Get ready for the fireworks. Germany likely to pass a full face veil ban

[Long Duck Dong]

In school, courts and other government offices.

The right leaning and nationalist parties are making huge gains in Germany with the masses unhappy at Germany's suicidal refugee policy. Even many leftists are expected to support this.

Most Muslims immigrants as we all know, do not assimilate well, so there will probably be riots and violence. :(



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/19/german-interior-minister-backs-burqa-bans-public-places

[fiddy]

Bout time.

[Akrazotile]

This is actually kinda messed up, because citizens should technically be allowed to wear whatever they want. The government shouldn't have to pass laws about that. Altho I agree that in courts and government offices of course people shouldn't be allowed to cover their face.

But the problem they should really be addressing is to simply stop bringing immigrants in from these regions.

That's what German citizens should be on their politicians' front lawns about.

[Long Duck Dong]

This is actually kinda messed up, because citizens should technically be allowed to wear whatever they want. The government shouldn't have to pass laws about that. Altho I agree that in courts and government offices of course people shouldn't be allowed to cover their face.

But the problem they should really be addressing is to simply stop bringing immigrants in from these regions.

That's what German citizens should be on their politicians' front lawns about.

You shouldn't be able to cover your face in school either. Most teachers would like to see a student's face when talking to them. Also reading other children's expressions and body language is important to children's social development. Most importantly, covering your face in the above stated places is ALREADY banned, they just didn't want to piss off the Muzzies. Only difference now, is it will be enforced without discrimination.

[UK2K]

This is actually kinda messed up, because citizens should technically be allowed to wear whatever they want. The government shouldn't have to pass laws about that. Altho I agree that in courts and government offices of course people shouldn't be allowed to cover their face.

But the problem they should really be addressing is to simply stop bringing immigrants in from these regions.

That's what German citizens should be on their politicians' front lawns about.

It's a safety concern when you wear a ****ing mask all day long.

[SexSymbol]

It was bound to happen, right wingers taking over.
When left pushes way too much times change for the better. Hitler was a leftist too, and 60-70s are probably goat years

[Nick Young]

The full face hijab/burka whatever its called is oppressive.

Good riddance.

[DCL]

it's like putting a little wired fence on the beach when there are tsunami style tidal waves heading over.

yup, that really solves the problem.

[Patrick Chewing]

This is actually kinda messed up, because citizens should technically be allowed to wear whatever they want. The government shouldn't have to pass laws about that. Altho I agree that in courts and government offices of course people shouldn't be allowed to cover their face.

But the problem they should really be addressing is to simply stop bringing immigrants in from these regions.

That's what German citizens should be on their politicians' front lawns about.


You take your meds today??

C'mon man. Women who wear all those bed sheets and curtains on them look ridiculous. And depending on what Muslim you talk to, some are forced to wear it.

But yes, this is a long time coming. For identification purposes, Muslim women should not be allowed to wear anything that covers their faces. Not sure why some folks and countries never grasped this concept.

[Akrazotile]

You take your meds today??

C'mon man. Women who wear all those bed sheets and curtains on them look ridiculous. And depending on what Muslim you talk to, some are forced to wear it.

But yes, this is a long time coming. For identification purposes, Muslim women should not be allowed to wear anything that covers their faces. Not sure why some folks and countries never grasped this concept.



Yall are gettin me all wrong. Im not sayin I wanna see a bunch of Muslim women walkin around wearing their cult outfits.

I just dont like the precedent being set here of a government passing laws about what you can wear. Altho like I said, I do understand some situations where its a safety concern. But just in genera, it's a slippery slope. Im actually thinking about the ramifications down the line for regular citizens, not the cult intruders. The solution to the burqa problem itself is to just stop letting in the muslim hordes. Then the govt wouldnt need to get into the clothing legality game.

[Nick Young]

Yall are gettin me all wrong. Im not sayin I wanna see a bunch of Muslim women walkin around wearing their cult outfits.

