Enes Kanter

[ArbitraryWater]

Enes Kanter

[atljonesbro]

Good to see Kanter distancing himself from that garbage.

[Long Duck Dong]

This has been going on for a while. Over a year ago it was said he was left off the Turkish team for forming friendships and contracts with Christians and Jews.

[fiddy]

Not surprised one bit

[Trollsmasher]

gulen is just as big piece of shit as erdogan tho

[bdreason]

Sucks for them. Enes is rolling in the dough and living the American dream. I'm sure Turkey is cool too though. :oldlol:

[fiddy]

gulen is just as big piece of shit as erdogan tho
Im not convinced he's responsible for the attempted coup, even if the coup succeeded he wouldnt have taken over.

[Nick Young]

Based Kanter.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

We got your back bro. America is a better country than Turkey will ever be.

#WeGotYouBro

[Nick Young]

This has been going on for a while. Over a year ago it was said he was left off the Turkish team for forming friendships and contracts with Christians and Jews.
HOW DARE HE?

[knickballer]

Maybe he was forced to say something like that?

[KyrieTheFuture]

Well there's a few less moochers off his back, wonder how many times they tried to get him to "donate" to the cause

[Nick Young]

gulen is just as big piece of shit as erdogan tho
Gulen preaches tolerance and acceptance of different religions and ethnic groups in Turkey.

How dare he!

The coup was not organized by Gulen. The coup was staged by Erdogan.

[Nanners]

Maybe he was forced to say something like that?

Thats what I am thinking. Their lives are probably at risk if they dont disown him. Shit is crazy in Turkey right now.

[dunksby]

Countries like Turkey and UAE are prime examples of money can't buy you class and civility. I understand that all countries have dirty laundry and try to look prettier on the outside, but in case of Turkey and UAE, their efforts to exhibit an attractive, open and modernised image and mask their tribal barbaric ways is just too much. Mind you that Turkey was adamant that it belonged in the EU for years, although the government was rounding up journalists and the opposition without explanation. The UAE for example where a huge number of Westerners work and visit, you cannot kiss your wife/gf in public, I have read a few times about cases that foreigners were sentenced to prison time because they were seen kissing.

[DCL]

most other islamic countries look up to turkey and say they want to be more like them, at least economically.

well, as it turns out, turkey looks at other less developed islamic countries and aspires to be more like them instead of "the west."

enes kanter surely knows which side has a better life and better way of doing things. :oldlol:

[fiddy]

most other islamic countries look up to turkey and say they want to be more like them, at least economically.

well, as it turns out, turkey looks at other less developed islamic countries and aspires to be more like them instead of "the west."

enes kanter surely knows which side has a better life and better way of doing things. :oldlol:

I bet Malaysia and Indonesia looks up to Turkey. Economically? Turkish economy is nothing special, heavily dependent on tourism and outdated manufactury plants that will never ever cover the standards of EU regulations.

[DCL]

I bet Malaysia and Indonesia looks up to Turkey. Economically? Turkish economy is nothing special, heavily dependent on tourism and outdated manufactury plants that will never ever cover the standards of EU regulations.

why did you quote me and then say something irrelevant? i said most, not ALL, islamic countries.

and nobody ever said anything about turkey meeting the full standards of the EU. there are a number of existing EU countries that do not meet the full standards of the EU, but that's probably better for another discussion...

besides, only 60% of malaysian are muslim. even most of the muslims there aren't hardcore religious. and malaysians look up to other places like singapore or hong kong. indonesia is still a pretty poor country today with prevalent poverty, divided by a big wealth gap.

turkey, compared to, say, iran, libya, egypt, somolia, morocco, algeria, yemen, turkmenistan, tajikistan and a very long list of others, is advanced economically. turkey may not have everything to meet the standards of the EU, but they are still far more developed than most other islamic countries. again, i only said "MOST", but not "ALL." istanbul has a bustling international airport that meets global standards of the first world, and turkish airlines was actually one of the better airlines i've flown. and turkey actually has enough resources that its citizens can play long hours of basketball and then enter the nba instead of just hustle all day or farm. it's just a few aspects of modernization, but still, compared to the list above, which are mostly severely undeveloped or underdeveloped third world nations, turkey ain't doing so bad. you don't need to be so insecure about this kind of comparison.

but if you read carefully, the whole point of that post wasn't to praise turkey; it was quite the opposite. lol

