White Man in California Shoots at Cops With Gun, Gets Shot With Beanbags and Arrested

[TheWinningFam]

White Man in California Shoots at Cops With Gun, Gets Shot With Beanbags and Arrested

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BY ELIZABETH KING


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1 HOUR AGO
less-lethal" bean bags and arrested at the scene of the stand-off in a Brea motel, according toABC 7 Eyewitness News. The fact that the man who fired at police was not killed and was taken away into police custody has started another of many conversations about the preferential treatment white people receive from police.

The suspect was also tackled by a SWAT team,ABC 7 reported Monday, and was taken to the hospital to be treated for minor injuries.

For many, the arrest in Brea calls attention to the fact that it is possible for police officers to arrest people without seriously injuring or even killing them, a topic that is raised repeatedly in discussions of police brutality against people of color.

The Brea suspect certainly isn't the first white person to fire a weapon and not be fatally shot by police in pursuit of an arrest. Dylann Roof, the white shooter who allegedly shot and killed nine black people last year in Charleston, South Carolina was not shot by police when they arrested him, and copsbought Roof a meal from Burger King after he complained about being hungry after his arrest.

In 2014, Joseph Houseman, a white open-carry advocate in Michigan pointed a rifle at cops and insulted the officers who were asking him to drop his weapon, according to the Huffington Post. Houseman was shown on video with his gun, also yelling about starting a revolution. Houseman was not arrested, his rifle was confiscated, and he got the gun back a month later.
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All of these arrests of white men who were armed, confessed to shootings, and shot at police stand in stark contrast to the recent fatal police shootings of Philando Castile in Minnesota and Alton Sterling in Louisiana. Footage of the shootings of both men showed that they were not behaving in a threatening manner at the times they were shot by police.Tamir Rice was only 12 years old and holding a toy gun when he was fatally shot by police in Ohio, an open-carry state. There's also the case of Korryn Gaines, a black woman in Baltimore who was shot and killed after an armed stand-off with police where she did not fire her weapon

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Article:http://www.complex.com/life/2016/08/white-man-california-shoots-at-cops-gets-shot-beanbags-arrested

[Facepalm]

Should have shot him real bullets tbh

[Akrazotile]

Whites stay winning.

[longtime lurker]

Watch the usual ISH tea party avoid this thread like the plague. Amazing how the cops didn't fear for their lives in this case.

[warriorfan]

Why could they not have done that in Milwaukee? Black lives matter too.

[Hawker]

One Incident Dictates All Incidents Are The Same Circumstances

[TheWinningFam]

Still waiting on the other suspected white supremacist comments on the topic
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One Incident Dictates All Incidents Are The Same Circumstances
Noone's saying that, the issue is over the past couple months we've had unarmed black people getting shot/killed while white criminals shooting at officers with guns and getting shot back with beanbags. Using those old supremacist deny tatics don't work here http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/5I5s8.png

[UK2K]

Cause it was a standoff. He wasn't chasing him down an alley and then suddenly engaged.

Kinda the same, but not really...

Should have killed him.

[97 bulls]

Typical. Swat could tackle this man but Korryn Gaines had to be killed by swat. Who were helping to serve a damn traffic warrant.

[97 bulls]

One Incident Dictates All Incidents Are The Same Circumstances
Again. Typical. No matter how many times this happens, its considered an anomaly.

[TheWinningFam]

Cause it was a standoff. He wasn't chasing him down an alley and then suddenly engaged.

Kinda the same, but not really...

Should have killed him.
http://urbanintellectuals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/man+with+gun1.jpg


http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Miami-Charles-Kinsey-Shooting.jpg
Lets play a game, Which one got with real bullets and which one got shot with rubber bullets? both happened in the same state.

[SpecialQue]

OP is a worthless piece of shit.

[warriorfan]

OP is a worthless piece of shit.
You probably think Black Lives Matter is a big joke too, huh? Sad.

[qrich]

Lets play a game, Which one got with real bullets and which one got shot with rubber bullets? both happened in the same state.

Can we play another one?

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Damn, they black huh.

[SpecialQue]

You probably think Black Lives Matter is a big joke too, huh? Sad.

No, I think OP is a joke.

[NumberSix]

Why could they not have done that in Milwaukee? Black lives matter too.
I'm amazed how dumb people on this site can consistently be.


This was a standoff. In a situation like a standoff, the police have time to coordinate and bring in the proper tools for a multitude of situations. Police don't just walk around with beanbag cannons. When something happens in the spur of the moment like in Milwaukee, the cop doesn't happen to have a beanbag cannon handy that he can pull out of his back like a bugs bunny cartoon. He has a gun. That's his only option.

Smarten up people.

[UK2K]

http://urbanintellectuals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/man+with+gun1.jpg


http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Miami-Charles-Kinsey-Shooting.jpg
Lets play a game, Which one got with real bullets and which one got shot with rubber bullets? both happened in the same state.
And which case will the officer be charged in?

The officer who shot the therapist in Florida wasn't even aiming for him, he's just garb with a pistol. He'll still be charged.

[bluechox2]

white man didnt look threatening enough, even with a gun...

[TheWinningFam]

And which case will the officer be charged in?

The officer who shot the therapist in Florida wasn't even aiming for him, he's just garb with a pistol. He'll still be charged.
Whenever a unarmed black person is shot or killed it's either justified thru the victim's ''record'' or the cop comming up with scenario of how he felt in his mind

The fbi released a crime report in stating that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement, so now we have these suspected race soldiers masquerading as police officers.
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

Just because the cops are charged of a crime does not mean he will be convicted, the court system rarely convicts these race soldiers due to not wanting to have a bad rep with the police
https://www.thenation.com/article/why-its-impossible-indict-cop/

[warriorfan]

A slap on the officer's wrist doesn't bring back the man's life

[TheWinningFam]

I'm amazed how dumb people on this site can consistently be.


This was a standoff. In a situation like a standoff, the police have time to coordinate and bring in the proper tools for a multitude of situations. Police don't just walk around with beanbag cannons. When something happens in the spur of the moment like in Milwaukee, the cop doesn't happen to have a beanbag cannon handy that he can pull out of his back like a bugs bunny cartoon. He has a gun. That's his only option.

Smarten up people.
The police had no problem rushing and killing korryn gaines, a black woman with a young child in her possesion
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/08/02/korryn-gaines-is-the-ninth-black-woman-shot-and-killed-by-police-this-year/?utm_term=.649af7049167

The same]standoff type situation, except she wasn't aiming at anyone from my knowledge, why did they rush in and kill her but the old man shooting at police got rubber bullets instead?

[qrich]

The police had no problem rushing and killing korryn gaines, a black woman with a young child in her possesion
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/08/02/korryn-gaines-is-the-ninth-black-woman-shot-and-killed-by-police-this-year/?utm_term=.649af7049167

The same]standoff type situation, except she wasn't aiming at anyone from my knowledge, why did they rush in and kill her but the old man shooting at police got rubber bullets instead?

A young child she didn't care for.

Those kids are better off without a mother that spews hate and puts them into dangerous positions.

[warriorfan]

A young child she didn't care for.

Those kids are better off without a mother that spews hate and puts them into dangerous positions.
Mods

[TheWinningFam]

A young child she didn't care for.
Can you provide me with proof that she was an unfit mother other than what the media has told you?


Those kids are better off without a mother that spews hate and puts them into dangerous positions.
Who put you in charge to decide whether someone should live or die?

[qrich]

Mods

Aww, facts hurt your feelings?

[TheWinningFam]

Aww, facts hurt your feelings?
Again mistaking personal opinion for facts, typical suspected white supremacist rhetoric.:lol :oldlol: .

[qrich]

Can you provide me with proof that she was an unfit mother other than what the media has told you?


Who put you in charge to decide whether someone should live or die?

In what world does teaching your kids to hate and asking your child to shoot cops considered to be fit?

Who said anything about the latter tho? Cute attempt.

[qrich]

Again mistaking personal opinion for facts, typical suspected white supremacist rhetoric.:lol :oldlol: .

So a parent teaching their child to hate and asking for help to kill isnt a bad parent? Weird.

That's actually the racist rhetoric there, so nice try bud.

[TheWinningFam]

In what world does teaching your kids to hate and asking your child to shoot cops considered to be fit?

Who said anything about the latter tho? Cute attempt.
You Apparently


Those kids are better off without a mother that spews hate and puts them into dangerous positions.
This statement is implying that it was a good thing that this child's mother was murdered by suspected race soldiers because the kid would be ''better off''

[NumberSix]

The police had no problem rushing and killing korryn gaines, a black woman with a young child in her possesion
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/08/02/korryn-gaines-is-the-ninth-black-woman-shot-and-killed-by-police-this-year/?utm_term=.649af7049167

The same]standoff type situation, except she wasn't aiming at anyone from my knowledge, why did they rush in and kill her but the old man shooting at police got rubber bullets instead?
Rush in and killer her? Didn't that standoff last like 8 hours?

[TheWinningFam]

So a parent teaching their child to hate and asking for help to kill isnt a bad parent? Weird.

That's actually the racist rhetoric there, so nice try bud.
Where can you find for me specifically where she was teaching her child to hate?, for all we know she could have been a great mother, also it's apparent that she was suffering from some mental illness, this could also revert back to the issue of police abusing the mentally challenged.

[qrich]

You Apparently

This statement is implying that it was a good thing that this child's mother was murdered by suspected race soldiers because the kid would be ''better off''

By saying the kids are better off = that how?

Race soldiers. So cute tho

[TheWinningFam]

Rush in and killer her? Didn't that standoff last like 8 hours?
Exactly, surely they could have acquired flashbangs or stunguns in 8 HOURS to apphrend her, but naw they had to kill her. meanwhile the white man was shooting at cops for a good 45 mins and was apprehended.

[poido123]

Watch the usual ISH tea party avoid this thread like the plague. Amazing how the cops didn't fear for their lives in this case.



We're here you sissy little b.tch



Let's point to one instance of thousands of different arrests performed by many different scenarios and paint the whole picture as a 'big black vendetta'


The facts don't lie. More whites are killed by cops than blacks.


Keep beating that BLM propaganda drum.

[NumberSix]

Exactly, surely they could have acquired flashbangs or stunguns in 8 HOURS to apphrend her, but naw they had to kill her. meanwhile the white man was shooting at cops for a good 45 mins and was apprehended.
Meh. I trust their judgment. No reason to suspect that they didn't exactly what each situation called for.

[TheWinningFam]

By saying the kids are better off = that how?

Race soldiers. So cute tho

Indeed, its cute how suspected white supremacist always get upset when you point out these race soldiers commiting these atrocities,

We know for a fact that there's race soldiers masquerading as police in cities across america because the FBI released a crime report in 2006 stating white supremacy groups have infilitrated law enforcement.
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

So either we have a large anomaly, or a system of white supremacy indoctrinated in law enforcment agencies across the country.

[UK2K]

A slap on the officer's wrist doesn't bring back the man's life
Yet, we allow drunk drivers off all the time.