I just dont like the precedent being set here of a government passing laws about what you can wear. Altho like I said, I do understand some situations where its a safety concern. But just in genera, it's a slippery slope. Im actually thinking about the ramifications down the line for regular citizens, not the cult intruders. The solution to the burqa problem itself is to just stop letting in the muslim hordes. Then the govt wouldnt need to get into the clothing legality game.
Germany isn't America.

Europe doesn't have true freedom of speech and expression like we do. Especially Germany.

Swastikas ARE BANNED COMPLETELY. If someone expresses neo-nazi views or says things against Islam on the internet, they get jailed. The Germans live in a big brother style welfare state with state sponsored media. American style freedom was never a part of their constitution.

We Americans take our freedoms for granted, and often fail to understand that other countries, even our western allies, don't share our same views of individual liberty and freedom.

France is probably the country with the closest thing to American style freedom. Unfortunately they are going to shit these days. Hopefully the based Le Pen dynasty turns things around for them.

[DonDadda59]

This is like the transgender bathroom laws the GOP are pushing. Just a pointless non issue that will be turned into a contentious flash point for no reason.

If people want to dress like ninjas, let em. Now the non-jihadi/sharia supporting Muslims will feel they are being persecuted by the State. Further providing ammo for the likes of ISIS whose main selling point is that the West is out to destroy Islam.

[Patrick Chewing]

Yall are gettin me all wrong. Im not sayin I wanna see a bunch of Muslim women walkin around wearing their cult outfits.

I just dont like the precedent being set here of a government passing laws about what you can wear. Altho like I said, I do understand some situations where its a safety concern. But just in genera, it's a slippery slope. Im actually thinking about the ramifications down the line for regular citizens, not the cult intruders. The solution to the burqa problem itself is to just stop letting in the muslim hordes. Then the govt wouldnt need to get into the clothing legality game.


I hear ya. I think the bigger message in the long run is assimilation. Germany, or any country in that region for that matter have had a long history and culture, and Islam does present a threat to it.

These people have proven that a majority of them have no desire to assimilate.

[Nick Young]

This is like the transgender bathroom laws the GOP are pushing. Just a pointless non issue that will be turned into a contentious flash point for no reason.

If people want to dress like ninjas, let em. Now the non-jihadi/sharia supporting Muslims will feel they are being persecuted by the State. Further providing ammo for the likes of ISIS whose main selling point is that the West is out to destroy Islam.
Maybe Germany is trying to draw out and bait the terrorists?

Maybe people who are so dedicated to covering their faces in public will move to a nation where this is more culturally accepted.

[Akrazotile]

This is like the transgender bathroom laws the GOP are pushing. Just a pointless non issue that will be turned into a contentious flash point for no reason.

If people want to dress like ninjas, let em. Now the non-jihadi/sharia supporting Muslims will feel they are being persecuted by the State. Further providing ammo for the likes of ISIS whose main selling point is that the West is out to destroy Islam.


I thought it was President O that made a national decree schools must have gender-free bathrooms and such, no?

[DonDadda59]

Maybe Germany is trying to draw out and bait the terrorists?

Or maybe, like their conservative brethren across the Atlantic, they didn't really think this one through. Seems to be the case all around these days. :lol


Maybe people who are so dedicated to covering their faces in public will move to a nation where this is more culturally accepted.

Or maybe just put yellow star and crescent on them instead. Much easier way to identify them.

[DonDadda59]

I thought it was President O that made a national decree schools must have gender-free bathrooms and such, no?

AKA upholding anti-discrimination laws (ie, Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act).

[BasedTom]

This is like the transgender bathroom laws the GOP are pushing. Just a pointless non issue that will be turned into a contentious flash point for no reason.

