Why is Egypt allowed to wall off the Palestinians? Isn't that racist apartheid?

[Nick Young]

Did you know that Egypt has a 12 KM steel wall on their border with Palestine, in order to prevent Palestinians entering their country?

Egypt and Palestine often call themselves Muslim brothers, and yet Egypt provides nothing to the people of Palestine other than trained terrorists and weapons that they smuggle under the border via tunnels.

Meanwhile, Israel provides Palestine with fresh water, and electricity, as well as UN aid. Israel has also created a cost-effective desalinization process and are planning to share the fresh water with both Jordan and Palestine. Israel also allows Palestinians to work in Israel, though they do need to pass through the check points to ensure they aren't sneaking in bombs. Unfortunately that is a consequence when dealing with a Hamas government dedicated to the destruction of Israel, and 80% of the Palestinian population supports that.


Why do the university protesters give Egypt and Lebanon a free pass for not helping Palestinians? Surely Palestinians are Muslim Arab brothers, and fellow Muslims should be offering donations of zakat, or charity for them.

Why are the Israeli people doing more to help Palestinians than other arab nations are?

[UK2K]

The wall wasn't racist until Trump suggested it... plenty of Democrats were in favor of it before. I believe Clinton wanted it (Bill)

Just like Trump wasn't a racist until he ran under a Republican ticket. He sure wasn't racist when he was high fiving Al Sharpton.

Just like requiring an ID isnt racist at all unless the GOP suggests it, then it becomes racist. More or less, given how close the Democrat party is with our mainstream media... everything Republican is racist no matter what. Democrats mad their politicians are ******ized? Not racist. Hispanics are taco bowls? Not racist.

A wall? Definitely racist depending on who suggests it.

[NumberSix]

I bet Israel paid for that wall to stop the inflow of weapons from Sinai, where one of the most popular methods of getting by is trafficking in weapons.
Are you saying... they built a wall and made Israel pay for it?

[Nick Young]

I bet Israel paid for that wall to stop the inflow of weapons from Sinai, where one of the most popular methods of getting by is trafficking in weapons.


The Egypt–Gaza barrier refers to the steel border barrier along the border between Egypt and the Gaza Strip. Because it is essentially splitting the city of Rafah, the steel barrier is also referred as a separation wall.[2]

In December 2009, Egypt started with help from the US, the building of a steel wall along the Gaza border. If it is finished, the wall will be 10-11 km (6-7 miles) long and extend 18 metres below the surface. The wall was to be completed in 18 months.[3]

On 29 October 2014, Egypt had begun demolishing homes along its border with the Gaza Strip as part of a planned 500m buffer zone that is intended to prevent weapons smuggling entering Gaza.[4]

The project enjoys technical cooperation from the United States and France.[5]

Egypt has reinforced the border with several hundred troops to protect construction crews from Palestinian sniper attacks.[5]

Palestinian sources said that construction of the barrier was damaging dozens of smuggling tunnels as deep as 30 meters, causing them to collapse on a nearly daily basis and killing operators, especially tunnels near the Rafah border terminal. They added that most of the 1,500 tunnels between Gaza and Egypt remained unaffected. The sources also stated that the project has alarmed the Hamas regime in the Gaza Strip, which charges an annual $2,500 for the right to operate a tunnel.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Gaza_barrier

Why does Israel give the people of Palestine fresh water, UN aid and electricity?

Why did the Israeli government sponsor a desalinization project to create more fresh water for Palestine?

Egyptians, Lebanese and Syrians give the Palestinians nothing.


Who is the real enemy of Palestine here?

[Nick Young]

Israel is continuing to steal Palestinian lands and to commit genocide.

1. Why does Israel give the people of Palestine fresh water, UN aid and electricity?

2. If Israel wants to commit genocide so badly, what's stopping them from cutting off or poisoning the water supply?


3. What's stopping their military from bombing Palestine out of existence?

[Nick Young]

"UN aid" lol





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict

Damn nick, either pick a nationality or seek medical help. Your split personality disorder must be really bad, im confused what are you exactly? British national, american or israeli.

1. Why does Israel give the people of Palestine fresh water, and electricity?
:confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

It does not. Picking bigger font wont make it true.
Where do the people of Palestine get their water and electricity from, bro? (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4665260,00.html)



Israel doubles water supplies to Gaza
Israel's national water company says conditions are ripe for the increase; the amount supplied to Palestinian West Bank and to Jordan will also increase.

Israel's national water company Mekorot, in accordance with the Water Authority's guidelines, recently doubled its water supply to the Gaza Strip by 5 million cubic meters. The annual supply will now amount to 10 million cubic meters of water.

[Nick Young]

Your PLO is starting to show, bro.

[Nick Young]

Hopefully Iran get their hands on some nukes.
How come?

What do you hope will happen if Iran gets nuclear weapons?

:confusedshrug:

[fiddy]

How come?

What do you hope will happen if Iran gets nuclear weapons?

:confusedshrug:

Positive balance of power in the region.

[Nick Young]

Positive balance of power in the region.
how so?:confusedshrug:

[kurple]

America emulating Egypt and Mexico is too funny

One step forward and eight steps back

[Nick Young]

America emulating Egypt and Mexico is too funny

One step forward and eight steps back

Did they teach you that in your Norwegian social studies class, bro?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

This was funny back when it was Donovan being a better player than Rooney.
Years back.

Now it's getting stale.

[Nick Young]

This was funny back when it was Donovan being a better player than Rooney.
Years back.

Now it's getting stale.
It isn't a joke. Why aren't the Egyptians or Lebanese providing aid to their Muslim brothers in Palestine?

Why are the Jews in Israel providing fresh water and electricity to the Palestinians and allowing UN aid to cross the Palestinian border, while Egypt walls them off?

:confusedshrug:

[KyrieTheFuture]

If Israel got nuked palestine would be ****ed too

[Nick Young]

If Israel got nuked palestine would be ****ed too
Jerusalem would be rendered inhospitable and unlivable.

[Nash]

Does being a republican automatically make you side with Israel in the US?

[Nick Young]

Does being a republican automatically make you side with Israel in the US?
Adhering to logic and fact over the doctrine of Islam often causes people to "side with Israel", in any country :confusedshrug:

[Nash]

Adhering to logic and fact over the doctrine of Islam often causes people to "side with Israel", in any country :confusedshrug:
what does islam have to do with the israel palestine conflict tho'?

[kurple]

what does islam have to do with the israel palestine conflict tho'?
Don't bother. He won't reply seriously

[sd3035]

Western media is in a position where they can't condemn it due to their previous support of Israel walling off Palestine

[Nick Young]

what does islam have to do with the israel palestine conflict tho'?
Due to the extremist religious views of the palestinean people, they are unwilling to compromise and negotiate a lasting peace with their jewish neighbors.

[NumberSix]

From illegally occupied Palestian lands
What makes them Palestinian? And what is "Palestinian"?

[sd3035]

Why are Palestinians so obsessed with that piece of land? Jews only have Israel, where else can they go where Hebrew is the official language?

Palestinians have many other Arabic countries in the region where they can go

[Nick Young]

Why are Palestinians so obsessed with that piece of land? Jews only have Israel, where else can they go where Hebrew is the official language?

Palestinians have many other Arabic countries in the region where they can go
No other arab nations accept Palestinians. Nothing is stopping Egypt from accepting Palestinian immigrants and refugees, or sending in aid to Palestine, except for Egypt.

Jordan accepted Palestinian immigrants in mass in the 70s and Palestine started a Civil war in Jordan and tried to take it over, so the Jordanians don't like them very much. Surrounding Muslim nations for whatever reason refuse to send aid to Palestine or take in Palestinian immigrants on visas or as refugees.

But they are happy to call them "Arab brothers" every time they attack Israel.


The Palestinian government treat their own people like human shields.
Fellow Muslim Arab nations consider Palestinians to be worse than dogs.

Israel is the only nation that treats Palestinians like humans, by providing them with a surplus of fresh water, as well as electricity and power, and allowing Palestinians to live and work in Israel. And for this kindness, the Palestinians want Israel wiped off the map.

[sd3035]

No other arab nations accept Palestinians. Nothing is stopping Egypt from accepting Palestinian immigrants and refugees, or sending in aid to Palestine, except for Egypt.

Jordan accepted Palestinian immigrants in mass in the 70s and Palestine started a Civil war in Jordan and take it over, so the Jordainians don't like them very much. Surrounding Muslim nations for whatever reason refuse to send aid to Palestine or take in Palestinian immigrants on visas or as refugees.

But they are happy to call them "Arab brothers" every time they attack Israel.


The Palestinian government treat their own people like human shields.
Fellow Muslim Arab nations consider Palestinians to be worse than dogs.

Israel is the only nation that treats Palestinians like humans, by providing them with a surplus of fresh water, as well as electricity and power, and allowing Palestinians to live and work in Israel. And for this kindness, the Palestinians want Israel wiped off the map.


