ISH Vote: #7 Player in NBA History (2016 ISH GOAT List)

[TheWinningFam]

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Magic Johnson was voted a surprisingly low 6th best player in NBA History by ISH. Due to the original creator going inactive and a suspicious way of tallying votes transpiring up until this point, I will be taking over the tallying responsibilities until further notice.




Default ISH Vote: #7 Player in NBA History (2016 ISH GOAT List)


Wilt Chamberlain was voted the 5th best player in NBA history by ISH.


The ISH 2016 GOAT List so far


1. Michael Jordan ISH Vote: #1 Player in NBA History (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416515)

2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar ISH Vote: #2 Player in NBA History (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416679)

3. LeBron James ISH Vote: #3 Player in NBA History (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416705)

4. Bill Russell ISH Vote: #4 Player in NBA History (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416758)

5. Wilt Chamberlain ISH Vote: #5 Player in NBA History (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416813)

6. Magic Johnson ISH Vote: #6 Player in NBA History (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416896)



Rules


1. First player to 15+ votes wins. Assuming no player reaches 15+ votes within 48 hours, the player with the most votes at that time wins, unless there is a tie in which case, voting will be extended another day (and so on).
2. Voters must have at least 850 Posts
3. Voters may only vote on ONE account. Alts will not be counted.
4. Serious votes only
5. ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NO INCONSISTENT VOTES UNLESS YOU GIVE ME A REASONABLE EXPLANATION FOR THE CHANGE.


Voting Tally
Tim duncan- 6 (VengfulAngel, Dray n Klay, Feyki,Fudge 2+ others )
Shaq- 16 (InsanityKills, ArbritraryWaters, Soubeachtalents, Young X, NBAGOAT, dragonyeuw, bankaii, scuzzy, mr freeny 6+ others )
Larry bird- 8 (Trollsmasher, fatcomputernerd, sakkreth, wally450 3+ others)

Known trolls banned from voting until further notice:
Lazeruss

[VengefulAngel]

Tim Duncan.

[Trollsmasher]

Bird

[feyki]

Tim Duncan .

[Dray n Klay]

Duncan

[Dragonyeuw]

Shaquille Oneal FFS

[SouBeachTalents]

Shaq

[Fudge]

Tim Duncan.

[ArbitraryWater]

Magic ahead of Shaq :facepalm: :facepalm:

Shaq FFS

None of the Duncan bs

[Young X]

Shaq

[NBAGOAT]

shaq. This is going get ugly when we get to the 10 range.

[zeerghit]

Shaq

[BigKAT]

Larry Bird.

[Dragonyeuw]

Voting Tally
Tim duncan- 4 (VengfulAngel, Dray n Klay, Feyki,Fudge )
Shaq- 6 (InsanityKills, Feyki, ArbritraryWaters, Soubeachtalents, Young X, NBAGOAT )
Larry bird- 1 (Trollsmasher )

Umm...


Shaquille Oneal FFS

[Mr Feeny]

I think Shaq as well.

[Young X]

I don't get how people rank players.

If you did a poll on the greatest peak of all time, Shaq would be right there with anybody.

So why does it make any sense that there will be 6, 7 or 8 players ranked higher than him on the greatest players list?

Magic Johnson and Tim Duncan both possibly being ranked over him doesn't make sense to me. Neither one of them were on that level of dominance in their best years.

[Wally450]

Bird.

[Mr Feeny]

I don't get how people rank players.

If you did a poll on the greatest peak of all time, Shaq would be right there with anybody.

So why does it make any sense that there will be 6 , 7 or 8 players ranked higher than him on the greatest players list?

Magic Johnson and Tim Duncan both possibly being ranked over him doesn't make sense to me. Neither one of them were on that level of dominance in their best years.

I agree with you but some people value longevity over peak. That's the only reason he isn't top 3.

[TheWinningFam]

I don't get how people rank players.

If you did a poll on the greatest peak of all time, Shaq would be right there with anybody.

So why does it make any sense that there will be 6, 7 or 8 players ranked higher than him on the greatest players list?

Magic Johnson and Tim Duncan both possibly being ranked over him doesn't make sense to me. Neither one of them were on that level of dominance in their best years.
All time lists are usually a combination of peak level accomplishments and other things, for example, would you say curry is top 10 all time because he had 2 seasons better than shaq statistically and per wise?

[Young X]

I agree with you but some people value longevity over peak. That's the only reason he isn't top 3.Shaq was a superstar for like 12 seasons and played 19 total seasons. Longevity argument doesn't work.

[Mr Feeny]

All time lists are usually a combination of peak level accomplishments and other things, for example, would you say curry is top 10 all time because he had 2 seasons better than shaq statistically and per wise?

This is what I was trying to say. If it's based on peak, then Curry is top 5 all time and ahead of Magic, Bird, and Duncan. But people need to validate their rankings so they'd rather wait to see rings or achievements until they're ready to move someone up the all time list.

[Mr Feeny]

?
Shaq was a superstar for like 12 seasons and played 19 total seasons. Longevity argument doesn't work.