If people want to dress like ninjas, let em. Now the non-jihadi/sharia supporting Muslims will feel they are being persecuted by the State. Further providing ammo for the likes of ISIS whose main selling point is that the West is out to destroy Islam.
pretty sure france did the same a while back

lol @ "providing ammo for ISIS." you have to be insane to think they can be appeased or that it's even worth trying an approach like that. France, Belgium, Germany have went out of their way to be friendly to Islamists in the past, and they only have the blood of innocent civilians and a disaster situation today to show for it.

if anybody is providing ammo for ISIS, it's the supposed European leaders who happily opened the gates without any consideration or thought, and of course Israel and the US.

[Nick Young]

Or maybe just put yellow star and crescent on them instead. Much easier way to identify them.
The hijab/face covering is the equivalent of the yellow star. Muslims are effectively yellow starring themselves and Germany is putting an end to it.



Or maybe, like their conservative brethren across the Atlantic, they didn't really think this one through.
Merkel has proven herself to be distinctly inept in all categories, so I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case.

The refugees in Germany are costing the German people €30,000,000,000 a year (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/04/migrants-cost-30-billion-year/). They definitely did not think this through.

[BasedTom]

Germany isn't America.

Europe doesn't have true freedom of speech and expression like we do. Especially Germany.

Swastikas ARE BANNED COMPLETELY. If someone expresses neo-nazi views or says things against Islam on the internet, they get jailed. The Germans live in a big brother style welfare state with state sponsored media. American style freedom was never a part of their constitution.

We Americans take our freedoms for granted, and often fail to understand that other countries, even our western allies, don't share our same views of individual liberty and freedom.

France is probably the country with the closest thing to American style freedom. Unfortunately they are going to shit these days. Hopefully the based Le Pen dynasty turns things around for them.
Not entirely accurate and in some cases worse. Even in a historical or educational context you see censorship. Meanwhile monuments to the communist mass-rapists are just fine and dandy.

Do you not see the hypocrisy of the Allies? The supposed capitalists and communists are just two sides of the same coin. (which is why the killed off Patton btw) All that effort went into destroying, erasing, and warping the idea of the German people, but nah apparently "oh we just have to learn to live" with this wave of radical islamic terrorism.

[Akrazotile]

AKA upholding anti-discrimination laws (ie, Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act).



Having separate bathrooms for boys and girls, to protect their privacy and safety from pervs is a violation of civil rights?




:biggums:

[Nick Young]

If a person wears clothing meant for the opposite gender, and pays for a surgeon to mutilate their genitals and inject them with hormones, that doesn't make them the opposite gender.

That makes them mentally ill.

We should stop enabling the delusions of people suffering from the mental illness gender dysphoria and instead seek to give them treatment.


Have you libtards ever looked at the suicide rates of post-op "transgender" people? Stop enabling delusional people suffering from mental illness.

[NumberSix]

Or maybe, like their conservative brethren across the Atlantic, they didn't really think this one through. Seems to be the case all around these days. :lol



Or maybe just put yellow star and crescent on them instead. Much easier way to identify them.
Does Germany even have conservatives? I don't know what that would even mean.

[NumberSix]

AKA upholding anti-discrimination laws (ie, Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act).
Exactly how does that apply to pretend-gender?

[DonDadda59]

pretty sure france did the same a while back

lol @ "providing ammo for ISIS." you have to be insane to think they can be appeased or that it's even worth trying an approach like that. France, Belgium, Germany have went out of their way to be friendly to Islamists in the past, and they only have the blood of innocent civilians and a disaster situation today to show for it.

if anybody is providing ammo for ISIS, it's the supposed European leaders who happily opened the gates without any consideration or thought, and of course Israel and the US.

Short-sighted gonna short-sighted.

Back in the 20s-70s, when the mafia was at its height, the FBI struggled mightily to infiltrate their ranks. Here you had this small group of Italians who illegally controlled entire industries in America (construction, waste disposal, gambling, etc) but until the late 50s, many Americans including the director of the FBI Hoover believed them to be an illuminatiesque urban legend. That's how insular and self-contained the mob was.

