36/7/8 with 3.4 TO's (91-93' Finals) versus 30/11/9 with 4.5 TO's (2016 Finals)

[3ball]

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Jordan's 1.1 fewer turnovers erases his 1 fewer assist, which means Lebron's 4 defensive rebound advantage is matched against Jordan's 6-point scoring advantage on better efficiency.. Obviously, Jordan's 6 points on better efficiency is worth more than Lebron's 4 defensive rebounds.

Also, Jordan scored 15 ppg more than his 2nd option, compared to 1 ppg for Lebron - so Jordan faced greater defensive attention, yet he made all the game-winning plays for Pippen, whereas Kyrie made several for Lebron.

Finally, Lebron's assists and rebounds were constant the entire Finals, whereas he averaged 24 ppg and 6 TO's thru 4 games, compared to 36 ppg and 3 TO's in the last 3.. So scoring and turnovers were the deciding factors in the comeback, and those are Jordan's two biggest advantages over Lebron - indeed, Lebron needed to become Jordan to beat the Warriors.. No surprise there.
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[RRR3]

4.4 Turnovers stop fudging stats you liar

[Dray n Klay]

1-9 with 0 all-stars versus Beating a 73 win team + FMVP with 0 all-stars



Whats better 3ball?

[AirBonner]

Notice op rounds Lebron's assists down and his turnovers up.

[Milbuck]

MJ averaged 3.4 TOs a game :oldlol:

I love how this retard posts these fake stats like we can't double check them in 2 seconds.

[RRR3]

MJ averaged 3.4 TOs a game :oldlol:

I love how this retard posts these fake stats like we can't double check them in 2 seconds.
I don't get why he feels the need to fake stats. Jordan has better stats anyways :oldlol:

[Trollsmasher]

now compare the defenses faced:lol

of course LeBron wouldn't turn over the ball 4.5 times if he was playing against Houston which was probably the 2016 equivalent of the average defense Jordan faced:lol

[AirBonner]

MJ averaged 3.4 TOs a game :oldlol:

I love how this retard posts these fake stats like we can't double check them in 2 seconds.
Dat community college degree tho :lol

[3ball]

MJ averaged 3.4 TOs a game :oldlol:


Simple typo error that I fixed - it changes nothing

Jordan's 1.1 fewer turnovers erases his 1 fewer assist, which means Lebron's 4 defensive rebound advantage is matched against Jordan's 6-point scoring advantage on better efficiency..

Obviously, Jordan's 6 points on better efficiency is worth more than Lebron's 4 defensive rebounds.

[Dray n Klay]

3ball, who faced the tougher defensive team?

[3ball]

now compare the defenses faced:lol

of course LeBron wouldn't turn over the ball 4.5 times if he was playing against Houston which was probably the 2016 equivalent of the average defense Jordan faced:lol
Lebron can't even get double-teamed - FACT

https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/609050214352187393

[Trollsmasher]

Lebron can't even get double-teamed - FACT

https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/609050214352187393
he can get double-teamed, as evidenced by the fact that got double teamed 15 times according to your link

the fact that teams fear double teaming him speaks for itself:applause:

[3ball]

3ball, who faced the tougher defensive team?
Jordan.

Lebron can't even get double-teamed - FACT

https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/609050214352187393


Also, Lebron enjoys hands-off perimeter defense and wider driving lanes from 3-point shooting teammates (spacing).. That's why there's more 20 ppg perimeter scorers today than ever before.. It's not even close - imagine if you gave Jordan spacing and hands-off defenders... It's amazing to think about... Truly amazing - hard to fathom, honestly

[3ball]

he can get double-teamed, as evidenced by the fact that got double teamed 15 times according to your link



You fool - 15 times in 3 games means only 5 times per game.

Compare that to Jordan routinely getting double-teamed 10+ times in a single QUARTER:



Here's an example from Game 6 of 1989 ECF, starting at the 9 minute mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4W_0I82B18&t=1h21m11s) - MJ is double-teamed 10 of 13 times he touched the ball to finish out the game.. The 3 times he didn't get doubled were because he shot the ball immediately - here's all 10 double-teams shown in gifs:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11703590&postcount=88



Here's a video of MJ against Atlanta - he's double-teamed 12 of 13 possessions from the 6:40 mark to the 8:40 mark - the consecutive double-teams are shown in rapid succession:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDGm8pV6uU&t=6m40s



