Best player to never win an MVP award

[BigKAT]

This one should be good.
No MVP awards. FMVP is allowed.


Current players - Prime Chris Paul/Paul George?

All Time- I don't know much about Pre-80's NBA, but I'll go with Paul Pierce. Awesome two-way guy. I can't think of many better then him at his prime that -DID NOT- win an MVP award. Maybe Prime T-Mac?

Who you guys got?

Edit:I think I'm going with Jason Kidd now. Good call by Xerxes. Though Wade is a great mention too.

[SouBeachTalents]

This one should be good.
No MVP awards. FMVP is allowed.


Current players - Prime Chris Paul/Paul George?

All Time- I don't know much about Pre-80's NBA, but I'll go with Paul Pierce. Awesome two-way guy. I can't think of many better then him at his prime that -DID NOT- win an MVP award. Maybe Prime T-Mac?

Who you guys got?

:biggums:

There's no way this dude just said Paul Pierce was the greatest player to never win MVP

[BigKAT]

:biggums:

There's no way this dude just said Paul Pierce was the greatest player to never win MVP

Why, who you got?

Everyone good that came to mind had MVP's.

[NBAGOAT]

jerry west seems like a pretty obvious choice unless I'm forgetting someone.

Edit: HM mention for Wade. Forgot about him.

[SouBeachTalents]

Why, who you got?

Everyone good that came to mind had MVP's.

West
Baylor
Hondo
Isiah
Wade
Barry
Pippen
Stockton

[K Xerxes]

Wade, Baylor, West, Ewing, Stockton, Pippen, Isiah, Kidd

[BigKAT]

Wade, Baylor, West, Ewing, Stockton, Pippen, Isiah, Kidd

Never seen West play.
All I know about him is from Stats, so I'll avoid picking him.

But Wade/Kidd seems like really good choices.

[K Xerxes]

Never seen West play.
All I know about him is from Stats, so I'll avoid picking him.

But Wade/Kidd seems like really good choices.

From those I've seen, 09 Wade is probably the highest level I've seen from a non-MVP player.

[BigKAT]

From those I've seen, 09 Wade is probably the highest level I've seen from a non-MVP player.

What was his team record that year?

[GrapeApe]

What was his team record that year?

43-39 with arguably the worst roster in the league and rookie Michael Beasley as the 2nd option. You're obviously not winning MVP with 43 wins, but Wade was superhuman that season.

[BigKAT]

Melo.


Did you not post like 5 straight hate threads on Melo/Knicks lately?

I'm confused.

[K Xerxes]

What was his team record that year?

He wasn't going to win MVP because of his team record, especially against LeBron and Kobe that year. But in terms of level of play, it was the best I've seen from a player that has never won an MVP.

[Akrazotile]

I dont really count Kobe's MVP, so you could add him into the discussion.

[BigKAT]

:applause:
He wasn't going to win MVP because of his team record, especially against LeBron and Kobe that year. But in terms of level of play, it was the best I've seen from a player that has never won an MVP.

That's the only reason I don't think Westbrook will win MVP next year.

Same went for Harden,
Let's be honest, if his team got to 60-61 wins, he wins MVP over curry.

He had +4 PPG on him I think. And many more rebounds.
And a worse team. And no Howard. And no D, but that's besides the point.

Record matters in the MVP race.

[Orlando Magic]

Klay Thompson

[bdreason]

CP3, T-Mac, Wade, Kidd, Baylor, Zeke, Wilkins, Ewing, Gervin, Drexler.

[bdreason]

Yao and Howard were also considered the two best Centers in the league at one time.

[Cold soul]

Jerry West
Wade

[L.Kizzle]

Teammates Baylor & West
Those are the top two for sure.

Than you have Thomas- Drexler-Ewing-Kidd-Wade-Paul thosd guys.

[BigKAT]

Yao and Howard were also considered the two best Centers in the league at one time.

Yao ming. Now that's a sad story.
Really wonder what he could've been without all these injuries.
The same could be said for Dwight, that athletic freak.

I think dwight messed up his career by not developing his skills enough. Plus, being in a bad situation a few years in a row.

[Lebronxrings]

pau gasol

[Big164]

Adrian Dantley.

He was a 30ppg 60% ts guy that no one really knows about.