That's pretty pathetic behavior by surrounding muslim nations

[Nick Young]

That's pretty pathetic behavior by surrounding muslim nations
They have no excuse. The only nation that has an excuse is Jordan. They tried to help the Palestinians and the Palestinians tried to take over their country and started a war as repayment. Jordan has an excuse for not helping out Palestine right now but no other Muslim country surrounding them does.

[Long Duck Dong]

Jordan accepted Palestinian immigrants in mass in the 70s and Palestine started a Civil war in Jordan and tried to take it over, so the Jordanians don't like them very much. Surrounding Muslim nations for whatever reason refuse to send aid to Palestine or take in Palestinian immigrants on visas or as refugees.


Most Palestinians are Jordanian. If Jordanians insist on calling themselves Palestinian, they should just rename Jordan to "Palestine".

[Nick Young]

Most Palestinians are Jordanian. If Jordanians insist on calling themselves Palestinian, they should just rename Jordan to "Palestine".
It is true that there was never a group of ethnic people who self-identified as Palestinians until the 1960s, at the urging of Yasser Arafat for propaganda purposes.

[kurple]

What makes them Palestinian? And what is "Palestinian"?
What

[Nick Young]

What



"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a
Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle
against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality
today there is no difference between Jordanians,
Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and
tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of
a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand
that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian
people' to oppose Zionism.

"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state
with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa.
While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa,
Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we
reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even
a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

(PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, in a 1977
interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)

:cheers:

[brownmamba00]

It is true that there was never a group of ethnic people who self-identified as Palestinians until the 1960s, at the urging of Yasser Arafat for propaganda purposes.
the old testament

What have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Sidon,
and all the coasts of Palestine? (Joel 3:4a = 4:4a Heb)

The people shall hear, and be afraid;
sorrow shall take hold of the inhabitants of Palestina.
(Exod 15:14)

[Nick Young]

the old testament

What have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Sidon,
and all the coasts of Palestine? (Joel 3:4a = 4:4a Heb)

The people shall hear, and be afraid;
sorrow shall take hold of the inhabitants of Palestina.
(Exod 15:14)
"Inhabitants of Palestina" means people who live in Palestine. There was never in any point in history who self-identified as "Palestinians" until the 1960s. Do you know more than PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein?
:confusedshrug:

[UK2K]

Does being a republican automatically make you side with Israel in the US?

It makes you anti-'radical Islamic safe haven'...

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Democrats don't see radical Islam as an enemy though; more like they're just misunderstood or unhappy about a lack of jobs or climate change or whatever the **** Obama was mouthing off about the last time he spoke on the subject.

So yeah, being a Republican in the US makes you pro-Israel and anti-'every country trying to kill them'.

[brownmamba00]

OP's such a bullshitter

conveniently left out the part where Israel has put an embargo on the Gaza strip (air,sea or by land) nothing gets through which is why they started digging tunnels because they need medicines, work material, food and other basic things.

Yes weapons do get smuggled in to Palestine through these tunnels but I'd try to find out first where they are buying these weapons first instead of blowing up Gaza's lifelines.

[brownmamba00]

"Inhabitants of Palestina" means people who live in Palestine. There was never in any point in history who self-identified as "Palestinians" until the 1960s. Do you know more than PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein?
:confusedshrug:
the word Filistine or Palestine has been recorded through time by various archives (ottomans, persians, romans, etc) even before the middle ages.

ashkenazis trying to rewrite history as usual :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

the word Filistine or Palestine has been recorded through time by various archives (ottomans, persians, romans, etc) even before the middle ages.

ashkenazis trying to rewrite history as usual :oldlol:
Ashkenazis?


PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein is not an Ashkenazi.



1. Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE lasted no more than 22 years.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.

9. In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution, and slaughter.

11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.

12. Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own people's lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

14. The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.

15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

16. The UN Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.

17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

18. The UN was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.

19. The UN was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.

20. The UN was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like a policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.
http://www.targetofopportunity.com/palestinian_truth.htm

:cheers:

[MMM]

Due to the extremist religious views of the palestinean people, they are unwilling to compromise and negotiate a lasting peace with their jewish neighbors.

Focusing solely on the Israel/Palestine conflict lets not ignore extremist religious views from Jews and Christians as well. Not trying to appoint or shift blame but extremist religious belief isn't a one way street on this issue.

[Nick Young]

OP's such a bullshitter

conveniently left out the part where Israel has put an embargo on the Gaza strip (air,sea or by land) nothing gets through which is why they started digging tunnels because they need medicines, work material, food and other basic things.

