What does it say when you win FMVP for less than half your championships?

[Dray n Klay]

Tony Parker: 1/4

James Worthy: 1/3

John Havlicek: 1/8

Kobe: 2/5





What does it say about these players?

[MaxPlayer]

Carried by dominant big men?

[AintNoSunshine]

They are sidekicks?

[SouBeachTalents]

Kareem: 2/6

[Dray n Klay]

Kareem: 2/6

Kareem was robbed in 1980, technically he's 3/6

[Dray n Klay]

The ONLY players to win FMVP for less than half their rings, in NBA HISTORY


Tony Parker: 1/4

James Worthy: 1/3

John Havlicek: 1/8

Kobe: 2/5

Dwayne Wade: 1/3






What do they all have in common?



NONE of them are Top 15 players in NBA History

[GrapeApe]

So by OP's logic it's better to be 1/10 in the finals with 1 FMVP (100%) than to to be 10/10 the finals with 4 FMVP's (40%).

[SouBeachTalents]

So by OP's logic it's better to be 1/10 in the finals with 1 FMVP (100%) than to to be 10/10 the finals with 4 FMVP's (40%).

Not really, he said championships, not Finals appearances

[Ca$H]

Kareem was robbed in 1980, technically he's 3/6

Factually he is 2/6. Stop the mental gymnastics.

[Dray n Klay]

Factually he is 2/6. Stop the mental gymnastics.

Either way you spin it being the best player in less than half your championships puts you in the Tony Parker, Cedric Maxwell tier all time :confusedshrug:

[Ca$H]

Oscar Robertson - 0/1.

[Ca$H]

Either way you spin it being the best player in less than half your championships puts you in the Tony Parker, Cedric Maxwell tier all time :confusedshrug:

So Tony Parker is better than Oscar Robertson?

[Dray n Klay]

So Tony Parker is better than Oscar Robertson?


I'm talking about players who won fmvps less than half the time not players who never won fmvp



Learn how to read dumbass :oldlol:

[Ca$H]

I'm an obese simpleton with a vestigial micropenis

:biggums:

[SouBeachTalents]

The ONLY players to win FMVP for less than half their rings, in NBA HISTORY


Tony Parker: 1/4

James Worthy: 1/3

John Havlicek: 1/8

Kobe: 2/5

Dwayne Wade: 1/3






What do they all have in common?



NONE of them are Top 15 players in NBA History

Lol, so you're basically punishing players for winning extra rings? Wade would've been better off had they lost in '12 or '13? Ditto Kobe during the 3peat?

What's the honest difference between this and the idiots who criticize LeBron for his Finals record?

[Dray n Klay]

Lol, so you're basically punishing players for winning extra rings? Wade would've been better off had they lost in '12 or '13? Ditto Kobe during the 3peat?

What's the honest difference between this and the idiots who criticize LeBron for his Finals record?

I'm not saying Wade would be better off if they lost in '12 '13, im just saying those rings shouldnt move him up.





Heck if Wade only won once in 2006, he still wouldn't be Top 20, why should he be moved to Top 20 for winning without FMVP? :confusedshrug:




Same with Kobe, what really seperates Kobe from Tony Parker or Havlicek? All of them won FMVP for less than half their rings

[Ca$H]

I'm not saying Wade would be better off if they lost in '12 '13, im just saying those rings shouldnt move him up.





Heck if Wade only won once in 2006, he still wouldn't be Top 20, why should he be moved to Top 20 for winning without FMVP? :confusedshrug:




Same with Kobe, what really seperates Kobe from Tony Parker or Havlicek? All of them won FMVP for less than half their rings

Same with KAJ. Also Big O's one sidekick ring is worthless so Tony Parker > Big O.

[ILLsmak]

Tony Parker: 1/4

James Worthy: 1/3

John Havlicek: 1/8

Kobe: 2/5





What does it say about these players?

Win less than half your finals or win less than half of your FMVPS. hmm.

