Without Iggy and Bogut

[Nastradamus]

The Warriors, based on win shares, are a 63.2 win team. Cavs won 57. That does not account for win shares that would be added by those players' minutes being filled by other guys.

interesting to think about IMO. Why? Because much of the narrative all last season was, Steph is now the best player and pretty much everyone had Klay ranked as a better player than Kyrie(which he still might be).

So basically you had those 2 duos with pretty much equal supporting casts going at it, and Lebron and Kyrie coming out on top.

Also remember, they lost by 15 when Draymond was out, him and a quarter of a missed game from Bogut(played 12 mpg in this series!!!!!!) does not cover that.

Also Iggy tweaked a back and didn't miss any major time. Everyone is basically that level of hurt at that point in the season...:facepalm

[moongaze]

Golden state was outscored when bogus played. He was only a net positive in one out of the 5 games. So his absence can't be used as an excuse for golden state.

[TheWinningFam]

Injuries and other anomalies are only considered by lebron haters when he wins, otoh, anytime he loses its always his fault and never due to insuffcient team play or being forced into a 3rd option role.

[BigKAT]

I'll just say this,

Messi is (Or was for a long time) the consensus best player in the world.
Yet, without Barcelona's amazing middlers he couldn't achieve much in the National team of Argentina.

Does that mean that Messi's achievements are worthless? Probably not.

Yes, Curry was heavily relient of a system catered to maximize his abilities.
Yes, Bogut and Igudoala are very integral parts of said system, Bogut with his amazing screen setting and defense (Green won't last whole games at C) and Iggy with his superb D and the new dimensions he unlock on offense with his speed and not so bad 3 point shooting.

Sure, some players transform the system around them, such as Lebron, J.Kidd, Shaq and what not.

Some players are best used in a system in which they don't dominate -every- aspect, such as Curry, Tim Duncan and Marc Gasol.

But the way I see it at a Ring is a Ring.

[Wally450]

Golden state was outscored when bogus played. He was only a net positive in one out of the 5 games. So his absence can't be used as an excuse for golden state.

Tell that to curryfan

[I know you are]

How about no.

[Nastradamus]

I'll just say this,

Messi is (Or was for a long time) the consensus best player in the world.
Yet, without Barcelona's amazing middlers he couldn't achieve much in the National team of Argentina.

Does that mean that Messi's achievements are worthless? Probably not.

Yes, Curry was heavily relient of a system catered to maximize his abilities.
Yes, Bogut and Igudoala are very integral parts of said system, Bogut with his amazing screen setting and defense (Green won't last whole games at C) and Iggy with his superb D and the new dimensions he unlock on offense with his speed and not so bad 3 point shooting.

Sure, some players transform the system around them, such as Lebron, J.Kidd, Shaq and what not.

Some players are best used in a system in which they don't dominate -every- aspect, such as Curry, Tim Duncan and Marc Gasol.

But the way I see it at a Ring is a Ring.

Fwiw, I didn't say a single negative thing about Curry or discount him in any way, other than saying he isn't as good a Lebron

[SexSymbol]

The Warriors, based on win shares, are a 63.2 win team. Cavs won 57. That does not account for win shares that would be added by those players' minutes being filled by other guys.

interesting to think about IMO. Why? Because much of the narrative all last season was, Steph is now the best player and pretty much everyone had Klay ranked as a better player than Kyrie(which he still might be).

So basically you had those 2 duos with pretty much equal supporting casts going at it, and Lebron and Kyrie coming out on top.

Also remember, they lost by 15 when Draymond was out, him and a quarter of a missed game from Bogut(played 12 mpg in this series!!!!!!) does not cover that.

Also Iggy tweaked a back and didn't miss any major time. Everyone is basically that level of hurt at that point in the season...:facepalm

I've never seen a dumber statement on this forum.
Jesus christ, that was horrific to read.




God damnit, that was so stupid, it's unbelievable lol
nikka do you even know how big of an impact back problems of that magnitude have on player's performance? And to say that everyone is that level of hurt is just ludicrous. You can barely raise your hands above your head and your neck is mostly locked up.

dumb af

[Sarcastic]

A fcked up back is no joke. Every movement you make is affected. It's one of the worst and most painful things anyone can go through, other than like a major injury. I pulled my back out once and was bed ridden for 2 weeks.

With that said, no excuses. You got game 7 at home. Should never lose that game no matter what. Warriors really could have won with just slightly better shooting from their 2 stars.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Missing Irving/Love in 15' vs. Warriors players being sore, but still being able to play aside Bogut.