[TheWinningFam]

We're here you sissy little b.tch



Let's point to one instance of thousands of different arrests performed by many different scenarios and paint the whole picture as a 'big black vendetta'There has been multiple cases of this happening as stated in the OP, contrarily there has been multiple cases of unarmed blacks being excuted by suspected race soldiers just this year alone.



The facts don't lie. More whites are killed by cops than blacks.This is simply due to whites being a higher population, also in a system of white supremacy there will always be a white sacrifice to be able to point to, but the majority of the killings will be to the ones targeted, just so happens that majority of unarmed people just so happen to be black, so either we have a huge anomaly or we have a system of white supremacy that was spotted by the fbi in 2006, but was ignored.



Keep beating that BLM propaganda drum.
In your opinion do black lives matter?

[UK2K]

Indeed, its cute how suspected white supremacist always get upset when you point out these race soldiers commiting these atrocities,

We know for a fact that there's race soldiers masquerading as police in cities across america because the FBI released a crime report in 2006 stating white supremacy groups have infilitrated law enforcement.
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

So either we have a large anomaly, or a system of white supremacy indoctrinated in law enforcment agencies across the country.
Large anomaly? Does it say how many there are? I see a redacted page that doesn't really specify the scope.

That being said, every group has infiltrated every group. There are plenty of known gang members in the military. There's probably a lot of white supremacists too. Considering a very small number of people identify as such, I don't really think theres an army of klansmen out hunting blacks every night.

[warriorfan]

By saying the kids are better off = that how?

Race soldiers. So cute tho
Caring about lives does not make someone a "race soldier".

[TheWinningFam]

Large anomaly? Does it say how many there are? I see a redacted page that doesn't really specify the scope.
It's tough to pinpoint this thing because as you said, not all of them are full out white supremacist but talk in code, think of it like the current crisis with the syrian refugees, not all of them are terroist but some are, and with the influx of immigration there has been an increased amount of terroirist attacks inflicted on european countries. It's literally the same thing.


That being said, every group has infiltrated every group. There are plenty of known gang members in the military. There's probably a lot of white supremacists too. Considering a very small number of people identify as such, I don't really think theres an army of klansmen out hunting blacks every night.Here's the thing, these attacks on unarmed blacks are cordinated attacks, just like the attacks extremist muslims have been doing in Europe, white supremacist know how to stay in code and keep from being uncovered.

[poido123]

There has been multiple cases of this happening as stated in the OP, contrarily there has been multiple cases of unarmed blacks being excuted by suspected race soldiers just this year alone.


This is simply due to whites being a higher population, also in a system of white supremacy there will always be a white sacrifice to be able to point to, but the majority of the killings will be to the ones targeted, just so happens that majority of unarmed people just so happen to be black, so either we have a huge anomaly or we have a system of white supremacy that was spotted by the fbi in 2006, but was ignored.



In your opinion do black lives matter?




Black lives matter. All lives matter.


This is just media BS. None of this should be given any airtime, it's just crap.

[warriorfan]

Black lives matter. All lives matter.


This is just media BS. None of this should be given any airtime, it's just crap.

All lives matter, that is why they should of used the non-lethal ammunition in Milwaukee

[97 bulls]

Meh. I trust their judgment. No reason to suspect that they didn't exactly what each situation called for.
That's Bullshit Six. This is exactly what we're complaining about. The inconsistency. And if you white people want us to treat each and every case as a stand alone, then damn it, do it for blacks. Maybe you don't give a shit about or lives but we do. Especially when they're being snuffed out by the people that are supposed to be protecting us.

[Hawker]

That's Bullshit Six. This is exactly what we're complaining about. The inconsistency. And if you white people want us to treat each and every case as a stand alone, then damn it, do it for blacks. Maybe you don't give a shit about or lives but we do. Especially when they're being snuffed out by the people that are supposed to be protecting us.

I don't think anyone was on the cops side when the black dude laying on the ground got shot. Chill.

[longtime lurker]

Black lives matter. All lives matter.


This is just media BS. None of this should be given any airtime, it's just crap.

Saying Black Lives Matter does not invalidate that All Lives Matter.

[Akrazotile]

Saying Black Lives Matter does not invalidate that All Lives Matter.


ALL lives matter...

[poido123]

Saying Black Lives Matter does not invalidate that All Lives Matter.



Why is one exclusive of the other?

[NumberSix]

Saying Black Lives Matter does not invalidate that All Lives Matter.
"Black lives matter" implies that we don't already think they matter. There's no epidemic of people thinking that black lives don't matter.

[TheWinningFam]

Why is one exclusive of the other?
Nobody is saying ones exclusive its just pointing to a problem happening in the world.

If a house is on fire is stating that it matters be litting everyone else's house?

Here's some graphics for you and others that dont understand this to digest.

http://www.alan.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/all-lives-matter-cartoon.png

http://pre13.deviantart.net/a624/th/pre/i/2015/205/6/c/political_cartoon__all_lives_matter_by_cera_tay-d92o5im.jpg

[longtime lurker]

Why is one exclusive of the other?

Because all lives matter is basically used to away the black experience from police brutality. It's pretty much saying your specific concern doesn't matter, I don't see how you don't get that. There is no all lives matter groups marching for anyone that gets killed whether they're white or black. It's only used to try and shut up black people that speak up against police brutality. It's complete and utter bullshit.

[longtime lurker]

"Black lives matter" implies that we don't already think they matter. There's no epidemic of people thinking that black lives don't matter.

When people try to dig up a person's past to justify a black person getting killed then yes they are saying black lives don't matter. You have posters in here saying a young child is better off without his mother, only a fvcking sociopath would write some garbage like that. Have you ever watched Fox News, they constantly engage in victim blaming so **** off with your bull shit.