The youtube channel "Nobody Touches Jordan" did a video of Payton guarding MJ in Game 4 of 1996 Finals (link here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFWyLRNsGk)) - MJ was doubled exactly 10 of the 20 times he caught the ball with Payton guarding - all 10 double-teams are shown if gifs here:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11792377&postcount=161



Here's the New York Times on Jordan, 1987:


"Last season, Jordan had to overcome the harrassment of zone traps and double-triple teaming to average 37.1 points a game."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s9_GKFNL9E&t=0m49s



Even on the post, MJ was double-teamed equally - here's a Shaq post video that shows him being doubled 33 of 62 times he caught the ball on the post (53%) compared to 52 of 103 in the MJ post video (50%).


SHAQ'S POST MOVES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVxZs7dwCO8
MJ'S POST MOVES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfSftZvpHJg


However, MJ got doubled all over the court, not just on the post - MJ's danger from anywhere on the court resulted in teams often doubling him 10+ possessions in a row, as various videos in the OP showed.. This type of every-possession double teams for 10 consecutive possessions never happened for Shaq, not even in the 2000 Finals.

[Trollsmasher]

You fool - 15 times in 3 games means only 5 times per game.

Compare that to Jordan routinely getting double-teamed 10+ times in a single QUARTER:



Here's an example from Game 6 of 1989 ECF, starting at the 9 minute mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4W_0I82B18&t=1h21m11s) - MJ is double-teamed 10 of 13 times he touched the ball to finish out the game.. The 3 times he didn't get doubled were because he shot the ball immediately - here's all 10 double-teams shown in gifs:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11703590&postcount=88



Here's a video of MJ against Atlanta - he's double-teamed 12 of 13 possessions from the 6:40 mark to the 8:40 mark - the consecutive double-teams are shown in rapid succession:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDGm8pV6uU&t=6m40s



The youtube channel "Nobody Touches Jordan" did a video of Payton guarding MJ in Game 4 of 1996 Finals (link here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFWyLRNsGk)) - MJ was doubled exactly 10 of the 20 times he caught the ball with Payton guarding - all 10 double-teams are shown if gifs here:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11792377&postcount=161



Here's the New York Times on Jordan, 1987:


"Last season, Jordan had to overcome the harrassment of zone traps and double-triple teaming to average 37.1 points a game."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s9_GKFNL9E&t=0m49s



Even on the post, MJ was double-teamed equally - here's a Shaq post video that shows him being doubled 33 of 62 times he caught the ball on the post (53%) compared to 52 of 103 in the MJ post video (50%).


SHAQ'S POST MOVES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVxZs7dwCO8
MJ'S POST MOVES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfSftZvpHJg


However, MJ got doubled all over the court, not just on the post - MJ's danger from anywhere on the court resulted in teams often doubling him 10+ possessions in a row, as various videos in the OP showed.. This type of every-possession double teams for 10 consecutive possessions never happened for Shaq, not even in the 2000 Finals.
you forgot an important fact

getting doubled by two scrawny 6'3 midgets equals getting single covered by a 6'8 SF in today's game

I made a new thread asking you an interesting question. Please answer.

also all those gifs do is showing how bad the '90s defense was - the moment MJ passes out of (a very soft btw) double team, defenders start running around like headless chicken

these prehistoric idiots have no idea how to rotate

low IQ, no strategy defense

embarassing

[Dray n Klay]

LeBron had 0 all-stars on his team, so he obviously carried a heavier load

[3ball]

getting doubled by two scrawny 6'3 midgets equals getting single covered by a 6'8 SF in today's game


http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/simply-the-best-picture-id169852496

[Smoke117]

1-9

[fourkicks44]

3ball got all the alts shook :oldlol:

[RRR3]

LeBron got double-teamed frequently enough in the 2016 finals. Every time he caught the ball in the post he was getting doubled. At least when I watched.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I'll take the 6 more points, and less turnovers over the 4 extra rebounds / 1 assist.

[Inferno]

The only people who argue Bron > MJ are his stans. You won't get anywhere arguing with them :oldlol:

[J Shuttlesworth]

The only people who argue Bron > MJ are his stans. You won't get anywhere arguing with them :oldlol:
Actually, most LeBron fans have LeBron at #3 or 4 of all time, with MJ or Kareem at #1. So most LeBron fans agree MJ is the GOAT

The person who constantly brings up the argument is 3ball. It's all mostly unprovoked too.