a championship with 0 all-stars







Since Gasol was an all-star in 2009-2010, we can conclude LeBron would easily win with Gasol, since he won this year with 0 all-stars

[Bankaii]

So you post nothing but raw Finals stats to support you MJ>Lebron agenda.
Yet you're using everything except for stats to support the idiotic notion that Kobe>Lebron.

Why not post their stats?:oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

LeBron won a championship this year with 0-all stars




Otoh Kobe has never won a championship with 0 all-stars







Since Gasol was an all-star in 2009-2010, we can conclude LeBron would easily win with Gasol, since he won this year with 0 all-stars

Exactly right. GASOL lead the Lakers in PER in 2010. Carrying Kobrick like nothing else:lol

[Smoke117]

1-9

[stalkerforlife]

He would need a THIRD superstar level talent to even have a chance.

As has been PROVEN.

He ONLY plays on teams with THREE SUPERSTAR level talents.

[TheWinningFam]

Kobe went 3/8 with prime shaq.

Lebron went 2-4 with washed up wade

Therefore we can conclude that lebron is the better finals performer.

[plowking]

Before joining the Lakers, Odom was a 17/10/4 guy.

Lamar Odom was a better player than Gasol too apparently, but Kobe demoted him to a 3rd option.

[Jasper]

Love stats Pre-LeBron - 26/13/2/59% TS

Bosh stats Pre-LeBron - 24/11/2/59% TS

Pau stats Pre-Kobe - 19/8/3/59% TS

It's safe to say that Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were better than Pau Gasol before they joined with their new teams

LeBron needed Bosh and Love as third options when he won

Kobe had Paul Gasol as a second option when he won

I don't believe LeBron would win any championships with the 08-10 Laker teams
You could say this = but I am embarrassed for you = PATHETIC

[Kenomax]

LeBron is about 2 leagues above Kobe, so I would say easily 5 rings.

[3ball]

LeBron is about 2 leagues above Kobe, so I would say easily 5 rings.


Kobe won 2 titles with Pau as his 2nd option, whereas Lebron needs a superstar wing to be 2nd option, since he reduces bigs like Pau/Bosh/Love into spot-up shooters.. Lebron wouldn't win shit with Pau as 2nd option spot-up shooter.

Kobe's superior success with big men is a great example of why he's the better basketball player - his more versatile scoring allows him to fit with any teammates and into any system, which enables the high brand of basketball and teamwork necessary to win consistently at the highest level (playoffs and Finals - 5/7 vs. 3/7).

Furthermore, it's statistical fact (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416393) that Lebron achieves his stats by reducing his teammates stats, which negates his statistical advantage over Kobe.. It's often more important to not suppress teammates stats than personally achieve stats, since it fosters better teamwork that can succeed consistently at the highest level.

[Kenomax]

So what if Pau had impact on Kobe level those years and we clearly see James had much bigger impact during his champs? It's good for Love, he stopped being stat padder and became good playoff player beacuse of LeBron, he even learned playing defense. Love and Kyrie were two biggest losers in pre-LeBron years, now both are champions, that's how impactful LeBron is. LeBron never had player with similiar impact to 2008-2010 Pau or with similiar frontcour. He would be winning for years having it.
The next is just some kind of joke, Kobe without a big was barely playoff player, we've got his impact stats and can clearly see he's nowhere near to GOAT level players like LeBron. How did you measure that LeBron reduces someone stats? :facepalm

[Bigsmoke]

Gasol wasn't a bad 2nd option type player at all. He was at least good enough to build a playoff caliber team around.

Mo Williams or z were supposed to be better?


I think its funny that Laker fans think bosh was better than Gasol because of his stats but when comparing LBJ to Kobe, that shit go out the window