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]Enes Kanter

[fiddy]

why did you quote me and then say something irrelevant? i said most, not ALL, islamic countries.

and nobody ever said anything about turkey meeting the full standards of the EU. there are a number of existing EU countries that do not meet the full standards of the EU, but that's probably better for another discussion...

besides, only 60% of malaysian are muslim. even most of the muslims there aren't hardcore religious. and malaysians look up to other places like singapore or hong kong. indonesia is still a pretty poor country today with prevalent poverty, divided by a big wealth gap.

turkey, compared to, say, iran, libya, egypt, somolia, morocco, algeria, yemen, turkmenistan, tajikistan and a very long list of others, is advanced economically.
turkey may not have everything to meet the standards of the EU, but they are still far more developed than most other islamic countries. again, i only said "MOST", but not "ALL."

Compared to central Asian muslim countries, they do look developed, but still i dont think that most muslim countries really look up to Turkey.



istanbul has a bustling international airport that meets global standards of the first world, and turkish airlines was actually one of the better airlines i've flown.

Instanbul airport is quite big, but not as secure as it should be, as recent history showed.



and turkey actually has enough resources that its citizens can play long hours of basketball and then enter the nba instead of just hustle all day or farm. it's just a few aspects of modernization, but still, compared to the list above, which are mostly severely undeveloped or underdeveloped third world nations, turkey ain't doing so bad. you don't need to be so insecure about this kind of comparison.

There are really two different worlds there, the big cities and rural people, which are radically different in some aspects. Some of the rural areas easily fit the description of third world.

[Akrazotile]

1) Disowning is never the best course of action. Families should remain loving families irregardless of political/religious views.

2) the States has their own form of brainwashing. ISIS is a substantially more extreme form of brainwashing. The latter is overtly evil and dangerous to their neighbors in the physical realm. The former has certain aspects dangerous to people in the intellectual/psychological realm. Every country and even Americans KNOW that a sizable portion of Americans are straight up brainwashed.


3) How do you know who is the level-headed one, Arb? What if the Islamic perspective is true? That each creation is being tested for their obedience to God and if they fail (giving in to the easy appeasing way) they go down spiritual degrees and if they pass (that is stand up against the mainstream) they go up degrees and receive more nearness to God. And on the Day of Judgment they'll be judged on their choices.

Then who would be the brainwashed one and the level-headed one? The guy who burns in Hell because he chose the comforts of this life in preference to God's command, or the guy rewarded who stayed true to his deepest convictions while withstanding the traps of comfort and the tribulations of the whole world jeering against him?

Drawn and quartered, forced to be dragged in the hot sand, beaten by whips, having the majority boycott them, being ridiculed everywhere, having camel entrails thrown at them; these are what the sincere and devout of your father's faith had to undergo to acquire a much, much better reward in the long run.

And everyone here who has called Turkey uncivilized or unmannerly; if your thoughts are ANY indication of your character; then it is very likely the opposite.


Are you married bro?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Countries like Turkey and UAE are prime examples of money can't buy you class and civility.

If you lived in the Ottoman Empire, or Turkey before Ataturk, you would see a nation that treated the elderly with utmost respect, that forbidded interest to curb off any greed (a great evil), that relatives were buried in the backyards of homes, that people could trust one another, learning centers could foster students who memorized entire books in one sitting, that women were respected and seen as wise, that everyone knew to keep the earth clean, that there was a loving vibe in the air.

But these aren't indicators of class or civility eh?
You are correct that money can't buy them though.



[QUOTE] I understand that all countries have dirty laundry and try to look prettier on the outside

No, some people choose to be authentic.



, but in case of Turkey and UAE, their efforts to exhibit an attractive, open and modernised image and mask their tribal barbaric ways is just too much.

Tribal, barbaric ways?

Expound on that.


Mind you that Turkey was adamant that it belonged in the EU for years, although the government was rounding up journalists and the opposition without explanation.

And what happened before that?
They banned the Arabic Adhan. They slaughtered scholars. They banned everything religious DESPITE Turkey having been flourished for hundreds and hundreds of years through adherence to that way of life. Guys like Ataturk fought hard to shake up the old order and inject whatever ideologies was trendy at Europe at the time. There's a man named Said Nursi, a MUCH MUCH MUCH better human being than ANYONE on ISH (though he considers himself poor, miserable, abject) who was being persecuted, imprisoned, tortured along with a handful of people who wanted to be more like Europe.

