Reminder Kobe has more rings than Bron

[FreezingTsmoove]

That is all

[ShawkFactory]

Why would we need a reminder? This is as common of knowledge as Lebron being higher than Kobe on the all time list.

No one needs reminders about either of these things

[SouBeachTalents]

And LeBron has more MVP's, FMVP's and better regular season, postseason and Finals stats

[warriorfan]

LeBron's mom has slept with more ghetto dudes than Kobe's mom has

[aj1987]

LeBron would have be 8/8, if he had this guy:

2000 NBA Finals

Shaq - 38 PPG, 17 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.7 BPG, 61% FG 96/157
Kobe -16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90

2001 NBA Finals

Shaq - 33 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 BPG, 63/110 57% FG
Kobe - 24 PPG, 8 RPG, 6 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44/106 41% FG

2002 NBA Finals

Shaq - 37 PPG, 12.25 RPG, 4 APG, 2.75 BPG, 50/84 60% FG
Kobe -26 PPG, 5.75 RPG, 5 APG, .75 BPG, 36/70 51% FG

Total average stats for 3 championships

Shaq - 36 PPG, 15.4 RPG, 3.7 APG, 3 BPG, 209/351 60% FG, Double coverage
Kobe - 20 PPG, 6 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1 BPG, 113/266 42% FG, Single coverage

2004 NBA finals

Shaq - 27 PPG, 11 RPG, 2 APG, .6 BPG, 53/84 63% FG
Kobe - 22 PPG, 3 RPG, 4 APG, .6 BPG, 43/113 38% FG


LeBron's mom has slept with more ghetto dudes than Kobe's mom has
Both combined have slept with fewer ghetto dudes than your mom.

[MaxPlayer]

Reminder: Sidekick rings don't count.

[I<3NBA]

Reminder: Sidekick rings don't count.
:applause:

[Hoopz2332]

That is all


no, this is all

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClXdOhhWkAA3H_f.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

no, this is all

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClXdOhhWkAA3H_f.jpg

A dagger to the heart for Kobe stans

[SilkkTheShocker]

LeBron's 3 Finals MVPs and 4 MVPS far outweigh anything Kobe has done in the playoffs

[Hoopz2332]

A dagger to the heart for Kobe stans

:oldlol:

[Lebron23]

And Lebron is still rank higher than Kobe.

[Spurs m8]

Kobe stans so cut he didn't retire top 10.

Will fade as time goes on too....

[pauk]

Yes... Havlicek & Pippen have more rings aswell...

[Hoopz2332]

Kobe stans so cut he didn't retire top 10.

Will fade as time goes on too....


:oldlol:

[Smoke117]

2000 NBA Finals

Shaq - 38 PPG, 17 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.7 BPG, 61% FG 96/157
Kobe -16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90

2001 NBA Finals

Shaq - 33 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 BPG, 63/110 57% FG
Kobe - 24 PPG, 8 RPG, 6 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44/106 41% FG

2002 NBA Finals

Shaq - 37 PPG, 12.25 RPG, 4 APG, 2.75 BPG, 50/84 60% FG
Kobe -26 PPG, 5.75 RPG, 5 APG, .75 BPG, 36/70 51% FG

Total average stats for 3 championships

Shaq - 36 PPG, 15.4 RPG, 3.7 APG, 3 BPG, 209/351 60% FG, Double coverage
Kobe - 20 PPG, 6 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1 BPG, 113/266 42% FG, Single coverage

2004 NBA finals

Shaq - 27 PPG, 11 RPG, 2 APG, .6 BPG, 53/84 63% FG
Kobe - 22 PPG, 3 RPG, 4 APG, .6 BPG, 43/113 38% FG


http://blog.finishline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/wade-laugh.gif

[talkingconch]

Reminder: Sidekick rings don't count.
That would mean bron has 1 lol. Wade and Bosh.

lebron stans coping after being miserable the last 2 years.

[SouBeachTalents]

That would mean bron has 1 lol. Wade and Bosh.

lebron stans coping after being miserable the last 2 years.

Yes, we all remember Bosh's MVP's/FMVP's during LeBron's time with the Heat

[sammichoffate]

https://s15.postimg.org/cirzabe5n/2016_08_24_18_08_40_kobe_averages_2001_wcf_Goo.png
:bowdown:

[Jasper]

LeBron's mom has slept with more ghetto dudes than Kobe's mom has
Kobe was arrested for more rapes then most people...thats all.

[Real14]

Bron has 0 sidekick rings

Kobe has 5 sidekick rings.

End thread.