Then somewhere along the line, the Feds finally got the bright idea to start recruiting Italian-Americans to help bring down the organization from within. That's where guys like Joe Pistone (AKA Donnie Brasco) came in- They were guys who grew up in the same culture, spoke the same language, etc as the people they were targeting. And lo and behold, the mafia went from a multi-billion dollar international conglomerate to a glorified street gang in a few decades.

Now imagine if instead of realizing that they were targeting a small handful of criminals, the government instead decided to ban all Italians from coming into the country... Or made pasta illegal? Do you think guys like Donnie Brasco would've jumped at the opportunity to help the federales bring down the mob? Trying to deal with a destructive fringe by alienating and persecuting an entire group of people is counter intuitive. Just plain stupid.


The hijab/face covering is the equivalent of the yellow star. Muslims are effectively yellow starring themselves and Germany is putting an end to it.

If people want to yellow star themselves, that's perfectly fine. It's when a government forces them to do so that you have serious issues. I don't have to explain the History to you, now do I?


Merkel has proven herself to be distinctly inept in all categories, so I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case.

The refugees in Germany are costing the German people $30,000,000,000 a year. They definitely did not think this through.

And yet Merkel is still the overwhelming favorite to win the 2017 election, after winning in a landslide in 2013. :confusedshrug:

[DonDadda59]

Having separate bathrooms for boys and girls, to protect their privacy and safety from pervs is a violation of civil rights?




:biggums:

:lol

You really think bathroom laws are going to stop anyone from using certain bathrooms? Are we going to put armed guards at every restroom in every school, restaurant, bus stop, etc to pat people down for a d*ck before letting them in?

A complete non issue that cost a State like North Carolina billions of dollars and their reputation. The NBA yanked the ASG weekend from Charlotte over that pointless and misguided bill.

And for the record, trans people are protected by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. So all Barry O did was enforce the law.

[NumberSix]

:lol

You really think bathroom laws are going to stop anyone from using certain bathrooms? Are we going to put armed guards at every restroom in every school, restaurant, bus stop, etc to pat people down for a d*ck before letting them in?

A complete non issue that cost a State like North Carolina billions of dollars and their reputation. The NBA yanked the ASG weekend from Charlotte over that pointless and misguided bill.

And for the record, trans people are protected by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. So all Barry O did was enforce the law.
Yes, it was a non issue... until the SJW Democrats in Charlotte decided to out of the blue pass a law forcing everybody to accommodate tranny-bathroom nonsense. The governor was then forced to pass a state wide law to counteract this dumb law that the idiot Democrats passed for no other reason than to virtue signal and piss everybody off. It wasn't an issue. But these idiot SJWs decided to make it one just to f*ck with people.

[DonDadda59]

Yes, it was a non issue... until the SJW Democrats in Charlotte decided to out of the blue pass a law forcing everybody to accommodate tranny-bathroom nonsense. The governor was then forced to pass a state wide law to counteract this dumb law that the idiot Democrats passed for no other reason than to virtue signal and piss everybody off. It wasn't an issue. But these idiot SJWs decided to make it one just to f*ck with people.

Yeah, that's not what happened. :lol

New Orleans was just announced as the replacement for Charlotte by the NBA. Everyone who was planning on attending the festivities, vendors, hotel owners/managers, restaurant owners, etc and everyone else who was going to benefit... Thank your friendly local GOP officials and their obsession with where people piss for costing you big.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[NumberSix]

Yeah, that's not what happened. :lol
Yes, that IS what happened. :hammerhead:

[BasedTom]

Short-sighted gonna short-sighted.

Back in the 20s-70s, when the mafia was at its height, the FBI struggled mightily to infiltrate their ranks. Here you had this small group of Italians who illegally controlled entire industries in America (construction, waste disposal, gambling, etc) but until the late 50s, many Americans including the director of the FBI Hoover believed them to be an illuminatiesque urban legend. That's how insular and self-contained the mob was.