Yes weapons do get smuggled in to Palestine through these tunnels but I'd try to find out first where they are buying these weapons first instead of blowing up Gaza's lifelines.

Facts and reality contradict the antisemitic pro-violence narrative you are trying to push.

[QUOTE]Following Operation Cast Lead in 2008-2009, Israeli sources donated over $1 million in medical and humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip, in addition to 600 ambulances. Injured Palestinians were cared for in Israeli hospitals, and the border crossing was frequently used to get medical equipment and other necessary supplies to the strip.

Commercial crossings between Gaza and Israel have been kept open - especially since the June 19, 2008,

[Nick Young]

Focusing solely on the Israel/Palestine conflict lets not ignore extremist religious views from Jews and Christians as well. Not trying to appoint or shift blame but extremist religious belief isn't a one way street on this issue.
That is what you are doing though.


There is nothing in modern Jewish or Christian doctrine that encourages them to wipe out the Palestinian people.


Hamas want all Jews removed from Israel. 80% of Palestinians voted for Hamas. All 5 Arab-Israeli wars were started by the Arabs. Arabs have broken every single cease-fire agreement-not Israel.

All surrounding Arab nations have committed genocide and ethnic cleansing against their Jewish inhabitants. Just like they are doing to the Coptic Christians, the kurds, the Sufis and other groups. Just like Hamas now want to do in Israel.

Why do you think the Jewish populations in every Middle Eastern country have been all but wiped out?

#FACTS

[brownmamba00]

how much did the Ashkenazis pay that guy ?:oldlol:

dude said Muhammad never went to Jerusalem:facepalm
Jerusalem not mentioned once in the Quran?:facepalm

Jerusalem was the first direction of prayer in the early days of Islam. It's as important to Us as it is to you.

[Nick Young]

how much did the Ashkenazis pay that guy ?:oldlol:

dude said Muhammad never went to Jerusalem:facepalm
Jerusalem not mentioned once in the Quran?:facepalm

Jerusalem was the first direction of prayer in the early days of Islam. It's as important to Us as it is to you.

Mohammad in his own words only dreamed about going to Jerusalem, and never physically went there.

Like many Muslims, you seem very ignorant in regards to your own religion and the history of Mohammad, the man you deify.

I suggest you read the Koran and look up the history of Mohammad's life.


The Muslim connection to Jerusalem is extremely tenuous compared to Judaism and Christianity. In fact, the claim to the city exists largely because it is held sacred by Western religion. From the time of Muhammad to the present day, Islam has always been a "me too" faith, attempting to ride the coattails of other religions.

The official reason that Muslims claim Jerusalem for themselves - after marching an army into the city only two years after Muhammad's death - is that their prophet once visited there...

Unfortunately this would have been in a dream - not in real life. As much as those demanding full control of Jerusalem today would prefer, there is simply no evidence that Muhammad's physical body ever made the trip.

There is certainly ample evidence that Muhammad claimed to have had a dream about traveling there. It also came at a time that was trying to convince the doubters around him that he belonged to the line of Jewish prophets. His story of leading other prophets (Abraham, Moses and Jesus) in prayer at the mosque in Jerusalem was thus highly convenient (in truth no mosque had ever existed there).

Aisha, Muhammad’s favorite wife, later insisted that it was not a physical journey (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 265) and there has always been controversy within Islam about whether it was supposed to have been a physical or "spiritual" visit.

At the time, the Meccans mocked Muhammad for claiming to have visited Jerusalem in one night, since it was a one month journey to get there and back. In fact, “many Muslims gave up their faith” when they heard this, according to his biographer (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 265). But had the Meccans only known how big the universe really is, then they would have reserved the greatest ridicule for Muhammad’s claim to have visited the gates of heaven in the same dream – and it is doubtful that anyone would have believed him at that point.

The observable universe is 93 billion light years wide, meaning that it takes 93 billion years to make it from one side to the other even traveling at the speed of light. In "Leaving Islam" by Ibn Warraq, a young contributor points out that if Muhammad had left the (non-existent) mosque in Jerusalem 1400 years ago, traveling at this phenomenal speed through the icy void of space, he would still be trying to make it out of our galaxy (p. 347). At this point, Muslims (who claim that theirs is the most "scientific" of religions) fall back on the idea that Muhammad visited Jerusalem "in spirit"... whatever that means.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/jerusalem.aspx

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Muhammed (PBUH) actually went to Jerusalem and offered prayer at the Mosque-Al-Aqsa in he 17th Chapter of the Qu'ran.

