How come Boozer couldnt thrive on Cleveland?

[tpols]

why couldn't Carlos have more success on the Cavaliers? he started 125+ games for Cleveland, nothin much happened .. when he went to utah however, very quickly the team was playoff bound with boozer as their lead scorer.. Hell, Boozer dropped a very respectable line of 24/12/3 , 54% shooting in his first playoff run (which spanned 3 series).

Of course booze was playing with Deron Williams at the time who was a scary, forgotten talent.. compared a lot to chris paul coming up.. but damn, why couldnt Cleveland squeeze any success out of this talent they had early on?

[BigKAT]

why couldn't Carlos have more success on the Cavaliers? he started 125+ games for Cleveland, nothin much happened .. when he went to utah however, very quickly the team was playoff bound with boozer as their lead scorer.. Hell, Boozer dropped a very respectable line of 24/12/3 , 54% shooting in his first playoff run (which spanned 3 series).

Of course booze was playing with Deron Williams at the time who was a scary, forgotten talent.. compared a lot to chris paul coming up.. but damn, why couldnt Cleveland squeeze any success out of this talent they had early on?

You made me sad.

Deron Williams. What the hell happened to that?
Just shows you what a bad business decision can do to a player's career. If he stayed in Utah, we might've been talking about him very differently right now.

[Hey Yo]

Why didn't they squeeze any success out of him???

They had him for 2 seasons and then tried to sign him to an extension. He lied to them and bolted.

What were they suppose to do?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Crazy how much his numbers went up playing with LeBron his second season.

[NBAGOAT]

jerry sloan knows how to use scoring big men. That flex offense and use of pnr's really allows them to thrive. Even Millsap and Big Al did well after he left.

[Young X]

Williams was also an excellent passer. For a player like Boozer you can't underestimate playing with a great passer who wants to feed you the ball at all times.

[warriorfan]

You already know why

[Noyze]

why couldn't Carlos have more success on the Cavaliers? he started 125+ games for Cleveland, nothin much happened .. when he went to utah however, very quickly the team was playoff bound with boozer as their lead scorer.. Hell, Boozer dropped a very respectable line of 24/12/3 , 54% shooting in his first playoff run (which spanned 3 series).

Of course booze was playing with Deron Williams at the time who was a scary, forgotten talent.. compared a lot to chris paul coming up.. but damn, why couldnt Cleveland squeeze any success out of this talent they had early on?

The **** is this thread? This is like saying "why couldn't DRose win MVP in his 2nd year instead of his 3rd?" He only played 2 seasons there and improved both years putting up 15 & 10 in his last year. He told Cleveland he'd come back, but decided to leave for more money supposedly. He got better by default of getting more playing time. You said he went to Utah and very quickly became successful which is false, I remember fans booing him because he was often injured his first 2 years. Utah was a better team then Cleveland at the time but Boozer didn't thrive until his 3rd year there.

If this is a LeBron hate agenda thread, they only played together one year.

[Akrazotile]

Boozer was too intimidated playing with someone like Lebron who has a beautiful, natural, god-like hairline.

He had to go join Deron Williams who taught him how to apply shoe polish to his dome, allowing him to actually keep his focus on the game.

[RRR3]

Pitiful what OP has been reduced to after LeBron surpassed his loverboy in FMVP's :yaohappy:

[tpols]

Boozer was too intimidated playing with someone like Lebron who has a beautiful, natural, god-like hairline.

He had to go join Deron Williams who taught him how to apply shoe polish to his dome, allowing him to actually keep his focus on the game.

:lol

they both have glorious shape up games


http://www.rantsports.com/nba/files/2014/09/Carlos-Boozer-Utah-Jazz-Deron-Williams-D-Will-Best-Power-Forwards.jpg

[ShawkFactory]

He was pretty damn good for a second year player in the league.

16/11 on 57 TS% and a 21 PER.