[dude77]

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[NumberSix]

When people try to dig up a person's past to justify a black person getting killed then yes they are saying black lives don't matter. You have posters in here saying a young child is better off without his mother, only a fvcking sociopath would write some garbage like that. Have you ever watched Fox News, they constantly engage in victim blaming so **** off with your bull shit.
The same reason why some people point to an unrelated situation where a person doesn't get killed in similar situations. People have bad logic.

I agree with you. A person's past record is usually irrelevant. The situation should be weighed on its own merit. If the guy stole a car a year earlier, that has nothing to do with the shooting being justified or not.

[97 bulls]

I don't think anyone was on the cops side when the black dude laying on the ground got shot. Chill.
Nah F a chill. I'm sick of this stuff happening and then it gets trivialized. For as long as I've been on here my whole argument has been CONSISTENCY!!!!!! This isn't consistent

[NumberSix]

Nah F a chill. I'm sick of this stuff happening and then it gets trivialized. For as long as I've been on here my whole argument has been CONSISTENCY!!!!!! This isn't consistent
Lol, no it hast. You're whole argument has been cherry picking and confirmation bias. You can find examples of Japanese-American cops shooting black trannies with beanbags if that's what you're selectively looking for.

[poido123]

When people try to dig up a person's past to justify a black person getting killed then yes they are saying black lives don't matter. You have posters in here saying a young child is better off without his mother, only a fvcking sociopath would write some garbage like that. Have you ever watched Fox News, they constantly engage in victim blaming so **** off with your bull shit.


It's a bit like how democrats ignore trump supporters when they bring up the facts and they continue to ignore the truth. Only that the BLM cause is nothin more than a hijacked racist group basing their opinions on paranoia and not facts.

[bluechox2]

black people were just too stupid when choosing black lives matter as their "motto", they would have been taken more seriously if they chose all lives matter as their slogan to show a sign of unity amongst blacks and the outliers, but then they also become even more arrogant as to dismiss anything beyond black lives matter as racist, more like reverse racism

[97 bulls]

Lol, no it hast. You're whole argument has been cherry picking and confirmation bias. You can find examples of Japanese-American cops shooting black trannies with beanbags if that's what you're selectively looking for.
Cherry-picking? How can I be cherry-picking? I have shown many cases supporting my argument. And i even told you to show me a situation where police shot a white guy without discernment. Like the case I've shown you. And you can't do it. I don't see how that's cherry picking. It's the truth. How many of these instances do you have to see before you admit that there is a problem here? How many have to happen in reverse before you admit that police dont treat blacks and whites the same? And what's worse, is that these are videos. Who know how many more of these situations happen that arent recorded. Cuz the cops sure as hell ain't gonna do the right thing and report it.

Again it's the inconsistency here.


And then, these people who try to say that we should treat every situation as seperate, won't afford the same to blacks. We all have to take an account for what someone else has done. The victim is put on trial. And thats what pisses me the **** off. Now, innocent people are dying due to the same rhetoric.

[Overdrive]

Those kids are better off without a mother that spews hate and puts them into dangerous positions.

If a cop in the very same situation has that line of thinking, he might shoot.

[NumberSix]

Cherry-picking? How can I be cherry-picking? I have shown many cases supporting my argument.
Well, I guess it can't be cherry picking if there are "many cases" you've picked out.


And i even told you to show me a situation where police shot a white guy without discernment. Like the case I've shown you. And you can't do it. I don't see how that's cherry picking. It's the truth. How many of these instances do you have to see before you admit that there is a problem here?
You've never shown a single case of an unjustified killing of a black person. You can't do it.

[97 bulls]

black people were just too stupid when choosing black lives matter as their "motto", they would have been taken more seriously if they chose all lives matter as their slogan to show a sign of unity amongst blacks and the outliers, but then they also become even more arrogant as to dismiss anything beyond black lives matter as racist, more like reverse racism
What does it matter? How many times has the phrase been explained to you? Obviously all lives matter. That's why the police can bean bag a white guy in an effort to save his life EVEN THOUGH HE'S TRYING TO TAKE THEIRS. All where saying is apply us the same discretion

[97 bulls]

Well, I guess it can't be cherry picking if there are "many cases" you've picked out.


You've never shown a single case of an unjustified killing of a black person. You can't do it.
No no no. I said INNOCENT. The officer probably felt justified at the time. But had they used more discernment, Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, John Crawford III, people that werent committing a crime, would and should still be alive.


And again, if these situations are anomalies, WHY DONT THEY HAPPEN TO WHITE MEN?????? Only people of color.

[NumberSix]

No no no. I said INNOCENT. The officer probably felt justified at the time. But had they used more discernment, Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, John Crawford III, people that werent committing a crime, would and should still be alive.


And again, if these situations are anomalies, WHY DONT THEY HAPPEN TO WHITE MEN?????? Only people of color.
Lol. You just named 2 cases of blacks with toy guns getting killed by police. There were a total 5 blacks with toy guns killed by police that year. 22 whites with toy guns were killed by police the same year.


#DoesntHappenToWhites

[97 bulls]

Lol. You just named 2 cases of blacks with toy guns getting killed by police. There were a total 5 blacks with toy guns killed by police that year. 22 whites with toy guns were killed by police the same year.


#DoesntHappenToWhites
I named those two because they weren't doing anything wrong. They weren't using the toy guns to commit a crime. What were the circumstances in which the white were killed while having a toy gun?

#youreintellecuallydishonest

[sd3035]

#6 shuttin this thread down :lol

[I know you are]

Cause it was a standoff. He wasn't chasing him down an alley and then suddenly engaged.

Kinda the same, but not really...

Should have killed him.
Cops kill black man for having gun... defend cops.

Cops take white man in alive for actually firing the gun... defend cops.

I'm seeing a pattern.

[StephHamann]

http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_author_pic/FullSizeRender_leepeg.jpg

relevant photo

[I know you are]

Yet, we allow drunk drivers off all the time.
What are you talking about. The only drunk driver I'm aware of who got off for killing somebody is Caitlin Jenner. Everybody else gets manslaughter charges and are sent to jail.

[UK2K]

Cops kill black man for having gun... defend cops.

Cops take white man in alive for actually firing the gun... defend cops.

I'm seeing a pattern.

Cops shoot unarmed black therapist.... calls for arrest.

Cops shoot black couple in their car.... calls for arrest IF there was no gun.

Cops tase kid into a coma... calls for cop to be charged with a sentence twice as long as he actually received.

Cops shoots black man in SC... I call for murder charges.

Did you forget ^ those? I'm seeing a pattern too. It's called 'only remembering what you want to remember'.

I don't give two shits what you see... when officers are in the wrong, I say it. When they are in the right, I say it. As far as I know, I'm probably the only person on this board who has correctly called the results of all these videos. People like you believe cops are in the wrong no matter what, because you don't know what you're talking about.

[UK2K]

What are you talking about. The only drunk driver I'm aware of who got off for killing somebody is Caitlin Jenner. Everybody else gets manslaughter charges and are sent to jail.

Let me slow it down for you....


A slap on the officer's wrist doesn't bring back the man's life


Yet, we allow drunk drivers off all the time.


What are you talking about.

Welcome to the real world, guy:


http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/woman-gets-probation-for-dui-crash-that-injured-herself-and/article_7f4b2629-ecd3-5e49-8cb5-c53ffec1fdb6.html

A woman who admitted she was driving drunk when she crashed her vehicle into a tree and injured herself and two grandchildren will spend five years on federal probation.


https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2016/jul/28/arcata-man-sentenced-felony-probation-2013-gross-v/

Arcata Man Gets Felony Probation for 2013 DUI Incident Which Resulted in Girlfriend's Death


http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/crime/2016/02/19/man-who-pleaded-guilty-fatal-crash-gets-probation/80630098/

A Springfield man who pleaded guilty in October to involuntary manslaughter for his role in a fatal crash will not go to prison.



http://www.sunherald.com/news/local/crime/article93830962.html

She was 23 and pregnant when she pleaded guilty in 2009 to her role in Harms’ death. She told Dodson she had consumed several drinks at a Biloxi casino before the crash, according to court testimony.

Dodson sentenced Carmack to 10 years in prison. Carmack served about half that time, allowable under state law for her crime.


It happens every day.... people kill people with dumb decisions all the time. Right there are 3 DUIs that resulted in deaths, and zero jail time. You should get out more.

And then... driving drunk while pregnant and killing someone, but only serving five years. Would you say that's justified or nah?

Or is it a slap on the wrist?

You're so blinded with hatred it doesn't allow you to see reality. I feel for you.

[qrich]

No no no. I said INNOCENT. The officer probably felt justified at the time. But had they used more discernment, Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, John Crawford III, people that werent committing a crime, would and should still be alive.


And again, if these situations are anomalies, WHY DONT THEY HAPPEN TO WHITE MEN?????? Only people of color.

Deven Guillford
Kelly Thomas
Dylan Noble
Feras Morad (Middle Eastern)
Antonio Zambrano-Montes (Latino)

And also, please explain to me what discernment you would use as an officer of the law when you show up to a scene and immediately see a firearm pointed at you.

[qrich]

Indeed, its cute how suspected white supremacist always get upset when you point out these race soldiers commiting these atrocities,

We know for a fact that there's race soldiers masquerading as police in cities across america because the FBI released a crime report in 2006 stating white supremacy groups have infilitrated law enforcement.
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

So either we have a large anomaly, or a system of white supremacy indoctrinated in law enforcment agencies across the country.

Yes, it was also race soldiers that stomped Kelly Thomas face in. And yes, you keep going with .pdf that has no source.


Caring about lives does not make someone a "race soldier".

Umm...?


Nobody is saying ones exclusive its just pointing to a problem happening in the world.

If a house is on fire is stating that it matters be litting everyone else's house?

Here's some graphics for you and others that dont understand this to digest.

http://www.alan.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/all-lives-matter-cartoon.png

http://pre13.deviantart.net/a624/th/pre/i/2015/205/6/c/political_cartoon__all_lives_matter_by_cera_tay-d92o5im.jpg

See, the first picture doesn't make sense because that is going under the assumption that only one race deals with police brutality.

In reality, this is how it goes:

You feel a pain in your elbow, so you go to the doctors. While you are there, the doctor tells you that you also have broken your wrist and have a knee sprain. You tell him to **** off and only take care of your elbow.

That's BLM Logic.

[NumberSix]

Yes, it was also race soldiers that stomped Kelly Thomas face in. And yes, you keep going with .pdf that has no source.



Umm...?



See, the first picture doesn't make sense because that is going under the assumption that only one race deals with police brutality.

In reality, this is how it goes:

You feel a pain in your elbow, so you go to the doctors. While you are there, the doctor tells you that you also have broken your wrist and have a knee sprain. You tell him to **** off and only take care of your elbow.

That's BLM Logic.
Black people have to admit to themselves at some point that the reason why cops are in their neighborhoods in the scale that they are is because that's where the crime is.

[97 bulls]

Deven Guillford
Kelly Thomas
Dylan Noble
Feras Morad (Middle Eastern)
Antonio Zambrano-Montes (Latino)

And also, please explain to me what discernment you would use as an officer of the law when you show up to a scene and immediately see a firearm pointed at you.
Dude. We've been through this before.

