3 rings, or Holding half the Records in NBA History...

[Big164]

Which would you honestly rather have?

Top 5 PER seasons of all time:

1. Wilt Chamberlain 31.82
2. Wilt Chamberlain 31.74
3. Michael Jordan 31.71
4. Lebron James 31.67
5. Wilt Chamberlain 31.63

Top 5 Highest scoring seasons all time:

1. Wilt Chamberlain 50.4 ppg
2. Wilt Chamberlain 44.8 ppg
3. Wilt Chamberlain 38.4 ppg
4. Wilt Chamberlain 37.6 ppg
5. Michael Jordan 37.1 ppg

Most time leading the NBA: aka the MJ & Wilt show
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/most_times_leading.html

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/lakers-vs-heat-winning-streaks.jpg

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--507pR9yf--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_center,h_450,q_80,w_800/17f983o3m9fwpjpg.jpg
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There are at least EIGHTY guys with 3 or more rings, A list that grows by a dozen more every decade. What do you guys think?

[Nilocon165]

There are at least EIGHTY guys with 3 or more rings, A list that grows by a dozen more every decade. What do you guys think?
I think that Lebron James is still better than Wilt all time.

[SouBeachTalents]

I think it doesn't help Wilt's case his ppg dropped off from the regular season to the postseason every season of his career

[TheWinningFam]

I'll take 3 rings and top 2 goat :D

[Big164]

I think that Lebron James is still better than Wilt all time.

Why?

[Lebron23]

Lebron James

Wilt's numbers in the playoffs, and finals aren't even top 20 in scoring.

[Nilocon165]

Why?
3 Rings, 3 FMVP's, 4 MVP's > 2 Rings, 1 FMVP, 4 MVP's

[Big164]

3 Rings, 3 FMVP's, 4 MVP's > 2 Rings, 1 FMVP, 4 MVP's
If thats your criteria then

Shaq > Lebron,
Magic > Lebron,
Duncan > Lebron

They all have more rings, on a better percentage and just as many fmvps.

Here's Shaq confessing who the real King is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YjzdNmO1Wg

[TomCat]

2 rings and half the record.

Obviously that is higher.

[Dray n Klay]

You can't be top 10 all-time with a 2/6 record :no:


Sorry OP

[TomCat]

Lebron James

Wilt's numbers in the playoffs, and finals aren't even top 20 in scoring.

How can you trust a virgin's opinion. This guy hasn't even gone through life and he has an opinion of players who he never saw playing?

This guy probably didn't even have pubs when kobe won 4th and 5th.

[Big164]

Lebron James

Wilt's numbers in the playoffs, and finals aren't even top 20 in scoring.
He's #1 in rebounding in the Finals. Always led both teams in that stat. The only numbers that went down were his points because his coaches asked him to hold back ladder part of his career. But even still..

Most 45+ games in the playoffs

1. Michael Jordan 23
2. Wilt Chamberlain 8
3. Lebron James 7
4. Allen Iverson 7

chamberlain played 30 less playoff games than Lebron...still beat him

[Poetry]

There are at least EIGHTY guys with 3 or more rings, A list that grows by a dozen more every decade. What do you guys think?

LeBron fans don't realize that the same weird metrics that have helped LeBron in recent years have also helped Wilt move up the rankings too.

For example, ESPN's Kevin Pelton invented a new metric called "Championships Added." He used it to rank his top 40. With this metric, LeBron and Wilt are both in the top 3. But this same metric puts K. Malone at #10 and Hakeem at #19.

[K Xerxes]

I really wonder what the cause of this recent anti-Wilt crusade is. It's kind of a random time. He's been dead for almost 20 years now.

[Big164]

can you adjust those accolades for pace, OP
They are! PER adjusts for minutes, pace AND league. Thats why Oscar and Elgin are absent from the top 50 even though they put up crazy numbers.

Wilt after all the adjustments still has the #1 and #2 greatest seasons ever.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_season.html

[Poetry]

I really wonder what the cause of this recent anti-Wilt crusade is. It's kind of a random time. He's been dead for almost 20 years now.

I think it's been happening since Kareem retired. Before that Wilt and Russell were almost neck in neck all-time.

[Big164]

I really wonder what the cause of this recent anti-Wilt crusade is. It's kind of a random time. He's been dead for almost 20 years now.

Wilt has always been the biggest threat to whoever#1 GOAT was. His feats are so flatout impressive they trump most peoples rings!!

