Are there actually people who think Paul George is currenly better than Kyrie

[FreezingTsmoove]

This needs to be discussed because I am seriously in shock. Yall have to be trolling.

[Milbuck]

Paul George is without question better than Kyrie you complete retard :oldlol:

It's hilarious how much playing with Lejesus changes perceptions of players.

[Dray n Klay]

Umm Kyrie isn't even a top 5 player in the East you idiot OP




LeBron

Paul George

Melo

John Wall

Lowry

Derozan

Isiah Thomas/Kyrie






Kyrie is borderline a top 10 player in the East

[FreezingTsmoove]

Now lets get an answer from guys who graduated high school

[Nilocon165]

You bandwagon 3 teams and don't know shit about basketball. :facepalm

Just shut the f.uck up already

[ShawkFactory]

He's a better all-around player than Kyrie, yes.

When shit pops off and you need a bucket I may want Kyrie in my corner but on a day-to-day basis? PG is just better.

[FreezingTsmoove]

You bandwagon 3 teams and don't know shit about basketball. :facepalm

Just shut the f.uck up already

You cant even bandwagon a group of friends outside the internet thats why youre having THE WORST SUMMER EVER :roll:

[BigKAT]

Umm Kyrie isn't even a top 5 player in the East you idiot OP




LeBron

Paul George

Melo

John Wall

Lowry

Derozan

Isiah Thomas/Kyrie






Kyrie is borderline a top 10 player in the East

I take Kyrie over Lowery and Derozan's disappearing acts.
Also he's better then Isiah imo.

But yeah, George and Melo > Kyrie at this point.

[Milbuck]

I take Kyrie over Lowery and Derozan's disappearing acts.
Also he's better then Isiah imo.

But yeah, George and Melo > Kyrie at this point.
Naaaaaaaah.

PG isn't even debatable though. Literally every single GM in the league would trade Kyrie for PG right now. Even David Griffin would do that in a second :oldlol:

[BigKAT]

Naaaaaaaah.

PG isn't even debatable though. Literally every single GM in the league would trade Kyrie for PG right now. Even David Griffin would do that in a second :oldlol:


Well yeah.

When you consider age and trade value

Melo <<<<<< Kyrie

But just pound for pound who is the better player to be the guy?
I'd go with melo as things are right now. Probably Kyrie within a season or two.

[ShawkFactory]

I take Kyrie over Lowery and Derozan's disappearing acts.
Also he's better then Isiah imo.

But yeah, George and Melo > Kyrie at this point.
This motherfvcker literally just said that Kyrie and Isaiah Thomas are equal. :lol

Thank god for the ignore list. Wish I couldn't even see the quoted posts. I feel like most humans would have better things to do with their time...

[BigKAT]

This motherfvcker literally just said that Kyrie and Isaiah Thomas are equal. :lol

Thank god for the ignore list. Wish I couldn't even see the quoted posts. I feel like most humans would have better things to do with their time...


:roll:

[Milbuck]

Well yeah.

When you consider age and trade value

Melo <<<<<< Kyrie

But just pound for pound who is the better player to be the guy?
I'd go with melo as things are right now. Probably Kyrie within a season or two.
I don't think Melo right now is capable of doing what Kyrie just did in the playoffs. It's tough because I also don't know what Melo would look like next to Lebron, but what actually happened > hypothetical scenarios. Kyrie was a straight up killer and I'm not sure Melo could replicate that.

[Dray n Klay]

Umm.. Isiah was an all-star this season



Kyrie was not



Be greatful I'm saying they're equal

[FreezingTsmoove]

Message cant be seen because Dray is on your ignore list :roll:

[greatest-ever]

I'd say yes he is. Kyrie stepped his game up in the playoffs to superstar level or at least borderline superstar, but that doesn't mean much when George was much better in the regular season and is accustomed to stepping up in the postseason himself.

[Milbuck]

Now lets get an answer from guys who graduated high school
Okay, so f*ck off.

[NBAGOAT]

kyrie's close to someone like jimmy butler. George is obviously more valuable and gets kawhi comparisons who's top 5 ish.

[Bankaii]

Shit thread from a shit poster.
Lebron has raped these trolls' minds.

[Pointguard]

Paul George is one of a few players that can carry a team. There's usually only two or three players capable of doing that. But I like Kyrie's exciting game.

