Obama administration says $400M to Iran was contingent on release of prisoners

[Patrick Chewing]

Obama administration says $400M to Iran was contingent on release of prisoners

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/18/obama-administration-says-400m-to-iran-was-contingent-on-release-prisoners.html

[QUOTE][I]The Obama administration admitted Thursday that a $400 million cash payment to Iran in January was contingent on the release of American prisoners being held in the country

[Nick Young]

Negotiating with terrorists.
Giving tax payer money to a terrorist regime.
Lying about it when he gets caught.

Good ol Obama. :facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

This is the *technicality administration. Everything they do, everything they say, they get away with on a technicality. Either they didn't know what they were doing, or they did it in conjunction with something else. There is always an excuse or some sort of spin behind their reasoning.

It's the same shit as the Bowe Bergdahl swap. We're not supposed to negotiate. What does sending these Taliban generals to Qatar even mean? That once they get there they become school teachers or factory workers?? They literally must think that they are batting a 1.000 for these last 8 years. Holy shit.


There has never been a more anti-American and corrupt administration than this one.

[senelcoolidge]

He (Obama) was smirking during the press conference. He thinks it's funny. This guy should be arrested for treason. This corruption has to end this election or this country is pretty much done. Obama lying and smirking...:facepalm Hillary is a pathological liar :facepalm .

[NumberSix]

Founder of ISIS.

[bdreason]

So we owed them money, but we weren't going to pay them unless they released some prisoners. Sounds more like we got something for nothing.

[1987_Lakers]

Kirby: Iran money was leverage not ransom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiEiiLu_9Yg

Obama isn't dumb enough to fvck up on Iran like Reagan did.

[Patrick Chewing]

This should be a bigger scandal.


Resident Liberal cucks like KevinNYC/FillJackson, DonDadda, Doucheyboy, TheMan avoiding this like the plague.

[fiddy]

Negotiating with terrorists.
Giving tax payer money to a terrorist regime.
Lying about it when he gets caught.

Good ol Obama. :facepalm
The only terrorist around here is YOU, buddy

[UK2K]

So we owed them money, but we weren't going to pay them unless they released some prisoners. Sounds more like we got something for nothing.

Simple Definition of ransom
: money that is paid in order to free someone who has been captured or kidnapped

So us GIVING them money was contingent on them RELEASING our people. That's called ransom.

Nowhere does it say 'but if you 'owe' them, its totally not ransom'.

We traded 5 Taliban commanders for one deserter... now we're paying a ransom to a country that will immediately funnel that cash into the war in Syria/Iraq.

Well done, yet again, Obama.

[kurple]

Simple Definition of ransom
: money that is paid in order to free someone who has been captured or kidnapped

So us GIVING them money was contingent on them RELEASING our people. That's called ransom.

Nowhere does it say 'but if you 'owe' them, its totally not ransom'.

We traded 5 Taliban commanders for one deserter... now we're paying a ransom to a country that will immediately funnel that cash into the war in Syria/Iraq.

Well done, yet again, Obama.
So you don't want Americans prisoners being saved? Or America paying money they owe?

[Dresta]

Kirby: Iran money was leverage not ransom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiEiiLu_9Yg

Obama isn't dumb enough to fvck up on Iran like Reagan did.
:facepalm

Obama has f*cked up foreign policy wise about 10x worse than Reagan. I've never seen a President make such obvious mistakes and blunders so often, and so repetitively. Guy needs to read a history book.

[UK2K]

So you don't want Americans prisoners being saved?

Not by paying a ransom, no. I wouldn't want a ransom paid for myself, and I think its complete horseshit we traded commanders for a deserter; even before I KNEW he deserted. You don't do it. Period. If it got down to it, last man alive in our truck pulled the pin on a grenade. Everyone knew it. That was the rule.


Or America paying money they owe?

**** Iran. Our sailors had their hands behind their heads because they were CAPTURED. Allies don't capture each other's sailors.

If it was someone else, sure. But as it stands, we shouldn't have been negotiating with them to begin with. If it was such an awesome idea, our administration and Obama wouldn't have spent the last year lying about it.

[SexSymbol]

The sum doesn't really matter, as USA will just print money without inflation as the money will not be in the domestic market.
The problem is that he's literally funding terrorists.
There's seal teams for these kinds of missions, send a few and smoke them out

[Patrick Chewing]

So you don't want Americans prisoners being saved? Or America paying money they owe?