Read up on him. He's crucial to understanding what Turkey had to go through.




The UAE for example where a huge number of Westerners work and visit, you cannot kiss your wife/gf in public, I have read a few times about cases that foreigners were sentenced to prison time because they were seen kissing.

What does this have to do with anything? One ruling on public displays of affection does not take away from whether a nation is civilized. It's how they treat one another, their morals, how orderly a nation is, what they stand for, their manners, their ethics, etc. ec. that define the civility.

[fiddy]

ISH resident terrorist supporter at it again :applause:

[qrich]

Turkey is trash. Kanter is better off.

[qrich]

J$ continues showing much of a dumb**** he is. Saying anything positive about trash like Ataturk.

[fiddy]

J$ continues showing much of a dumb**** he is. Saying anything positive about trash like Ataturk.
Actually, he speaks high of the Ottomans, which is....i dont know...should be punishable by death penalty. Ataturk did many great things, like trying to kick the religious trash out of Turkey.

[Nick Young]

Actually, he speaks high of the Ottomans, which is....i dont know...should be punishable by death penalty. Ataturk did many great things, like trying to kick the religious trash out of Turkey.
How do you feel about Ataturk's genocide against the Armenians? :confusedshrug:

[west_tip]

J$ continues showing much of a dumb**** he is. Saying anything positive about trash like Ataturk

I wouldn't take JEFFERSON MONEY too seriously - he's an internet persona rather than a bona fide poster posting his real thoughtz.

[qrich]

Actually, he speaks high of the Ottomans, which is....i dont know...should be punishable by death penalty. Ataturk did many great things, like trying to kick the religious trash out of Turkey.

Ataturk was trash and saying anything positive about him should also be punishable by death as well.

But then again, you are also the beta bitch that needs to combine countries to match the US

[fiddy]

How do you feel about Ataturk's genocide against the Armenians? :confusedshrug:
Rhetoric question, but i admire his sectarian efforts.

Ataturk was trash and saying anything positive about him should also be punishable by death as well.

But then again, you are also the beta bitch that needs to combine countries to match the US

Match the US? US is a fake country comprised of 51 separate jurisdictions, wake up

[qrich]

Rhetoric question, but i admire his sectarian efforts.


Match the US? US is a fake country comprised of 51 separate jurisdictions, wake up

Yet nothing about Germany. Nothing about France having separate jurisdictions. And you bring in the UK made of separate nations.

Again, what can I expect from a dirty beta bitch like you.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

J$ continues showing much of a dumb**** he is. Saying anything positive about trash like Ataturk.

Dumb? Sure, I'll take that title. But you let emotion cloud your logic upon reading the post though. I never promoted Mustafa Kemal Ataturk for a split moment.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Actually, he speaks high of the Ottomans, which is....i dont know...should be punishable by death penalty. Ataturk did many great things, like trying to kick the religious trash out of Turkey.

True.

[fiddy]

True.
Jihadi supporter :facepalm

[MintBerryCrunch]

I know little about the politics in this situation, but feel bad for Enes for having terrible parents who disown him for this.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I know little about the politics in this situation, but feel bad for Enes for having terrible parents who disown him for this.

you've brough t up quite nice topic.
Wha constiutes good parenting?

[fiddy]

you've brough t up quite nice topic.
Wha constiutes good parenting?
Ill tell you what does not: religion.

[ALBballer]

[QUOTE=dunksby]Countries like Turkey and UAE are prime examples of money can't buy you class and civility.

If you lived in the Ottoman Empire, or Turkey before Ataturk, you would see a nation that treated the elderly with utmost respect, that forbidded interest to curb off any greed (a great evil), that relatives were buried in the backyards of homes, that people could trust one another, learning centers could foster students who memorized entire books in one sitting, that women were respected and seen as wise, that everyone knew to keep the earth clean, that there was a loving vibe in the air.

But these aren't indicators of class or civility eh?
You are correct that money can't buy them though.





No, some people choose to be authentic.



Tribal, barbaric ways?

Expound on that.



And what happened before that?
They banned the Arabic Adhan. They slaughtered scholars. They banned everything religious DESPITE Turkey having been flourished for hundreds and hundreds of years through adherence to that way of life. Guys like Ataturk fought hard to shake up the old order and inject whatever ideologies was trendy at Europe at the time. There's a man named Said Nursi, a MUCH MUCH MUCH better human being than ANYONE on ISH (though he considers himself poor, miserable, abject) who was being persecuted, imprisoned, tortured along with a handful of people who wanted to be more like Europe.