They then fvcked up when trying to resign him. Or whatever the hell happened. :confusedshrug:

[RedBlackAttack]

He most definitely thrived. For a second round pick to put up 16 points and 11+ rebounds at 22-years-old isn't thriving?

He tricked the organization into letting go of his rights and his agent immediately set up a deal with Utah. Stupid and naive by the Cavs to allow it to happen, but it was a shock when he bolted.

He was looked at as a legitimate #2 guy with LeBron for the next decade-plus.

[RRR3]

RBA, do you guys still hate Boozer or is he not relevant enough to care about?

[FatComputerNerd]

He Boozered us.

All of Cleveland hated him for quite some time after that. I'm sure many still do.

[RedBlackAttack]

RBA, do you guys still hate Boozer or is he not relevant enough to care about?
It is pretty much forgotten about now, especially with the championship. He's no longer relevant enough to care one way or the other.

But, for a long time, he was a real villain in Cleveland for doing what he did.

[RRR3]

It is pretty much forgotten about now, especially with the championship. He's no longer relevant enough to care one way or the other.

But, for a long time, he was a real villain in Cleveland for doing what he did.
Yeah, but maybe it all worked out in the end. If he hadn't left, maybe LeBron never leaves, in which case no Kyrie and no 2016 chip. Weird how things work out.

[ILLsmak]

why couldn't Carlos have more success on the Cavaliers? he started 125+ games for Cleveland, nothin much happened .. when he went to utah however, very quickly the team was playoff bound with boozer as their lead scorer.. Hell, Boozer dropped a very respectable line of 24/12/3 , 54% shooting in his first playoff run (which spanned 3 series).

Of course booze was playing with Deron Williams at the time who was a scary, forgotten talent.. compared a lot to chris paul coming up.. but damn, why couldnt Cleveland squeeze any success out of this talent they had early on?

Boozer was one of the most empty stats players I've ever seen. It's funny because... his stats were complicated and empty. He'd ball out, but in the end, he'd not be good enough. I rememember HOU vs UTA and he was wetting Yao Ming, but every year he'd come up against the LAL front court and get smushed.

I know I've posted this many times, but Boozer was a 20 10 guy who was kinda garbage. I can't think of another player who looked so good statistically and was so mediocre in actual practice.

-Smak

[RedBlackAttack]

Yeah, but maybe it all worked out in the end. If he hadn't left, maybe LeBron never leaves, in which case no Kyrie and no 2016 chip. Weird how things work out.
Everything worked out, you're right. I can't complain.

But, just on a personal level, it was a pretty sh!tty thing to do. Boozer and his agent out-and-out lied to the organization and it led to his skipping town, when the Cavs could have just retained his rights until he was a free agent.

No way would that have happened under Dan Gilbert's ownership, btw.

[IllegalD]

For the same reasons Bosh struggled on the Heat and Love is now struggling on the Cavs.

LeBronball destroys all-star PF's games because they are relegated to being spot-up 3 point shooters instead of getting the ball in their sweetspots.

[tpols]

Boozer was one of the most empty stats players I've ever seen. It's funny because... his stats were complicated and empty. He'd ball out, but in the end, he'd not be good enough. I rememember HOU vs UTA and he was wetting Yao Ming, but every year he'd come up against the LAL front court and get smushed.

I know I've posted this many times, but Boozer was a 20 10 guy who was kinda garbage. I can't think of another player who looked so good statistically and was so mediocre in actual practice.

-Smak

yea defensively he wasn't that good .. kinda stubby, but i was shocked at his playoff numbers with the jazz.. 20/13/3 on 50+% shooting over 44 games from '07 to '10.. never really looked into them, but yea if you look at his ortg and drtg, as time went on his defense got so bad it completely eclipsed his offense.

[RRR3]

For the same reasons Bosh struggled on the Heat and Love is now struggling on the Cavs.