America paying a terrorist state country that shouts Death to America seems kinda ridiculous doesn't it??

Plus, if the release of the prisoners was conditional on us giving them this so-called "owed money", then that's the textbook definition of ransom.

Not sure why some of you can't understand that.

[Patrick Chewing]

The sum doesn't really matter, as USA will just print money without inflation as the money will not be in the domestic market.
The problem is that he's literally funding terrorists.
There's seal teams for these kinds of missions, send a few and smoke them out


Bingo!!

[kurple]

Wonder how much money America owe around the world but refuse to pay unless some American is taken hostage

[I know you are]

Simple Definition of ransom
: money that is paid in order to free someone who has been captured or kidnapped

So us GIVING them money was contingent on them RELEASING our people. That's called ransom.

Nowhere does it say 'but if you 'owe' them, its totally not ransom'.

We traded 5 Taliban commanders for one deserter... now we're paying a ransom to a country that will immediately funnel that cash into the war in Syria/Iraq.

Well done, yet again, Obama.
So you'd rather they pay the owed money and not get the prisoners back? :hammerhead:

[I know you are]

The sum doesn't really matter, as USA will just print money without inflation as the money will not be in the domestic market.
The problem is that he's literally funding terrorists.
There's seal teams for these kinds of missions, send a few and smoke them out
You would kill the captures, but the captures are likely to execute the prisoners during the attempted rescue.

[UK2K]

So you'd rather they pay the owed money and not get the prisoners back? :hammerhead:
I'd rather demand our sailors back or we'll **** them up.

See, this is how you start to look like a giant *****. If I'm ISIS, I'm doing everything I can to kidnap Americans now. Why? Because they know they're worth about $40m a piece.

How about "**** you, give us our sailors back or were going to bend you over"? That I would support. Because if that's your response, you only have to do it once. The next country wouldn't be so eager to snatch up our military.

Do you honestly think if 10 Iranians drifted into US waters wed capture them and demand a ransom? **** no, we'd give them food and a massage and send them right back. That's why the world is laughing at us.

[kurple]

I'd rather demand our sailors back or we'll **** them up.

See, this is how you start to look like a giant *****. If I'm ISIS, I'm doing everything I can to kidnap Americans now. Why? Because they know they're worth about $40m a piece.

How about "**** you, give us our sailors back or were going to bend you over"? That I would support. Because if that's your response, you only have to do it once. The next country wouldn't be so eager to snatch up our military.

Do you honestly think if 10 Iranians drifted into US waters wed capture them and demand a ransom? **** no, we'd give them food and a massage and send them right back. That's why the world is laughing at us.
But what about the money?

America isnt supposed to pay money they owe? The rules are different for you?

[UK2K]

But what about the money?

America isnt supposed to pay money they owe? The rules are different for you?

We don't owe them shit. Not sure what rules you're referring to but if I loaned a guy $10, then ****ed his girlfriend, I wouldn't demand my $10 back and I doubt he'd give it to me.

As far as I'm concerned, they're the most sophisticated terrorist organization on the planet... I'd **** them the same as I'd **** ISIS or the Taliban... with a smile on my face.

We should have never been negotiating with them to begin with. That wasn't the will of the people, that was Obama trying to leave a legacy.

[Patrick Chewing]

So you'd rather they pay the owed money and not get the prisoners back? :hammerhead:


Uhh if we pay for prisoners then every country would be abducting Americans every day. That's why we don't negotiate. Real simple concept.

[SexSymbol]

You would kill the captures, but the captures are likely to execute the prisoners during the attempted rescue.
why?
Those are barely trained nutjobs who would just run when they'd see a laser tag on their chest.

[Nick Young]

Wonder how much money America owe around the world but refuse to pay unless some American is taken hostage
Your Norwegian social studies class isn't doing a very good job of teaching you how the world works, lille bror.

[brownmamba00]

We don't owe them shit. Not sure what rules you're referring to but if I loaned a guy $10, then ****ed his girlfriend, I wouldn't demand my $10 back and I doubt he'd give it to me.

As far as I'm concerned, they're the most sophisticated terrorist organization on the planet... I'd **** them the same as I'd **** ISIS or the Taliban... with a smile on my face.