Read up on him. He's crucial to understanding what Turkey had to go through.




What does this have to do with anything? One ruling on public displays of affection does not take away from whether a nation is civilized. It's how they treat one another, their morals, how orderly a nation is, what they stand for, their manners, their ethics, etc. ec. that define the civility.

The is the most blatant whitewashing of history I have seen on the Ottoman Empire. Even hardcore liberal lefties don't go to this extreme. Point is the Ottoman Empire was a colonial empire that left much of its subject (especially in Europe) poor and backwards. While countries in Italy and Western Europe were going through the renaissance period and the renaissance in ideas of the arts, science and secularism the Balkans was caught up in the shithole known as the Ottoman Empire that introduced such magnificent ideas like divide and conquer, Devsirme (basically kidnapping Christian boys at a young age and forcing them to train and fight for the Ottomans), baksheesh (even to this day people in the Balkans use this word to describe tips/bribes because it was so common during the ottoman empire), squashed and killed Ethnic uprisings, closed schools held in the local lands and so forth.

The Ottomans killed millions of people in the Balkans, enslaved god knows how many young boys to fight in their armies, kidnapped god knows how many women to serve in their harems and so forth.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Ill tell you what does not: religion.


So a dad and mom who don't care to teach their children about God nor care for their children's welfare in the Hereafter is superior than one who doesn't?

I agree with you, partially, that if one puts themselves in a dogmatic, unquestioning environment full of false traditions and overdoes the discipline and oppression, it's harmful; but a complete lack of Prayer, Scripture, structure, or spiritual values is much, much, much worse.

On a new premise, parents need to create a household very conducive to the child's success in all regards, find a gentle balance of love and discipline, give sufficient attention, bond with the child, foster enough time for play and exploration, and of course, take care of their own needs/desires as well.

Would you like to expound on the above train of thought or offer ideas, good sir?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

[QUOTE]The is the most blatant whitewashing of history I have seen on the Ottoman Empire.

Sorry, the context was in defense of whether or not Turkey, in general, was civil; pre-collapse. And the things written, the way treated people each other in mainland Turkey (which was the reference point) all constitute civil.

No defense on behalf of the violent acts, the oppression, or the kidnapping of women that rightfully belonged to the Eastern countries. That was flat out wrong on all levels. "Oppression is worse than slaughter."

They, just like the Umayyad Caliphate, have done questionable acts.

With the bad that was covered in your post...
It's also important to note that the yeniccaries were granted political power, that Alby/Bulgy/Romy/Ukry/Greece were allowed to keep their language, religion, and other cultural practices, and had a solid standard of living, lest one falls into the same trap one accused others of. Communism left a toll on your motherland as well, and one must also recognize that pre-Ottoman one's nation wasn't flourishing intellectually. One must also give credit to the justice system. Perhaps most importantly, if the key to salvation was in fact the tenets of Islamic monotheism, (although the Qu'ran states in Chapter 2, Verse (Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans - those [ who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve)
then the bulk of the population would have attained success in the Next World.


But hey, one post is from Muslim lens whereas the other post is Apostate from Albania lens. Probably best to ignore both and consult the historians.

[Dresta]

The is the most blatant whitewashing of history I have seen on the Ottoman Empire. Even hardcore liberal lefties don't go to this extreme. Point is the Ottoman Empire was a colonial empire that left much of its subject (especially in Europe) poor and backwards. While countries in Italy and Western Europe were going through the renaissance period and the renaissance in ideas of the arts, science and secularism the Balkans was caught up in the shithole known as the Ottoman Empire that introduced such magnificent ideas like divide and conquer, Devsirme (basically kidnapping Christian boys at a young age and forcing them to train and fight for the Ottomans), baksheesh (even to this day people in the Balkans use this word to describe tips/bribes because it was so common during the ottoman empire), squashed and killed Ethnic uprisings, closed schools held in the local lands and so forth.

The Ottomans killed millions of people in the Balkans, enslaved god knows how many young boys to fight in their armies, kidnapped god knows how many women to serve in their harems and so forth.

I know for sure this would be being called "the recrudescence of fascism" if it was happening in Europe:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37032171

Off the back of a rather convenient coup plot, and after bringing the entire State under his control, Erdogan is looking like he already considers himself the new Ottoman Sultan.


