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3ball
08-07-2016, 05:21 AM
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Jordan shot better than Curry from midrange, on 6 times the volume:




link to nba.com data --->.. JORDAN 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):... 48.9%, 1202 fga

link to dataIInba.com. S CURRY 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.. 41.1%,. 285 fga
link to dataII.nba.com S CURRY 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.. 42.5%,. 200 fga




........................MJ 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)...................Cur ry 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)............ Curry 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/) <--- link to nba.com data

5-9 ft.......... 49.2%, 126 fga........... 40.3%, 72 fga.......... 48.6%, 72 fga

10-14 ft....... 51.5%, 466 fga........... 52.9%, 85 fga.......... 50.9%, 57 fga

15-19 ft....... 49.5%, 594 fga........... 43.9%, 132 fga........ 37.3%, 102 fga



Jordan relied on unstoppable, contested fadeaways to lead the league in scoring, whereas Curry starts missing his 3-pointers if you get a real hand in his face - it's statistical fact that he shoots 70% of his 3-pointers with 4+ feet of room, per NBA.com's player-tracking stats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406865).

Obviously, Jordan didn't need 4+ feet of room for his contested, midrange fadeaway, so he was more unstoppable regardless of the defense or magnitude or the series.


Interestingly, Curry's goat 3-point shooting and Jordan's goat midrange shooting isn't needed to be a top scorer in today's game - Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan and Butler have poor midrange (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12389778&postcount=41) and 3-point, yet they're still top scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim.

MJ's athleticism would benefit the same way, except he had the goat midrange efficiency shown above, which would put him in Curry's category as a goat shooter, and gave him a similarly massive advantage over the aforementioned non-shooters Lebron, Westbrick and company.
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SouBeachTalents
08-07-2016, 05:23 AM
Curry's better in the Finals though

3ball
08-07-2016, 05:31 AM
Curry's better in the Finals though


Jordan relied on unstoppable, contested fadeaways to lead the league in scoring, whereas Curry starts missing if you get a real hand in his face - it's statistical fact that he shoots 70% of his 3-pointers with 4+ feet of room, per NBA.com's player-tracking stats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406865).

Obviously, Jordan didn't need 4+ feet of room for his contested, midrange fadeaway, so he was more unstoppable regardless of the defense of magnitude of the series.

JohnMax
08-07-2016, 05:46 AM
1992 Shot Chart (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415733)
1991-92: 53 games
Mid-Range: 336/645 52.1 FG%

1990-1992 Shot Chart (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317950)
1989-90: 35 games
1990-91: 44 games
1991-92: 47 games
126 games total
Midrange: 793/1552 51.1 FG%

3ball
08-07-2016, 05:47 AM
1992 Shot Chart (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415733)
1991-92: 53 games
Mid-Range: 336/645 52.1 FG%

1990-1992 Shot Chart (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317950)
1989-90: 35 games
1990-91: 44 games
1991-92: 47 games
126 games total
Midrange: 793/1552 51.1 FG%

1996-97 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)
Restricted Area: 192/371 51.8 FG%
In The Paint (Non-RA): 95/186 51.1 FG%
Midrange: 588/1,202 48.9 FG%


http://www.augustana.edu/blogs/augieblog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/105119-thats-impressive-gif-bradley-c-jvqw.gif

Smoke117
08-07-2016, 05:47 AM
http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llz351yX6q1qis4q9o1_500.gif

dankok8
08-07-2016, 10:53 AM
You do realize that a player shooting 35% from 3pt range which is nothing special generates more points for his team than a player shooting a GOAT 50% from midrange. There is a reason most players don't shoot from midrange these days. In Jordan's time players didn't adopt the 3pt shot but it is a far more optimal way to play than shooting long two's.

k0kakw0rld
08-07-2016, 11:03 AM
Who cares seriously :wtf:

ShawkFactory
08-07-2016, 11:34 AM
FACT: you've made this thread 3-4 times now and are incredibly boring

3ball
08-07-2016, 12:26 PM
FACT: you've made this thread 3-4 times now and are incredibly boring



Jordan is the only superathlete in NBA history that was a goat shooter from either midrange or 3-point range:





1992 Shot Chart (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415733)
1991-92: 53 games
Mid-Range: 336/645 52.1 FG%


1990-1992 Shot Chart (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317950)
1989-90: 35 games
1990-91: 44 games
1991-92: 47 games
126 games total
Midrange: 793/1552 51.1 FG%


1996-97 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)
Restricted Area: 192/371 51.8 FG%
In The Paint (Non-RA): 95/186 51.1 FG%
Midrange: 588/1,202 48.9 FG%

ShawkFactory
08-07-2016, 12:30 PM
Jordan is the only superathlete in NBA history that was a goat shooter from either midrange or 3-point range:
Scrolling through the front page...all 3 threads of yours are recycled posts that you've made more times than I can count on 2 hands.

Home boi is out of material :lol

Trollsmasher
08-07-2016, 12:31 PM
a midrange shot is the most suboptimal shot in basketball

the fact that MJ was a LOW IMPACT on TEAM WINS player despite mastering midrange shot only confirms the thesis

scuzzy
08-07-2016, 12:35 PM
The mild knee injury effected his game none whatsoever

His next game and following series versus the Houston Rockets, Steph perfomed at an elite level

https://s31.postimg.org/981kjrh3v/curry3_5.png

The following 7 game series versus the Oklahoma City Thunder he again performed at a spectacular level

https://s31.postimg.org/exht42na3/curry4.png

And as we all know, in the Finals, Curry just couldn't live up to the two previous series when he faced the Cleveland Cavaliers

https://s31.postimg.org/z656psml7/curry5.png

Infact, by looking at his past 3 Playoffs, 2016 Curry was right on par in nearly every category with his 2014 and 2013 Playoffs

https://s32.postimg.org/bsdxd1t5h/curry8.png

bigkingsfan
08-07-2016, 12:38 PM
Craig Hodges > Michael Jordan

Hey Yo
08-07-2016, 12:53 PM
1992 Shot Chart (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415733)
1991-92: 53 games
Mid-Range: 336/645 52.1 FG%

1990-1992 Shot Chart (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317950)
1989-90: 35 games
1990-91: 44 games
1991-92: 47 games
126 games total
Midrange: 793/1552 51.1 FG%
The shot chart used in that link is from NBA.com who doesn't recognize the long 2 and consider such shots as mid-range.

Mid-range is usually recognized as 12-17 feet and anything from 18' to the 3pt line are considered long 2's.

Any stats over 17' being called mid-range, like NBA.com does, is wrong.

diamenz
08-07-2016, 01:29 PM
i think the reason comparison should be - was jordan superior at getting a high % mid range shot than curry at getting a high % 3 point shot?

i think mj takes the cake on this one by a fair margin.