[LostCause]

Wade and Kidd for sure. T-macs a great mention also

[tpols]

Yao and Howard were also considered the two best Centers in the league at one time.

if they were in their primes today, that would still be the case

[SamuraiSWISH]

In order

1) Wade

- 2006 was worthy.

- 2007 he seemed like a lock before out of socket shoulder injury ruined his chances.

- 2009, removing team record due to playing with way inferior cast compared to LeBron / Kobe, I thought he was the best individual player. Even in 2010, and 2011 he was as great as any individual player in the league.

2) West
3) Zeke
4) CP3 (2008 was arguable between him and Kobe)
5) Baylor
6) Ewing / Drexler
7) Kidd (thought he deserved 2002)
8) Pippen (1994 only arguable season though)

[BigKAT]

In order

1) Wade

- 2006 was worthy.

- 2007 he seemed like a lock before out of socket shoulder injury ruined his chances.

- 2009, removing team record due to playing with way inferior cast compared to LeBron / Kobe, I thought he was the best individual player. Even in 2010, and 2011 he was as great as any individual player in the league.

2) West
3) Zeke
4) CP3 (2008 was arguable between him and Kobe)
5) Baylor
6) Ewing
7) Kidd (thought he deserved 2002)
8) Pippen (1994 only arguable season though)

So basically,
You say Wade is the GOAT (Skill/Ability wise, not accomplishment) to never win an MVP?

That isn't too far fetched. I do wonder what kind of career he could have had if these two things didn't happen

# Joining up with Lebron
# Injuries

Likely he wouldn't have 3 rings, but he might have an MVP in his resume.

[ArbitraryWater]

Paul Pierce? Bro what?

[SamuraiSWISH]

So basically,
You say Wade is the GOAT (Skill/Ability wise, not accomplishment) to never win an MVP?

That isn't too far fetched. I do wonder what kind of career he could have had if these two things didn't happen

# Joining up with Lebron
# Injuries

Likely he wouldn't have 3 rings, but he might have an MVP in his resume.
Definitely. With West nipping at his heels.

Dude had 3x legit MVP season. One derailed by a major injury in 2007 but for my money, considering he was a stud defensively as well ... for recent guards most valuable seasons

2009 Wade > 2016 / 2015 Curry and 2011 Rose.

He wouldn't have 3 rings, but he wouldn't be remembered as a hobbled sidekick either. And he'd still have the ring that he carried old Shaq.

If only Jay Williams didn't crash his bike, he would've been in a Bulls uniform from the start.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Wade.

He and Kobe, an arguable top 10 player all time, were basically "pickems" during both their primes.

[feyki]

The Logo .

[ArbitraryWater]

Wade had two legit MVP caliber seasons with '09 and '10 :applause:

West did have like 5 though

[ShawkFactory]

I know nothing about west and his game and the way the game was played when he was around.

In my day and age though? I haven't seen too many better players than Dwyane Wade in his physical prime. He was as elite as it gets.

[BigKAT]

I know nothing about west and his game and the way the game was played when he was around.

In my day and age though? I haven't seen too many better players than Dwyane Wade in his physical prime. He was as elite as it gets.

/Thread.

You guys sold me on Wade.
From the people I actually -saw- play, I can't really think of anyone surpassing his prime.

I wonder if Lebron did good to his legacy. I mean, these Heat Teams were beasting hard, with that 27 win streak and that amazing 4 straight finals, but you wonder if Sidekick Wade is going to go down as better.

Honestly, a very plausible scenario where Wade wins MVP but never gets back to the finals is very possible. Which also isn't healthy for your legacy.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Wade had two legit MVP caliber seasons with '09 and '10 :applause
Nah. More.

2006
27 ppg, 7 apg, 6 rpg, 2 spg
All Time Great Finals performance, Ring, FMVP

2007 pre injury he was putting up 28 ppg, 8 apg, 7 rpg.

So if you're including 2010, you'd have to include superior seasons in 2006 and 2007. 2011 was viable too but playing with another MVP caliber player off set each other's dominance individually.

Point is Wade when healthy in his prime was a perennial MVP caliber talent. Top 3 to Top 5 caliber player. 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010, and 2011.

[Mr Feeny]

/Thread.

You guys sold me on Wade.
From the people I actually -saw- play, I can't really think of anyone surpassing his prime.

I wonder if Lebron did good to his legacy. I mean, these Heat Teams were beasting hard, with that 27 win streak and that amazing 4 straight finals, but you wonder if Sidekick Wade is going to go down as better.