[TheCorporation]

Kobe hasn't even been the best player on his team for even HALF of his rings. He was the side chick 3 times. 2 for 5

LBJ has ALWAYS been the best player on his championship teams. 3 for 3

I'm surprised you didn't know this.. .Welcome to the NBA. Stick around, you may learn more.

[TheCorporation]

Bron has 0 sidekick rings

Kobe has 5 sidekick rings.

End thread.

I'm surprised so many people post threads before doing any research. They just google "ringz" and post. It's odd to me. I guess there are a lot of new fans to the NBA?

I always find it funny when people like OP try to count Kobe's sidechick rings. If they want to do that they need to admit

Pippen > Kobe

Fisher = Kobe

Horry > Jordan

etc.

If you are truly going to measure a player, look at Finals MVPs, not side chick rings like Kobe has...

[talkingconch]

Yes, we all remember Bosh's MVP's/FMVP's during LeBron's time with the Heat
cope.

By your logic Kobe > Lebron because 5 >3

[jstern]

https://s15.postimg.org/cirzabe5n/2016_08_24_18_08_40_kobe_averages_2001_wcf_Goo.png
:bowdown:
Those are Lebron type numbers. Rare for Kobe, yet you're :bowdown:. So why not like Lebron?

[SouBeachTalents]

cope.

By your logic Kobe > Lebron because 5 >3

No, by my logic 4 MVP's, 3 FMVP's, and superior stats > 1 MVP, 2 FMVP's, and inferior stats, so LeBron > Kobe

[sammichoffate]

Those are Lebron type numbers. Rare for Kobe, yet you're :bowdown:. So why not like Lebron?My opinion of LeBron improved a lot after these finals, I just ****ing hate his stans for being hypocrites when it comes to this kind of thing unless they're trolling. They look at STATS THO or SIDEKICK RINGS and then turn around to completely ignore the stats when it suits their agenda.

[Mr Feeny]

My opinion of LeBron improved a lot after these finals, I just ****ing hate his stans for being hypocrites when it comes to this kind of thing unless they're trolling. They look at STATS THO or SIDEKICK RINGS and then turn around to completely ignore the stats when it suits their agenda.

We did look at the stats
for the 3 peat, Kobe averaged 20 ppg and 4 or 5 apg on 42%fg.
These are sidekick/Pippen rings:banana:

In 2000? He averaged 15 ppg pm 36%fg:rant

[Hoopz2332]

LeBron would have be 8/8, if he had this guy:

2000 NBA Finals

Shaq - 38 PPG, 17 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.7 BPG, 61% FG 96/157
Kobe -16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90

2001 NBA Finals

Shaq - 33 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 BPG, 63/110 57% FG
Kobe - 24 PPG, 8 RPG, 6 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44/106 41% FG

2002 NBA Finals

Shaq - 37 PPG, 12.25 RPG, 4 APG, 2.75 BPG, 50/84 60% FG
Kobe -26 PPG, 5.75 RPG, 5 APG, .75 BPG, 36/70 51% FG

Total average stats for 3 championships

Shaq - 36 PPG, 15.4 RPG, 3.7 APG, 3 BPG, 209/351 60% FG, Double coverage
Kobe - 20 PPG, 6 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1 BPG, 113/266 42% FG, Single coverage

2004 NBA finals

Shaq - 27 PPG, 11 RPG, 2 APG, .6 BPG, 53/84 63% FG
Kobe - 22 PPG, 3 RPG, 4 APG, .6 BPG, 43/113 38% FG


Both combined have slept with fewer ghetto dudes than your mom.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Mt71wDDEmBvgI/giphy.gif

[sammichoffate]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Mt71wDDEmBvgI/giphy.gifIt's okay, he went 2/4 with Wade and Bosh to make up for it. He also got outscored by Tony Parker, who isn't a top 50 player, in 2007 :applause:

[Hey Yo]

My opinion of LeBron improved a lot after these finals, I just ****ing hate his stans for being hypocrites when it comes to this kind of thing unless they're trolling. They look at STATS THO or SIDEKICK RINGS and then turn around to completely ignore the stats when it suits their agenda.
But you posted stats from a conference series. James haters don't post his playoff record and stats, they post his Finals record and Finals stats.

The Finals is what matters

Kobe's Finals stats don't measure up to LeBron's. His 2 first option rings isn't better than LeBron's 3. 2FMVP's isn't better than 3FMVP's

you get the point....

[sammichoffate]

But you posted stats from a conference series. James haters don't post his playoff record and stats, they post his Finals record and Finals stats.