Then somewhere along the line, the Feds finally got the bright idea to start recruiting Italian-Americans to help bring down the organization from within. That's where guys like Joe Pistone (AKA Donnie Brasco) came in- They were guys who grew up in the same culture, spoke the same language, etc as the people they were targeting. And lo and behold, the mafia went from a multi-billion dollar international conglomerate to a glorified street gang in a few decades.

Now imagine if instead of realizing that they were targeting a small handful of criminals, the government instead decided to ban all Italians from coming into the country... Or made pasta illegal? Do you think guys like Donnie Brasco would've jumped at the opportunity to help the federales bring down the mob? Trying to deal with a destructive fringe by alienating and persecuting an entire group of people is counter intuitive. Just plain stupid.
You fail to realise that the Islamist horde shouldn't even be here in the first place. They weren't as of a generation ago, their roots are only as settled as the leftists and globalists are desperate to plant them before people start to see their betrayal for what it is. The 'refugees' are there purely to destroy and claim the ashes as part of their conquest. The motive for organised crime truly comes down to money, business, safety, etc. Two totally different mindsets you're dealing with here. and lol @ you worshipping hollywood's image of the mafia- here's a tip, real life mafia don't go around advertising and bragging that they're mafia. but keep talking to your jersey shore """"""Italian"""""" buddies

Good luck finding your 100% flawless western-assimilated candidate with zero risk of turning, who is also willing to throw away all their efforts in distancing themselves from that unfortunate element of their culture to jump straight back into the fire. And good luck trying to pay off an already high ranking individual or faction to do your dirty work for you. (sup Paul Wolfowitz) They'll take the money and run. If you're lucky then they'll just end up killing innocent muslims instead of your own citizens. Either way, you're rewarding them and aiding their ability to exist.

[DonDadda59]

You fail to realise that the Islamist horde shouldn't even be here in the first place. They weren't as of a generation ago, their roots are only as settled as the leftists and globalists are desperate to plant them before people start to see their betrayal for what it is.

Cell phone hordes weren't in Germany a generation ago either. Times change, Tom.


The 'refugees' are there purely to destroy and claim the ashes as part of their conquest.

This sounds reasonable, Tom. All of them.



The motive for organised crime truly comes down to money, business, safety, etc. Two totally different mindsets you're dealing with here.

You missed the point I was getting at, Tom. Completely over your head.


and lol @ you worshipping hollywood's image of the mafia- here's a tip, real life mafia don't go around advertising and bragging that they're mafia. but keep talking to your jersey shore """"""Italian"""""" buddies

Are you drunk right now, Tom? :confusedshrug:


Good luck finding your 100% flawless western-assimilated candidate with zero risk of turning, who is also willing to throw away all their efforts in distancing themselves from that unfortunate element of their culture to jump straight back into the fire.

Already got a few, Tom.


And good luck trying to pay off an already high ranking individual or faction to do your dirty work for you. (sup Paul Wolfowitz) They'll take the money and run. If you're lucky then they'll just end up killing innocent muslims instead of your own citizens. Either way, you're rewarding them and aiding their ability to exist.

:applause:

[BasedTom]

Cell phone hordes weren't in Germany a generation ago either. Times change, Tom.



This sounds reasonable, Tom. All of them.




You missed the point I was getting at, Tom. Completely over your head.



Are you drunk right now, Tom? :confusedshrug:



Already got a few, Tom.



:applause:
What tangible benefits have the syrian """refugees""" brought? Can you prove that there is any categorical obligation or market demand for it? How have the people of Europe, who their elected officials are meant to represent, benefited?