There is no video of Kelley Thomas. But the officers said he was resisting.

Noble repeatedly was allowed to reach into his person before he was shot

Guilford actually fought with the officer.

The others are people of color.

Contrast these instances with Rice, who was just playing in the park. Crawdord was just shopping in a Walmart on the phone. And Castille had a license to carry a firearm. These aren't the same situations.

As far as your question, please. Try to understand. All we want is consistencey. You ask what are the police to do if a gun is aimed at them, my answer is do the same thing they often do with white men. Mind you, I'm not saying that all police are bad or that whites can't be brutalized by the police. My point Is that they don't use the same restraint. Which is why they can use beanbag to subdue a white man, but live ammo for a black woman.

[97 bulls]

Black people have to admit to themselves at some point that the reason why cops are in their neighborhoods in the scale that they are is because that's where the crime is.
Oh how hypocritical. So why do you expect blacks to treat every instance of unnecessary police shootings on their own seperate merit, but feel all blacks should be held accountable for the actions of a few blacks. Are you so blind that you can't see the blatant double standard????

[97 bulls]

Another thing Six. As I've plain showed you before, crimes are higher in black communities because police patrol there more.

[NumberSix]

Oh how hypocritical. So why do you expect blacks to treat every instance of unnecessary police shootings on their own seperate merit, but feel all blacks should be held accountable for the actions of a few blacks. Are you so blind that you can't see the blatant double standard????
You're a very stupid person.

The police are in these neighborhoods to PROTECT the majority of blacks from the violent criminal minority. Not to "hold them accountable for the actions" of the criminals.

[TheWinningFam]

You're a very stupid person.

The police are in these neighborhoods to PROTECT the majority of blacks from the violent criminal minority. Not to "hold them accountable for the actions" of the criminals.
beating and killing unarmed black people then is not ''protecting the majority'' thats not police work..

[NumberSix]

beating and killing unarmed black people then is not ''protecting the majority'' thats not police work..
There are probably more black people struck by lightning every year than are victims of unjustified police killings.

Yeah, a few examples do happen and should be appropriately punished. But we're past that point of reasonable conversation. We're stuck in this stupid paradigm of arguing the scale of this real problem.

Imagine if there were "black on white violence" protests and riots happening all over the country and a "white lives matter" movement screaming all day about whites being victimized by blacks. It DOES happen, but don't you think you would say "you might be blowing this out of proportion"?

[TheWinningFam]

There are probably more black people struck by lightning every year than are victims of unjustified police killings.There was more unarmed blacks killed/assaulted in the past month than there has been overall people struck by lightning this year, wanna bet? either way does this being the case justify state sanction murder?


Yeah, a few examples do happen and should be appropriately punished. But we're past that point of reasonable conversation. We're stuck in this stupid paradigm of arguing the scale of this real problem.
How many more unarmed people have to die/be assaulted before this is considered a problem instead of random coincidences?


Imagine if there were "black on white violence" protests and riots happening all over the country and a "white lives matter" movement screaming all day about whites being victimized by blacks. It DOES happen, but don't you think you would say "you might be blowing this out of proportion"? The problem is the black on white violence is being commited by other criminals, otoh, state sanctioned police are commiting these atrocities on people and thats the problem, The GOVERNMENT is allowing for this to happen which shouldn't be the case. Until we stop denying that there's a problem you will continue to see stuff like blm, micah johnson etc, keep denying that their oppression exists and expect those that feel oppressed not to do anything about it brehs :lol

[qrich]

Dude. We've been through this before.

There is no video of Kelley Thomas. But the officers said he was resisting.

Noble repeatedly was allowed to reach into his person before he was shot

Guilford actually fought with the officer.

The others are people of color.

Contrast these instances with Rice, who was just playing in the park. Crawdord was just shopping in a Walmart on the phone. And Castille had a license to carry a firearm. These aren't the same situations.

As far as your question, please. Try to understand. All we want is consistencey. You ask what are the police to do if a gun is aimed at them, my answer is do the same thing they often do with white men. Mind you, I'm not saying that all police are bad or that whites can't be brutalized by the police. My point Is that they don't use the same restraint. Which is why they can use beanbag to subdue a white man, but live ammo for a black woman.

There is a video of Thomas, but hey, if you are going off and backing the officers with them saying he was resisting, you should also be going off and backing the officers in every other case, such as the Wilson one (where it was clear anyway).

Noble reached but hands in your pocket isn't? Guliford fought but Brown, for example, didn't?

People of color, yet, BLM minimizes them. Interesting.

Playing in the park? Really? Ignoring everything else? But that's what you continue to do.

But hey, continue to focus on aspect and play victim.

[qrich]

Black people have to admit to themselves at some point that the reason why cops are in their neighborhoods in the scale that they are is because that's where the crime is.

It isn't a black versus white versus Asian versus Latino vs Habeeb neighborhood issue.

It's a class issue.

[qrich]

No Video of Kelly tho (https://youtu.be/Ku42PPzYEqs?t=88) huh? Keep playing one part.

[TheWinningFam]

No Video of Kelly tho (https://youtu.be/Ku42PPzYEqs?t=88) huh? Keep playing one part.
As previously stated, in a system of white supremacy there will always be a white sacrafice to cover up but the majority of their crimes will be to the ones targeted

The fact remains the majority of unarmed citizens being beaten/killed just so happen to be black, so either we have a large anamoly or a system of white supremacy in the law enforcement agencies across the country that was spotted by the fbi over a decade ago in an fbi crime report.
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

[Smoke117]

OP is a worthless piece of shit.

This.

