Does anyone want to calculate the win % of mj and lebron playoff opponents

[3ball]

Should lebron's finals appearances be given less credit if he beat worse competition to get there?

We know for a fact that he defeated HALF the 50-win teams of mj, so his opponent's win % must be much lower than mj's opponent's

[Nilocon165]

Does anyone want you to keep posting autistic threads about Mj?

[ShawkFactory]

You are SUCH a f@ggot :oldlol:

[Smoke117]

1-9

[SouBeachTalents]

ISH seriously attracts the most deranged, obsessive, psychotic people on the web to their forum, all of whom are clinically obsessed with LeBron

[K Xerxes]

I thought you said the number of regular season wins doesn't matter when you were discrediting the 73 win GSW team that LeBron's Cavs beat.

[3ball]

ISH seriously attracts the most deranged, obsessive, psychotic people on the web to their forum, all of whom are clinically obsessed with LeBron
So I take it that's a "no" on the thread title question.

That's okay.. I'll run the numbers later.. it should be interesting.

Of course, the reality is that rookie LeBron landed on a team with a two-time all-star center and an athletic, versatile 1st team all-nba defensive wing who led the league in steals, which is FAR more help than Jordan had when he entered the league.

Jordan's help was equivalent to Lebron landing on the current Sixers or nets, in the WEST... that isn't what happened to lebron, who landed with a 2 time all-star center and a 1st team all defense wing in the weakest east ever.. then he team hopped twice in that weak east.. deplorable

[ShawkFactory]

So I take it that's a "no" on the thread title question.

That's okay.. I'll run the numbers later.. it should be interesting.

Of course, the reality is that rookie LeBron landed on a team with a two-time all-star center and an athletic, versatile 1st team all-nba defensive wing who led the league in steals, which is FAR more help than Jordan had when he entered the league.

Jordan's help was equivalent to Lebron landing on the current Sixers or nets, in the WEST... that isn't what happened to lebron, who landed with a 2 time all-star center and a 1st team all defense wing
Lol

[SouBeachTalents]

So I take it that's a "no" on the thread title question.

That's okay.. I'll run the numbers later.. it should be interesting.

Of course, the reality is that rookie LeBron landed on a team with a two-time all-star center and an athletic, versatile 1st team all-nba defensive wing who led the league in steals, which is FAR more help than Jordan had when he entered the league.

Jordan's help was equivalent to Lebron landing on the current Sixers or nets, in the WEST... that isn't what happened to lebron, who landed with a 2 time all-star center and a 1st team all defense wing in the weakest east ever.. then he team hopped twice in that weak east.. deplorable

It doesn't matter if the answer is yes or no. The entire forum could agree Jordan > LeBron, which 95% of people already do, and it still wouldn't stop you from making the same threads and posts about LeBron on an endless, psychotic loop

[3ball]

Lol
You're lol'ing at the facts eh?

Young Jordan didn't have a 2-time all star center and a 1st team all NBA defensive wing to help him make the Finals like 2007 LeBron did..

And he didn't get to make those finals by averaging shitty numbers like LeBron did - LeBron made the 2007 Finals by averaging 24 ppg on 42% in ecsf, and 26 ppg on 45% in ecf - those would be among the worst stats of Jordan's career and wouldn't get him out of 1st round, let alone the finals.. but those shitty stats were good enough for lebron, because his opponent's were AIDS, as stated in the op..

It works this way for most of their careers - mj couldn't make or win most of his finals with lebron's stats.

[ShawkFactory]

You're lol'ing at the facts eh?

Young Jordan didn't have a 2-time all star center and a 1st team all NBA defensive wing to help him make the Finals like 2007 LeBron did..

And he didn't get to make those finals by averaging shitty numbers like LeBron did - LeBron made the Finals by averaging 24 ppg on 42% in ecsf, and 26 ppg on 45% in egg - those would be among the worst stats of Jordan's career and wouldn't get him out of 1st round, let alone the finals.. but those shitty stats were good enough for lebron, because his opponent's were AIDS, as stated in the op..

It works this way for most of their careers - mj couldn't make or win most of his finals with lebron's stats.
Stopped reading after the first sentence.

I'm LOLing at you. Your Aspergers character

[JohnMax]

1/9 = 11%

[3ball]

Stopped reading after the first sentence.

I'm LOLing at you. Your Aspergers character
Its a fact that young lebron landed with a 2 time all-star center that averaged 17/9 and 2.2 blocks.. therefore he had a teammate that was top 3 at their position in the conference.. none of Jordan's teammates were anywhere NEAR top 3 until 1990

In addition to having more help, it's also a fact that lebron's opponent's had significantly lower win % throughout his playoff career than Jordan - lebron's inferior comp explains why he made the Finals in 07' by posting among the worst stats of Jordan's career..