Ok. But he wasn't playing at his top level consistently for all of those. He declined heavily in 2006 and played the last 5 years or so as a lesser player.

He played a top level for 11 years but only went to God-like peak Shaq mode for 3 or 4 years from 2000-2004. Do you agree?

[Bankaii]

Shaq.

I can't wait to see how OP keeps Kobe out of the top 10:oldlol:

[NBAGOAT]

I don't get how people rank players.

If you did a poll on the greatest peak of all time, Shaq would be right there with anybody.

So why does it make any sense that there will be 6, 7 or 8 players ranked higher than him on the greatest players list?

Magic Johnson and Tim Duncan both possibly being ranked over him doesn't make sense to me. Neither one of them were on that level of dominance in their best years.

as good as he was those other years, there's a noticeable dropoff from shaq besides 2000 and 01. Magic has 2 or 3 years that are comparable to 87 and same for Duncan and 03. Also the idea that Shaq "underachieved" career wise plays in people's minds even though it shouldn't.

[Young X]

Shaq should still have an advantage over those guys for being clearly better at his best (even if it was just for a couple seasons) than they were ALONG with also having a long prime himself.

Alot of times there's too much of a disconnect between how good a player was and where they're ranked.

Yeah, accolades are important but they shouldn't be the deciding factor when we know a player was for certain better than the other.

[Dragonyeuw]

Shaq for all purposes was a top 5 player from, at worst, his second season in 94 till 2005. Longevity as far as years of elite play isn't an issue. And in that time period, 3 titles as the lead player, an MVP( should have had 3) and a top 3-4 peak. Whatever the criteria is for how people are judging, I personally can't rank 6 players over him, certainly no-one else should be IMHO unless they're voting on arbitrary intangibles. He was still top 10 in 2006, and even had a bit of a renaissance year in 2009 with Phoenix.

[Nastradamus]

Bird

[FatComputerNerd]

Bird

[Sakkreth]

Larry Bird

[LAZERUSS]

Lebron.

[SexSymbol]

Larry Bird

[JebronLames]

Shaq

[arifgokcen]

Shaq

[Naero]

Shaq - the MDE and arguably the greatest NBA Finals-performer of all time next to the all-around GOAT himself in Michael Jordan.

[atljonesbro]

Timothy Duncan

[arifgokcen]

Sad thing is we really need more space in top 10. Duncan bird and Kobe we really need hakeem in top 10

[J Shuttlesworth]

Gotta go with Shaq here

[TheWinningFam]

Effective immeadeatly: I will be capping the max number of votes off at 15 instead of 20 since its unlikely there will be more than 1 player getting more than 15 votes in any particular time, this is subject to change however if this instance happens to occur more than once.

[WayOfWad3]

Larry Bird FTW
* I do indeed have over 850 posts, it's just that Steve accident key deleted my other WayOfWade account

[TheWinningFam]

Larry Bird FTW
* I do indeed have over 850 posts, it's just that Steve accident key deleted my other WayOfWade account
It's all good http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/obama.png

[feyki]

Delete my Shaq vote over there .

[Nilocon165]

Kobe

-SexSymbol

[Nilocon165]

Shaq

[Orlando Magic]

Allen Iverson.

[BedroomBully]

Where is Kobe!!! 81 points, 5 rings! Kobe 1B! My vote has been casted.

[TheWinningFam]

It seems shaq will be taking the number 7 spot on the ish all time list,
A new rule that will be taking place starting next post is if you vote for someone and they dont win, that vote carries over to the next poll, this is to prevent inconsistent voting and also to speed up the process a bit.

Example
larry bird had 8 votes for #7 but larry bird lost to shaq, therefore larry bird will start the #8 vote with 8 votes. also the people who voted for larry bird cannot vote again until that person is voted in.

[I know you are]

Duncan

[MP.Trey]

Shaq Daddy

[I know you are]

It seems shaq will be taking the number 7 spot on the ish all time list,
A new rule that will be taking place starting next post is if you vote for someone and they dont win, that vote carries over to the next poll, this is to prevent inconsistent voting and also to speed up the process a bit.

Example
larry bird had 8 votes for #7 but larry bird lost to shaq, therefore larry bird will start the #8 vote with 8 votes. also the people who voted for larry bird cannot vote again until that person is voted in.
What if we legit overlooked something? For example, I joined the last thread and saw everybody discussing Magic vs Shaq. Given that Duncan is usually top 5, I assumed he was already in the list. I therefore voted Shaq because I rank him over Magic. I would have put Duncan higher.

[WayOfWad3]

It seems shaq will be taking the number 7 spot on the ish all time list,
A new rule that will be taking place starting next post is if you vote for someone and they dont win, that vote carries over to the next poll, this is to prevent inconsistent voting and also to speed up the process a bit.

Example
larry bird had 8 votes for #7 but larry bird lost to shaq, therefore larry bird will start the #8 vote with 8 votes. also the people who voted for larry bird cannot vote again until that person is voted in.
I can dig it, count me in for Larry Bird next vote then