[NumberSix]

It isn't a black versus white versus Asian versus Latino vs Habeeb neighborhood issue.

It's a class issue.
It's not a class issue. It's a committing crime vs not committing crime issue.

[NumberSix]

[I]As previously stated, in a system of white supremacy there will always be a white sacrafice to cover up but the majority of their crimes will be to the ones targeted
You seem like the type of person that if you talk long enough, it comes out that you think "the Jews" are ultimately behind every problem.

[TheWinningFam]

It's not a class issue. It's a committing crime vs not committing crime issue.
Why come everytime an unarmed person is killed/assaulted its always either the victim's fault or the cop ''made a mistake''?

[qrich]

As previously stated, in a system of white supremacy there will always be a white sacrafice to cover up but the majority of their crimes will be to the ones targeted

The fact remains the majority of unarmed citizens being beaten/killed just so happen to be black, so either we have a large anamoly or a system of white supremacy in the law enforcement agencies across the country that was spotted by the fbi over a decade ago in an fbi crime report.
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf


BRB

Going to put together a pdf and upload it and state it as factual.

[97 bulls]

You're a very stupid person.

The police are in these neighborhoods to PROTECT the majority of blacks from the violent criminal minority. Not to "hold them accountable for the actions" of the criminals.
No. Police are SUPPOSED to be protecting our community. Get it right.

[NumberSix]

Why come everytime an unarmed person is killed/assaulted its always either the victim's fault or the cop ''made a mistake''?
Not every time. Almost every time.

We're all aware that scumbag cops exist. There are cops who abuse power, plant evidence and are criminals themselves. These people exist. But you guys overreach and claim dumb conspiracy theory shit like its "systemic" or "institutional".

[NumberSix]

No. Police are SUPPOSED to be protecting our community. Get it right.
Protected form... what?

[TheWinningFam]

Not every time. Almost every time.

We're all aware that scumbag cops exist. There are cops who abuse power, plant evidence and are criminals themselves. These people exist. But you guys overreach and claim dumb conspiracy theory shit like its "systemic" or "institutional".
Why is it ''dumb'' when there's evidence from the fbi itself stating that there's systems of white supremacy that have infiltrated law enforcement?

[NumberSix]

Why is it ''dumb'' when there's evidence from the fbi itself stating that there's systems of white supremacy that have infiltrated law enforcement?
"Systems of white supremacy" :roll: :roll: :roll:

No such evidence exists. All they have concluded is that blacks are arrested, ticketed, etc. disproportionately. Your mistake is that you assume that all races should be arrested exactly in proportion to their percentage of the population.

At some point you're going to have to just accept the reality that blacks and whites don't commit the same amount of crime. Blacks commit way more crime than any other group. The majority of blacks don't commit any crimes at all, but the percentage of blacks that do commit crimes is larger than any other group.

Police don't choose WHO commits the crimes. They can only deal with the people that do. If it happens that a disproportionally large percentage of the people that commit crime are black, well then that's just the way it is.

[TheWinningFam]

"Systems of white supremacy" :roll: :roll: :roll:

No such evidence exists. All they have concluded is that blacks are arrested, ticketed, etc. disproportionately. Your mistake is that assume that all races should be arrested exactly in proportion to their percentage of the population.

We know that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement groups because the fbi released a crime report stating this for a fact, http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf You cant use fbi statistics to support your argument, then deny them when they are brought up in another :lol The facts show that blacks are disproportionately arrested for the same crimes that whites commit at the same rate, remember being arrested does not mean a certain group commits more crime, suspected white supremacist love to use this same old rhetoric. The thing is noone's asking for it to be definantly equal, but there shouldn't be a huge gap like there is today.



At some point you're going to have to just accept the reality that blacks and whites don't commit the same amount of crime. Blacks commit way more crime than any other group. The majority of blacks don't commit any crimes at all, but the percentage of blacks that do commit crimes is larger than any other group.
The facts show that blacks are disproportionately arrested for the same crimes that whites commit at the same rate, remember being arrested does not mean a certain group commits more crime, suspected white supremacist love to use this same old rhetoric.

[NumberSix]

We know that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement groups because the fbi released a crime report stating this for a fact, http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf You cant use fbi statistics to support your argument, then deny them when they are brought up in another :lol The facts show that blacks are disproportionately arrested for the same crimes that whites commit at the same rate, remember being arrested does not mean a certain group commits more crime, suspected white supremacist love to use this same old rhetoric. The thing is noone's asking for it to be definantly equal, but there shouldn't be a huge gap like there is today.



The facts show that blacks are disproportionately arrested for the same crimes that whites commit at the same rate, remember being arrested does not mean a certain group commits more crime, suspected white supremacist love to use this same old rhetoric.
Do you agree that if the justice system was 100% fair, the percentage of the prison population that is black would be a lot higher than 13% even though blacks are only 13% of the population?

[97 bulls]

Do you agree that if the justice system was 100% fair, the percentage of the prison population that is black would be a lot higher than 13% even though blacks are only 13% of the population?
At least you're admitting that the judicial system isn't fair. We're making headway

[NumberSix]

At least you're admitting that the judicial system isn't fair. We're making headway
I'm admitting it's not 100% fair. Bad cops, bad judges, bad prosecutors, bad lawyers, etc exist.

[97 bulls]

There is a video of Thomas, but hey, if you are going off and backing the officers with them saying he was resisting, you should also be going off and backing the officers in every other case, such as the Wilson one (where it was clear anyway).

Noble reached but hands in your pocket isn't? Guliford fought but Brown, for example, didn't?

People of color, yet, BLM minimizes them. Interesting.