LeBronball destroys all-star PF's games because they are relegated to being spot-up 3 point shooters instead of getting the ball in their sweetspots.
:facepalm Boozer played one year with LeBron (rookie LeBron, at that) and his stats increased significantly from his own rookie season. Bosh and Love are the 3rd options! They don't have enough possessions to score like they did as the first option. When Wade was injured in 2012, Bosh was averaging ~25 PPG as LeBron's second option. Boo-boo-boo-buh-buh-buh! :cry:

[aj1987]

For the same reasons Howard struggled on the Lakers and Bynum is now out of the league.

Chuckbe ball destroys all-star C's games because they are relegated to being spot-up 3 point shooters and brick catchers instead of getting the ball in their sweetspots.
Agreed. :cheers:


You made me sad.

Deron Williams. What the hell happened to that?
Just shows you what a bad business decision can do to a player's career. If he stayed in Utah, we might've been talking about him very differently right now.

Deron Williams at the time who was a scary, forgotten talent.. compared a lot to chris paul coming up
Damn! Deron would've been among the ATG PG's, if he was healthy. SMH! What injuries do to amazingly talented players... :facepalm

[RedBlackAttack]

For the same reasons Bosh struggled on the Heat and Love is now struggling on the Cavs.

LeBronball destroys all-star PF's games because they are relegated to being spot-up 3 point shooters instead of getting the ball in their sweetspots.
LeBron and Love like to operate from some of the same areas of the floor, so there's definitely a little redundancy in their games, although they obviously play nothing alike.

Love is a beast from the elbow and the Cavs have slowly begun to put sets in the offense utilizing his skill as a scorer and playmaker from that position, there are only so many possessions in a game and LeBron/Kyrie are going to get the majority of the offense run through them. Then, you have the fact that LeBron often either is at the elbow himself or in a position that requires a player vacate that area of the floor.

Love is also a pretty talented low post player, but LeBron and Kyrie are so good at getting to the hoop that mucking up the lane trying to get a post feed isn't something they can run unless he's actually going to get the ball and do something with it. He can't just hang around down there and take advantage of defensive opportunities like he did in Minny.

But, at the end of the day, keep in mind that this will actually be the first offseason, training camp and postseason that this core group of players will have healthy and together under a coach not on the hot seat. There is room for Kevin Love's game on this roster. It is just going to take a little more time to develop the right sets, tempo, etc. than it did for, say, LeBron and Kyrie to learn how to play together.

It isn't that strange that LeBron has clashed offensively with two really talented PFs over the last six years, because James is slowly turning into a 4. He still prefers to play on the perimeter and PFs do that much more often now than they used to, but as James ages and his speed and explosiveness start to fade, you'll see him move more and more to the PF spot from the wing.

It's funny but, when that happens, it might actually open up more opportunities for Love working around the middle of the floor and more freedom of movement on the perimeter setting up screens and maybe actually playmaking for LeBron than he has currently.

[aj1987]

LeBron and Love like to operate from some of the same areas of the floor, so there's definitely a little redundancy in their games, although they obviously play nothing alike.

Love is a beast from the elbow and the Cavs have slowly begun to put sets in the offense utilizing his skill as a scorer and playmaker from that position, there are only so many possessions in a game and LeBron/Kyrie are going to get the majority of the offense run through them. Then, you have the fact that LeBron often either is at the elbow himself or in a position that requires a player vacate that area of the floor.

Love is also a pretty talented low post player, but LeBron and Kyrie are so good at getting to the hoop that mucking up the lane trying to get a post feed isn't something they can run unless he's actually going to get the ball and do something with it. He can't just hang around down there and take advantage of defensive opportunities like he did in Minny.

But, at the end of the day, keep in mind that this will actually be the first offseason, training camp and postseason that this core group of players will have healthy and together under a coach not on the hot seat. There is room for Kevin Love's game on this roster. It is just going to take a little more time to develop the right sets, tempo, etc. than it did for, say, LeBron and Kyrie to learn how to play together.