The Finals is what matters

Kobe's Finals stats don't measure up to LeBron's. His 2 first option rings isn't better than LeBron's 3. 2FMVP's isn't better than 3FMVP's

you get the point....Unlike the posters without brain cells, I look at the big picture. Kobe wasn't a sidekick during the three-peat other than his first finals, it was literally as close to a 1a/1b as you can get. Shaq wouldn't have 3FMVPs w/o him.

[Hey Yo]

Unlike the posters without brain cells, I look at the big picture. Kobe wasn't a sidekick during the three-peat other than his first finals, it was literally as close to a 1a/1b as you can get. Shaq wouldn't have 3FMVPs w/o him.
And Kobe wouldn't have 3 rings w/o Shaq. We could do this all day.

But at the end of the day, Shaq performed better in the Finals than Kobe did, hence the 3 Finals MVP's. Shaq was first option and captain of the team. That's what's remembered. Finals performances are what you're judged by, not what you did in the second round.

Shaq had some epic Finals, while Kobe usually came up short. He was never close to winning a FMVP with Shaq. He tried to get his first FMVP against Detroit but that plan backfired immensely.

[sammichoffate]

And Kobe wouldn't have 3 rings w/o Shaq. We could do this all day.

But at the end of the day, Shaq performed better in the Finals than Kobe did, hence the 3 Finals MVP's. Shaq was first option and captain of the team. That's what's remembered. Finals performances are what you're judged by, not what you did in the second round.

Shaq had some epic Finals, while Kobe usually came up short. He was never close to winning a FMVP with Shaq. He tried to get his first FMVP against Detroit but that plan backfired immensely.That's exactly what's wrong with people saying Kobe's contributions don't count. The West was loaded back then, every series mattered when you compare it to the East that Lebron regularly steamrolls through. Kyrie didn't get FMVP, should we discount what he did for Cleveland?

[clipps]

I'm surprised so many people post threads before doing any research. They just google "ringz" and post. It's odd to me. I guess there are a lot of new fans to the NBA?

I always find it funny when people like OP try to count Kobe's sidechick rings. If they want to do that they need to admit

Pippen > Kobe

Fisher = Kobe

Horry > Jordan

etc.

If you are truly going to measure a player, look at Finals MVPs, not side chick rings like Kobe has...

Way to piggy back on that one.

[Hoopz2332]

It's okay, he went 2/4 with Wade and Bosh to make up for it. He also got outscored by Tony Parker, who isn't a top 50 player, in 2007 :applause:


http://i.imgur.com/xCBrnPT.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1e/78/cf/1e78cf3a4517fc27e988fe11b80f7dad.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/nvkKxmw.jpg

[Bankaii]

That's exactly what's wrong with people saying Kobe's contributions don't count. The West was loaded back then, every series mattered when you compare it to the East that Lebron regularly steamrolls through. Kyrie didn't get FMVP, should we discount what he did for Cleveland?
No one is discrediting Kobe's play. He was a superstar in 2001 and 2002 and his impact reflected it throguhout the playoffs.

The problem arises when Kobe stans try to use rings to prop him up (specifically against Lebron) knowing full well that his 5 rings aren't the same as 5 of MJ's rings. At the end of the day, Kobe's 2000-02 rings don't hold a candle to Lebron's 2012, 13, 16.

It's the same with trying to say Kyrie>Iverson, becuase Kyrie has a ring. When we all know AI was leading trash to the Finals while Kyrie had Lebron having a GOAT level Finals.

[sammichoffate]

No one is discrediting Kobe's play. He was a superstar in 2001 and 2002 and his impact reflected it throguhout the playoffs.

The problem arises when Kobe stans try to use rings to prop him up (specifically against Lebron) knowing full well that his 5 rings aren't the same as 5 of MJ's rings. At the end of the day, Kobe's 2000-02 rings don't hold a candle to Lebron's 2012, 13, 16.

It's the same with trying to say Kyrie>Iverson, becuase Kyrie has a ring. When we all know AI was leading trash to the Finals while Kyrie had Lebron having a GOAT level Finals.I'm not propping him up against Lebron, he's ahead of Kobe on my top 10 after his last finals. But to say that those rings don't hold a candle is ignoring context like competition and such.

Kobe went up against teams like San Antonio, Sacramento w/Webber, and Portland each postseason while Lebron's biggest challenge was Boston, Indy, and filler half the time. I concede that having Shaq equals it out quite a bit, but his rings are just as legitimate other than not being the first option. People like to point out that Lebron had that 45/15/5 game against Boston in 2012; Kobe basically did the same thing multiple times against the Kings and Spurs.

2001: 24.6/7.8/5.8/1.4/1.4 on 41.5%
2002: 27/5.8/5.3/1.5/0.8 on 51.4%
Js that it's unfair to criticize him for playing with MDE when he put up more than respectable numbers in the Finals for the last two of the three-peat.