Honestly, a very plausible scenario where Wade wins MVP but never gets back to the finals is very possible. Which also isn't healthy for your legacy.

Lebron didn't hurt Wade's career. His injuries did. He would have had to settle for the 1 ring as lead dog. Maybe people would have been able to more easily compartmentalise prime Wade and the post-injuries Wade had Lebron not been around.

But it that really better than winning 2 more titles as a lesser player?

[ShawkFactory]

/Thread.

You guys sold me on Wade.
From the people I actually -saw- play, I can't really think of anyone surpassing his prime.

I wonder if Lebron did good to his legacy. I mean, these Heat Teams were beasting hard, with that 27 win streak and that amazing 4 straight finals, but you wonder if Sidekick Wade is going to go down as better.

Honestly, a very plausible scenario where Wade wins MVP but never gets back to the finals is very possible. Which also isn't healthy for your legacy.
I'm not so sure.

Wade's style of play lended itself to a physical breakdown. He was very similar to Rafa Nadal to me. Dominant when feasible but clearly wouldn't have any type of longevity. His slogan "fall down 7 times get up 8" or whatever it was...that takes a toll on your body.

I remember him and bron goin at it in 08/09/10. It was beautiful basketball. He gave bron everything he could handle. Fun as fvck to watch.

But ultimately I don't think Lebron helped or hurt his legacy either way to the masses/media. But for me his time with Lebron cemented his greatness as a player. Without him he likely ends up with one ring. A damn impressive one at that. With Lebron he couldn't be the man.

And honestly, to me it's impressive that he had the balls to allow bron the be the guy. That's a big sacrifice that he took and his fingers are more flushed for it.

It may be widely different than most views on here but to me it's alpha to know your place and perform that way in order to win. Bron was the best in the biz. Wade knew it and took a back seat while not losing any of his incredible ability. Pretty fvckin awesome.

[BigKAT]

I'm not so sure.

Wade's style of play lended itself to a physical breakdown. He was very similar to Rafa Nadal to me. Dominant when feasible but clearly wouldn't have any type of longevity. His slogan "fall down 7 times get up 8" or whatever it was...that takes a toll on your body.

I remember him and bron goin at it in 08/09/10. It was beautiful basketball. He gave bron everything he could handle. Fun as fvck to watch.

But ultimately I don't think Lebron helped or hurt his legacy either way to the masses/media. But for me his time with Lebron cemented his greatness as a player. Without him he likely ends up with one ring. A damn impressive one at that. With Lebron he couldn't be the man.

And honestly, to me it's impressive that he had the balls to allow bron the be the guy. That's a big sacrifice that he took and his fingers are more flushed for it.

It may be widely different than most views on here but to me it's alpha to know your place and perform that way in order to win. Bron was the best in the biz. Wade knew it and took a back seat while not losing any of his incredible ability. Pretty fvckin awesome.


This somehow became a Wade thread. Not saying that's a bad thing.

But I agree. The ability to perform well at a 2nd fiddle knowing that you could be the guy on most teams, just to win.. Well. It's underrated.

There's no NBA dynasties without the Pippens, Wades and Mchales. They could be the Good Stats on a Mediocre team guys. Instead they chose to cement their legacies in rings rather then personal accolades.

[ShawkFactory]

This somehow became a Wade thread. Not saying that's a bad thing.

But I agree. The ability to perform well at a 2nd fiddle knowing that you could be the guy on most teams, just to win.. Well. It's underrated.

There's no NBA dynasties without the Pippens, Wades and Mchales. They could be the Good Stats on a Mediocre team guys. Instead they chose to cement their legacies in rings rather then personal accolades.
Can't talk on it fully because I didn't see them at their peaks, but Wade was a different beast that Pippen and McHale. Those guys seemed like quintessential 2nd fiddles. They had flaws in their games that would never allow them to be the lead dog on a championship squad. Pippen with his lack of volume scoring ability and McHale his defense.

Wade had no such flaws. He was a lead dog that adapted to the 2nd fiddle because another even bigger dog came in. That doesn't happen often.

[BigKAT]

Can't talk on it fully because I didn't see them at their peaks, but Wade was a different beast that Pippen and McHale. Those guys seemed like quintessential 2nd fiddles. They had flaws in their games that would never allow them to be the lead dog on a championship squad. Pippen with his lack of volume scoring ability and McHale his defense.