-Smak

[Big164]

Kareem was robbed in 1980, technically he's 3/6
that would make Magic 2/5...Any way you slice it this thread was a bad idea.

I'll take Kobe's two as the man over any of Lecolluder's titles.

[SouBeachTalents]

that would make Magic 2/5...Any way you slice it this thread was a bad idea.

I'll take Kobe's two as the man over any of Lecolluder's titles.

I'll take the one where LeBron lead both teams in every statistical category while completing the first 3-1 comeback in Finals history against the 73 win defending champs. But I guess beating the immortal Magic and shooting 6/24 in Game 7 is just as impressive

[Mr Feeny]

that would make Magic 2/5...Any way you slice it this thread was a bad idea.

I'll take Kobe's two as the man over any of Lecolluder's titles.Too bad Lebron's 2016 title means more than all 5 of Kobe's title combined :lebronamazed:

That's why he's a consensus top 3 player all time while Kobe is max 12th and falling:lol

[Chokefree]

Too bad Lebron's 2016 title means more than all 5 of Kobe's title combined :lebronamazed:

That's why he's a consensus top 3 player all time while Kobe is max 12th and falling:lol

ok we get it....if kobe is a 12th of all time why keep bringing it up and reassuring us ? Are you insecure about something? Come on now :facepalm

[GimmeThat]

that even if people age, don't be a pedophile

[IllegalD]

Keep making threads about a retired player, Simon you little b*tch.

And Feeney another insecure f*ggot trying to convince himself that 2+2=5.

What a worthless life you two live. :roll:

[kamil]

Too bad Lebron's 2016 title means more than all 5 of Kobe's title combined :lebronamazed:

That's why he's a consensus top 3 player all time while Kobe is max 12th and falling:lol

He's not. Stop being delusional.

[Mr Feeny]

He's not. Stop being delusional.

He is. Stop being delusional?

[Lebronxrings]

This is actually pretty interesting. Just goes to show that top 20 players all were the alpha in their wins.

[K Xerxes]

that would make Magic 2/5...Any way you slice it this thread was a bad idea.

I'll take Kobe's two as the man over any of Lecolluder's titles.

To be fair, Magic deserved Worthy's MVP. So Kareem should have been 3/6 and Magic should still have been 3/5. Not that this makes OP's argument any less shitty.

[JT123]

I'll take the one where LeBron lead both teams in every statistical category while completing the first 3-1 comeback in Finals history against the 73 win defending champs. But I guess beating the immortal Magic and shooting 6/24 in Game 7 is just as impressive
Ouch :lol

[HurricaneKid]

I'll take Kobe's two as the man over any of Lecolluder's titles.

You would take 6/24 over LeBron's 2012 and 2016 titles?

Why would you brag about being dumb?

This thread IS an abject failure. But your post is somehow worse.

[Big164]

But I guess beating the immortal Magic
You mean the immortal magic team that eliminated Lebron just a month earlier?

Or or the Magical Celtics that eliminated Lebron 1 year later... cuz Kobe beat both those teams in the Finals.

[NBAGOAT]

You mean the immortal magic team that eliminated Lebron just a month earlier?

Or or the Magical Celtics that eliminated Lebron 1 year later... cuz Kobe beat both those teams in the Finals.

dont want to really go down this road but you know perfectly well that roster wasnt even good. it's a pretty great carryjob leading tht team just to the playoffs let alone 60+ wins

[MintBerryCrunch]

Not really, he said championships, not Finals appearances
His post made sense, you just missed the point.

[jstern]

Stacked team.

For example, Steph Curry.

[Timrock]

dont want to really go down this road but you know perfectly well that roster wasnt even good. it's a pretty great carryjob leading tht team just to the playoffs let alone 60+ wins
when LeBron fails, blame the TEAM, but when he wins, its all Lebron.

[bdreason]

LeBron has 3 Finals MVP's in 7 appearances. You don't get a pass because you lost in the Finals.