Hmmmmm.......


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

LeBron is so good he has people making excuses for a 73 win team not winning it all. They had a 3-1 lead with HCA, and they still ****ing lost :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

Kyrie was a huge loss for Cleveland in 2015. However Kevin Love missing in 2015 was not as big of a hindrance as some would think

If you remember, while both teams were at full strength, Cleveland got blown out twice in a row in games 1 and 2. The first turn of the tide was in game 3 where Cleveland secured their first win, without Kevin Love playing a single minute (Game 3 of the 2016 Finals (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201606080CLE.html))

Kevin Love also facilitated the Cavaliers huge lead in the elimination game 6 when he sat on the bench. Kevin Love went out with 11 minutes left in the first quarter and the Warriors were held to their lowest scoring quarter of the entire playoff (Game 6 of the 2016 Finals (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201606160CLE.html))

At the end of the 2016 Finals, Kevin Love averaged only 8 points a game on 47% True Shooting (Statistics of the 2016 Finals (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2016-nba-finals-cavaliers-vs-warriors.html)). And these numbers were also boosted due to the fact that Draymond Green and Andrew Bogut were out of commission due to suspension and injury.

Basketball is a game of matchups and Kevin Love has proven himself to not be effective against the matchups that a healthy Golden State team produces.

So due to the ineffectiveness of Kevin Love against Golden State due to matchup problems, Golden State of 2016 was more depleted than the Cleveland team of 2015. (Golden State's best player was compromised. Golden State's best defender missed a crucial close out game. Golden State's rim protector missed 1 and a half games. Golden State's best perimeter defender and previous year's FMVP was extremely disabled for at least one game, more likely two.)

[GimmeThat]

did it simply gotten to the point where the Cleveland Cavaliers said "we'll work hard, and we'll let the nessecary personnel prior to the game dictating the terms" where as the Golden State Warriors said "we'll work hard on dictating the terms, and treat the game like a normal day at work"

some people just recognized letting their weakness becoming their strength

[BigKAT]

Kyrie was a huge loss for Cleveland in 2015. However Kevin Love missing in 2015 was not as big of a hindrance as some would think

If you remember, while both teams were at full strength, Cleveland got blown out twice in a row in games 1 and 2. The first turn of the tide was in game 3 where Cleveland secured their first win, without Kevin Love playing a single minute (Game 3 of the 2016 Finals (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201606080CLE.html))

Kevin Love also facilitated the Cavaliers huge lead in the elimination game 6 when he sat on the bench. Kevin Love went out with 11 minutes left in the first quarter and the Warriors were held to their lowest scoring quarter of the entire playoff (Game 6 of the 2016 Finals (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201606160CLE.html))

At the end of the 2016 Finals, Kevin Love averaged only 8 points a game on 47% True Shooting (Statistics of the 2016 Finals (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2016-nba-finals-cavaliers-vs-warriors.html)). And these numbers were also boosted due to the fact that Draymond Green and Andrew Bogut were out of commission due to suspension and injury.

Basketball is a game of matchups and Kevin Love has proven himself to not be effective against the matchups that a healthy Golden State team produces.

So due to the ineffectiveness of Kevin Love against Golden State due to matchup problems, Golden State of 2016 was more depleted than the Cleveland team of 2015. (Golden State's best player was compromised. Golden State's best defender missed a crucial close out game. Golden State's rim protector missed 1 and a half games. Golden State's best perimeter defender and previous year's FMVP was extremely disabled for at least one game, more likely two.)


Dude.

A win is a win.
Just move on and root for next season, you guys have a great team.
The Cavs won, fair and square, game 7 on enemy territory. Respect that and enjoy what promises to be a great season for the warriors.

[Nastradamus]

I've never seen a dumber statement on this forum.
Jesus christ, that was horrific to read.




God damnit, that was so stupid, it's unbelievable lol
nikka do you even know how big of an impact back problems of that magnitude have on player's performance? And to say that everyone is that level of hurt is just ludicrous. You can barely raise your hands above your head and your neck is mostly locked up.

dumb af

If what you say is true, no matter how good of a player he was, he wouldn't be better than a single NBA player who was even 80% and was a selfish tool for attempting to play and hurting his team. I'm guessing that since he grabbed 9 boards, had 2 blocks and 2 steal and played 38 minutes, he was in better shape than barely being able to lift his hands above his head. Maybe I'm crazy, but me thinks you're being a tad dramatic my friend.

Remember, the title of the thread assumes you are getting nothing from him too.