Although J$ makes a fair enough argument about Ataturk: many of his reforms were what we would call autocratic, and were very brutal in their own way (particularly the forced changing of language script); it is easy to praise their results and neglect the horrors that were inflicted upon ordinary people to bring them about.

But it was the EU and Erdogan who ended the Turkey of Ataturk: there he was, a former Muslim Brotherhood member, emasculating the military, stripping it of its independence, and the eurocrats encouraged him, because they saw this as progression towards what they wanted (when the influence of the military was the primary thing that made Turkey EU admission even thinkable).

[fiddy]

The is the most blatant whitewashing of history I have seen on the Ottoman Empire. Even hardcore liberal lefties don't go to this extreme. Point is the Ottoman Empire was a colonial empire that left much of its subject (especially in Europe) poor and backwards. While countries in Italy and Western Europe were going through the renaissance period and the renaissance in ideas of the arts, science and secularism the Balkans was caught up in the shithole known as the Ottoman Empire that introduced such magnificent ideas like divide and conquer, Devsirme (basically kidnapping Christian boys at a young age and forcing them to train and fight for the Ottomans), baksheesh (even to this day people in the Balkans use this word to describe tips/bribes because it was so common during the ottoman empire), squashed and killed Ethnic uprisings, closed schools held in the local lands and so forth.

The Ottomans killed millions of people in the Balkans, enslaved god knows how many young boys to fight in their armies, kidnapped god knows how many women to serve in their harems and so forth.
Future repped :applause:



So a dad and mom who don't care to teach their children about God nor care for their children's welfare in the Hereafter is superior than one who doesn't?

Would you like to expound on the above train of thought or offer ideas, good sir?

Teach about God? We do not know anything about God. Anyone claiming to be teaching something according to God is a straight liar.

[Dresta]

most other islamic countries look up to turkey and say they want to be more like them, at least economically.

well, as it turns out, turkey looks at other less developed islamic countries and aspires to be more like them instead of "the west."

enes kanter surely knows which side has a better life and better way of doing things. :oldlol:
Turks are not a secular people: Iranians are actually more secular than Turks.

Turkey has been for a while an Islamic country with a secular government, a change which was imposed by force, let's not forget.

Ever since the AKP party took power, other Islamic countries have looked up to Turkey, sure, but as an example of how Islam and politics can mix--it was a big motivator for the Arab Spring, but woefully unreported by naive western media outlets.


J$ continues showing much of a dumb**** he is. Saying anything positive about trash like Ataturk.
Calling a guy a dumb f*ck while failing to read or understand what he wrote: hilarious.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

"Teach about God? We do not know anything about God. Anyone claiming to be teaching something according to God is a straight liar." - Fiddy


Surah 38:14
There was none of them but called the messengers liars, so just was My retribution.



It is only those who believe not in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, who fabricate falsehood, and it is they who are liars.

Ex. the Song posted on Youtube by you days earlier on "If there is a Creator and a Plan"



http://www.jewishroots.net/images/torah-1.gif
KJVB
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Qg0AAOxyGJFR7Gj1/s-l300.jpg
http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1328862243l/188290.jpg

Read through all 4. Kids from feeding on their mom's breastmilk and feeling the affection of their mom's tender touch understand that the One creating and compelling His creatures to receive this must be even more Merciful, kids who hear lessons from their father, receive guidance, and are given their living provisions understand that there is a Creator who is Wiser, The Guide of all Guides, the Righteous Teacher, the Provider of all.

Chapters 67 and 112 are good for starters.


Conversely

Baby feeds on breast milk. Where does breastmilk come from? Mom's teats? Where do mom's teats come from? They are the product of development from the zygote of a woman in conjunction with the nutrients eaten is not a conclusive answer. Where does the human come from, where does the food come from? Food receives nourishment from Sun? Where does the Sun come from? and so on and so on until you realize there was a Creator behind the Universe.
Religious perspective = Adam and Eve (Creation) from God.
Evolution Perspective = Distant Ape Ancestor? Then who created the Ape? Who created the life forms prior?

One adopts the former perspective, their mind is somewhat satisfied.
If it's built on a false premise, then their heart/mind would likely reject it.

Dresta's read all of Neitzsche, some of Spinoza etc. as a teenager and is now beginning to love the Bible more and more, despite most around his immediate vicinity choosing a different way of life.