Wade had no such flaws. He was a lead dog that adapted to the 2nd fiddle because another even bigger dog came in. That doesn't happen often.


Well.

Steph Curry the next season.
Or Kevin Durant. One of them will have to do this exact thing if they want to succeed. But yeah I get the way Wade is different then Pippe and Mchale who were drafted into teams with existing Alpha dogs whom they adapted to.

[ShawkFactory]

Well.

Steph Curry the next season.
Or Kevin Durant. One of them will have to do this exact thing if they want to succeed. But yeah I get the way Wade is different then Pippe and Mchale who were drafted into teams with existing Alpha dogs whom they adapted to.
Interesting dynamic with them next year. I feel like Curry is smart and humble enough to let KD take the reigns a little bit at least. We'll see but that's what should happen, and that's what I expect to happen.

As for the thread...Isiah is another good option. He was the heart, soul, and grit of one of the GOAT teams. MVP-worthy impact.

But you have Michael and Magic doing stupid shit so it's tough to give it to him.

[BigKAT]

Interesting dynamic with them next year. I feel like Curry is smart and humble enough to let KD take the reigns a little bit at least. We'll see but that's what should happen, and that's what I expect to happen.

As for the thread...Isiah is another good option. He was the heart, soul, and grit of one of the GOAT teams. MVP-worthy impact.

But you have Michael and Magic doing stupid shit so it's tough to give it to him.

I don't know about Isiah.
Sadly never watched him play.

[pauk]

Kindof in this order:

Elgin Baylor
Jerry West
John Havlicek
Patrick Ewing
Isiah Thomas
Tracy McGrady
Dwyane Wade
Clyde Drexler
Dominique Wilkins
Adrian Dantley
Bernard King
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony

[inclinerator]

chris paul

[L.Kizzle]

Adrian Dantley.

He was a 30ppg 60% ts guy that no one really knows about.
AD was no where near an MVP level player. He was a great scorer but couldn't do much else. I'd put Alex English above him for MVP. He only had one top ten finish in MVP voting.

[GoSpursGo1984]

In order

1) Wade

- 2006 was worthy.

- 2007 he seemed like a lock before out of socket shoulder injury ruined his chances.

- 2009, removing team record due to playing with way inferior cast compared to LeBron / Kobe, I thought he was the best individual player. Even in 2010, and 2011 he was as great as any individual player in the league.

2) West
3) Zeke
4) CP3 (2008 was arguable between him and Kobe)
5) Baylor
6) Ewing / Drexler
7) Kidd (thought he deserved 2002)
8) Pippen (1994 only arguable season though)

Kidd did not deserve it in 2002. Duncan averaged 25 points 12 rebounds played in a tougher conference and his team had a better record.

[Sarcastic]

Lebron didn't hurt Wade's career. His injuries did. He would have had to settle for the 1 ring as lead dog. Maybe people would have been able to more easily compartmentalise prime Wade and the post-injuries Wade had Lebron not been around.

But it that really better than winning 2 more titles as a lesser player?

He would've had the 2011 FMVP if Lebron didn't tank it away. Wade was better than Dirk in the Finals, but Lebron was so bad, that he carried the team down. Lebron didn't want a ring without FMVP, because of the standard Jordan had set.

So yea, Lebron did hurt Wade's career in a sense.

[plowking]

Teammates Baylor & West
Those are the top two for sure.

Than you have Thomas- Drexler-Ewing-Kidd-Wade-Paul thosd guys.

lol at you acting as if Baylor and West are in a class of their own, and then dumping Wade with the rest of those guys who he is clearly better than.

Wade is equal tied with the other two you mentioned.

[ClipperRevival]

Lots of worthy guys but if I had to pick one, it would be The Flash.

[Charlie Sheen]

Zo or Ewing.

[Annyong!]

This one should be good.
No MVP awards. FMVP is allowed.


Current players - Prime Chris Paul/Paul George?

All Time- I don't know much about Pre-80's NBA, but I'll go with Paul Pierce. Awesome two-way guy. I can't think of many better then him at his prime that -DID NOT- win an MVP award. Maybe Prime T-Mac?

Who you guys got?

Edit:I think I'm going with Jason Kidd now. Good call by Xerxes. Though Wade is a great mention too.
Just of current players, you think Paul, George, and Pierce are all better than Wade?

[jrong]

Lebron didn't hurt Wade's career. His injuries did. He would have had to settle for the 1 ring as lead dog. Maybe people would have been able to more easily compartmentalise prime Wade and the post-injuries Wade had Lebron not been around.

But it that really better than winning 2 more titles as a lesser player?

Yes. The best thing LeBron ever did for Wade was leave. Had he stayed, James would have become the player psychologically associated with the franchise.

If we could turn back time, I would undo the Decision, take the 2012 and 2013 titles off the board, and I'll take 2011 Wade, Bosh and whatever they would have gotten for the money spent on LeBron, and we'll go head to head against LBJ in CLE, CHI, NY or wherever he was.

We just saw 2016 Wade get the Heat to within a game of the ECFs without Bosh or Whiteside. Give me 2011 Wade with the same supporting talent as last year's Heat, and bring on that playoff rivalry with James.

Volunteering to be LBJ's sidekick in 2012 has forever changed the way most people perceive Wade. As far as his career trajectory, it shifted him to the "Pippen track."

And then, of course, as already referenced in this thread, there were the infamous 2011 Finals. If James plays 5% better, Wade gets his 2nd FMVP, and his legacy as an all-time great is cemented. Instead, it feels like he's STILL fighting for it.

[pudman13]

There should only be two people in this conversation, and they were long-time teammates: Jerry West and Elgin Baylor.

[Lebron23]

Yes. The best thing LeBron ever did for Wade was leave. Had he stayed, James would have become the player psychologically associated with the franchise.

If we could turn back time, I would undo the Decision, take the 2012 and 2013 titles off the board, and I'll take 2011 Wade, Bosh and whatever they would have gotten for the money spent on LeBron, and we'll go head to head against LBJ in CLE, CHI, NY or wherever he was.

We just saw 2016 Wade get the Heat to within a game of the ECFs without Bosh or Whiteside. Give me 2011 Wade with the same supporting talent as last year's Heat, and bring on that playoff rivalry with James.

Volunteering to be LBJ's sidekick in 2012 has forever changed the way most people perceive Wade. As far as his career trajectory, it shifted him to the "Pippen track."

And then, of course, as already referenced in this thread, there were the infamous 2011 Finals. If James plays 5% better, Wade gets his 2nd FMVP, and his legacy as an all-time great is cemented. Instead, it feels like he's STILL fighting for it.


Cry me a River JWong.

[jrong]

There should only be two people in this conversation, and they were long-time teammates: Jerry West and Elgin Baylor.

I don't have a problem with people putting West above Wade on the basis of aggregate statistics, notwithstanding the fact that Wade's are depressed due to
injury and voluntary deference. But, considering the disparity in the number of possessions in West's era vs. Wade's (especially considering Wade's teams have historically played at a snail's pace), in terms of individual dominance within games, it's Wade and not close.

So I guess it comes down to what you consider as valuable. To me, the most valuable ability in basketball is your team being able to put the ball in your hands and say win us the game/ series/ title. It encompasses scoring, ball handling, playmaking, shooting, clutch play, basketball IQ, and often defense and rebounding too. In short: dominance.


This message is hidden because Lebron23 is on your ignore list.

No P.M. cursing me out? Isn't that more your style?

I'm not gonna apologize for the fact that I'm smarter than you or that my points are irrefutable. It's why I make my living with words.

I'm also not gonna apologize for the fact that your life is evidently so pathetic that you spend all your time here. This is my first visit to this board since July free agency, and within minutes, you're stalking me.

But, thankfully, I took care of that problem long ago.

[pudman13]

I don't have a problem with people putting West above Wade on the basis of aggregate statistics, notwithstanding the fact that Wade's are depressed due to
injury and voluntary deference. But, considering the disparity in the number of possessions in West's era vs. Wade's (especially considering Wade's teams have historically played at a snail's pace), in terms of individual dominance within games, it's Wade and not close.

So I guess it comes down to what you consider as valuable. To me, the most valuable ability in basketball is your team being able to put the ball in your hands and say win us the game/ series/ title. It encompasses scoring, ball handling, playmaking, shooting, clutch play, basketball IQ, and often defense and rebounding too. In short: dominance.


Wade is complicated. I would have put him, Stockton and Zeke next on my list. Certainly West and Baylor both fall into the categories you describe. Comparing the modern game to the 60s/early 70s game is tough, because you not only have to think about how each player would have been if they'd played in the other era, but also look at how their own era helped them to be better. Wade and Paul Pierce always irked me because their game benefited so much from plays that simply should have been called offensive fouls (Wade crashing into the defense and wildly throwing the ball towards the basket; Pierce falling into the defense on his shot rather than jumping straight up and down.) People look at West's game and say he was a lousy ballhandler, but it was an era when both travelling and palming were strictly called, so what people chose to learn and master were different. Everyone who watched his career said West would easily have been the all-time steals leader if the category was counted when he played. He was not just an amazingly reliable offensive player, but a defensive stud too. He was a warrior, plain and simple, a guy who never gave up and who was at his best in the toughest games. Baylor is harder to assess, since none of his prime is on tape at all, which is why the numbers do have to count for something. I can see arguments for Wade, but I don't think that claiming individual dominance is a fair way to compare him to these guys, considering they had to share both possessions and MVP votes with each other, while Wade's best statistical seasons were when he had his weakest teammates.

[hold this L]

This one should be good.
No MVP awards. FMVP is allowed.


Current players - Prime Chris Paul/Paul George?

All Time- I don't know much about Pre-80's NBA, but I'll go with Paul Pierce. Awesome two-way guy. I can't think of many better then him at his prime that -DID NOT- win an MVP award. Maybe Prime T-Mac?

Who you guys got?

Edit:I think I'm going with Jason Kidd now. Good call by Xerxes. Though Wade is a great mention too.
No way PG deserved(s) to get MVP. He needs to reach another level to hit that level, though prime CP3 I'd agree.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Definitely. With West nipping at his heels.

Dude had 3x legit MVP season. One derailed by a major injury in 2007 but for my money, considering he was a stud defensively as well ... for recent guards most valuable seasons

2009 Wade > 2016 / 2015 Curry and 2011 Rose.

He wouldn't have 3 rings, but he wouldn't be remembered as a hobbled sidekick either. And he'd still have the ring that he carried old Shaq.

If only Jay Williams didn't crash his bike, he would've been in a Bulls uniform from the start.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Vg0JstydL8HCg/giphy.gif


You're obviously an idiot. I'm sorry

[ShawkFactory]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Vg0JstydL8HCg/giphy.gif


You're obviously an idiot. I'm sorry
09 Wade was certainly a better player than 15 Curry at least.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

09 Wade was certainly a better player than 15 Curry at least.

Ill give you that but 16 isnt even close. The guy is obviously mentally unstable.

[Hey Yo]

Yes. The best thing LeBron ever did for Wade was leave. Had he stayed, James would have become the player psychologically associated with the franchise.

If we could turn back time, I would undo the Decision, take the 2012 and 2013 titles off the board, and I'll take 2011 Wade, Bosh and whatever they would have gotten for the money spent on LeBron, and we'll go head to head against LBJ in CLE, CHI, NY or wherever he was.

We just saw 2016 Wade get the Heat to within a game of the ECFs without Bosh or Whiteside. Give me 2011 Wade with the same supporting talent as last year's Heat, and bring on that playoff rivalry with James.

Volunteering to be LBJ's sidekick in 2012 has forever changed the way most people perceive Wade. As far as his career trajectory, it shifted him to the "Pippen track."

And then, of course, as already referenced in this thread, there were the infamous 2011 Finals. If James plays 5% better, Wade gets his 2nd FMVP, and his legacy as an all-time great is cemented. Instead, it feels like he's STILL fighting for it.
Whiteide only missed the last 3 games of Miami's playoff run....big difference between him and Bosh's games missed.

[bdreason]

One guy I haven't seen mentioned is David Robinson. I don't think he was ever the best player in the league, but he was an elite defender and led the league in scoring one year.

In '93-'94 he averaged 27/10/4 on 51/75% with 3 BPG. His PER was 30.7, and he's actually 4th all-time in career PER at 26.8.

[Smoke117]

One guy I haven't seen mentioned is David Robinson. I don't think he was ever the best player in the league, but he was an elite defender and led the league in scoring one year.

In '93-'94 he averaged 27/10/4 on 51/75% with 3 BPG. His PER was 30.7, and he's actually 4th all-time in career PER at 26.8.

...He was the 1995 league MVP. Never go full ish.

[bdreason]

oh shit my bad. No wonder he wasn't mentioned. :oldlol:

[tpols]

...He was the 1995 league MVP. Never go full ish.

to be fair he had to hand it over to hakeem a few weeks later.

[BigKAT]

to be fair he had to hand it over to hakeem a few weeks later.


:roll:

[Smoke117]

A bunch of ****ing children laughing about a player they never even watched play. :rolleyes:

[BigKAT]

A bunch of ****ing children laughing about a player they never even watched play. :rolleyes:

No need to take it personally.
I admit I've only seen the Documentry about the Houston Rockets of the 90s, and read the box score of the 95' WCF

But there's no harm in laughing about it, both were ATG's and I think most people would agree that Hakeem outplayed the MVP in that series,

All good my friend.

[Smoke117]

No need to take it personally.
I admit I've only seen the Documentry about the Houston Rockets of the 90s, and read the box score of the 95' WCF

But there's no harm in laughing about it, both were ATG's and I think most people would agree that Hakeem outplayed the MVP in that series,

All good my friend.

Regardless of what anyone says...the regular season DOES MATTER...and David Robinson is a top 5 greatest player ever in the RS...an 82 game ****ing sample size. That's impressive no matter what you haters have to say.

[BigKAT]

Regardless of what anyone says...the regular season DOES MATTER...and David Robinson is a top 5 greatest player ever in the RS...an 82 game ****ing sample size. That's impressive no matter what you haters have to say.


I don't hate the guy.

[houston]

wade of course

[Papaya Petee]

Ill give you that but 16 isnt even close. The guy is obviously mentally unstable.
Isn't close :roll:

Wade finished top 3 in DPOY, and was the best 2 way player in the world that year.
Curry couldn't guard a chair and came up with the biggest choke job in NBA history for a superstar\MVP player and had his shit pushed in by LeBron and Kyrie.
Give prime Wade this Warriors roster you will win a title guaranteed.

[La Frescobaldi]

For me it is Jerry West but can't say a guy is wrong for saying D Wade, I'm probly the only guy left on the board that ever saw Logo play.

Definitely Wade since those days, to me

[tpols]

A bunch of ****ing children laughing about a player they never even watched play. :rolleyes:

just breaking your balls mang

[Lebron23]

Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Dwayne Wade

[pudman13]

I'm probly the only guy left on the board that ever saw Logo play.


That may be true. I saw Havlicek and Frazier, but I'm not old enough to have seen West.

It would be really nice to hear from someone who saw Baylor play during his real prime, because we have much better video evidence of West's greatness than Baylor's, and it's all because of luck of the draw (which games survived and which didn't.)

[BigKAT]

For me it is Jerry West but can't say a guy is wrong for saying D Wade, I'm probly the only guy left on the board that ever saw Logo play.

Definitely Wade since those days, to me

I really envy you, if only for the fact you got to see almost everyone.
Did you get to see any of them in person or just on tv broadcasts?

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Isn't close :roll:

Wade finished top 3 in DPOY, and was the best 2 way player in the world that year.
Curry couldn't guard a chair and came up with the biggest choke job in NBA history for a superstar\MVP player and had his shit pushed in by LeBron and Kyrie.
Give prime Wade this Warriors roster you will win a title guaranteed.


:facepalm

try saying that with a straightface that 09 wade is better than 16 Curry.

I dare you fakkit. :lol :lol

[Young X]

It's a shame Chris Paul doesn't have an MVP. He's the definition of what an MVP is.

Not just to his teams but the franchises he's played for. He's been the only bright spot in terms of winning.


:facepalm

try saying that with a straightface that 09 wade is better than 16 Curry.

I dare you fakkit. :lol :lol'09 Wade > '16 Curry

Do something.

[egokiller]

Good to see people putting Pippen on the list unlike other message boards where people just assume that Pippen was only great because of MJ. Did MJ mold some of Pippen's game with them being so close, yes, but Pippen still had to put in the work.

[TommyGriffin]

It's a shame Chris Paul doesn't have an MVP. He's the definition of what an MVP is.

Not just to his teams but the franchises he's played for. He's been the only bright spot in terms of winning.

'09 Wade > '16 Curry

Do something.
You are a CP3 stan. Your word means nothing. :oldlol:

[jayfan]

Zeek.




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