[Mr Feeny]

I'm not propping him up against Lebron, he's ahead of Kobe on my top 10 after his last finals. But to say that those rings don't hold a candle is ignoring context like competition and such.

Kobe went up against teams like San Antonio, Sacramento w/Webber, and Portland each postseason while Lebron's biggest challenge was Boston, Indy, and filler half the time. I concede that having Shaq equals it out quite a bit, but his rings are just as legitimate other than not being the first option. People like to point out that Lebron had that 45/15/5 game against Boston in 2012; Kobe basically did the same thing multiple times against the Kings and Spurs.

2001: 24.6/7.8/5.8/1.4/1.4 on 41.5%
2002: 27/5.8/5.3/1.5/0.8 on 51.4%
Js that it's unfair to criticize him for playing with MDE when he put up more than respectable numbers in the Finals for the last two of the three-peat.


That's our point. Shooting 41% against single coverage against Eric Snow and then putting relatively inferior numbers against the Nets compared to the beast in the middle who swept the finals mvps during the run, doesn't hold a candle to what Lebron did during ANY of his title runs.


I'm glad you know your place and realize that the bran is 4 tiers above your hero, though:applause:

[sammichoffate]

That's our point. Shooting 41% against single coverage against Eric Snow and then putting relatively inferior numbers against the Nets compared to the beast in the middle who swept the finals mvps during the run, doesn't hold a candle to what Lebron did during ANY of his title runs.


I'm glad you know your place and realize that the bran is 4 tiers above your hero, though:applause:I would acknowledge that you're right already if you weren't such an insufferable piece of garbage. You literally did not listen to ANYTHING I just said.

[SwayDizzle]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Mt71wDDEmBvgI/giphy.gif
lj looks like magic's son

[Mr Feeny]

lj looks like magic's son

No he doesn't :coleman: magic's soon looks like the phaggiest ph@g in the history of mankind:oldlol:

[SwayDizzle]

No he doesn't :coleman: magic's soon looks like the phaggiest ph@g in the history of mankind:oldlol:
no, as in he could be magic's son

[Bankaii]

I'm not propping him up against Lebron, he's ahead of Kobe on my top 10 after his last finals. But to say that those rings don't hold a candle is ignoring context like competition and such.

Kobe went up against teams like San Antonio, Sacramento w/Webber, and Portland each postseason while Lebron's biggest challenge was Boston, Indy, and filler half the time. I concede that having Shaq equals it out quite a bit, but his rings are just as legitimate other than not being the first option. People like to point out that Lebron had that 45/15/5 game against Boston in 2012; Kobe basically did the same thing multiple times against the Kings and Spurs.

2001: 24.6/7.8/5.8/1.4/1.4 on 41.5%
2002: 27/5.8/5.3/1.5/0.8 on 51.4%
Js that it's unfair to criticize him for playing with MDE when he put up more than respectable numbers in the Finals for the last two of the three-peat.
Bot necessarily you, but a lot of Kobe fans post "5>3" which is where my post is coming from.

While Kobe played in a tougher conference for the most part, being 2nd fiddle to Shaq in most of those series hurts that argument.
On top of that these same EC teams that Lebron destroys, Kobe struggles heavily against.
I'd also put Boston, Indy, 2011 Bulls, early Pistons, etc on the same level as some of the teams you listed.

I don't discredit Kobe for playing with Shaq. Only maybe MJ and Lebron could win a FMVP next to him, and even that's debatable. I just don't agree with some Kobe fans acting like 5 rings is the end all when they aren't as meaningful as proposed.

[Steven Kerry]

Reminder: Sidekick rings don't count.
:lol

[Nash]

lebron better than kobe at everything except sidekick rings

[sammichoffate]

Bot necessarily you, but a lot of Kobe fans post "5>3" which is where my post is coming from.

While Kobe played in a tougher conference for the most part, being 2nd fiddle to Shaq in most of those series hurts that argument.
On top of that these same EC teams that Lebron destroys, Kobe struggles heavily against.
I'd also put Boston, Indy, 2011 Bulls, early Pistons, etc on the same level as some of the teams you listed.

I don't discredit Kobe for playing with Shaq. Only maybe MJ and Lebron could win a FMVP next to him, and even that's debatable. I just don't agree with some Kobe fans acting like 5 rings is the end all when they aren't as meaningful as proposed.Again, Kobe was only really a 2nd fiddle to Shaq in 2000. 2001 and 2002 he was putting up numbers comparable to Shaq in almost every series prior to the Finals, even though Shaq had the edge in rebounds for obvious reasons.