The progressive narrative and way of thinking where "it's 2016! what do you mean you're a straight white male?!" isn't based on any logic or reason. it's based on guilt-tripping, fake moral bullshit, etc. Play those games if you want, but innocent people (both europeans and people of the middle east) are losing their livelihood and dying while you pat yourself on the back for the grand achievement of not being labeled a nazi islamaphobe or racist or whatever boogieman you have.

[DonDadda59]

What tangible benefits have the syrian """refugees""" brought? Can you prove that there is any categorical obligation or market demand for it? How have the people of Europe, who their elected officials are meant to represent, benefited?

What's with the abuse of quotation marks, Tom?

And if we're talking basic dollars and cents and markets, Germany was experiencing labor shortages by 2014 and 2015 which was hurting their overall economy.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-grapples-with-growing-shortage-of-skilled-labor-1402064223

http://www.alternet.org/world/labor-shortage-germany-needs-more-immigrants

They can fill the labor void, in turn those laborers pay taxes, contribute to social security coffers, etc.


The progressive narrative and way of thinking where "it's 2016! what do you mean you're a straight white male?!" isn't based on any logic or reason. it's based on guilt-tripping, fake moral bullshit, etc. Play those games if you want, but innocent people (both europeans and people of the middle east) are losing their livelihood and dying while you pat yourself on the back for the grand achievement of not being labeled a nazi islamaphobe or racist or whatever boogieman you have.

The age of the straight White male is over, Tom.

Deal with it.

[Long Duck Dong]

What's with the abuse of quotation marks, Tom?

And if we're talking basic dollars and cents and markets, Germany was experiencing labor shortages by 2014 and 2015 which was hurting their overall economy.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-grapples-with-growing-shortage-of-skilled-labor-1402064223

http://www.alternet.org/world/labor-shortage-germany-needs-more-immigrants

They can fill the labor void, in turn those laborers pay taxes, contribute to social security coffers, etc.





If that was the case why wouldn't they bring in Asians, or Latinos. Even Africans. People from the middle east, other than Israelis of course, are the laziest people on earth. Plus you have all those stupid prayers to contend with throughout the day.

[step_back]

It's already banned in Muslim countries like Tunisia. No need for a massive over reaction.

[DonDadda59]

If that was the case why wouldn't they bring in Asians, or Latinos. Even Africans. People from the middle east, other than Israelis of course, are the laziest people on earth. Plus you have all those stupid prayers to contend with throughout the day.

Because the barbarian hordes from those other places aren't there to purely to destroy and claim the ashes as part of their conquest... They're looking for safety, employment, opportunity and other f*ckery. Angela Merkel's overriding goal is to destroy Germany from within during her tenure.

[Akrazotile]

:lol

You really think bathroom laws are going to stop anyone from using certain bathrooms? Are we going to put armed guards at every restroom in every school, restaurant, bus stop, etc to pat people down for a d*ck before letting them in?



:biggums:


Of course they are. Why do you think guys in high school don't just go waltzing into the girls locker room peepin for some jerk off material? Because they'll get suspended from school and possibly arrested if they do that.

That's... the purpose of rules and laws.

If you're born blind, you can't drive a car. That's not discrimination. That's not prejudice. That's just a common sense rule.

If you're born with a external genitals... use the men's room. If you're a real tranny and you go around every day dressed as a woman, then just quietly do whatever you need to do... which is exactly what's already been happening for years. The President brought this up specifically as a wedge issue to keep the public divided and arguing over frivolous things. Just like Congress did with that Terry Shaivo stuff during Bush's term. It's the same tactic.

Barry's on the same payroll brah. If you're falling for his "I care about minorities/poor/transgender" simply because he put a (D) next to his name when he started his political career... you're gettin suckered mayne. He's a career politician. He's playin the game and sayin what he's supposed to say as a Democrat. The people fallin for it are gettin worked like suckers. That's why so many people tried to get Bernie or Trump into office next. But the machine is too strong. The wealth and the media picked their privately bankrolled puppet. And we all gettin screwed.