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Dray n Klay
08-07-2016, 04:19 PM
3/7 >> 2/6


LeBron has better advanced stats


4 mvps = 4mvps


3 fmvps > 1fmvp



LeBron has better postseason and Finals stats



LeBron has more 30+ PER seasons



LeBron has more win shares :confusedshrug:
TheWinningFam
08-07-2016, 04:29 PM
Nah, only people you can argue over lebron without mental gymnastics and counting rings over everything else is kaj and MJ, and even then it gets close.
Big164
08-07-2016, 04:59 PM
Statistically... He has at least 70 different arguments over Lebron....as well as 70 arguments over MJ, Kareem and every human who ever played the NBA.

forget still baldin tho...Wilt HAS 70 statistical arguments over MJ!!!! Let that sink in...
Psileas
08-07-2016, 05:00 PM
Does Wilt have an argument over whoever the F has ever played the game?

Yes. Next.
Lebron23
08-07-2016, 05:02 PM
No

Bron is the better playoffs and finals performer.
Dray n Klay
08-07-2016, 05:02 PM
Statistically... He has at least 70 different arguments over Lebron....as well as 70 arguments over MJ, Kareem and every human who ever played the NBA.

forget still baldin tho...Wilt HAS 70 statistical arguments over MJ!!!! Let that sink in...

Reg season - Playoff - Finals PPG


Wilt

30 - 22 - 18 PPG


LeBron

27- 28 - 27 PPG





Hmmm... LeBron is much more consistent tbh
TheWinningFam
08-07-2016, 05:02 PM
Statistically... He has at least 70 different arguments over Lebron....as well as 70 arguments over MJ, Kareem and every human who ever played the NBA.

forget still baldin tho...Wilt HAS 70 statistical arguments over MJ!!!! Let that sink in...
How'd he do in the finals.
FireDavidKahn
08-07-2016, 05:32 PM
Not even close
Big164
08-07-2016, 05:33 PM
How'd he do in the finals.


only player to average 20 points, 20 rebounds on 60fg% in a finals series...

Only player to WIN rings over multiple top 5 GOATS..Russell and Kareem...i could go on and on


http://exnba.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/yEMWNO.gif
http://dsz7vodgjx60a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/bil-wilt2.jpg
Psileas
08-07-2016, 06:15 PM
only player to average 20 points, 20 rebounds on 60fg% in a finals series...

Only player to WIN rings over multiple top 5 GOATS..Russell and Kareem...i could go on and on

+
only player to average 25 points, 25 rebounds in a finals series
+
is, along with Magic, the only player to have posted back to back official triple doubles in the Finals
+
only player in history who has never grabbed less than 10 rebounds in any Finals game (in 3 or more series).

"How did he do in the Finals?" :lol
TheWinningFam
08-07-2016, 06:25 PM
+
only player to average 25 points, 25 rebounds in a finals series
+
is, along with Magic, the only player to have posted back to back official triple doubles in the Finals
+
only player in history who has never grabbed less than 10 rebounds in any Finals game (in 3 or more series).

"How did he do in the Finals?" :lol
Reg season - Playoff - Finals PPG


Wilt

30 - 22 - 18 PPG


LeBron

27- 28 - 27 PPG
Also wilt is 2/6 in finals therefore lebron is the more consistent player and has the better argument.
aj1987
08-07-2016, 06:33 PM
only player to average 20 points, 20 rebounds on 60fg% in a finals series...

Only player to WIN rings over multiple top 5 GOATS..Russell and Kareem...i could go on and on


http://exnba.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/yEMWNO.gif
http://dsz7vodgjx60a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/bil-wilt2.jpg
Such an obvious goal tend. :roll: :roll:
plowking
08-07-2016, 06:56 PM
Yes.
colts19
08-07-2016, 06:57 PM
Prime Wilt has an argument over anyone. He is and should always be in the discussion for GOAT.
Chokefree
08-07-2016, 06:59 PM
3/7 >> 2/6


LeBron has better advanced stats


4 mvps = 4mvps


3 fmvps > 1fmvp



LeBron has better postseason and Finals stats



LeBron has more 30+ PER seasons



LeBron has more win shares :confusedshrug:

Do you ever go out peasant? shine my fvcking shoes already you stupid bitch
Dray n Klay
08-07-2016, 07:09 PM
http://oi68.tinypic.com/x4gndi.jpg

Thanks, took you long enough
GrapeApe
08-07-2016, 07:11 PM
Prime Wilt has an argument over anyone. He is and should always be in the discussion for GOAT.