I wasn't comparing Lebron and Kobe's competition across conferences head-to-head, just their relative records,depth, etc. because that wouldn't make sense(Lebron struggles against Spurs=/=Kobe struggles against Boston) Lebron's road to the Finals in 2012, 2013, and 2016 were way easier than Shaq and Kobe's for the most part other than Boston 2012, Indy 2013, Chicago 2011. The teams that LA went up against Pre-Finals always consisted of teams like Prime Webber-led Sacramento, Twin Tower Spurs, and Sheed-Blazers. They never played throw away teams like Charlotte, Philly, Atlanta, etc.

You're one of the few who don't discredit Kobe for playing with MDE, which is good. Kobe's rings aren't the end all, I acknowledge that he definitely had the benefit of playing alongside Shaq in his first 3 rings. But I just have to point out the fact that the guy was putting up FMVP-worthy stats along Shaq prior/during their Finals together.

Reasonable Kobe fans can acknowledge this, along with the benefit of playing with a good organization like LA or Miami. Tbh, I don't really like Lebron because of some of the stuff he does(flopping, complaining about calls too much, etc.) but I have to acknowledge what he's done as a player so far or it would be disingenuous to all the other greats like Kobe, Duncan, or anyone else. :cheers:

[Bankaii]

Again, Kobe was only really a 2nd fiddle to Shaq in 2000. 2001 and 2002 he was putting up numbers comparable to Shaq in almost every series prior to the Finals, even though Shaq had the edge in rebounds for obvious reasons.

I wasn't comparing Lebron and Kobe's competition across conferences head-to-head, just their relative records,depth, etc. because that wouldn't make sense(Lebron struggles against Spurs=/=Kobe struggles against Boston) Lebron's road to the Finals in 2012, 2013, and 2016 were way easier than Shaq and Kobe's for the most part other than Boston 2012, Indy 2013, Chicago 2011. The teams that LA went up against Pre-Finals always consisted of teams like Prime Webber-led Sacramento, Twin Tower Spurs, and Sheed-Blazers. They never played throw away teams like Charlotte, Philly, Atlanta, etc.

You're one of the few who don't discredit Kobe for playing with MDE, which is good. Kobe's rings aren't the end all, I acknowledge that he definitely had the benefit of playing alongside Shaq in his first 3 rings. But I just have to point out the fact that the guy was putting up FMVP-worthy stats along Shaq prior/during their Finals together.

Reasonable Kobe fans can acknowledge this, along with the benefit of playing with a good organization like LA or Miami. Tbh, I don't really like Lebron because of some of the stuff he does(flopping, complaining about calls too much, etc.) but I have to acknowledge what he's done as a player so far or it would be disingenuous to all the other greats like Kobe, Duncan, or anyone else. :cheers:
Fair enough bud, I agree for the most part.
Good to see there's still at least one sensible Kobe fan still around:cheers:

[sammichoffate]

Fair enough bud, I agree for the most part.
Good to see there's still at least one sensible Kobe fan still around:cheers::cheers:

[FreezingTsmoove]

Fair enough bud, I agree for the most part.
Good to see there's still at least one sensible Kobe fan still around:cheers:

We

Win

AGAIN

[BedroomBully]

https://s15.postimg.org/cirzabe5n/2016_08_24_18_08_40_kobe_averages_2001_wcf_Goo.png
:bowdown:
If im not mistaken, was that for ONLY 1 SERIES?

[BedroomBully]

That's exactly what's wrong with people saying Kobe's contributions don't count. The West was loaded back then, every series mattered when you compare it to the East that Lebron regularly steamrolls through. Kyrie didn't get FMVP, should we discount what he did for Cleveland?
No one is denying the fact that Kobe helped out, but at the end of the day, the BETTER performer was Shaq daddy! Hence the 3FMVPs.

[Hey Yo]

That's exactly what's wrong with people saying Kobe's contributions don't count. The West was loaded back then, every series mattered when you compare it to the East that Lebron regularly steamrolls through. Kyrie didn't get FMVP, should we discount what he did for Cleveland?
I never said Kobe's contributions don't count. They would just count more if he did it in the Finals. People remember Finals performances more. He struggled in the Finals against teams that Kobe and WC fans refer to as the shitty East.

Kyrie does get credit cause he did what he did....IN THE FINALS. He hit the go ahead shot of game 7 IN THE FINALS. He may have started off slow in the series but definitely redeemed himself. He did more this Finals (against better competition) than Kobe did the 3 straight years with Shaq.