[Dray n Klay]

Wilt has always been the biggest threat to whoever#1 GOAT was. His feats are so flatout impressive they trump most peoples rings!!


2/6 was impressive

[inclinerator]

inflated stats, short white men

[Mr Feeny]

What's interesting is how the Wilt stans mentions specific seasons' PER but doesn't mention their overall career PERs in which Lebron kill Wilt ofcourse and is only 2nd to Jordan.



He mentioned regular season scoring but not playoff and finals scoring - when it really matters. Lebron kills Wilt in both playoff and finals scoring.


The records that DO matter - vorp, Winshares, playoff all time top scorer - Lebron either owns or will own by next June.


There's a reason that Lebron is a top 3 goat while Wilt is a tier or two below. Don't insult lebron by mentioning an 18 ppg finals scorer in the same sentence.

[Real14]

I go with Wilt.

[theaussieguy]

I made a thread over a year ago about how this forum is done discussing wilt. He was a big man that had a lot of physical talent that played in an era that just couldn't compete. Despite all this he is a career loser and a bum now lets never talk of this guy again.

[Mr Feeny]

I made a thread over a year ago about how this forum is done discussing wilt. He was a big man that had a lot of physical talent that played in an era that just couldn't compete. Despite all this he is a career loser and a bum now lets never talk of this guy again.

:lol :applause: :applause:

[Dray n Klay]

I made a thread over a year ago about how this forum is done discussing wilt. He was a big man that had a lot of physical talent that played in an era that just couldn't compete. Despite all this he is a career loser and a bum now lets never talk of this guy again.

What was his estimated vertical?

[Duncan21formvp]

He's #1 in rebounding in the Finals. Always led both teams in that stat. The only numbers that went down were his points because his coaches asked him to hold back ladder part of his career. But even still..

Most 45+ games in the playoffs

1. Michael Jordan 23
2. Wilt Chamberlain 8
3. Lebron James 7
4. Allen Iverson 7

chamberlain played 30 less playoff games than Lebron...still beat him
Wilt

[Big164]

inflated stats, short white men
inflated stats against skinny beige men who dont play defense and 6'5 guys with injured backs playing Center!




https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WGllSScyi_g/maxresdefault.jpg
^^^Actual 7 Footers with athleticism! Remember when the NBA had those?

[NBAGOAT]

I really wonder what the cause of this recent anti-Wilt crusade is. It's kind of a random time. He's been dead for almost 20 years now.

it's been building up from lazeruss' constant pots i'm guessing. Ofc there are some guys out there who always had Wilt really low(like at 10) and now they get better.

Anyway, OP I have Wilt at 3 and Lebron at 4 and in my mind it's close. Wilt's not a bad playoff performer like this board makes him out to be but i'm pretty comfortable saying lebron's a better playoff performer than him. It's really hard to take the ppg stats at face value. I've heard some old timers here say there were the same number of big scorers but that just doesn't seem true at least during Wilt's big years. During his 50ppg year, 7 guys had 29+ppg. Pretty sure that never happened even during the 80's. Bob Pettit is great ofc but do you really think he had one of the greatest scoring seasons ever for a pf that year? The PER records are nice but lebron hss 2 more seasons at 31.6 and 30.7. The difference between 30.7 and 31.8 which is Wilt's highest isn't that significant so their regular season primes may be closer than you think.

[Mr Feeny]

it's been building up from lazeruss' constant pots i'm guessing. Ofc there are some guys out there who always had Wilt really low(like at 10) and now they get better.

Anyway, OP I have Wilt at 3 and Lebron at 4 and in my mind it's close. Wilt's not a bad playoff performer like this board makes him out to be but i'm pretty comfortable saying lebron's a better playoff performer than him. It's really hard to take the ppg stats at face value. I've heard some old timers here say there were the same number of big scorers but that just doesn't seem true at least during Wilt's big years. During his 50ppg year, 7 guys had 29+ppg. Pretty sure that never happened even during the 80's. Bob Pettit is great ofc but do you really think he had one of the greatest scoring seasons ever for a pf that year? The PER records are nice but lebron hss 2 more seasons at 31.6 and 30.7. The difference between 30.7 and 31.8 which is Wilt's highest isn't that significant so their regular season primes may be closer than you think.

Lebron also has a higher career PER and higher career playoffs and finals per.
His scoring is better than Wilts in the playoffs and finals as well.