This is the case for most of their careers - mj couldn't make or win most of his finals with lebron's stats
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[NBAGOAT]

just to oblige 3ball. I'm going count teams both guys lost to too. Also going project win totals in 2012 to 82 games so the averages aren't messed with.

Jordan: 1981-1053 65 win% average record around 53.5-28.5

Lebron: 1896-1137(1 less game since Pacers went 49-32 in 2013) 62.5 win% average record around 51-31.

Interesting that both have played in exactly 37 playoff series for now.

[ShawkFactory]

Its a fact that young lebron landed with a 2 time all-star center that averaged 17/9 and 2.2 blocks.. therefore he had a teammate that was top 3 at their position in the conference.. none of Jordan's teammates were anywhere NEAR top 3 until 1990

In addition to having more help, it's also a fact that lebron's opponent's had significantly lower win % throughout his playoff career than Jordan - lebron's inferior comp explains why he made the Finals in 07' by posting among the worst stats of Jordan's career..

This is the case for most of their careers - mj couldn't make or win most of his finals with lebron's stats
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I WOULD say that this post was a huge waste of time but I know you probably have it saved in a word document and that it took no time at all.

I can't tell which scenario there is more sad :lol

[3ball]

just to oblige 3ball. I'm going count teams both guys lost to too. Also going project win totals in 2012 to 82 games so the averages aren't messed with.

Jordan: 1981-1053 65 win% average record around 53.5-28.5

Lebron: 1896-1137(1 less game since Pacers went 49-32 in 2013) 62.5 win% average record around 51-31.

Interesting that both have played in exactly 37 playoff series for now.
Show your work or gtfo

My stats show that the win % of Jordan's eastern conference opponent's was 64% to lebron's 55, which is a massive gap

[Trollsmasher]

I thought you said the number of regular season wins doesn't matter when you were discrediting the 73 win GSW team that LeBron's Cavs beat.

[NBAGOAT]

Show your work or gtfo

My stats show that the win % of Jordan's eastern conference opponent's was 64% to lebron's 55, which is a massive gap

the ****ing hell. I actually obliged you and you're acting like an ass. Fine i'll list every team both faced.

Jordan: 85 Bucks(59), 86 Celtics(67), 87 Cetics(59), 88 Cavs(42),
88 Pistons(54), 89 Cavs(57), 89 Knicks(52), 89 Pistons(63), 90 Bucks(44), 90 Sixers(53), 90 Pistons(59), 91 Knicks(39), 91 Sixers(44), 91 Pistons(50), 91 Lakers(58), 92 Heat(38), 92 Knicks(51), 92 Cavs(57), 92 Blazers(57), 93 Hawks(43), 93 Cavs(54), 93 Knicks(60), 93 Suns(62), 95 Hornets(50), 95 Magic(57), 96 Heat(42), 96 Knicks(47), 96 Magic(60), 96 Sonics(64), 97 Bullets(44), 97 Hawks(56), 97 Heat(61), 97 Jazz(64), 98 Nets(43), 98 Hornets(51), 98 Pacers(58), 98 Jazz(62).

Lebron: 06 Wizards(42), 06 Pistons(64), 07 Wizards(41), 07 Nets(41), 07 Pistons(53), 07 Spurs(58), 08 Wizards(43), 08 Celtics(66), 09 Pistons(39), 09 Hawks(47), 09 Magic(59), 10 Bulls(41), 10 Celtics(50), 11 Sixers(41), 11 Celtics(56), 11 Bulls(62), 11 Mavs(57), 12 Knicks(45 pace), 12 Pacers(52 Pace), 12 Celtics(48 Pace), 12 Thunder(58 pace), 13 Bucks(38), 13 Bulls(45), 13 Pacers(49) 13 Spurs(58), 14 Hornets(43), 14 Nets(44), 14 Pacers(56), 14 Spurs(62), 15 Celtics(40), 15 Bulls(50), 15 Hawks(60), 15 Warriors(67), 16 Pistons(44), 16 Hawks(48), 16 Raptors(56), 16 Warriors(73)

i rechecked just to make sure wins are right and they were. Unlike you, I have no reason to lie about random stats and definitely seems like now your winning percentages are just pulled from your ass(like most of your material).

[AirBonner]

the ****ing hell. I actually obliged you and you're acting like an ass Fine i'll list every team both faced.