[sammichoffate]

We

Win

AGAINIt's funny because I still have Kobe over Lebron on my top ten :kobe:

[BedroomBully]

Bottom line is, Kobe got out-performed by Shaq 3 times! And when he tried to take over the finals in 04, He failed miserably against a team with 0 superstars that they had no business losing to!

[SamuraiSWISH]

LeBron has more rings as the man, more Finals MVPs, and 3x more MVP trophies. It's easy to acknowledge his superiority over Kobe. It's truly pathetic that the Kobe stans won't give this up. It's starting to become embarrassing to watch. I thought the argument was over in 2013.

But what LeBron accomplished this past June was more impressive than anything Kobe has ever done in pro basketball.

Guy dismantled, along with significant help from sidekick Kyrie, a team that won 73 regular season games. Was overwhelming favorites. Had:

Coach of the Year
2x MVP "Unanimous"
2nd best SG in the league
Finals MVP 6th man

And a litany of other solid to good role players.

[BedroomBully]

I'm not propping him up against Lebron, he's ahead of Kobe on my top 10 after his last finals. But to say that those rings don't hold a candle is ignoring context like competition and such.

Kobe went up against teams like San Antonio, Sacramento w/Webber, and Portland each postseason while Lebron's biggest challenge was Boston, Indy, and filler half the time. I concede that having Shaq equals it out quite a bit, but his rings are just as legitimate other than not being the first option. People like to point out that Lebron had that 45/15/5 game against Boston in 2012; Kobe basically did the same thing multiple times against the Kings and Spurs.

2001: 24.6/7.8/5.8/1.4/1.4 on 41.5%
2002: 27/5.8/5.3/1.5/0.8 on 51.4%
Js that it's unfair to criticize him for playing with MDE when he put up more than respectable numbers in the Finals for the last two of the three-peat.
?????

[BedroomBully]

LeBron has more rings as the man, more Finals MVPs, and 3x more MVP trophies. It's easy to acknowledge his superiority over Kobe. It's truly pathetic that the Kobe stans won't give this up. It's starting to become embarrassing to watch. I thought the argument was over in 2013.

But what LeBron accomplished this past June was more impressive than anything Kobe has ever done in pro basketball.

Guy dismantled, along with significant help from sidekick Kyrie, a team that won 73 regular season games. Was overwhelming favorites. Had:

Coach of the Year
2x MVP "Unanimous"
2nd best SG in the league
Finals MVP 6th man

And a litany of other solid to good role players.
This is debatable. Ill take Klay over Harden any day!

[sammichoffate]

I never said Kobe's contributions don't count. They would just count more if he did it in the Finals. People remember Finals performances more. He struggled in the Finals against teams that Kobe and WC fans refer to as the shitty East.

Kyrie does get credit cause he did what he did....IN THE FINALS. He hit the go ahead shot of game 7 IN THE FINALS. He may have started off slow in the series but definitely redeemed himself. He did more this Finals (against better competition) than Kobe did the 3 straight years with Shaq.
2001: 24.6/7.8/5.8/1.4/1.4 on 41.5%
2002: 26.8/5.8/5.3/1.5/0.8 on 51.4%

Wade:
2011: 26.5/7/5.2/1.5./1.5 on 54.6%
2012: 22.6/6/5.2/1.4/1.2 on 43.5%

Kyrie:
2016: 27.1/3.9/3.9/2.1/0.7 on 46.8%

Gee, he sure did struggle and not show up :rolleyes:

[Hey Yo]

2001: 24.6/7.8/5.8/1.4/1.4 on 41.5%
2002: 26.8/5.8/5.3/1.5/0.8 on 51.4%

Wade:
2011: 26.5/7/5.2/1.5./1.5 on 54.6%
2012: 22.6/6/5.2/1.4/1.2 on 43.5%

Kyrie:
2016: 27.1/3.9/3.9/2.1/0.7 on 46.8%

Gee, he sure did struggle and not show up :rolleyes:
Big difference between struggling and not showing up. See LeBron in 2011 Finals.

Not sure why you're posting Wade's stats??

His 41% shooting is what hurts that 01 line.

He played well against the Nets...... who play in the shitty East, correct?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Wade only struggled in 2013 and 2014 due to injury.

His performance on the road for game 4, 2013 in San Antonio was about as critical as it gets.

In 2011 he performed like a superstar top 3 franchise player, LeBron just went MIA.

And in 2012 he could still take over when necessary and played like the games best second option all season, and playoffs. He did the same in 2013 through their long winning streak before the knee issues.

[ArbitraryWater]

Wade only struggled in 2013 and 2014 due to injury.

His performance on the road for game 4, 2013 in San Antonio was about as critical as it gets.