I've watched a helluva lotta movies, watched Hitchens Interviews, watched Dawkins talk, watched Sam Harris, studied HELLUVA lotta biology, studied Ethics over and over, and see answers in the Qu'ran to questions; despite most around my vicinity being somewhat hostile or apathetic to Islam.

[brownmamba00]

Enes Kanter should be ashamed of himself. Choosing a piece of shit fake imam over his country and family.

[fiddy]

Sorry, but im not wasting my time with books written by people on shrooms. Good virtues existed before those imaginary gods came into existence.

[brownmamba00]

I never promoted Mustafa Kemal Ataturk for a split moment.
you should promote him. don't hold back because of some bulgarians and armenians.

good leader and a great general.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Sorry, but im not wasting my time with books written by people on shrooms. Good virtues existed before those imaginary gods came into existence.

Listen. Are you here to argue or are you on this planet to learn what you were meant to do? There is only One who knows.

2:255
"Allah! There is no god but He - the Living, The Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him Nor Sleep. His are all things In the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede In His presence except As he permitteth? He knoweth What (appeareth to His creatures As) Before or After or Behind them. Nor shall they compass Aught of his knowledge Except as He willeth. His throne doth extend Over the heavens And on earth, and He feeleth No fatigue in guarding And preserving them, For He is the Most High. The Supreme (in glory)."

And we owe it to ourselves to at least learn about
Him.

[fiddy]

you should promote him. don't hold back because of some bulgarians and armenians.

good leader and a great general.
Bahahha, he promoted non-violence against Turkey's neighbors. Stay salty bruh


Listen. Are you here to argue or are you on this planet to learn what you were meant to do? There is only One who knows.


And we owe it to ourselves to at least learn about
Him.

Thats a hypothesis, nothing more.

[Dresta]

Good virtues existed before those imaginary gods came into existence.
No they don't, pretty much by definition. Such a distinction could not even exist without the making assumptions about transcendent (and absolute) truth.

Good virtues are not good virtues if they aren't anchored to something non-relative.

[MintBerryCrunch]

you've brough t up quite nice topic.
Wha constiutes good parenting?
Disowning your child publicly over political/religious difference is definitely not good parenting.

[fiddy]

No they don't, pretty much by definition. Such a distinction could not even exist without the making assumptions about transcendent (and absolute) truth.

Good virtues are not good virtues if they aren't anchored to something non-relative.
I meant Abraham Gods.

[brownmamba00]

This has been going on for a while. Over a year ago it was said he was left off the Turkish team for forming friendships and contracts with Christians and Jews.
He was left off the team because he didn't show up to training camp after giving his word.

stop spreading false info racist pos. nothing to do with jews or christians.

I read his open letter and must say I lost all sympathy for him. If there is one person worse then Erdogan it's the fake exiled imam Fethullah Gulen.

Good friends with the Bush family and has strong acquaintances inside the CIA. Helped Erdogan get in to power and still till this day creates civil unrest between political and religious camps. Brainwashes people from a young age and leeches off of him/her when he gets to high ranks in the Justice system or other institutions .

[Nick Young]

He was left off the team because he didn't show up to training camp after giving his word.

stop spreading false info racist pos. nothing to do with jews or christians.

I read his open letter and must say I lost all sympathy for him. If there is one person worse then Erdogan it's the fake exiled imam Fethullah Gulen.

Good friends with the Bush family and has strong acquaintances inside the CIA. Helped Erdogan get in to power and still till this day creates civil unrest between political and religious camps. Brainwashes people from a young age and leeches off of him/her when he gets to high ranks in the Justice system or other institutions .
How is Gulen the tolerant peacemonger worse than Erdogan? Please explain.

[dunksby]

How is Gulen the tolerant peacemonger worse than Erdogan? Please explain.
Don't be naive, they used to be best pals.

[brownmamba00]

How is Gulen the tolerant peacemonger worse than Erdogan? Please explain.
Erdogan used to shower the Gulen movement with gifts and praises. They were partners in the beginning and both sides helped each other out.

from '06 till '13 they shared the government institutions and power...their relationship turned sour after Erdogan became president (in fear of being prosecuted for his crimes), and since then they've been at war because of RTE's over blown ego thus why he is unwilling to share his power with him.

Gulen might be a deceiver but he's not dumb...the coup was staged obviously.

[pauk]

lol @ these bullheaded trolls vs J$... we dont deserve such a mature, tolerant, cultivated, objective & intelligent poster such as J$ in this forum...