This.
Real14
08-07-2016, 07:18 PM
Wilt is better. Come on mods, damn:facepalm
Psileas
08-07-2016, 07:28 PM
Reg season - Playoff - Finals PPG


Wilt

30 - 22 - 18 PPG


LeBron

27- 28 - 27 PPG
Also wilt is 2/6 in finals therefore lebron is the more consistent player and has the better argument.

First of all, people who use without context stupid lines like the "30-22-18" or the "2/6" one, are moving into my ignore list. Even more so, when they don't even use the correct version of the first one, which is 30-23-19, easy evidence of their bias.

Second, adding context: Wilt's regular season (RS) vs playoff (PO) scoring season by season vs the same opponent:

1960:
vs Nationals-- RS: 38, PO: 38.7 (adv. PO)
vs Celtics-- RS: 39.9, PO: 30.5 (adv. RS)

1961:
vs Nationals-- RS: 39.9, PO: 37 (adv. RS)

1962:
vs Nationals-- RS: 48, PO: 37 (adv. RS)
vs Celtics-- RS: 41.7 (incl. games that Russell missed, else, it's 39.7), PO: 33.6 (adv. RS)

1964:
vs Hawks-- RS: 32.8, PO: 38.6 (adv. PO)
vs Celtics-- RS: 29.1, PO: 29.2 (adv. PO)

1965 (playing for Sixers):
vs Royals-- RS: 36.8, PO: 27.8 (adv. RS)
vs Celtics-- RS: 25.0, PO: 30.1 (adv. PO)

1966:
vs Celtics-- RS: 28.3, PO: 28 (adv. RS)

1967:
vs Royals-- RS: 28.6, PO: 28 (adv. RS)
vs Celtics-- RS: 20.3, PO: 21.6 (adv. PO)
vs Warriors-- RS: 20.7, PO: 17.7 (adv. RS)

1968:
vs Knicks-- RS: 22.6, PO: 25.5 (adv. PO)
vs Celtics-- RS: 17.1, PO: 22.1 (adv. PO)

1969:
vs Warriors-- RS: 12.6, PO: 12.0 (adv. RS)
vs Hawks-- RS: 17.9, PO: 19.2 (adv. PO)
vs Celtics-- RS: 16.3, PO: 11.7 (adv. RS)

1970:
Too small RS samples

1971:
vs Bulls-- RS: 21.2, PO: 15.7 (adv. RS)
vs Bucks-- RS: 23.2, PO: 22 (adv. RS)

1972:
vs Bulls-- RS: 8.8, PO: 14.5 (adv. PO)
vs Bucks-- RS: 13.0, PO: 10.8 (adv. RS)
vs Knicks-- RS: 16.8, PO: 19.4 (adv. PO)

1973:
vs Bulls-- RS: 11.5, PO: 12 (adv. PO)
vs Warriors-- RS: 5.7, PO: 7 (adv. PO)
vs Knicks-- RS: 9.3, PO: 11.6 (adv. PO)

RS vs PO: 13-13

Drops by 5+ ppg: 5
Raises by 5+ ppg: 4

RS vs Finals: 2-3, without taking into account his 1970 series (higher than his single regular season game vs the Knicks that season).

So, yeah, the whole Wilt in the playoffs thing is a lot closer than "30-22-18".
aj1987
08-07-2016, 07:31 PM
Prime Wilt has an argument over anyone. He is and should always be in the discussion for GOAT.
:roll: :roll:

Nope. Not even close.
NBAGOAT
08-07-2016, 07:31 PM
yes ofc. Along with his insane stats, he's a top 10 defensive big men of all time.
feyki
08-07-2016, 07:55 PM
First of all, people who use without context stupid lines like the "30-22-18" or the "2/6" one, are moving into my ignore list. Even more so, when they don't even use the correct version of the first one, which is 30-23-19, easy evidence of their bias.

Second, adding context: Wilt's regular season (RS) vs playoff (PO) scoring season by season vs the same opponent:

1960:
vs Nationals-- RS: 38, PO: 38.7 (adv. PO)
vs Celtics-- RS: 39.9, PO: 30.5 (adv. RS)

1961:
vs Nationals-- RS: 39.9, PO: 37 (adv. RS)

1962:
vs Nationals-- RS: 48, PO: 37 (adv. RS)
vs Celtics-- RS: 41.7 (incl. games that Russell missed, else, it's 39.7), PO: 33.6 (adv. RS)

1964:
vs Hawks-- RS: 32.8, PO: 38.6 (adv. PO)
vs Celtics-- RS: 29.1, PO: 29.2 (adv. PO)

1965 (playing for Sixers):
vs Royals-- RS: 36.8, PO: 27.8 (adv. RS)
vs Celtics-- RS: 25.0, PO: 30.1 (adv. PO)