[warriorfan]

LeBron has 3 Finals MVP's in 7 appearances. You don't get a pass because you lost in the Finals.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

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How many FMVP's does Curry have? In fact, how many FMVP votes has he received?

[Lebron23]

Why are they sucking in FIBA Competitions? If they are suffering from fatigue because they are playing non stop basketball since the 2014-15 NBA Season.

They should have been replaced by Gordon Hayward, and Dwight Howard or Anthony Davis.

[warriorfan]

This is a prime example of what is known as the Curry effect

[juju151111]

Why are they sucking in FIBA Competitions? If they are suffering from fatigue because they are playing non stop basketball since the 2014-15 NBA Season.

They should have been replaced by Gordon Hayward, and Dwight Howard or Anthony Davis.
Well they wanted to play and even Mj suffered from fatigue after going to 2 finals then straight to Olympics. Mj said he hit a wall couldn't hit anything. I understand in Mj case cause he averaged like 40 mpg. He also wasn't taking the Olympics serious he was up pass curfew and playing golf rounds of golf. Those guys are not in mj or lebron shap

[Orlando Magic]

This is a prime example of what is known as the Curry effect

You are a prime example, yep.

I had heard he attracted ****** groupie posters to threads that had nothing whatsoever to do with him, but then you went and became repeated living proof.

[Ca$H]

Why are they sucking in FIBA Competitions? If they are suffering from fatigue because they are playing non stop basketball since the 2014-15 NBA Season.

They should have been replaced by Gordon Hayward, and Dwight Howard or Anthony Davis.

They aren't that good. They are basically role players with inflated stats because of the warriors system and Curry. Kyrie is proving that he is a superstar no matter who he plays with. I think Kyrie is easily a top 10 player.

[stalkerforlife]

They're the two most overrated players in the NBA.

Overrated to meet an agenda.

But real basketball minds know they're both part of the system.

[warriorfan]

You are a prime example, yep.

I had heard he attracted ****** groupie posters to threads that had nothing whatsoever to do with him, but then you went and became repeated living proof.
This is a prime example of a total meltdown

[Spurs m8]

This is a prime example of a total meltdown

He's right tho...

[Ca$H]

They're the two most overrated players in the NBA.

Overrated to meet an agenda.

But real basketball minds know they're both part of the system.

Yes. It's the system + Curry. Similar to guys like Julian Edelman and Wes Welker producing because of Brady + the pats system.

[LikeABosh]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W0Wna2KPHB4/UXzHsNPTGGI/AAAAAAAAPBY/9aEnHRftkZs/s1600/BATMAN%201966%20ROBIN%20BURT%20WARD.jpg

[Ca$H]

The Finals and now the Olympics have solidified the fact that Kyrie is on a higher tier than Klay and Dray. Klay and Dray just benefit from playing with Curry + the Warriors system similar to guys like Julian Edelman and Wes Welker benefiting from playing with Brady + the Pats system. Kyrie Irving is easily a top 10 player. Klay and Dray are somewhere between 15-20.

[Nilocon165]

https://media.giphy.com/media/12pH0Z3icAK0rC/giphy.gif

The fact of the matter is, everyone on the Warriors including Curry is a choking bitch

[Ca$H]

https://media.giphy.com/media/12pH0Z3icAK0rC/giphy.gif

The fact of the matter is, everyone on the Warriors including Curry is a choking bitch

At least Curry was injured. Brady in 2008 had a high ankle sprain and he "choked" too. Where do you rank Kyrie objectively?

[Kblaze8855]

What's the honest difference between this and the idiots who criticize LeBron for his Finals record?


Very little.

[Nilocon165]

At least Curry was injured. Brady in 2008 had a high ankle sprain and he "choked" too. Where do you rank Kyrie objectively?
:facepalm

Whatever you say warriorfan.