The Night Journey is confirmed by the accounts of Abu Bakr and Prophets Moses, Jesus, Idris, Abraham, Joseph etc.

So it's either the 1.7 billion out there who are liars, or that source and yourself, Nick. What do the people reading this, think?


Oh, and Muhammad (PBUH) specifically stated on his Last Sermon, that he was just a man and he is going to die. Allah can not die. Muhammad was specifically set on Earth to send the message of the worship of One God (relevant to this discussion) after a lot of people adopted the treacherous ways of deifying Jesus (which was a mistake made after the Council of Nicaea). Jesus never commanded others to worship him either. He said follow me.

No real Muslim deifies Muhammad (who is seen as the best of creation, otherwise that would be a breaching of Tawhid, the main crucial component of Islam. A breaching of Tawhid would be Shirk (idolatry) and Shirk is the worst sin in Islam.

[Nick Young]

Muhammed (PBUH) actually went to Jerusalem and offered prayer at the Mosque-Al-Aqsa in he 17th Chapter of the Qu'ran.

The Night Journey is confirmed by the accounts of Abu Bakr and Prophets Moses, Jesus, Idris, Abraham, Joseph etc.

So it's either the 1.7 billion out there who are liars, or that source and yourself, Nick. What do the people reading this, think?


Oh, and Muhammad (PBUH) specifically stated on his Last Sermon, that he was just a man and he is going to die. Allah can not die. Muhammad was specifically set on Earth to send the message of the worship of One God (relevant to this discussion) after a lot of people adopted the treacherous ways of deifying Jesus (which was a mistake made after the Council of Nicaea). Jesus never commanded others to worship him either. He said follow me.

No real Muslim deifies Muhammad (who is seen as the best of creation, otherwise that would be a breaching of Tawhid, the main crucial component of Islam. A breaching of Tawhid would be Shirk (idolatry) and Shirk is the worst sin in Islam.


So you believe that Mohammad flew to Jerusalem and back in one night on a magical woman headed horse?

https://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Muhammad-on-Buraq.jpeg

[kurple]

(PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, in a 1977
interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)

:cheers:
I guess the Americans people dont exists either

[Nick Young]

I guess the Americans people dont exists either
Did they teach you this in your social studies class?

Are you saying that you as a Norwegian know more than PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein?

[LJJ]

It's always a good thing to bring up to show who the bigots are. Criticize Israel all you want, there is plenty to criticize.

But if you despise Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and then go and pretend like Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan don't treat the Palestinians like human garbage then you show your true colors. Which is that your views on the conflict are based on bigotry and jew-hate, rather than facts.

You don't care about any of the actual suffering going on. You just hate Jews. :confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

It's always a good thing to bring up to show who the bigots are. Criticize Israel all you want, there is plenty to criticize.

But if you despise Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and then go and pretend like Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan don't treat the Palestinians like human garbage then you show your true colors. Which is that your views on the conflict are based on bigotry and jew-hate, rather than facts.

You don't care about any of the actual suffering going on. You just hate Jews. :confusedshrug:
Exactly. Thank you for the refreshing breath of simple common sense. :applause:

[kurple]

It's always a good thing to bring up to show who the bigots are. Criticize Israel all you want, there is plenty to criticize.

But if you despise Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and then go and pretend like Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan don't treat the Palestinians like human garbage then you show your true colors. Which is that your views on the conflict are based on bigotry and jew-hate, rather than facts.

You don't care about any of the actual suffering going on. You just hate Jews. :confusedshrug:
You can't criticize Isreal without being an Jew hater? Holy shit bro, you're on a roll today

[Nick Young]

You can't criticize Isreal without being an Jew hater? Holy shit bro, you're on a roll today
then go and pretend like Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan don't treat the Palestinians like human garbage then you show your true colors. Which is that your views on the conflict are based on bigotry and jew-hate, rather than facts.

:cheers:

[sd3035]

agreed with the previous comments, obviously Jews have been treating Palestinians like shit, but so has everyone else around them. The middle east is a mess

[LJJ]

You can't criticize Isreal without being an Jew hater? Holy shit bro, you're on a roll today

Reading is hard for you I know. Let me make it more simple so you might grasp the already simple concept.

1. Israel treats Palestinians like shit.
2. Lebanon, Egypt & Jordan treat Palestinians like human garbage.

If you agree with the first statement, but not the second, your motivations and biases are obvious. Anyone even remotely familiar with the facts knows both these statements are obviously true, but you see people deny and minimize the second reality here.