1966:
vs Celtics-- RS: 28.3, PO: 28 (adv. RS)

1967:
vs Royals-- RS: 28.6, PO: 28 (adv. RS)
vs Celtics-- RS: 20.3, PO: 21.6 (adv. PO)
vs Warriors-- RS: 20.7, PO: 17.7 (adv. RS)

1968:
vs Knicks-- RS: 22.6, PO: 25.5 (adv. PO)
vs Celtics-- RS: 17.1, PO: 22.1 (adv. PO)

1969:
vs Warriors-- RS: 12.6, PO: 12.0 (adv. RS)
vs Hawks-- RS: 17.9, PO: 19.2 (adv. PO)
vs Celtics-- RS: 16.3, PO: 11.7 (adv. RS)

1970:
Too small RS samples

1971:
vs Bulls-- RS: 21.2, PO: 15.7 (adv. RS)
vs Bucks-- RS: 23.2, PO: 22 (adv. RS)

1972:
vs Bulls-- RS: 8.8, PO: 14.5 (adv. PO)
vs Bucks-- RS: 13.0, PO: 10.8 (adv. RS)
vs Knicks-- RS: 16.8, PO: 19.4 (adv. PO)

1973:
vs Bulls-- RS: 11.5, PO: 12 (adv. PO)
vs Warriors-- RS: 5.7, PO: 7 (adv. PO)
vs Knicks-- RS: 9.3, PO: 11.6 (adv. PO)

RS vs PO: 13-13

Drops by 5+ ppg: 5
Raises by 5+ ppg: 4

RS vs Finals: 2-3, without taking into account his 1970 series (higher than his single regular season game vs the Knicks that season).

So, yeah, the whole Wilt in the playoffs thing is a lot closer than "30-22-18".

It's childish logic . Just two reasons ..
madmax
08-07-2016, 08:35 PM
Such an obvious goal tend. :roll: :roll:

I know right...:lol And Wilt fans still *********e to it till this day:facepalm
red1
08-07-2016, 09:05 PM
wilt has an argument for GOAT
Lebronxrings
08-07-2016, 09:28 PM
Unless you think Wilt is a top 2 player and can beat a 70 win team highhandedly then no.
Akrazotile
08-08-2016, 01:24 AM
Wilt had two stilts and two 'chips.

Lebron has a third stilt AND a third 'chip :pimp:


Verdict: Lebron fam holds the W.
ClipperRevival
08-08-2016, 01:34 AM
wilt has an argument for GOAT

No he doesn't.

2 rings and 1 fmvp just doesn't cut it. You can argue GOAT peak and GOAT prime but not GOAT.
Psileas
08-08-2016, 08:10 AM
No he doesn't.

2 rings and 1 fmvp just doesn't cut it. You can argue GOAT peak and GOAT prime but not GOAT.

Yes, he does. Every player who has a GOAT level prime is a GOAT candidate, unless it's a short one - and Wilt's was like 1 decade long. Some had been arguing Bird for GOAT back in the mid-80's, with 2 rings+1 F.MVP won and with less prime years having been played. That's not to say that I agree, but you can clearly see that getting GOAT talk is not that extraordinarily hard to get among fans. Even his post prime was close to GOAT level, he just didn't play in this as many seasons as Kareem.

And why care that he has 2 rings? He's definitely more dominant than anyone who's ever won as many as 2 rings, so it's not as if you can put him in the same category with even the best players who've won 0-2 rings and apply the same criteria. 4 MVP's, with players voting, without even having won in 1962 or 1964, is a testament.

And it's not "1 FMVP", unless you concede that he has more than Russell...
fourkicks44
08-08-2016, 08:26 AM
Yes, he does. Every player who has a GOAT level prime is a GOAT candidate, unless it's a short one - and Wilt's was like 1 decade long. Some had been arguing Bird for GOAT back in the mid-80's, with 2 rings+1 F.MVP won and with less prime years having been played. That's not to say that I agree, but you can clearly see that getting GOAT talk is not that extraordinarily hard to get among fans. Even his post prime was close to GOAT level, he just didn't play in this as many seasons as Kareem.

And why care that he has 2 rings? He's definitely more dominant than anyone who's ever won as many as 2 rings, so it's not as if you can put him in the same category with even the best players who've won 0-2 rings and apply the same criteria. 4 MVP's, with players voting, without even having won in 1962 or 1964, is a testament.

And it's not "1 FMVP", unless you concede that he has more than Russell...

Wilt has an acedemic philosophical theory about him. Bron doesn't have that, in fact no other player has that.