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

lol @ these bullheaded trolls vs J$... we dont deserve such a mature, tolerant, cultivated, objective & intelligent poster such as J$ in this forum...

My heart can not genuinely accept that praise.

But Pauk. Pauk's life story is a living emblem of the indomitable human spirit. Patiently and persistently undergoing what you had to go through as a kid in war-torn Balkans and coming out a forgiving, loving human, loving all kinds of people irregardless, coming together to promote peace and brotherhood, finding beauty and truth in all expressions of art; music and movies. That's a feat ! A peaceful humpback whale getting mocked at mercilessly by a bunch of ignorant, impressionable guppies then rising back stronger and ever and seeing the CHAMPION LBJ rise alongside with you, now this is the story that all of man needs to learn from.

Best gift we can give one another is praying on behalf of each other. Example: Tonight I go to sleep and in my heart recite "On behalf of pauk, "Rabbana atayna fidunya hasanato wa fil akhirati hasanto wakina adhabanar," or "On behalf of Dresta ,"Please grant Dresta knowledge, faith and heal him and restore him to optimal mental condition." etc. "Please guide Fiddy to Truth, and see things as they are, not what they appear to be."

Now if ISH were to JUST for one moment kick their bad habits to the curb, toss aside their distractions, purge themselves off the mistakes of past, confront the deeper issues of life, really really find a cause that unites one another, love one another gently, and become disciplined, read folk; worshipped God Alone with no partners. then this place can be a CENTER of high conscious, quality knowledge being exchanged for all to witness, digest from, and develop as individuals.


We're all here to learn in this journey called life. Let us commend the fact that brother pauk having bulldozed past sleepless nights with bombs is still smiling at us saying it's all gonna be okay, brother Dresta having conquered the pleasures of substance and women has chosen to set aside time to impart knowledge upon us, brother DonDadda sticking up for the oppressed of his people in the midst of a warring harsh urban jungle has chosen to promote the values of peace and brotherhood, brother Budadii serving to harshly and sternly demolish the perpetrators of the Law.

[Akrazotile]

We know Jefferson Money is not married, because he's a psychotic internet loser.

He claims REAL muslims have zero physical contact with women to whom they are not married or related.

If he is the person he says he is (he's not obviously, remember his shtick about being a college kid always cramming for finals, hitting the gym, partying with the wimmenz etc) then he's literally never even touched a female, or even looked at one in a bikini on the beach.

Guy wastes all his time on here pretending to be a muslim because he's obsessed with lifestyles he doesn't live. His next persona will probably be some grizzled, globe-traveling adventurer. He's obsessed with other people and their interesting lives. He doesn't have one of his own. He sits in front of the computer 24/7 ringing his hands over other humans and how they live. Guy is a not actually a muslim, nor a kid living it up in college, nor anything else he pretends to be. He's some weirdo in a basement on a laptop.

P.E.R.I.O.D.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

We know Jefferson Money is not married, because he's a psychotic internet loser.

He claims REAL muslims have zero physical contact with women to whom they are not married or related.

If he is the person he says he is (he's not obviously, remember his shtick about being a college kid always cramming for finals, hitting the gym, partying with the wimmenz etc) then he's literally never even touched a female, or even looked at one in a bikini on the beach.

Guy wastes all his time on here pretending to be a muslim because he's obsessed with lifestyles he doesn't live. His next persona will probably be some grizzled, globe-traveling adventurer. He's obsessed with other people and their interesting lives. He doesn't have one of his own. He sits in front of the computer 24/7 ringing his hands over other humans and how they live. Guy is a not actually a muslim, nor a kid living it up in college, nor anything else he pretends to be. He's some weirdo in a basement on a laptop.

P.E.R.I.O.D.

or B) Reforming from the college life to spiritual life.

Any who loser doesn't begin to describe how I've wasted my time on earth imprisoned to my own pleasures.

For the future though envision a society where each member sought to support each other member, covered up their flaws, and protected their honor/dignity. Would make the world a better place, no?

[fiddy]

lol @ these bullheaded trolls vs J$... we dont deserve such a mature, tolerant, cultivated, objective & intelligent poster such as J$ in this forum...
Right for once, we dont deserve all that jihadi propaganda.

[StephHamann]

Serious tinfoil here:

Jefferson$ and 3ball are the same poster

[fiddy]

Serious tinfoil here:

Jefferson$ and 3ball are the same poster
:confusedshrug: