2014 Kevin Love vs 2016 Draymond Green

[Dray n Klay]

Greens Passing and Defense >>> Loves Scoring and Rebounding



Draymond Green is still vastly better :applause:

[lilteapot]

ok

[Nilocon165]

ok

[CarlosBoozer]

ok

[kito-kito12]

I don

[warriorfan]

Kevin Love is a superstar

Kevin Love pre-LeBron put up 26/12.5/4.4/on 59% TS

Here is a list of players who have achieved that feat

https://s32.postimg.org/g9918d2pf/Kevin_Love_Ho_F.png

The only players who have ever managed to do it is Kevin Love and Prime Kareem Abdul Jabbar

It's pretty safe to say that Kevin Love pre-LeBron was a superstar

Coincidentally Kevin Love stopped performing at a superstar level as soon as he started playing with LeBron

Coincidentally this is the exact thing that happened when Chris Bosh played with LeBron

Therefore we can determine that LeBron-Ball has a diminishing effect on his teammates effectiveness, lowering the potential of his team below the actual level of the team's true talent

[Dray n Klay]

Draymond being able to get his stats in a 3rd option role is more impressive than Love getting those stats in a 1st option role where he gets all the touches

[warriorfan]

Draymond being able to get his stats in a 3rd option role is more impressive than Love getting those stats in a 1st option role where he gets all the touches

Draymond Green Admits to Stat-Padding (http://deadspin.com/draymond-green-gets-it-1756238722)

[QUOTE][I][SIZE="3"]After the game, Green admitted that he was chasing stats and trying to get another assist to ensure a triple-double. I

[feyki]

Beside of trolling , Dray was more impactful player on the court .

In my calculations ..

14 Love - ( Off +/- +7 , W/out hustle +3 ) + ( Def +/- +3 , w/out hustle 0 ) = Tot +/- 10

16 Dray ( Off +/- +4 , w/out hustle +1 ) + ( Def +/- +7 , w/out hustle +4 ) = Tot +/- 11

[BigKAT]

Dray was better because of the system in place and the players around him.
He's the best player to put on that Warriors Team.

I really like Love as a player, and if I had to draft one of them right now I'd definetly go for Kevin Love, much more talented and I think proper defense can be taught through good coaching (thibs?) but you can't teach a player to go for 26/12

But yeah I get your point, 2016 Green >>> 2014 Love.
Mostly out of chemistry reasons, not because he is the superior player.

[warriorfan]

Beside of trolling , Dray was more impactful player on the court .

In my calculations ..

14 Love - ( Off +/- +7 , W/out hustle +3 ) + ( Def +/- +3 , w/out hustle 0 ) = Tot +/- 10

16 Dray ( Off +/- +4 , w/out hustle +1 ) + ( Def +/- +7 , w/out hustle +4 ) = Tot +/- 11

How impactful would 2016 Draymond be if he played on the 2014 Timberwolves?

[BigKAT]

How impactful would 2016 Draymond be if he played on the 2014 Timberwolves?

Probably doesn't touch Kevin's numbers.
Still doesn't really contradict the point of the topic imo

[feyki]

How impactful would 2016 Draymond be if he played on the 2014 Timberwolves?

Who knows :confusedshrug:

[ShawkFactory]

How impactful would 2016 Draymond be if he played on the 2014 Timberwolves?
It's quite clear.

Love is a better first option and will always put up better numbers in that scenario.

Dray's skillset is FAR more valuable as the 3rd option though.

[warriorfan]

Draymond is not even that good of a passer, he just takes advantage of 4 on 3 scenarios that are created by Steph Curry

https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/4bYYPLGiZavZr6odQMT2_61HGAc=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3783750/warriorsball.0.gif

Draymond would get exposed big time on the 2014 Timberwolves

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Draymond is not even that good of a passer, he just takes advantage of 4 on 3 scenarios that are created by Steph Curry

https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/4bYYPLGiZavZr6odQMT2_61HGAc=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3783750/warriorsball.0.gif

Draymond would get exposed big time on the 2014 Timberwolves
At least Draymond showed up in game 7, where was curry?

[warriorfan]

At least Draymond showed up in game 7, where was curry?

Perhaps the most critical segment of this series came at the end of the third quarter of Game 4, Cleveland cutting the Warriors lead to three. The Q was rocking. The Finals hung in the balance.

Curry calmly called for the ball, shook a defender and drained a three, pushing Golden State to a six-point lead. In a reversal of roles, a gassed LeBron tried to answer with a three of his own at the buzzer, only to miss badly. When James went to the bench to rest at the start of the fourth quarter, the Warriors seized control of the game and the Finals.

Curry finished with 22 that night. He then dropped 37, including 17 in the fourth quarter, in Game 5. On Tuesday, he dropped a couple of massive threes to help stem a fourth-quarter Cleveland surge, then when double-teamed, hit a wide-open Klay Thompson for another.


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[SIZE="3"][I]Not only did Curry average an MVP-like 26 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists and 2 steals in 43 minutes per game, but as Kerr told his point guard, sometimes a point guard has to put his own game now in favor of managing the game for his teammates.

That is what Curry relayed when he said in the postgame press conference, "The Finals are not that different from normal NBA games. It's just the spotlight is different, and soar are the expectations. When you have an average game, you find out in the Finals that people were expecting more. But really, that stuff doesn't matter. It's all about winning. That's what I've learned. I just need to impact games, be myself every other night, do other things to help my team win and be OK with that. Manage the game from a point-guard standpoint, find a way to win and that's what we did

[masonanddixon]

lol yeah who's better between a superstar and a role player/garbage player?

I know you're invested in minimising all of Lebron's supporting cast but this question is a joke.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/4bYYPLGiZavZr6odQMT2_61HGAc=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3783750/warriorsball.0.gif

Most 4th Quarter Points during the Finals

1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
1993 Michael Jordan 10.3

2015 Steph Curry had the most clutch performance in NBA history. The only player to score more 4th Quarter Finals points than Steph Curry was Shaquille Oneal, and he didn't even score one point more than Curry while Curry scored 14% more efficiently than Shaquille


In the 2016 Finals he was not able to play as well as he did in 2015

What happened in 2016 that didn't happen in 2015? The major MCL injury


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/m_8DziMFB8s/0.jpg



The time table for return of an MCL sprain is 2 to 4 weeks.

(Keep in mind that healing timetable is for every day activity, nothing more strenuous than walking up one flight of stairs, NOT playing professional basketball)

Stephen Curry returned from the injury after only 2 weeks because the Warriors were struggling against Portland without him.

Stephen Curry re-aggravated his knee injury by coming back too early and then playing 40+ minutes of playoff basketball plus overtime in his record setting performance against Portland.


Therefore we can conclude that Curry's MCL injury was the differentiating factor which lowered Curry's production in the 2016 Finals
I knew you were going to post this.

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