In 2011 he performed like a superstar top 3 franchise player, LeBron just went MIA.

And in 2012 he could still take over when necessary and played like the games best second option all season, and playoffs. He did the same in 2013 through their long winning streak before the knee issues.

so why didnt he do it for an entire ECF where everybody called him washed?

[sammichoffate]

Big difference between struggling and not showing up. See LeBron in 2011 Finals.

Not sure why you're posting Wade's stats??

His 41% shooting is what hurts that 01 line.

He played well against the Nets...... who play in the shitty East, correct?Because they're easily FMVP worthy when you keep saying that he didn't do shit in the Finals. FG% isn't a be all/end all contrary to what Lebron stans like to believe; He also had to guard an MVP-level Allen Iverson for the majority of the series.
Same one that Lebron plays every year he goes to the Finals, correct.

[SamuraiSWISH]

so why didnt he do it for an entire ECF where everybody called him washed?
Dude had a rough series. And it's harder to get off when you're not the primary flow of the offense. Did he not dominate Paul George and Lance Stephenson when called upon in the Pacers series?

Average players or even decent star sidekicks don't casually drop 40 plus point playoff games in critical moments.

LeBron stans like the 'yard I'm replying to deliberately try to down play Wade's performance and purposeful pulled back offensive game to accommodate LeBron.

Your boy guaranteed 7 championships and went to south beach to go play with Wade for a reason. So stop acting like Bron was having to carry an offensively inept carcass of Dwyane Wade to championships.

You're the same moron who was drunk off the kool-aid just a couple months ago saying Curry > Kobe.

Your newbie basketball opinions mean jack nadda.

[sammichoffate]

Dude had a rough series. And it's harder to get off when you're not the primary flow of the offense. Did he not dominate Paul George and Lance Stephenson when called upon in the Pacers series?

Average players or even decent star sidekicks don't casually drop 40 plus point playoff games in critical moments.

LeBron stans like the 'yard I'm replying to deliberately try to down play Wade's performance and purposeful pulled back offensive game to accommodate LeBron.

Your boy guaranteed 7 championships and went to south beach to go play with Wade for a reason. So stop acting like Bron was having to carry an offensively inept carcass of Dwyane Wade to championships.

You're the same moron who was drunk off the kool-aid just a couple months ago saying Curry > Kobe.

Your newbie basketball opinions mean jack nadda.Don't lose logic, it won't work. He probably doesn't even know that Kobe dropped 48/16 eleven years before Lebron did against Sacramento, but he'll find a way to prop up Lebron's Boston game while saying Kobe got carried by Shaq :rolleyes:

[Bankaii]

We

Win

AGAIN
Your obsession with me is unhealthy.


It's funny because I still have Kobe over Lebron on my top ten :kobe:

I'm not propping him up against Lebron, he's ahead of Kobe on my top 10 after his last finals. But to say that those rings don't hold a candle is ignoring context like competition and such.
This is why no one takes Kobetards seriously.
I try to give one credit and he can't even go 5 seconds without going full retard:facepalm

[sammichoffate]

Your obsession with me is unhealthy.



This is why no one takes Kobetards seriously.
I try to give one credit and he can't even go 5 seconds without going full retard:facepalmWhat can I say? This is ISH :lol I should've phrased that personal top ten though, if someone says Lebron is better than Kobe then I have no problem with that.

[ArbitraryWater]

Dude had a rough series. And it's harder to get off when you're not the primary flow of the offense. Did he not dominate Paul George and Lance Stephenson when called upon in the Pacers series?

Average players or even decent star sidekicks don't casually drop 40 plus point playoff games in critical moments.

LeBron stans like the 'yard I'm replying to deliberately try to down play Wade's performance and purposeful pulled back offensive game to accommodate LeBron.

Your boy guaranteed 7 championships and went to south beach to go play with Wade for a reason. So stop acting like Bron was having to carry an offensively inept carcass of Dwyane Wade to championships.

You're the same moron who was drunk off the kool-aid just a couple months ago saying Curry > Kobe.

Your newbie basketball opinions mean jack nadda.

Soooo.... where was he in the ECF? That series was full of critical moments.. go back in the GT's and look how much praise he got back then. His finals was hardly overwhelming. Luckily he had that 3 game stretch.