[Paul George 24]

Lebron also has a higher career PER and higher career playoffs and finals per.
His scoring is better than Wilts in the playoffs and finals as well.
THEY BOTH ARE LOSER

[Mr Feeny]

Wilt is.

Lebron is a top 3 goat with Jordan and jabbar though :no:

[aj1987]

THEY BOTH ARE LOSER
DUNCAN OVERRATE SYSTEM PLAYER

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt is.

Lebron is a top 3 goat with Jordan and jabbar though :no:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Love these post-Kyrie series' winning shots posts by Feeble...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12439637&postcount=29


I want y'al hating mother fos to come back in 3 days.

Talk smack now and enjoy this

Let's see if Curry turns things around and I GUARANTEE he does, upon which he surpasses Kobrick all time and knocks him to 13th.

All he has to do is surpass Kobe's career finals numbers of 25 ppg on 41%. He does that and he's gold.
Next year he'll go for the jugular and start aiming for a 3 peat and MJ finals numbers.

Mark my words branvestites and kobrick lovers. Curry will have both of you crying in tears the entire summer by the time he wraps this up in a week

Gotta love Feeble...

He will be in the Fence-Jumping Competition at the 2020 Olympics...

[Mr Feeny]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Love these post-Kyrie series' winning shots posts by Feeble...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12439637&postcount=29



Gotta love Feeble...

He will be in the Fence-Jumping Competition at the 2020 Olympics...

You're so shook that Lebron is atleast 10 spots ahead of your idol Kobe :roll:

URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12451301&postcount=29"]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12451301&postcount=29[/URL] I said that if he achieves the impossible and brings them back from 3-1 down. He's goat. He did just that. He's probably the GOAT.
Stay crying :banana:

[SexSymbol]

obviously 3 rings

[Mr Feeny]

obviously 3 rings

So you agree that Longley would rather have those rings than a bunch of records?

[SexSymbol]

So you agree that Longley would rather have those rings than a bunch of records?
yup

[LAZERUSS]

So you agree that Longley would rather have those rings than a bunch of records?

James Jones carrying LeChoke to 3 rings.

[SouBeachTalents]

yup

If you'd rather have Luc Longley's career instead of Wilt's over 1 ring you weren't even the teams 4th best player for, you're an idiot beyond comprehension

[Helix]

I don't know how anyone could pick Lebron James over Wilt Chamberlain. Wilt is the greatest/best big man to ever step onto a basketball court.

I laugh at how a bunch of posters think Lebron would have scored 40 points a game back in the sixties. Considering how much different things were then I highly doubt he'd be at the same level as Baylor, West, and Oscar. He's played in an era of dumbed down pu$$y ball and had everything catered to him. Things were a lot different back then.......a lot tougher.

[aj1987]

I don't know how anyone could pick Lebron James over Wilt Chamberlain. Wilt is the greatest/best big man to ever step onto a basketball court.

I laugh at how a bunch of posters think Lebron would have scored 40 points a game back in the sixties. Considering how much different things were then I highly doubt he'd be at the same level as Baylor, West, and Oscar. He's played in an era of dumbed down pu$$y ball and had everything catered to him. Things were a lot different back then.......a lot tougher.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Yeah, ok, old fart. Don't forget your dementia medication.

[Helix]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Yeah, ok, old fart. Don't forget your dementia medication.


Real classy there sonny boy. Real classy.

[SexSymbol]

If you'd rather have Luc Longley's career instead of Wilt's over 1 ring you weren't even the teams 4th best player for, you're an idiot beyond comprehension
the word you're looking for is a winner and a champion.
Aside from 100 point game and 50 ppg season no other Wilt record is interesting to people.

Records can and will be broken, no one will take away your rings.
And you play the game for the sole reason of winning the ring.

[LAZERUSS]

the word you're looking for is a winner and a champion.
Aside from 100 point game and 50 ppg season no other Wilt record is interesting to people.

Records can and will be broken, no one will take away your rings.
And you play the game for the sole reason of winning the ring.

50 years from now people will have long forgotten about Wilt's thousand+ NBA records, but they will still be chanting the name of Luc Longley, who carried MJ to three of his rings.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[SexSymbol]

50 years from now people will have long forgotten about Wilt's thousand+ NBA records, but they will still be chanting the name of Luc Longley, who carried MJ to three of his rings.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Well luc longley vs wilt is not the correct way of looking at things here, the question in op is 3 rings or half the records, implying that the guy with records has no rings.
In that case, any sane individual chooses winning, as stats have no value.