Jordan: 85 Bucks(59), 86 Celtics(67), 87 Cetics(59), 88 Cavs(42),
88 Pistons(54), 89 Cavs(57), 89 Knicks(52), 89 Pistons(63), 90 Bucks(44), 90 Sixers(53), 90 Pistons(59), 91 Knicks(39), 91 Sixers(44), 91 Pistons(50), 91 Lakers(58), 92 Heat(38), 92 Knicks(51), 92 Cavs(57), 92 Blazers(57), 93 Hawks(43), 93 Cavs(54), 93 Knicks(60), 93 Suns(62), 95 Hornets(50), 95 Magic(57), 96 Heat(42), 96 Knicks(47), 96 Magic(60), 96 Sonics(64), 97 Bullets(44), 97 Hawks(56), 97 Heat(61), 97 Jazz(64), 98 Nets(43), 98 Hornets(51), 98 Pacers(58), 98 Jazz(62).

Lebron: 06 Wizards(42), 06 Pistons(64), 07 Wizards(41), 07 Nets(41), 07 Pistons(53), 07 Spurs(58), 08 Wizards(43), 08 Celtics(66), 09 Pistons(39), 09 Hawks(47), 09 Magic(59), 10 Bulls(41), 10 Celtics(50), 11 Sixers(41), 11 Celtics(56), 11 Bulls(62), 11 Mavs(57), 12 Knicks(45 pace), 12 Pacers(52 Pace), 12 Celtics(48 Pace), 12 Thunder(58 pace), 13 Bucks(38), 13 Bulls(45), 13 Pacers(49) 13 Spurs(58), 14 Hornets(43), 14 Nets(44), 14 Pacers(56), 14 Spurs(62), 15 Celtics(40), 15 Bulls(50), 15 Hawks(60), 15 Warriors(67), 16 Pistons(44), 16 Hawks(48), 16 Raptors(56), 16 Warriors(73)

i rechecked just to make sure wins are right and they were. Unlike you, I have no reason to lie about random stats and definitely seems like now your winning percentages are just pulled from your ass(like most of your material).
Lol op just got owned.

[Prometheus]

OP can't get over the fact that Jordan is the greatest. It tortures his soul

[aj1987]

Lets not forget that Ordan made the PO's on teams with 38, 30, and 40 wins.

[3ball]

Jordan: 85 Bucks(59), 86 Celtics(67), 87 Cetics(59), 88 Cavs(42),
88 Pistons(54), 89 Cavs(57), 89 Knicks(52), 89 Pistons(63), 90 Bucks(44), 90 Sixers(53), 90 Pistons(59), 91 Knicks(39), 91 Sixers(44), 91 Pistons(50), 91 Lakers(58), 92 Heat(38), 92 Knicks(51), 92 Cavs(57), 92 Blazers(57), 93 Hawks(43), 93 Cavs(54), 93 Knicks(60), 93 Suns(62), 95 Hornets(50), 95 Magic(57), 96 Heat(42), 96 Knicks(47), 96 Magic(60), 96 Sonics(64), 97 Bullets(44), 97 Hawks(56), 97 Heat(61), 97 Jazz(64), 98 Nets(43), 98 Hornets(51), 98 Pacers(58), 98 Jazz(62).

Lebron: 06 Wizards(42), 06 Pistons(64), 07 Wizards(41), 07 Nets(41), 07 Pistons(53), 07 Spurs(58), 08 Wizards(43), 08 Celtics(66), 09 Pistons(39), 09 Hawks(47), 09 Magic(59), 10 Bulls(41), 10 Celtics(50), 11 Sixers(41), 11 Celtics(56), 11 Bulls(62), 11 Mavs(57), 12 Knicks(45 pace), 12 Pacers(52 Pace), 12 Celtics(48 Pace), 12 Thunder(58 pace), 13 Bucks(38), 13 Bulls(45), 13 Pacers(49) 13 Spurs(58), 14 Hornets(43), 14 Nets(44), 14 Pacers(56), 14 Spurs(62), 15 Celtics(40), 15 Bulls(50), 15 Hawks(60), 15 Warriors(67), 16 Pistons(44), 16 Hawks(48), 16 Raptors(56), 16 Warriors(73)

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Your data shows that Jordan faced a team with under 50 wins only 8 times in 37 playoff series, compared to 18 of 37 for LeBron.

So Jordan faced teams with FAR better records - my calculation shows that Jordan's teams had a 0.64 win percentage compared to only 0.55 for Lebron's opponents - thats massive gap.. thx for your info

[Hey Yo]

Teams padded their win totals back then due to expansion teams.

The amount of 50+ win teams is misleading.

[aj1987]

Your data shows that Jordan faced a team with under 50 wins only 8 times in 37 playoff series, compared to 18 of 37 for LeBron.

So Jordan faced teams with FAR better records - my calculation shows that Jordan's teams had a 0.64 win percentage compared to only 0.55 for Lebron's opponents - thats massive gap.. thx for your info
How do you fail this hard at basic ****ing math? :facepalm :facepalm

Lets not forget that Ordan made the PO's on teams with 38, 30, and 40 wins.