scuzzy
08-11-2016, 10:49 PM
Interesting find, mostly 80-90% of REAL Laker fans have Lebron cemented top 5 AND above Kobe :eek:
http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=178559&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Quotes about "The Decision"
Kareem forced a trade after he made it clear he would leave as a free agent if they didn't trade him.
Shaq of course moved around a lot.
Kobe, Duncan, and Magic were lucky enough to be drafted onto great teams that already had a GOAT/MVP level player and won a ring before they had a chance to leave.
Personally, it makes no different to me that Lebron played on multiple teams, anymore than it does that Shaq, Kareem, Oscar Robertson, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Moses Malone, Hakeem, and Wilt Chamberlain did.
I think players will do what's in their best interest, and the guys who stayed on one team did it because they were in great situations where that was in their best interest, not because they were different than anyone else. So I don't give extra credit for that.
All these guys exerted their power to get their teams to change coaches, make trades, etc. Lebron just exerted his power in a different way, partly because he operated in a different era where he had different option
I think every superstar would love to handpick the players he plays with. Until recently, though, they couldn't figure out how to do that other than pressuring their GMs.
Believe me, Magic never complained when the Lakers added former MVP Bob McAdoo as a backup to a team already stacked with Hall of Famers; Larry Bird never complained when the Celtics added former MVP Bill Walton as a backup to a team already stacked with Hall of Famers.
Only thing different about Lebron is he figured out a way to create the team he wanted rather than cross his fingers and hope a GM did it for him. You think that's a negative; I think that makes him smart.
He's the product of new era, where superstars no longer see themselves as employees of a team, but as independent businesses that lease their services to a team for a specified period. Instead of whining and sulking if their GMs do poor jobs, they just leave.
Again, you think that's a negative. I think it simply reflects the new economic realities of the NBA, where superstars are as big as the teams they play for, and where they no longer feel a need to pretend where the fans they play in front of live.
1. NBA rules allowed Lebron to sign anywhere as a free agent, and they allowed him to ask Wade and Bosh to join him. I don't see why Lebron exercising his free agent rights as allowed by NBA rules was unethical.
2. The NBA has specifically said that players on different teams who talk about playing together in the future does not constitute "collusion" or "tampering," so you are incorrect to call what they did "collusion." The NBA specifically allows players to do this kind of future planning.
3. Magic and Bird were surrounded by Hall of Famers for most of their playing careers. They had much better teams around them than Lebron ever did. If they had left those teams, they would have probably won fewer rings, not more. Not hard to play the hand you're dealt if you're dealt four aces, huh?
4. Jordan was drafted by the Bulls and had no choice but to play for them during the bad years in the 80s. I believe his only option to leave would have been right before the threepeats started, so again it's likely his leaving would have resulted in fewer rings, not more.
5. If Kobe had left the Lakers as a free agent in 2004, all we can say for sure if he wouldn't have won rings with the Lakers in 09 and 10. So maybe instead of the four extra rings you imagine he'd win by leaving the Lakers, he'd have two less rings. After all, you know better than to give players credit for imaginary scenarios that never actually happened!
Where's all the real Laker fans like this on ISH?
:confusedshrug:
http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=178559&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Quotes about "The Decision"
Kareem forced a trade after he made it clear he would leave as a free agent if they didn't trade him.
Shaq of course moved around a lot.
Kobe, Duncan, and Magic were lucky enough to be drafted onto great teams that already had a GOAT/MVP level player and won a ring before they had a chance to leave.
Personally, it makes no different to me that Lebron played on multiple teams, anymore than it does that Shaq, Kareem, Oscar Robertson, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Moses Malone, Hakeem, and Wilt Chamberlain did.
I think players will do what's in their best interest, and the guys who stayed on one team did it because they were in great situations where that was in their best interest, not because they were different than anyone else. So I don't give extra credit for that.
All these guys exerted their power to get their teams to change coaches, make trades, etc. Lebron just exerted his power in a different way, partly because he operated in a different era where he had different option
I think every superstar would love to handpick the players he plays with. Until recently, though, they couldn't figure out how to do that other than pressuring their GMs.
Believe me, Magic never complained when the Lakers added former MVP Bob McAdoo as a backup to a team already stacked with Hall of Famers; Larry Bird never complained when the Celtics added former MVP Bill Walton as a backup to a team already stacked with Hall of Famers.
Only thing different about Lebron is he figured out a way to create the team he wanted rather than cross his fingers and hope a GM did it for him. You think that's a negative; I think that makes him smart.
He's the product of new era, where superstars no longer see themselves as employees of a team, but as independent businesses that lease their services to a team for a specified period. Instead of whining and sulking if their GMs do poor jobs, they just leave.
Again, you think that's a negative. I think it simply reflects the new economic realities of the NBA, where superstars are as big as the teams they play for, and where they no longer feel a need to pretend where the fans they play in front of live.
1. NBA rules allowed Lebron to sign anywhere as a free agent, and they allowed him to ask Wade and Bosh to join him. I don't see why Lebron exercising his free agent rights as allowed by NBA rules was unethical.
2. The NBA has specifically said that players on different teams who talk about playing together in the future does not constitute "collusion" or "tampering," so you are incorrect to call what they did "collusion." The NBA specifically allows players to do this kind of future planning.
3. Magic and Bird were surrounded by Hall of Famers for most of their playing careers. They had much better teams around them than Lebron ever did. If they had left those teams, they would have probably won fewer rings, not more. Not hard to play the hand you're dealt if you're dealt four aces, huh?
4. Jordan was drafted by the Bulls and had no choice but to play for them during the bad years in the 80s. I believe his only option to leave would have been right before the threepeats started, so again it's likely his leaving would have resulted in fewer rings, not more.
5. If Kobe had left the Lakers as a free agent in 2004, all we can say for sure if he wouldn't have won rings with the Lakers in 09 and 10. So maybe instead of the four extra rings you imagine he'd win by leaving the Lakers, he'd have two less rings. After all, you know better than to give players credit for imaginary scenarios that never actually happened!
Where's all the real Laker fans like this on ISH?
:confusedshrug: