Why did Lebron shoot so much better in this year's finals than last year?

[3ball]

??

In b4 someone points out that kyrie' s goat 27 ppg as 2nd option took the pressure off lebron...

But then that would mean KYRIE is the difference between this year and last year

[MP.Trey]

He actually had reliable scoring options around him to take the pressure off.

[Ben Simmons]

Cause he's better than Jordan

[J Shuttlesworth]

He actually had reliable scoring options around him to take the pressure off.
This.

[SouBeachTalents]

Because while Jordan's scrub ass shoots 41% and wins clinching games shooting 5/19, LeBron drops 41 points back to back games and clinches the title with a triple double

[Trollsmasher]

he had a better supporting cast

however his supporting cast wasn't even better than any of MJ's 80's supporting casts and we know how poorly MJ performed with supporting casts of that quality do due his low impact style of play

[3ball]

He actually had reliable scoring options around him to take the pressure off.
Oh I see

So he isnt capable of winning the Finals while averaging 10-20 points more than his 2nd option on good efficiency like jordan always did?

Interesting.. and wow - indeed, the stats back that up

[Young X]

The fact that people actually held last year's finals against James is mind-boggling.

[MP.Trey]

Oh I see

So he isnt capable of winning the Finals while averaging 10-20 points more than his 2nd option on good efficiency like jordan always did?

Interesting.. and wow - indeed, the stats back that up
Nah but he can be the first player in NBA history to win a championship while leading both teams in all major statistical categories. The stats sure back that up.

[feyki]

Actually , he was better for 15 finals in first three games . And was terrible in second half of finals . But this year , Irving's production and some problems of The Warriors Team creates advantages for Lebron to playing much better .

One more time .. Actually , Lebron wasn't that different than previous year . He was on the much more volume but inefficient . This year was more efficient , with less volume . Main difference is defence . He was the amazing , defensively . Maybe , shoot better on longe ranges but not that much , a bit .

[3ball]

The fact that people actually held last year's finals against James is mind-boggling.
Only people who have a knowledge deficit about the game (most people) give LeBron props for those finals.

Lebron's time of possession was a preposterous 12.0 minutes per game in those finals, which was 50% higher than the regular season leader John wall's 8.2 minutes.

So that's no different than playground ball, where you give the ball to the best player and clear out for them to accumulate stats.. LeBron got a clearouts incessantly in those finals - sorry, but racking up stats via playground style isn't impressive, especially if you shoot 39% under these optimal stats padding conditions

It's all nice and good to run playground style, but you can't win that way, especially if the star is bricklaying 39%

[AirBonner]

Only people who have a knowledge deficit about the game (most people) give LeBron props for those finals.

Lebron's time of possession was a preposterous 12.0 minutes per game in those finals, which was 50% higher than the regular season leader John wall's 8.2 minutes.

So that's no different than playground ball, where you give the ball to the best player and clear out for them to accumulate stats.. LeBron got a clearouts incessantly in those finals - sorry, but racking up stats via playground style isn't impressive, especially if you shoot 39% under these optimal stats padding conditions

It's all nice and good to run playground style, but you can't win that way, especially if the star is bricklaying 39%
But HE DID win get the hell over it. Jordan is the king of stat padding. Don't even bring that up

[3ball]

Nah but he can be the first player in NBA history to win a championship while leading both teams in all major statistical categories. The stats sure back that up.
Lebron's 30/11/9 included 4.5 turnovers, while jordan's 36/7/8 in 91-93' Finals had 3.4 turnovers.

The 1.1 turnover gap erases lebron's 0.7 assist advantage, which means the comparison boils down to lebron's 4 defensive rebs versus Jordan's 6 point advantage on better efficiency.

Obviously, Jordan's 6 points is worth more - LeBron would be on a whole nother level if he averaged 6 more points on better efficiency.

[JebronLames]

His back was feeling much better. He was more hurt last year than curry this year, but nobody knows about it because LeBron doesn't make excuses.

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron's 30/11/9 included 4.5 turnovers, while jordan's 36/7/8 in 91-93' Finals had 3.4 turnovers.

The 1.1 turnover gap erases lebron's 0.7 assist advantage, which means the comparison boils down to lebron's 4 defensive rebs versus Jordan's 6 point advantage on better efficiency.

