Slave trade in Africa (PBS show)

[Jasper]

A couple nights ago , I was watching a PBS show , about Africa , the slave trade , commerce etc.. .

I was a little surprised about the origins of the slave trade , lasting 400 years and was a triangle Atlantic sea faring money maker.
Africans selling other Africans , not whites , because the government of the country knew this was huge money maker.

Average male slave went for $600-1400.. In todays money it would be around $9000-14000.
Back then the African continent made close to a billion dollars.
So my question is what did they do with the money to make it one of the poorest countrys on the planet ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

[MMM]

Les ennemis de l'Afrique ce sont les Africains

[9erempiree]

It's called corruption and there is a reason why it's 2016 and it is still 3rd world. This is what happens when you sell off your countrymen as slaves. In turn, it made it widely acceptable for them to be known as slaves.

They were the original when it comes to 'selling out' their own people, hence the term.

[NumberSix]

Many people are saying that Africa is NOT a country, but a collection of many countries.

[JtotheIzzo]

Some parts of Africa are much better off than others.

South Africa (thank you, whitey) is well advanced (despite Jacob Zuma's best efforts to reverse that. Arab Africa was, until the last few years, developing nicely (relatively speaking). Kenya, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Angola are some of the better black African countries in terms of per capita rankings, while Nigeria and Sudan have large (relative) economies.

Africa is a diverse continent and not all countries are equal, some much further along than others.

However, until corruption can get under control things can never change, but the continent is so rife with tribalism, ridiculous superstitions and beliefs that it will take several generations to sort it out.

I honestly think if many countries went down the colonial path a bit longer before becoming independent they'd be in a better spot today.

Colonialists left many countries to corrupt politicians who are still f*cking things up today.

[Nick Young]

I was a little surprised about the origins of the slave trade , lasting 400 years and was a triangle Atlantic sea faring money maker.
Africans selling other Africans , not whites , because the government of the country knew this was huge money maker.
Why were you surprised like this? Africans and Arabs were practicing slavery far longer than Europeans have been.

Africans were the ones trading their own people in exchange for money and goods. They are equally responsible for the slave trade as Americans and Europeans were.

[MMM]

Some parts of Africa are much better off than others.

South Africa (thank you, whitey) is well advanced (despite Jacob Zuma's best efforts to reverse that. Arab Africa was, until the last few years, developing nicely (relatively speaking). Kenya, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Angola are some of the better black African countries in terms of per capita rankings, while Nigeria and Sudan have large (relative) economies.

Africa is a diverse continent and not all countries are equal, some much further along than others.

However, until corruption can get under control things can never change, but the continent is so rife with tribalism, ridiculous superstitions and beliefs that it will take several generations to sort it out.

I honestly think if many countries went down the colonial path a bit longer before becoming independent they'd be in a better spot today.

Colonialists left many countries to corrupt politicians who are still f*cking things up today.

if the colonialist powers were still leaving corrupt politician who ultimately ****ed up the progress of renaming under colonial rule then why would it matter how long colonial rule lasted????

A country like Ethiopia for example wasn't colonized at all yet is headed for civil war largely due to foreign involvement and backing their current corrupt leaders receive.

[UK2K]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/African_slave_trade.png


The exploration of Sub-Saharan Africa begins with the Age of Discovery in the 15th century, pioneered by kingdom of posts along the coast while they were actively exploring and colonizing the New World. Exploration of the interior of Africa was thus mostly left to the Arab slave traders, who in tandem with the Muslim conquest of the Sudan established far-reaching networks and supported the economy of a number of Sahelian kingdoms during the 15th to 18th centuries.

As you can see.... slavery in Africa was going on a long ****ing time before they ever met a white man. It was big business then, still is now. Except nobody cares about it now.

[Nick Young]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/African_slave_trade.png



As you can see.... slavery in Africa was going on a long ****ing time before they ever met a white man. It was big business then, still is now. Except nobody cares about it now.
Yep.

No one talks about it, no one cares, and African nations don't seem to have any shame over their past as slavers, considering that they haven't done a thing to put an end to it. Slavery is still rampant all across the continent.

https://images.washingtonpost.com/?url=http://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/10/slavery-per-capita-map-wo-arrows.jpg&w=1484&op=resize&opt=1&filter=antialias

[Akrazotile]

Some parts of Africa are much better off than others.

South Africa (thank you, whitey) is well advanced (despite Jacob Zuma's best efforts to reverse that. Arab Africa was, until the last few years, developing nicely (relatively speaking). Kenya, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Angola are some of the better black African countries in terms of per capita rankings, while Nigeria and Sudan have large (relative) economies.

Africa is a diverse continent and not all countries are equal, some much further along than others.

However, until corruption can get under control things can never change, but the continent is so rife with tribalism, ridiculous superstitions and beliefs that it will take several generations to sort it out.

I honestly think if many countries went down the colonial path a bit longer before becoming independent they'd be in a better spot today.

Colonialists left many countries to corrupt politicians who are still f*cking things up today.

https://s4.postimg.io/p0x7fzrvh/regional_population_projections_centered_legend.pn g

African will see a population increase OF FOUR BILLION PEOPLE by the end of this century.

Do you think this is good for the environment and general quality of life? Or nah?

[9erempiree]

Why were you surprised like this? Africans and Arabs were practicing slavery far longer than Europeans have been.

Africans were the ones trading their own people in exchange for money and goods. They are equally responsible for the slave trade as Americans and Europeans were.

Don't get me started on the Arab Slave Trade.

It's still going on and a thriving economy.

[TheWinningFam]

Was hitler ''enslaving his own people'' during the holocaust? :confusedshrug:

[97 bulls]

Yep.

No one talks about it, no one cares, and African nations don't seem to have any shame over their past as slavers, considering that they haven't done a thing to put an end to it. Slavery is still rampant all across the continent.

https://images.washingtonpost.com/?url=http://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/10/slavery-per-capita-map-wo-arrows.jpg&w=1484&op=resize&opt=1&filter=antialias
No one ever argued about whether or not there was slavery in Africa. But it was NOTHING like chattel slavery that the European put on the African

[Nick Young]

No one ever argued about whether or not there was slavery in Africa. But it was NOTHING like chattel slavery that the European put on the African
The Africans worked alongside Europeans in order to enslave other Africans.

Who do you think was gathering the slaves? African slavers.

If Africans weren't selling their own people out, Europeans would not have had anything to trade for.

Don't forget that Africans were the ones who introduced the idea of black slavery in Europe as well when they traded slaves to the Portuguese explorers in exchange for gold and weapons.

[TheWinningFam]

The Africans worked alongside Europeans in order to enslave other Africans.

Who do you think was gathering the slaves? African slavers.

If Africans weren't selling their own people out, Europeans would not have had anything to trade for.

Don't forget that Africans were the ones who introduced the idea of black slavery in Europe as well when they traded slaves to the Portuguese explorers in exchange for gold and weapons.
You're acting like this justifies the treatment of blacks in the european slave trade.

[Nick Young]

You're acting like this justifies the treatment of blacks in the european slave trade.
No I'm not. Stop projecting and strawmanning.

Nothing justifies slavery.

I am just making it clear that white people are not entirely to blame for the African slave trade. African slave traders were equally complicit.

#facts
#history
#reality

[TheWinningFam]

No I'm not. Stop projecting and strawmanning.

Nothing justifies slavery.

I am just making it clear that white people are not entirely to blame for the African slave trade. African slave traders were equally complicit.

#facts
#history
#reality

It's worse because you're the one buying and facilitating it, Noone forced you to buy captured enemies lol.

We also know that those slaves suffered way worse treatment under the Caucasoid hands than their capture's.

[Nick Young]

It's worse because you're the one buying and facilitating it, Noone forced you to buy captured enemies lol.

We also know that those slaves suffered way worse treatment under the Caucasoid hands than their capture's.
What have I bought? What have I done?:hammerhead:

While this slave trade was happening, my people were getting pogromed by Cossacks:hammerhead:



We also know that those slaves suffered way worse treatment under the Caucasoid hands than their capture's
Do we? Please provide examples and sources. So you are trying to make the argument that Africans were benevolent slavers or something?:banghead:

[Jasper]

Appreciate the posts ,, but I am assuming no one knows where all the African money went. :rolleyes:

*Basically I am older than most of you , but I grew up understanding that America was responsible for the slave trade , and use of slavery... because of our history.
But if Africa did not promote slavery , I have to wonder what would have happened to America without slavery :confusedshrug:

Interesting thought hummm

[Nick Young]

Appreciate the posts ,, but I am assuming no one knows where all the African money went. :rolleyes:

*Basically I am older than most of you , but I grew up understanding that America was responsible for the slave trade , and use of slavery... because of our history.
But if Africa did not promote slavery , I have to wonder what would have happened to America without slavery :confusedshrug:

Interesting thought hummm
The north functioned fine without slavery. If there was no slavery, the south simply would have adapted and flourished under the same system as the north. Slavery actually held our nation back a few decades at least.

I wish slavery had never have happened at all.

[TheWinningFam]

What have I bought? What have I done?:hammerhead:

While this slave trade was happening, my people were getting pogromed by Cossacks:hammerhead:
It doesn't matter, you benefit from a system of white supremacy and deny it's existence, and that's the problem.




Do we? Please provide examples and sources. So you are trying to make the argument that Africans were benevolent slavers or something?:banghead:

For one, blacks in americas were bred like rabbits. This was not the case in africa. https://jubiloemancipationcentury.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/birthing-a-slave-reproduction-and-inhumanity-during-americas-slavery-era/
Also read this book if you haven't already. even tho you probably wont, :confusedshrug:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom%27s_Cabin

[JtotheIzzo]

https://s4.postimg.io/p0x7fzrvh/regional_population_projections_centered_legend.pn g

African will see a population increase OF FOUR BILLION PEOPLE by the end of this century.

Do you think this is good for the environment and general quality of life? Or nah?

Its horrible, it will be poverty, despair and disease like we have never seen.

China is setting up shop in Africa like we have never seen, my guess is their manufacturing base will over the next fifty years be moved there, putting this large population to use, but unfortunately for Africa (as with much of its history) they will not be owners of their 'prosperity' (which will be an ugly industrialized one akin to China's).

Africans will continue as slaves, this time economic ones, and the only way to break the chain is to revolt, destroy it all and start again (which will perpetually be their only way to ownership).

Africa is in a catch 22 of continental proportions that they may never escape.

[Nick Young]

It doesn't matter, you benefit from a system of white supremacy and deny it's existence, and that's the problem.

You are irrational and idiotic.

[JtotheIzzo]

if the colonialist powers were still leaving corrupt politician who ultimately ****ed up the progress of renaming under colonial rule then why would it matter how long colonial rule lasted????

A country like Ethiopia for example wasn't colonized at all yet is headed for civil war largely due to foreign involvement and backing their current corrupt leaders receive.

I guess I wasn't making a complete point. Perhaps another generation would lead to more stability and a larger infrastructure and bureaucracy that would be more stable and less prone to corruption. African countries broke off at incomplete points, and instead of taking over something stable the prosperity that the colonials had created (largely for themselves) was lost instead of handed over.

[Nick Young]

I guess I wasn't making a complete point. Perhaps another generation would lead to more stability and a larger infrastructure and bureaucracy that would be more stable and less prone to corruption. African countries broke off at incomplete points, and instead of taking over something stable the prosperity that the colonials had created (largely for themselves) was lost instead of handed over.
the soft bigotry of low expectations...

[TheWinningFam]

You are irrational and idiotic.
Resorting to ad homs in a political debate means i won.. anything else you'd like to add about the topic?

[Nick Young]

Resorting to ad homs in a political debate means i won.. anything else you'd like to add about the topic?
That means I already won several posts ago as soon as you used ad-hominem attacks referring to me as a "white supremacist":hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

another dem hoisted by their own petard.

[TheWinningFam]

That means I already won several posts ago as soon as you used ad-hominem attacks referring to me as a "white supremacist":hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

another dem hoisted by their own petard.

First of all i said you're a suspected white supremacist, I never declared you one, But your statements and opinions have a strong correlation with ones of a white supremacist.
Suspected-have an idea or impression of the existence, presence, or truth of (something) without certain proof.

Just now you assumed i'm a democrat because i dont agree with some of your views that i feel to be twisted, Kinda like how every black person that points out police corruption is a ''BLM member that is scum''
Spit common white supremacist rhetoric and claim not to be one brehs.

[Nick Young]

First of all i said you're a suspected white supremacist, I never declared you one, But your statements and opinions have a strong correlation with ones of a white supremacist.
Suspected-have an idea or impression of the existence, presence, or truth of (something) without certain proof.
[/I]


ad hominem
You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.

Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.

Example: After Sally presents an eloquent and compelling case for a more equitable taxation system, Sam asks the audience whether we should believe anything from a woman who isn't married, was once arrested, and smells a bit weird.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem


strawman
You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack.

By exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating someone's argument, it's much easier to present your own position as being reasonable, but this kind of dishonesty serves to undermine honest rational debate.

Example: After Will said that we should put more money into health and education, Warren responded by saying that he was surprised that Will hates our country so much that he wants to leave it defenceless by cutting military spending.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

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[TheWinningFam]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

https://66.media.tumblr.com/8cd9b2ec99015f6c45206dc3858e9ba1/tumblr_ncvkcjCDG31sodwato1_400.gif

The difference is i'm pointing out my accusations with facts and receipts while you're calling people idiots because they're owning you in a discussion.

[UK2K]

It doesn't matter, you benefit from a system of white supremacy and deny it's existence, and that's the problem.





For one, blacks in americas were bred like rabbits. This was not the case in africa. https://jubiloemancipationcentury.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/birthing-a-slave-reproduction-and-inhumanity-during-americas-slavery-era/
Also read this book if you haven't already. even tho you probably wont, :confusedshrug:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom%27s_Cabin
They do that NOW on their own...

[Dresta]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/African_slave_trade.png



As you can see.... slavery in Africa was going on a long ****ing time before they ever met a white man. It was big business then, still is now. Except nobody cares about it now.
It still dumbfounds me with how people confound slavery with the American South. Slavery was the norm all throughout the world until very recently. Now the same kind of people just use Mexicans, migrants, and outsourcing to perform the same kind of function. Probably costs less than slavery too tbh.

We are not so superior.

[Dresta]

It doesn't matter, you benefit from a system of white supremacy and deny it's existence, and that's the problem.





For one, blacks in americas were bred like rabbits. This was not the case in africa. https://jubiloemancipationcentury.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/birthing-a-slave-reproduction-and-inhumanity-during-americas-slavery-era/
Also read this book if you haven't already. even tho you probably wont, :confusedshrug:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom%27s_Cabin
lol, Uncle Tom's Cabin was a propaganda tract not a fictionalisation of real history.