Playing in the park? Really? Ignoring everything else? But that's what you continue to do.

But hey, continue to focus on aspect and play victim.
You guys love using that Brown case don't you? I very said this before, I don't give a damn about Michael Brown. He was the wrong individual to riot over.

But let's consider this. The black community didn't riot solely due to Brown. They don't trust the police. And have ample reason not to. So when a situation like Brown happens, all it takes is for a few people to say that he was surrendering and was shot anyway, and then ALL the other BS that led up to that is gonna be rehashed. Brown was just the cherry on top.


It's a classic case of being caught in a lie, you're now proven that you're untrustworthy. So why should we believe what Wilson stated? Oh. Because we are supposed to treat every situation as its own incident evendors though we're not afforder the same. Am I right?

[97 bulls]

I'm admitting it's not 100% fair. Bad cops, bad judges, bad prosecutors, bad lawyers, etc exist.
So then what do you disagree with?

[TheWinningFam]

I'm admitting it's not 100% fair. Bad cops, bad judges, bad prosecutors, bad lawyers, etc exist.
Do you believe that white supremacy groups have infilitrated law enforcement groups as was documented by the fbi?

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

[NumberSix]

Do you believe that white supremacy groups have infilitrated law enforcement groups as was documented by the fbi?

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf
No, "white supremacy groups" have not infiltrated law enforcement.

[TheWinningFam]

No, "white supremacy groups" have not infiltrated law enforcement.
So the fbi is lying is what you're saying?

[NumberSix]

So the fbi is lying is what you're saying?
I'm saying you're mischaracterizing the FBI's findings.

[qrich]

You guys love using that Brown case don't you? I very said this before, I don't give a damn about Michael Brown. He was the wrong individual to riot over.

But let's consider this. The black community didn't riot solely due to Brown. They don't trust the police. And have ample reason not to. So when a situation like Brown happens, all it takes is for a few people to say that he was surrendering and was shot anyway, and then ALL the other BS that led up to that is gonna be rehashed. Brown was just the cherry on top.


It's a classic case of being caught in a lie, you're now proven that you're untrustworthy. So why should we believe what Wilson stated? Oh. Because we are supposed to treat every situation as its own incident evendors though we're not afforder the same. Am I right?

I'm using that because you are claiming one was violent but wouldn't admit the same about the other.

Right after you blatantly lie that there was no surveillance when Thomas was stomped to death, which there was.

[97 bulls]

I'm using that because you are claiming one was violent but wouldn't admit the same about the other.

Right after you blatantly lie that there was no surveillance when Thomas was stomped to death, which there was.
I never stated one was violent and another wasnt. I said, show me an instance where the police killed an innocent white man without any kind of discernment like they did Rice, Or Crawford llll or Castille. Those men were killed because they were black. Had they been white, the officers would've been much more tolerant.

Even in the case of Kelley Thomas. No one ever disagreed as to whether or not he was resisting. The prosecutions case revolved around how they treated a man that had mental problems.

Again. You WONT, WILL NOT, CAN'T, AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN, find a situation similar to what happened to the men and child I mentioned.

For the life of me, why couldn't the police just use a little tolerance with that child. They went in and shot him like he was an active shooter who was knocking people down one by one. Or Crawford.

[qrich]

I never stated one was violent and another wasnt. I said, show me an instance where the police killed an innocent white man without any kind of discernment like they did Rice, Or Crawford llll or Castille. Those men were killed because they were black. Had they been white, the officers would've been much more tolerant.

Even in the case of Kelley Thomas. No one ever disagreed as to whether or not he was resisting. The prosecutions case revolved around how they treated a man that had mental problems.

Again. You WONT, WILL NOT, CAN'T, AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN, find a situation similar to what happened to the men and child I mentioned.

For the life of me, why couldn't the police just use a little tolerance with that child. They went in and shot him like he was an active shooter who was knocking people down one by one. Or Crawford.

Yeah, there is no point in talking with you. Stuck with full on foil-hat tunnel vision.

[97 bulls]

Yeah, there is no point in talking with you. Stuck with full on foil-hat tunnel vision.
How? Because you know I'm right. If you had something concrete you'd have been sent it. Allow me to ask you a question, were the circumstances as to how Kelley Thomas and Tamir Rice were murdered the same?

[97 bulls]

Here's the problem as I see it, all we as black americans are doing is playing by your rules. If we should understand that due to stats that show high criminal activity in our community, there are gonna be some innocent casualties in an effort to maintain order. Then why don't you understand that due to police coruption, were not gonna trust law enforcement. So when something that seems fishy does happen, were gonna be apprehensive when listening to the officers version of what happened.

[qrich]

How? Because you know I'm right. If you had something concrete you'd have been sent it. Allow me to ask you a question, were the circumstances as to how Kelley Thomas and Tamir Rice were murdered the same?

Because you have tunnel vision and are incapable of being subjective.

Of course they weren't the same, one was stomped to death by half a dozen officers after looking into vehicles suspiciously while one was shot after aiming (what looked like) a firearm at an officer.

[97 bulls]

Because you have tunnel vision and are incapable of being subjective.

Of course they weren't the same, one was stomped to death by half a dozen officers after looking into vehicles suspiciously while one was shot after aiming (what looked like) a firearm at an officer.
I have tunnel vision because I disagree with you? I'm not trying to get you to agree with me. I just want to see some consistency here. Why did the police use beanbags to subdue a white man that shot at them. But use live ammo to kill Korryn Gaines?

And for the record, Tamir didn't have an opportunity to aim his be be gun. He was killed within two seconds after the police arrived. Now Rice was reaching for the toy, but I think it was because the officer told him to put it on the ground. But that just speculation on my part.