Shaq with 0 ALL NBA Defensive 1st team selection in 19 nba seasons (Overrated)

[k0kakw0rld]

Most dominant my ass. Top 5 my ass :no:

Discuss

[Fire Colangelo]

Shaq isn't as fundamental defensively as someone like Tim Duncan.

But he's a good post defender (due to his size and his strength) and most importantly he imposes fear on the opponent guards.

[Milbuck]

Peak Shaq finished 2nd in DPOY voting and anchored the #1 defense in the league. You're retarded.

[k0kakw0rld]

Peak Shaq finished 2nd in DPOY voting and anchored the #1 defense in the league. You're retarded.
That's all I hear, peak Shaq this peak Shaq that. Duncan dominated his ass for years. They talking about most dominant big man. He was just a bully (physically superior with incredible charisma on and off the court). Make no mistakes, his ass is behind Duncan out of the top 5.

[k0kakw0rld]

Peak Shaq finished 2nd in DPOY voting and anchored the #1 defense in the league. You're retarded.
Finished 2nd in DPOY (that's cute) for how many years did he find himself in that position? :confusedshrug:

[aj1987]

Finished 2nd in DPOY (that's cute) for how many years did he find himself in that position? :confusedshrug:
Duncan's highest finish is #3 and he did that ONCE. Kobe has 9 All-NBA First selections is he a better defender than Pippen?

Stop being retarded. Shaq is top 5 and you just have to deal with it.

[Bankaii]

It generally helps to watch basketball before 2010 so you know what the hell is going on.

It's harder to find good threads here than it it is to find dumb ones.:facepalm

[k0kakw0rld]

Duncan's highest finish is #3 and he did that ONCE. Kobe has 9 All-NBA First selections is he a better defender than Pippen?

Stop being retarded. Shaq is top 5 and you just have to deal with it.
No he ain't

[aj1987]

No he ain't
Excellent argument. Go back to stanning Deron Williams, dumbass.

[jbryan1984]

I never remember Shaq ever being the best defensive center in the league??

[Im Still Ballin]

All defensive teams are the worst measurement of an individual's defense

DPOY and DPOY voting/rank is a much better subjective analysis, to go along with defense advanced metrics

[Haymaker]

Shaq isn't as fundamental defensively as someone like Tim Duncan.

But he's a good post defender (due to his size and his strength) and most importantly he imposes fear on the opponent guards.

This

[PJR]

Shaq was pretty bad defending screen and roll. Detroit killed him in 2004.

Rim protection and lane intimidation was he extent of Shaq's defense. That's all he really neeeded in his heyday though.

[MP.Trey]

Centers have a hard time making these All-Defensive team spots.

Guards and Forward have 4 spots each to be able to get in. Centers only have 2. Meaning you could have been considered the 3rd best defender at your position (or the league, potentially) your entire career, and never make an all-defensive team.

I don't think Shaq was dominant defensively but I do think he struck fear in his opponents and was able to body up most people he went against. If Centers got 4 spots every year, I'm willing to bet Shaq would have a couple more selections.

[Im Still Ballin]

It always came down to effort for Shaq

in 99-2000, he was in really great shape, and motivated

[DavisIsMyUniBro]

Honestly, I think it's extremely obvious Duncan was a better defender for the majority of their careers, and peak vs peak on defense as well, and honestly Duncan is higher on my all time list than shaq.

Shaq was more dominant in his prime though, and had a better one.

The fact that Duncan never got dpoy is just ridiculous

[k0kakw0rld]

All defensive teams are the worst measurement of an individual's defense

DPOY and DPOY voting/rank is a much better subjective analysis, to go along with defense advanced metrics
Duncan > Shaq defensively eye test or nah

Duncan anchors a defense better than anybody I know

I mean look at what a way past his prime Duncan was able to do vs the Heat 2013 and 2014.

[feyki]

Duncan > Shaq defensively eye test or nah

Duncan anchors a defense better than anybody I know

I mean look at what a way past his prime Duncan was able to do vs the Heat 2013 and 2014.

Don't forget Ben Wallace . They played in the same time .

[Smoke117]

Honestly, I think it's extremely obvious Duncan was a better defender for the majority of their careers, and peak vs peak on defense as well, and honestly Duncan is higher on my all time list than shaq.

Shaq was more dominant in his prime though, and had a better one.

The fact that Duncan never got dpoy is just ridiculous

Not really...his prime and peak defensively pretty much coincided with Ben Wallace's and he was more dominant, period. To be fair though, they did give it to Ron Artest on season when he had no business receiving it. (he wasn't even the most impactful defender on his team...Jermaine O'neal was) Though that had no bearing on Duncan as Wallace was the best that season too.

[aj1987]

Honestly, I think it's extremely obvious Duncan was a better defender for the majority of their careers, and peak vs peak on defense as well, and honestly Duncan is higher on my all time list than shaq.

Shaq was more dominant in his prime though, and had a better one.

The fact that Duncan never got dpoy is just ridiculous
No shit. Duncan was a better defender, but Shaq just deterred penetrators. He did that better than a handful in the history of the game. Shaq was also a vastly better offensive player. The edge that Duncan has on defense is overshadowed by Shaq's offense. The only thing that Duncan has over Shaq is longevity and that's an extremely weak argument as well.

[greymatter]

Shaq's era coincided with lots of elite defensive centers.

Olajuwon, Drob were miles ahead of him early in his career. Mutombo, Mourning, and Wallace were miles ahead of him in the latter half of his career.

His never making a 1st team wasn't a result of being overrated. The only thing you can pin on him is being lazy at times on defense. He was a clearly inferior defender in comparison to those who made the 1st team in that he was incapable of playing hard on defense and entire game without getting into foul trouble.

All in all, OP is a moron.

[k0kakw0rld]

Shaq's era coincided with lots of elite defensive centers.

Olajuwon, Drob were miles ahead of him early in his career. Mutombo, Mourning, and Wallace were miles ahead of him in the latter half of his career.

His never making a 1st team wasn't a result of being overrated. The only thing you can pin on him is being lazy at times on defense. He was a clearly inferior defender in comparison to those who made the 1st team in that he was incapable of playing hard on defense and entire game without getting into foul trouble.

All in all, OP is a moron.
Lazy and top 5 don't rhyme together. You are the moron for thinking otherwise.