[Nick Young]

agreed with the previous comments, obviously Jews have been treating Palestinians like shit, but so has everyone else around them. The middle east is a mess
The sad fact is that the Jews treat the Palestinians better than any one else in the region.

Jews provide Palestinians with water, electricity and power for their cities, and allow them to work in Israel.

Israel has offered Palestine repeated compromises for peace in the past.

Israel has never broken a ceasefire with Palestine. Palestine has broken every single ceasefire they ever agreed to.

Israel treats Palestinian civilians who get injured in armed conflicts in Israeli hospitals.

Israel just completed a project to successfully desalinate the Dead Sea water at a cost-effective rate and are giving that water to both the Palestinians as well as Jordan.


Palestine's Arab brothers don't do shit for their "brothers", except wall them off and sneak terrorists and weapons in to the country that they can send against Israel.


The Euros in general bandwagon on to the "Free Palestine" bandwagon because they are completely uninformed and get all of their news from the biased European news outlets. Luckily many based Euros like LJJ are waking up to the bullshit.


Arabs consider Palestinians to be lower than dogs.

Source: I lived in Egypt and arab people told me this, independently, without me questioning them about it. I dated a rich Palestinian/Jordanian girl for a few weeks in high school and she told me how the other rich arabs at my school treat her and her family like shit because they're Palestinian and "only one step above Jews and lower than dogs" in the eyes of Arab society.

[brownmamba00]

Muhammed (PBUH) actually went to Jerusalem and offered prayer at the Mosque-Al-Aqsa in he 17th Chapter of the Qu'ran.

The Night Journey is confirmed by the accounts of Abu Bakr and Prophets Moses, Jesus, Idris, Abraham, Joseph etc.

So it's either the 1.7 billion out there who are liars, or that source and yourself, Nick. What do the people reading this, think?


Oh, and Muhammad (PBUH) specifically stated on his Last Sermon, that he was just a man and he is going to die. Allah can not die. Muhammad was specifically set on Earth to send the message of the worship of One God (relevant to this discussion) after a lot of people adopted the treacherous ways of deifying Jesus (which was a mistake made after the Council of Nicaea). Jesus never commanded others to worship him either. He said follow me.

No real Muslim deifies Muhammad (who is seen as the best of creation, otherwise that would be a breaching of Tawhid, the main crucial component of Islam. A breaching of Tawhid would be Shirk (idolatry) and Shirk is the worst sin in Islam.
Read the first sentence over and over and then u get back at me yung sushi

Also no the Night Journey is very real

[sd3035]

The sad fact is that the Jews treat the Palestinians better than any one else in the region.

Jews provide Palestinians with water, electricity and power for their cities, and allow them to work in Israel.

Israel has offered Palestine repeated compromises for peace in the past.

Israel has never broken a ceasefire with Palestine. Palestine has broken every single ceasefire they ever agreed to.

Israel treats Palestinian civilians who get injured in armed conflicts in Israeli hospitals.

Israel just completed a project to successfully desalinate the Dead Sea water at a cost-effective rate and are giving that water to both the Palestinians as well as Jordan.


Palestine's Arab brothers don't do shit for their "brothers", except wall them off and sneak terrorists and weapons in to the country.


The Euros in general bandwagon on to the "Free Palestine" bandwagon because they are completely uninformed and get all of their news from the biased European news outlets. Luckily many based Euros like LJJ are waking up to the bullshit.


What makes it worse is that the other countries not helping at all are supposed to be their Islamic brothers

[Nick Young]

What makes it worse is that the other countries not helping at all are supposed to be their Islamic brothers
The Arab nations want the Palestinians to suffer more and have more armed conflicts with Israel because it helps the Muslim propaganda against Israel. They do not want the Palestinians to have happy lives, or agree to terms of lasting peace with Israel.

That is why the Saudis, Egyptians, Syrians, Lebanese and Iranians sponsor so much terrorism in Palestine.

The propaganda has already worked to great success in Europe and is starting to work in America too with the new Millennial generation comparing Israel to Nazi Germany and Apartheid South Africa :roll:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Read the first sentence over and over and then u get back at me yung sushi

Also no the Night Journey is very real

Mentioned that Moses himself met Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in the heavens thus reaffirming the unity and fellowship of all the Prophets in Abraham's lineage.



According to Islamic tradition, God instructed Muhammad that Muslims must pray fifty times per day; however, Moses told Muhammad that it was very difficult for the people and urged Muhammad to ask for a reduction, until finally it was reduced to five times per day

He cried when he realized that the members of Muhammad's Ummah would be much larger as well.

[Nick Young]

Mentioned that Moses himself met Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in the heavens thus reaffirming the unity and fellowship of all the Prophets in Abraham's lineage.




He cried when he realized that the members of Muhammad's Ummah would be much larger as well.
The Koran is essentially badly written bible fanfiction.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

The KorKoran is essentially nbadly written bible fanfiction.

Deuteronomy 18:18*►

Parallel Verses

New International Version
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him.

Surat 25:4-6

And those who disbelieve say, "This [Qur'an] is not except a falsehood he invented, and another people assisted him in it." But they have committed an injustice and a lie.

And they say, "Legends of the former peoples which he has written down, and they are dictated to him morning and afternoon."

Say, [O Muhammad], "It has been revealed by He who knows [every] secret within the heavens and the earth. Indeed, He is ever Forgiving and Merciful."

2:24 And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful.



Go ahead Nick. Write one verse equal to it.

[fiddy]

then go and pretend like Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan don't treat the Palestinians like human garbage then you show your true colors. Which is that your views on the conflict are based on bigotry and jew-hate, rather than facts.

:cheers:
No they dont, stop spreading lies.

[brownmamba00]

Mentioned that Moses himself met Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in the heavens thus reaffirming the unity and fellowship of all the Prophets in Abraham's lineage.




He cried when he realized that the members of Muhammad's Ummah would be much larger as well.
Masallah were u raised a Muslim j$?

[eliteballer]

Nice attempt by OP to try to distract from the fact that the entire world vehemently criticizes Israeli treatment of the Palestinians.

Israel will either have to give up the occupied territories or give citizenship to the Palestinians leaving the Jews a minority in Israel.

The conservatives in Israel are effing the country over because the current situation is untenable in the long run one way or the other.

[Nick Young]

Israel offers citizenship to Palestinians on multiple occasions and they turn it down.

Educate yourself on this issue if you want to talk about it.

Israel treats Palestine better than any other Middle Eastern nation in the region.

Israel provides the Palestinians with a surplus of fresh water, electrical power, allows them to work in Israel, and has never broken a ceasefire.

Are you capable of arguing otherwise?

What other Middle Eastern nations treat the Palestinians better and does more for them?

Why has Egypt built a wall on their border with Palestine?

Can you answer any of these questions without using logical fallacy?

[eliteballer]

Israel HAS to supply them the water and electricity because it occupies and administers most of the territory.

It is RESPONSIBLE for providing them water and electricity because it occupies the territories and slices them up and administers them.

The "border wall"? You mean the buffer that exists because of a security treat WITH Israel? Or the actual border crossing which is monitored by the European Union?

I don't need to get into a debate here. The world's views on the Israeli policy, the BDS movement, the annoyance at American presidential administrations at Israeli conduct, and countless other things show that this is not the black and white issue you are trying to portray it as.


http://www.letterfortruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/TheLetter_Context_Grassroots-Change-12.jpg

[Nick Young]

Are you aware as to where the BDS movement is getting its funding from?
:confusedshrug:

[eliteballer]

[QUOTE]The Irgun has been viewed as a terrorist organization or organization which carried out terrorist acts.[3][4] Specifically the organization "committed acts of terrorism and assassination against the British, whom it regarded as illegal occupiers, and it was also violently anti-Arab" according to the Encyclop

[Nick Young]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre




http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/New-Top-Rabbi-of-Israeli-Army-Its-OK-to-Rape-Non-Jewish-Women-20160712-0024.html


There are countless other examples, but it's black and white right..


Can you answer any of these questions without using logical fallacy?

Strawman argument. No one ever said it was black and white.


1. Are you aware as to where the BDS movement is getting its funding from?


2. Israel treats Palestine better than any other Middle Eastern nation in the region. Can you provide an argument to prove otherwise, without using logical fallacy?


3. What other Middle Eastern nations treat the Palestinians better and does more for them than Israel?

4. Why has Egypt built a wall on their border with Palestine?

[fiddy]

Strawman argument.


:roll:

[iamgine]

Why not. Egypt are free to do that. Just like USA is free to build a wall.

Whether it's racist or not depends on intention.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Masallah were u raised a Muslim j$?

I was raised in Jahilliya

[fiddy]

I was raised in Jahilliya
:roll:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

:roll:

That's funny till you are on your death bed realizing that the first two (nearly three) decades of your finite time on Earth flashed by in utter darkness without a clue as to what you were doing and why you why were doing it. That applies to all people who confront the deeper issues of life through mocking and jeering instead of asking themselves over and over What is the Truth? Who am I? Why am I here?