We should have never been negotiating with them to begin with. That wasn't the will of the people, that was Obama trying to leave a legacy.
you can't just loan money and not give it back...that's called stealing.

we're not talking about 10 dollars either...these are billion dollar deals.

not to mention how you ****ed over Iran's people in the past.

but sure they are the same as ISIS or taliban

fkn moron you are.

[UK2K]

you can't just loan money and not give it back...that's called stealing.
Not if the person you loaned it to shot you in the back... that's called karma.



we're not talking about 10 dollars either...these are billion dollar deals.

not to mention how you ****ed over Iran's people in the past.

Let me guess... we owe THEM reparations too? Join the club. The fact is, they arm and fund terrorist organizations that kill US soldiers. We don't owe them a ****ing thing.


but sure they are the same as ISIS or taliban

fkn moron you are.

Exactly. If Obama wasn't playing footsie with Islamic terrorists, this wouldn't even be an issue. Unfortunately for us, he kept drawing red lines until he ran out of chalk.

They deserve the same fate as any other terrorist organization.

[brownmamba00]

Not if the person you loaned it to shot you in the back... that's called karma.



Let me guess... we owe THEM reparations too? Join the club. The fact is, they arm and fund terrorist organizations that kill US soldiers. We don't owe them a ****ing thing.



Exactly. If Obama wasn't playing footsie with Islamic terrorists, this wouldn't even be an issue. Unfortunately for us, he kept drawing red lines until he ran out of chalk.

They deserve the same fate as any other terrorist organization.
ISIS kills US soldiers too...who funded ISIS again in the beginning? Who gave Al Qaeda money and arms to fight the Soviets back in the day?

the US gives 1.5 billion dollars in aid to the colonist state Israel every year but yet here you are accusing Iran of being a terrorist state :oldlol:

altho Obama ****ed up in the Middle East with ISIS...the deal with Iran is really good. No more monopoly oil from the Saudis. Pissed off the Wahabbs and the Zionists. I love it.

Obama was a decent to good president...no matter what bullshit subjective point you are trying to make.

[brownmamba00]

*organize an illegal coup CHECK
*steal their money CHECK
*get people to riot against eachother...cause casualties CHECK
*divide the country CHECk
*make the country go back 50 years CHECK
*support their biggest rival country CHECK
***** up the neighbour countries CHECK

Iran is the one that's terrorist? more like the US is a terrorist state under a disguise of World Police aka the bringers of Democracy.



see how easy the narrative can be spinned?

[Nick Young]

you can't just loan money and not give it back...that's called stealing.

we're not talking about 10 dollars either...these are billion dollar deals.

not to mention how you ****ed over Iran's people in the past.

but sure they are the same as ISIS or taliban

fkn moron you are.
We arranged a deal with them.

Then they attacked our embassy.

We don't owe them shit anymore.

[UK2K]

ISIS kills US soldiers too...who funded ISIS again in the beginning? Who gave Al Qaeda money and arms to fight the Soviets back in the day?

the US gives 1.5 billion dollars in aid to the colonist state Israel every year but yet here you are accusing Iran of being a terrorist state :oldlol:

altho Obama ****ed up in the Middle East with ISIS...the deal with Iran is really good. No more monopoly oil from the Saudis. Pissed off the Wahabbs and the Zionists. I love it.

Obama was a decent to good president...no matter what bullshit subjective point you are trying to make.

I'd say we are just as guilty as they are...

So they shouldn't be negotiating with us either.

My original point remains.

I also never said Obama was a terrible president... I just said he handled this entirely wrong.

[NumberSix]

you can't just loan money and not give it back...that's called stealing.

we're not talking about 10 dollars either...these are billion dollar deals.

not to mention how you ****ed over Iran's people in the past.

but sure they are the same as ISIS or taliban

fkn moron you are.
So... If the United States makes a deal with the government of Iraq and then ISIS takes over Iraq, do you think the United States now "owes" money to ISIS? GTFO.

That's EXACTLY what the current regime of Iran is. A Shia ISIS. The United States made a deal with a government that doesn't exist anymore. There's no one to pay back. The debt doesn't transfer over to the terrorists that took over Iran.

[Patrick Chewing]

Quid Pro Quo

[MaxFly]

Probably not the smartest thread to bump right now.

[RRR3]

Probably not the smartest thread to bump right now.
Chewing isn’t very smart.