Obviously, Jordan's 6 points is worth more - LeBron would be on a whole nother level if he averaged 6 more points on better efficiency.
Poor trainwreck, you really gonna spend the rest of your life melting bro? I feel for you man, hopefully you can get past your condition. :rolleyes:

[warriorfan]

Golden State's three best defenders: Draymond Green(team's best defender), Andrew Bogut(team's only rim protector), and Andre Iguodala(prior year's FMVP) were all out of commission due to injury or suspension under dubious circumstances. The team that LeBron beat in the Finals does not accurately represent the record setting team that won 73 games during the regular season.

Coincidentally, LeBron was only able to score in volume and efficiency in the last 3 games, when GS were missing their 3 best defensive players. (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2016-nba-finals-cavaliers-vs-warriors.html)

[Hey Yo]

Oh I see

So he isnt capable of winning the Finals while averaging 10-20 points more than his 2nd option on good efficiency like jordan always did?

Interesting.. and wow - indeed, the stats back that up
Jordan was able to concentrate on offense while his All-NBA Defense 2nd option teammate guarded the opposing teams best player.

See the 1991 Finals for example:

At first, Head Coach Phil Jackson designated Jordan to guard Johnson, with relief help from Pippen.


"It's tough to guard Magic and then go down and be expected to carry the load offensively," Jordan said following the series opener. "It's a challenge, but I have to do it."

However, things changed in Game 2 when the Bulls discovered a new defensive stopper. Pippen switched over onto Johnson after Jordan picked up his second personal foul in the first quarter and did an outstanding job on the Lakers' star, pestering him into 4-for-13 shooting.

[QUOTE]

[Screamin A Smit]

Golden State's three best defenders: Draymond Green(team's best defender), Andrew Bogut(team's only rim protector), and Andre Iguodala(prior year's FMVP) were all out of commission due to injury or suspension under dubious circumstances. The team that LeBron beat in the Finals does not accurately represent the record setting team that won 73 games during the regular season.

Coincidentally, LeBron was only able to score in volume and efficiency in the last 3 games, when GS were missing their 3 best defensive players. (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2016-nba-finals-cavaliers-vs-warriors.html)


Yep, the duo Lebron and Thompson were so physical just punishing Bogut and Iggy all series and they just couldn't stay healthy. Not to mention Curry is always hurt and Draymond was so dumb acquiring 7 techs

Hopefully next year they'll train to stay healthy and not fight for seasonal records

good point, is there a rep button?

[kamil]

But HE DID win get the hell over it. Jordan is the king of stat padding. Don't even bring that up

LOL, so salty. Just because LeBron* is the greatest finals loser of all time doesn't mean you gotta cry all the time.

Shut the **** up, get over it and grow a pair.

[Screamin A Smit]

LOL, so salty. Just because LeBron* is the greatest finals loser of all time doesn't mean you gotta cry all the time.

Shut the **** up, get over it and grow a pair.

no offense but you look the one mad typing "shut the eff up" maing

[bdreason]

What were LeBron's shooting %'s in the first 4 games before DrayGod got suspended and Iggy and Bogut got hurt? Honest question.

[tpols]

What were LeBron's shooting %'s in the first 4 games before DrayGod got suspended and Iggy and Bogut got hurt? Honest question.


Games 1-4

53 TS
103 ORTG

Games 5-7

59 TS
126 ORTG

[Screamin A Smit]

Games 1-4

53 TS
103 ORTG

Games 5-7

59 TS
126 ORTG

good stuff

Lebron is a beast either way :applause:

[TheWinningFam]

Kyrie and love were hurt in game 7

[inclinerator]

y is op obsessed with lebron

[HylianNightmare]

His 2nd optio wasn't delly

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=Hey Yo]Jordan was able to concentrate on offense while his All-NBA Defense 2nd option teammate guarded the opposing teams best player.

See the 1991 Finals for example:

At first, Head Coach Phil Jackson designated Jordan to guard Johnson, with relief help from Pippen.



However, things changed in Game 2 when the Bulls discovered a new defensive stopper. Pippen switched over onto Johnson after Jordan picked up his second personal foul in the first quarter and did an outstanding job on the Lakers' star, pestering him into 4-for-13 shooting.



The Bulls dropped the opening game in Chicago, ([I]with MJ guarding Magic) but wouldn

[3ball]

3ball avoiding this for obvious reasons.

completely ruined
No need to address it because it's common knowledge and observable fact that Jordan guarded magic for 14 if 20 quarters (70%) to pippen' s 6 of 20 quarters (30%).

Specifically, pippen didnt guard magic at all in games 1 and 5, and only guarded him for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters of game 2, the 2nd and 3rd quarters of game 3, and the last 4 minutes of game 4 - that's 6 of 20 quarters (30%), compared to 14 of 20 for mj (and also the entire game 3 OT)

[Hey Yo]

Obviously Horace saw it differently


If I had a vote in that first championship for MVP it would have been Scottie. He brought his whole game and everyone could see. The way he played Magic and made him turn and turn and turn and made him work like that was the difference, especially after we lost the first game."
--Horace Grant




Guarding Magic for only 6 of a 20 quarters (allegedly) doesn't warrant the quote above.

[3ball]

Obviously Horace saw it differently


--Horace Grant




Guarding Magic for only 6 of a 20 quarters (allegedly) doesn't warrant the quote above.
1991 was Michael's greatest finals, easily.. so you should know that horace was throwing Scottie a bone for the casual fan.

Pippen only guarded magic for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters of game 2, the 2nd and 3rd quarters of game 3, and the last 4 minutes of game 4 - that's less than 6 quarters

Jordan held magic down the remaining 14 of 20 quarters - this is observable fact and also common knowledge.
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[Hey Yo]

1991 was Michael's greatest finals, easily.. so you should know that horace was throwing Scottie a bone for the casual fan.
:oldlol: Of course you would say that. Exactly what someone in denial would say.


Pippen only guarded magic for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters of game 2, the 2nd and 3rd quarters of game 3, and the last 4 minutes of game 4 - that's less than 6 quarters

Jordan held magic down the remaining 14 of 20 quarters - this is observable fact and also common knowledge.

I'll trust a teammate with no dog in the fight over a MJ sack hanger like yourself.


If I had a vote in that first championship for MVP it would have been Scottie. He brought his whole game and everyone could see. The way he played Magic and made him turn and turn and turn and made him work like that was the difference, especially after we lost the first game."
--Horace Grant



Like I said.....MJ was able to concentrate more on offense while Scottie carried the defensive load.

James didn't have that luxury in 2015.... but was able to balance out offense and defense more in 2016 with great offensive help from Kyrie at times.


"Jordan always felt Pippen was something special. Michael realized how easy it was to play with him and how he helped make his teammates better. It's often said Jordan needed Pippen and Pippen needed Jordan. I'm not sure Jordan didn't need Pippen more than Pippen needed Jordan."
--Tex Winter

[3ball]

:oldlol: Of course you would say that. Exactly what someone in denial would say.


That's what EVERYONE says, including horace.. youtube his Hot 97 interview from 2015 - the ENTIRE interview is about mj and he says mj carried the team on his back - horace says his career would be nothing without mj.





MJ was able to concentrate more on offense while Scottie carried the defensive load.


So why did mj guard magic for 14 of 20 quarters, compared to only 6 of 20 for pippen?

Pippen didnt guard magic AT ALL in games 1 and 5, and only guarded him for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters of game 2, the 2nd and 3rd quarters of game 3, and the last 4 minutes of game 4.

Thats only 6 quarters - those are the facts, but keep deluding yourself otherwise.. It's a free country

[Hey Yo]

That's what EVERYONE says, including horace.. youtube his Hot 97 interview from 2015 - the ENTIRE interview is about mj and he says mj carried the team on his back - horace says his career would be nothing without mj.
Riiiiiiiiiiight. Did the interview mention the 91 Finals? Is that here his quote came from saying he would've givin' Pippen the FMVP?


So why did mj guard magic for 14 of 20 quarters, compared to only 6 of 20 for pippen?
He didn't. If MJ did, then Grant would have no reason to say this about Scottie:


If I had a vote in that first championship for MVP it would have been Scottie. He brought his whole game and everyone could see. The way he played Magic and made him turn and turn and turn and made him work like that was the difference, especially after we lost the first game."




Pippen didnt guard magic AT ALL in games 1 and 5, and only guarded him for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters of game 2, the 2nd and 3rd quarters of game 3, and the last 4 minutes of game 4.

Thats only 6 quarters - those are the facts, but keep deluding yourself otherwise.. It's a free country
The only facts you wrote was that Pippen didn't guard Magic in game 1. The game that MJ guarded Magic and the Bulls lost.

Scottie gets the assignment shortly after game 2 starts and Chicago goes on for the back door sweep after realizing a new defensive stopper has been found.

LeBron didn't have that luxury in 2015 or 16