You're already healthy. Can see through lies. Have access to food and water. Seem to be intact mentally. You owe it to your soul to reread the texts of the major religions, fiddy, and if they make sense to you research some more. There are imams and priests and rabbis and sages and decent men out there who would love to teach youngins who have been sick and fed up with the deceit of the materialistic worldview. And no you're not even close to being the worst case they've met. And no not all of them are out to get you. You got to care and love yourself man.

[StephHamann]

That's funny till you are on your death bed realizing that the first two (nearly three) decades of your finite time on Earth flashed by in utter darkness without a clue as to what you were doing and why you why were doing it.

I must give props to you in one sense Fiddy. You are fair and show signs of justice.

Jordan is the only super athlete in the history of the game that had an all-time great midrange jumpshot, OR the goat fadeaway jumpshot, or ANY type of all-time great jumpshot... Super athlete + goat jumpshot = goat




Let's go by distance - Jordan was a FAR better shooter inside 20 feet than Curry:



........................MJ 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season).................Curry 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)............. Curry 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/) <--- link to nba.com data

5-9 ft.......... 49.2%, 126 fga........... 40.3%, 72 fga.......... 48.6%, 72 fga

10-14 ft....... 51.5%, 466 fga........... 52.9%, 85 fga.......... 50.9%, 57 fga

15-19 ft....... 49.5%, 594 fga........... 43.9%, 132 fga........ 37.3%, 102 fga



Overall midrange percentage (all shots inside the 3-point line but outside the paint)



JORDAN 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):. 48.9%, 1202 fga

S Curry 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.. 41.1%,. 285 fga
S Curry 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.. 42.5%,. 200 fga



Interestingly, Curry's goat 3-point shooting and Jordan's goat midrange shooting isn't needed to be a top scorer in today's game - Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan and Butler have poor midrange (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12389778&postcount=41) and 3-point jumpshooting, yet they're still top scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows good athletes easier access to the rim.

Today's spacing and hands-off defense would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way, except he had the goat midrange efficiency shown above, which would put him in Curry's category as a goat shooter, and gave him a similarly massive advantage over the aforementioned non-shooters Lebron, Westbrick and company.

[fiddy]

You got to care and love yourself man.
I can do that without surrendering my free thought and sanity to an absolutism religious hypothesis, which makes promises about an afterlife, which most likely does not exist at all.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

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Like many Muslims, you seem very ignorant in regards to your own religion and the history of Mohammad,[B] the man you deify.


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[beer]

Egypt and especially Lebanon, yeah. It's well known.

But jordan? Palestinians fly to Amman and cross to the west bank. Not tel Aviv. There are more Palestinians in jordan than actual Jordanians.

LJJ?

[LJJ]

Egypt and especially Lebanon, yeah. It's well known.

But jordan? Palestinians fly to Amman and cross to the west bank. Not tel Aviv. There are more Palestinians in jordan than actual Jordanians.

LJJ?

Actually, Jordan is very interesting and indicative micro study on the entire conflict. It will show you how the media creates spin and the hypocrisy of the whole situation.

Palestinians and Jordanians are essentially the same people. If you want, you could say 100% of Jordanians have Palestinian ancestry (and vice-versa). The West Bank is the west bank of the Jordan river. When Israel first was established, this was legitimately part of Jordan, not Palestina and not under Israeli control. The people who live there are as much "Jordanians" as anyone else. So effectively the group of "Palestinians" with Jordanian citizenship is huge, it's nearly their whole population.

So you get the media spin. "There's more Palestinians in Jordan than Jordanians, they get treated very well". Yeah the "Palestinians" with Jordanian citizenship get treated as well as any other Jordanian, because they are.


But but but. Actual Palestinians have not actually been allowed to get Jordanian citizenship for 70 years. There are Palestinians who have lived in Jordan 60 years but are never allowed to get citizenship. Not allowed to own property. Not allowed to settle. No access to education, health care, decent jobs. They can work a menial job, maybe rent a cheap apartment (but millions are living in permanent refugee camps still), but they are never allowed to settle in Jordan.

That's real apartheid right there. Very different from the "Israeli apartheid". There's the media spin. All the states surrounding Israel have a much worse human rights and apartheid situation going in inside their own borders. You won't hear a thing about it. And if you hear anything, the only thing you'll hear it's still Israel's fault that there are 2 million who've lived in squalid conditions in Jordan for 70 years.