Don't lose logic, it won't work. He probably doesn't even know that Kobe dropped 48/16 eleven years before Lebron did against Sacramento, but he'll find a way to prop up Lebron's Boston game while saying Kobe got carried by Shaq :rolleyes:

you talkin to a ghost here? Same fella who uses pics of one series of a total 12 from 00-02? :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Soooo.... where was he in the ECF? That series was full of critical moments.. go back in the GT's and look how much praise he got back then. His finals was hardly overwhelming. Luckily he had that 3 game stretch.
Having a rough series offensively equates to not being a star sidekick? Not having an "overwhelming" series means what exactly? What are you even trying to say ... I mean I know personally because your moronic agenda is transparent. I just want to hear your dumb ass say something ridiculous again.

Oh and if that's the case then you just made past prime '96 - '98 Jordan look even greater by comparison. 2012 Wade looks like the greatest scorer ever sidekick wise in comparison to '96 - '98 Pippen.

Face it, Wade was a 22/5/5 with 1st team caliber defense type player from 2012 until his late season injury in 2013. Stop pretending he was garbage LeBron was having to drag.

:oldlol:

[aj1987]

Soooo.... where was he in the ECF? That series was full of critical moments.. go back in the GT's and look how much praise he got back then. His finals was hardly overwhelming. Luckily he had that 3 game stretch.
1st Round - 21/3/4/3/1 on 51%

ECSF - 26/6/3/1/1 on 47% (stats are kinda skewed by that terrible G5)

ECF - 21/6/5/1/1 on 44% (Was actually bad in only games 3, 4, & 6 - 18/6/5/2/2 on 37% in those three games. He averaged 24/5/5/1/1 on 51%)

Finals - 23/6/5/1/1 on 44%

Lets also not forget about his defense as well. '12 was one of Wade's best defensive seasons.

[ArbitraryWater]

Having a rough series offensively equates to not being a star sidekick? Not having an "overwhelming" series means what exactly? What are you even trying to say ... I mean I know personally because your moronic agenda is transparent. I just want to hear your dumb ass say something ridiculous again.

Oh and if that's the case then you just made past prime '96 - '98 Jordan look even greater by comparison. 2012 Wade looks like the greatest scorer ever sidekick wise in comparison to '96 - '98 Pippen.

Face it, Wade was a 22/5/5 with 1st team caliber defense type player from 2012 until his late season injury in 2013. Stop pretending he was garbage LeBron was having to drag.

:oldlol:

Wade was an all-star top 10 sidekick in 2012 (saying he was always ready to take over is dumb given how bad he was through SEVEN games in the ECF) and the next two regular seasons, but he was garbage in the next two post-seasons, and he was fine health wise in '14, had a great ECF, and then sucked it up, as he did the previous year, although much worse.

[ArbitraryWater]

1st Round - 21/3/4/3/1 on 51%

ECSF - 26/6/3/1/1 on 47% (stats are kinda skewed by that terrible G5)

ECF - 21/6/5/1/1 on 44% (Was actually bad in only games 3, 4, & 6 - 18/6/5/2/2 on 37% in those three games. He averaged 24/5/5/1/1 on 51%)

Finals - 23/6/5/1/1 on 44%

Lets also not forget about his defense as well. '12 was one of Wade's best defensive seasons.

Yup, thats pretty much what I thought.. dont become Magic32 though, arbitrarily picking out a certain set of games :lol think of him writing this, youd roll your eyes.

[aj1987]

Yup, thats pretty much what I thought.. dont become Magic32 though, arbitrarily picking out a certain set of games :lol think of him writing this, youd roll your eyes.
I didn't pick any games. I'm just laying out the context, since his overall numbers from the ECF aren't really that bad. 21/6/5/1/1 on 44%. Without context those numbers look pretty good for a 2nd option with a bum knee. I pointed out that Wade was actually bad in 3 of those ECF games.

Except for a couple of games in the ECF, Wade was a beast in the '12 PO's. That's pretty much a fact.

[Hey Yo]

Dude had a rough series. And it's harder to get off when you're not the primary flow of the offense. Did he not dominate Paul George and Lance Stephenson when called upon in the Pacers series?

Average players or even decent star sidekicks don't casually drop 40 plus point playoff games in critical moments.

LeBron stans like the 'yard I'm replying to deliberately try to down play Wade's performance and purposeful pulled back offensive game to accommodate LeBron.

Your boy guaranteed 7 championships and went to south beach to go play with Wade for a reason. So stop acting like Bron was having to carry an offensively inept carcass of Dwyane Wade to championships.

You're the same moron who was drunk off the kool-aid just a couple months ago saying Curry > Kobe.

Your newbie basketball opinions mean jack nadda.
Since when can 7 rings be guaranteed when your contract is for 4yrs plus an option year?

DUMB.

[aj1987]

Since when can 7 rings be guaranteed when your contract is for 4yrs plus an option year?

DUMB.
Ask LeBron. He's the one who said it.