[Dray n Klay]

Dray and Klay living rent free


Hahaha

[Lebronxrings]

At least Curry was injured. Brady in 2008 had a high ankle sprain and he "choked" too. Where do you rank Kyrie objectively?
what the fcuk.. are you an idiot??

[LongLiveTheKing]

Kyrie>Dray>Klay>>>>>>>>>Steph

[Ca$H]

what the fcuk.. are you an idiot??

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/stephen-curry-golden-state-warriors-steve-kerr-finals-injury-lucky-cavaliers-lebron-james-081016

[Inferno]

Very little.

I have no side in this, but it's weird that threads like this specifically made to bash Kobe or kept up while Jeff/Steve keeps closing all the threads made by Kobe stans :lol

[GrapeApe]

Irving is without question better than Klay Thompson. Green is a tough comparison because he's so unique and his skill set is so much different than Irving's. In terms of their respective roles, I might have to give the edge to Green. As pure basketball players, Irving is more talented.

[red1]

LeBron has 3 Finals MVP's in 7 appearances. You don't get a pass because you lost in the Finals.
OP was asking for it :oldlol:

[Ca$H]

Irving is without question better than Klay Thompson. Green is a tough comparison because he's so unique and his skill set is so much different than Irving's. In terms of their respective roles, I might have to give the edge to Green. As pure basketball players, Irving is more talented.

Kyrie is like the Antonio Brown of the NBA. He is a true dynamic stud. If he stays healthy he will surpass Isaiah Thomas on the GOAT list.

[Dray n Klay]

Who's improved the most?



Who's was ruined the most?

[Dray n Klay]

LeBron has 3 Finals MVP's in 7 appearances. You don't get a pass because you lost in the Finals.



That still ranks favourably :confusedshrug:



LeBron 3/7


Magic 3/9


Kareem 2/10


Kobe 2/7


Bird 2/5





LeBron >>>>

[scuzzy]

Who's improved the most?



Who's was ruined the most?

Welp

one has sole custody and full ownership of any Finals that arises

another was the anchor to 2 wonderful finals teams

the last went fishing in April like every year, or barely sniffed it

[Dray n Klay]

Btw when comparing ATG's :


Losing in the Finals >> Winning without FMVP

[Akrazotile]

That's a really good question, OP. It's hard to answer it without bias, since I am a big big big Kobe stan, going way back.

But if I am to be objective, I would probably break it down like this:

Improved: Lebron

Stayed the same: Duncan

Destroyed: Kobe

[Mr Feeny]

Welp

one has sole custody and full ownership of any Finals that arises

another was the anchor to 2 wonderful finals teams

the last went fishing in April like every year, or barely sniffed it


:rockon: :applause:

[IllegalD]

Kobe added to his by authoring the greatest farewell performance in any sport ever and psychologically mindraping Simon baby-boy, his 67 alts, Feeny and the rest of the Braun Famiglia into making posts about him for the rest of their miserable lives.

:applause: :bowdown: :rockon: :banana:

[Dray n Klay]

Kobe added to his by authoring the greatest farewell performance in any sport ever and psychologically mindraping Simon baby-boy, his 67 alts, Feeny and the rest of the Braun Famiglia into making posts about him for the rest of their miserable lives.

:applause: :bowdown:


IllegalD baby-boy, how much fish did you sell today??


:hammertime: :hammertime:

[IllegalD]

IllegalD baby-boy, how much fish did you sell today??


:hammertime: :hammertime:


How much closer did you get to overcoming your fear of being bullied by black guys and getting your HS diploma? Should be way easier now that you're in your 20's?

:lol :roll: :banana:

[scuzzy]

IllegalD baby-boy, how much fish did you sell today??


:hammertime: :hammertime:
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[scuzzy]

How much closer did you get to overcoming your fear of being bullied by black guys and getting your HS diploma? Should be way easier now that you're in your 20's?

:lol :roll: :banana:
http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah163/lambruh/VbKMU_zpsjxjuthbq.gif