It isn't that strange that LeBron has clashed offensively with two really talented PFs over the last six years, because James is slowly turning into a 4. He still prefers to play on the perimeter and PFs do that much more often now than they used to, but as James ages and his speed and explosiveness start to fade, you'll see him move more and more to the PF spot from the wing.

It's funny but, when that happens, it might actually open up more opportunities for Love working around the middle of the floor and more freedom of movement on the perimeter setting up screens and maybe actually playmaking for LeBron than he has currently.
Dude, you just wasted like 5-10 minutes typing that up. That guy is a blatant troll and won't even read your post. At best, he's going to come up with a "meltdown" post. Not worth it. Just ignore them or reply with troll posts. Very few people on this board are worth replaying to with an actual response.

[RedBlackAttack]

Dude, you just wasted like 5-10 minutes typing that up. That guy is a blatant troll and won't even read your post. At best, he's going to come up with a "meltdown" post. Not worth it. Just ignore them or reply with troll posts. Very few people on this board are worth replaying to with an actual response.
Meh, sometimes I just feel like picking my own brain on a topic. Plus, a troll post can generate an interesting conversation, even if it is by accident.

[ILLsmak]

yea defensively he wasn't that good .. kinda stubby, but i was shocked at his playoff numbers with the jazz.. 20/13/3 on 50+% shooting over 44 games from '07 to '10.. never really looked into them, but yea if you look at his ortg and drtg, as time went on his defense got so bad it completely eclipsed his offense.

He got numbers, but he wasn't good is what I'm saying. Or maybe the Utah team was just weird. He might have done better with a real C, but then again Okur might have given him the room to work. Maybe the biggest issue was that the Jazz were designed to go thru him like he was Karl Malone... getting him all the space necessary, and he wasn't that kind of a player.

-Smak

[Screamin A Smit]

he did, he flaked on his word to resign

[FireDavidKahn]

Because he was still new to the league and improving? Boozer would have been a great sidekick to LeBron

[RedBlackAttack]

Because he was still new to the league and improving? Boozer would have been a great sidekick to LeBron
Yeah, I'm not sure where this stuff is coming from. I'll say it again ... Boozer was a second round pick (35th overall) and he had a terrific rookie season the year before LeBron was drafted, and then he was really freaking good next to LeBron in his second season (16/11+ per game).

During a time when people in Cleveland were still hoping a Dajuan Wagner-LeBron James duo might still come together at some point, Boozer came out of nowhere and, by his second season, the Cavs were already trying to restructure his contract to compensate him for his unexpectedly high level of play.

Suddenly, Boozer was looking like LeBron's sidekick and, in the era before "Super Teams," who knows what could have happened if you toss Boozer onto those 2006-10 Cavs teams.

[jbryan1984]

He didn't really give it a chance. 2 years. He played his best years in Utah and they even to the WCF one year, 06 or 07 I think? So, you gotta wonder what a team like young LeBron, young Boozer would of done.

[G-train]

Obvious troll attempt by OP

[Bigsmoke]

He increased his numbers so what more did u want.

A Championship season led by rookie LeBron and rookie LeBron and 2nd year boozer/

[GimmeThat]

same reason as to how college coaches only end up getting certain amount of players/talent committed each season

everyone loves having people who are familiar with them to have their work cut out in half, and therefore coaches benefit from players who will play the veteran role

as to how come Boozer didn't thrive with Cleveland?

ask Shaq

[D-Wait]

Dude, you just wasted like 5-10 minutes typing that up. That guy is a blatant troll and won't even read your post.


Meh, sometimes I just feel like picking my own brain on a topic. Plus, a troll post can generate an interesting conversation, even if it is by accident.

As long as RBA has some Cavs fans like me reading his posts, he'll be fine... :pimp:

[Uncle Drew]

RBA, do you guys still hate Boozer or is he not relevant enough to care about?
Benedict Boozer is still a thing.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Cleveland probably gets to the Finals a few more times with Boozer. S.hitty defender, but they needed another scorer bad. Might have been enough to get them past Boston in 08. Boozer lied, but Cavs were crazy to take him at his word they he would re-sign. They literally waived his team option and set themselves up for what happened.

[D-Wait]

Cleveland probably gets to the Finals a few more times with Boozer. S.hitty defender, but they needed another scorer bad. Might have been enough to get them past Boston in 08. Boozer lied, but Cavs were crazy to take him at his word they he would re-sign. They literally waived his team option and set themselves up for what happened.

Wut? KG would have neutralized Boozer to a big extent... so it's basically Lebron vs. the stacked Celtics

[SilkkTheShocker]

Wut? 08 KG >>>> Boozer... so it's basically Lebron vs. the stacked Celtics

Who said Boozer>>> KG? KG was the only Big 3 member that series that consistently played well that series. He was going to beat up anyone that we put on him. Cleveland needed more scoring though, and Boozer would have at least been another option to open the floor up for more scoring.

[DingDengDong]

why couldn't Carlos have more success on the Cavaliers? he started 125+ games for Cleveland, nothin much happened .. when he went to utah however, very quickly the team was playoff bound with boozer as their lead scorer.. Hell, Boozer dropped a very respectable line of 24/12/3 , 54% shooting in his first playoff run (which spanned 3 series).

Of course booze was playing with Deron Williams at the time who was a scary, forgotten talent.. compared a lot to chris paul coming up.. but damn, why couldnt Cleveland squeeze any success out of this talent they had early on?
Do you not understand the concept of young players needing to improve? Rookies don't start at peak play. Boozer was clearly an up and coming player with Cleveland, which is why they tried to cheat the system and get him on a bigger contract, but he stabbed them in the back and left.

[D-Wait]

Who said Boozer>>> KG? KG was the only Big 3 member that series that consistently played well that series. He was going to beat up anyone that we put on him. Cleveland needed more scoring though, and Boozer would have at least been another option to open the floor up for more scoring.

Yeah I changed my answer right before your comment... actually Boozer's stats were better in the reg season, but I meant that KG would have neutralized Boozer pretty much... Even with Boozer, I don't how see how the Cavs could have beaten them

[Ca$H]

He most definitely thrived. For a second round pick to put up 16 points and 11+ rebounds at 22-years-old isn't thriving?

He tricked the organization into letting go of his rights and his agent immediately set up a deal with Utah. Stupid and naive by the Cavs to allow it to happen, but it was a shock when he bolted.

He was looked at as a legitimate #2 guy with LeBron for the next decade-plus.

That would have been a legit title for Bran. Bran winning with Boozer as his #2 option is similar to Kobe winning with Gasol as his #2 option.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Yeah I changed my answer right before your comment... actually Boozer's stats were better in the reg season, but I meant that KG would have neutralized Boozer pretty much... Even with Boozer, I don't how see how the Cavs could have beaten them

It went 7 games with LeBron far from his best, and Delonte West as the 2nd option. It took a PJ Brown onslaught (clutch baskets) to put away Cleveland. Not sure why people at like that team was some kind of superpower. Cleveland had them on the ropes. And might have been able to take them if they had another scorer. I mean you are aware that they were playing past-prime Big Ben and an old Joe Smith minutes at the 4, right? KG got to play free safety all series and terrorize whichever side of the court LeBron was on. You honestly don't believe Cleveland having one more guy that could score the ball would have given them a chance. In a series that went 7 games? lol

[Dragonyeuw]

Crazy how much his numbers went up playing with LeBron his second season.

Amazing what happens when a player's minutes jump from 25 to 35? And that resulted in a statistical increase? Impossible!

[Steven Kerry]

OP :facepalm