It doesn't matter how many records Wilt has, he has at best 3 that people care about, that in time will be just forgotten or broken if the league mentality changes drastically

[LAZERUSS]

Well luc longley vs wilt is not the correct way of looking at things here, the question in op is 3 rings or half the records, implying that the guy with records has no rings.
In that case, any sane individual chooses winning, as stats have no value.

It doesn't matter how many records Wilt has, he has at best 3 that people care about, that in time will be just forgotten or broken if the league mentality changes drastically

Have you ever taken a look at a Vegas betting book?

Literally, stats for everything possible...including weather, time of day, time of year, whom playing alongside whom, and whom against whom...no end to them.

Secondly, if stats have no value, then why does damn near every sport from pee-wee age to the pros, keep them?

Now, if basketball were a one-on-one sport, like boxing, or tennis...sure, we would know who the best player was.

For instance, did you know that in his highest scoring season, MJ's team went 40-42, and were swept in the first round? Obviously, he was a loser, right?

[Big164]

Rings are definitely important don't get me wrong, but breaking a chamberlain record, or just getting 81% of a Chamberlain record will immortalize you for for all eternity.

MJs 72 win Bulls
Lebron's 27. Game win streak
Kobe's 81 point game
Kareem's 31000th point

^^all of the above were chasing Wilt records, and all got more media coverage than the 2005 Spurs championship team.

[aj1987]

Rings are definitely important don't get me wrong, but breaking a chamberlain record, or just getting 81% of a Chamberlain record will immortalize you for for all eternity.

MJs 72 win Bulls
Lebron's 27. Game win streak
Kobe's 81 point game
Kareem's 31000th point

^^all of the above were chasing Wilt records, and all got more media coverage than the 2005 Spurs championship team.
That's cool and all, but literally everyone gives more importance to MJ taking the Bulls to 72 wins and a ring in '96, than what Wilt has accomplished in his entire career combined.

[SexSymbol]

That's cool and all, but literally everyone gives more importance to MJ taking the Bulls to 72 wins and a ring in '96, than what Wilt has accomplished in his entire career combined.
true

[Big164]

MJ taking the Bulls to 72 wins and a ring in '96,.
was all about breaking Wilt's 69 win championship season in 1972.
https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/lakers-vs-heat-winning-streaks.jpg


Dudes been retired over 40 years and still GOATing like he played last night!

[aj1987]

was all about breaking Wilt's 69 win championship season in 1972.
https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/lakers-vs-heat-winning-streaks.jpg


Dudes been retired over 40 years and still GOATing like he played last night!
And literally no one gives a flying **** about the '72 Lakers.

If they do, props to West and his 26/4/10 on 48%. :bowdown:

Carried the Lakers to 69 wins. :bowdown:

[Psileas]

That's cool and all, but literally everyone gives more importance to MJ taking the Bulls to 72 wins and a ring in '96, than what Wilt has accomplished in his entire career combined.


1. No. Not by a long shot. Especially if we are to take your whole quote literally, it would only take a really psychotic Jordan sheep or a really ignorant fan to reach to such absurd lengths.

2. Even if you were true, promotion based on marketing has no value among people who know how to judge and evaluate history. I don't care if Jordan's '96 season was more hyped than all the previous NBA history combined. I don't care that LeBron's last couple of Finals are more hyped than whole decades of NBA history combined. I don't care that Bieber is more hyped than dozens of classical composers combined. That's what marketing is good for. Taking advantage of the weak human memory and human unwillingness of learning things past their time and making it seem like only the present is what matters.

[LAZERUSS]

And literally no one gives a flying **** about the '72 Lakers.

If they do, props to West and his 26/4/10 on 48%. :bowdown:

Carried the Lakers to 69 wins. :bowdown:

No one gives a shit about MJ's '96 flop job in the Finals, either (shooting .415 and couldn't hit a shot to save his life in the last three games when Karl finally put the Glove on him.) That was over 20 years ago. He would be no better than Cousy in TODAY's NBA.

As for West...yep, "Mr. Clutch" carried LA in the '72 Finals alright. Where would LA have been without his .325 shooting, and getting badly outplayed by Walt Frazier?

Of course, Wilt was just along for the ride that season... finishing 3rd in the MVP balloting, and then by ALL accounts, outplaying the regular season MVP, a peak Kareem, in the WCF's...en route to dominating the Knicks and their five HOFers in the Finals... and winning the FMVP.

[GimmeThat]

whichever that actually kills people