[GimmeThat]

while there may be many coaches who could have come close to the same success coach John Wooden had, if only they were able to attract the same amount of talented players who played for coach Wooden

However, Coach Wooden understood the importance of discipline first and foremost, as well as showing players how to balance out what two opposing teams are trying to accomplish on a basketball court

this of course, is from little of what I've read and heard, as I attempt to interpret a winner from a retro-perspective.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kyrie and Curry have visually, and skillfully the sexiest games in the league. Most exciting two to watch by far offensively. But Kyrie is in no shape or form a better player than George. PG13 is too important defensively to even take this conversation seriously, let alone his versatility, meanwhile there not even being any true separation in terms of offensive production.

[SamuraiSWISH]

If Cavs trade PG for Kyrie straight up ... Tell me Cleveland doesn't look more frightening?

G- JR Smith
G- PG13
F- LeBron
F- Love
C- Thompson

With James running the offense as Point Forward? My god. That shooting. That length. That athleticism. That defense. Scary.

George was the 2nd best player on Team USA this summer, on a roster that featured Irving. I say that and I love watching Kyrie.

[bdreason]

Pretty sure everyone outside of Cleveland would take Paul George. He's an elite two-way wing player. Kyrie is a fantastic offensive PG, but offensive PG's are a dime a dozen in the NBA.

[FKAri]

OP being a prisoner of the moment. PG > Kyrie. Stay in shock.

[tpols]

paul george is clearly better overall , but kyrie is capable of peaking at a similar or even slightly higher level.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'd say yes he is. Kyrie stepped his game up in the playoffs to superstar level or at least borderline superstar, but that doesn't mean much when George was much better in the regular season and is accustomed to stepping up in the postseason himself.
It means everything, actually. It meant a championship.

[RedBlackAttack]

If Cavs trade PG for Kyrie straight up ... Tell me Cleveland doesn't look more frightening?

G- JR Smith
G- PG13
F- LeBron
F- Love
C- Thompson

With James running the offense as Point Forward? My god. That shooting. That length. That athleticism. That defense. Scary.

George was the 2nd best player on Team USA this summer, on a roster that featured Irving. I say that and I love watching Kyrie.
...and Irving was THE BEST player on the 2014 FIBA team that featured Steph Curry, James Harden and Anthony Davis.

All those things mean is that the rosters were more adequately built around Kyrie's skillset, whereas this best Olympic team's roster was built for a player like George to shine.

Btw, early on when the team was struggling this Olympics, Kyrie helped will the team to victory a couple times. Let's not act like he had a poor showing.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Well Kyrie's scoring ability offensively ... Particularly shooting compliment LeBron's offensive weakness perfectly.

Along with his weaknesses in terms of intangibles (fear of failure) where Kyrie's huge balls is never scared of the big moment shots.

With that said Irving usually, apart from his effort on Curry, is usually horrendous defensively.


...and Irving was THE BEST player on the 2014 FIBA team that featured Steph Curry, James Harden and Anthony Davis.
I don't think that's true at all. He was shooting the hottest towards the home stretch of the tournament. The games were never really all that competitive.

AD and Harden were still probably their best players for the duration of the tournament.

If you would honestly take Kyrie over AD or Harden, I think you'd be on some Cleveland specific area basketball bath salts.

He's not a better player than either of those guys.

[tpols]

If you would honestly take Kyrie over AD or Harden, I think you'd be on some Cleveland specific area basketball bath salts.
.

:lol

kyrie was the momentum generator on that team w/ his streak scoring.. basically blew the most important games open at the starts.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Btw, early on when the team was struggling this Olympics, Kyrie helped will the team to victory a couple times. Let's not act like he had a poor showing.
I know. As Melo saved them as well. Your point? I didn't say he had a poor showing.

This was also while Durant was being passive not wanting to step on anyone's toes offensively. Late in the tournament the team organically turned towards their best offensive player, KD ... And he began to play more aggressive.

While at the same exact time Paul George began playing more for Melo and turned the tide with his pressure defense, and vocal leadership.

And it wasn't also coincidental that Team USA got even better when they had more defense on the floor, relying on Lowry to defend the PG spot more.

Lowry and PG replacing the redundancy offensively of Melo or Kyrie taking opportunities from a superior scorer in Durant ... Is why the team jelled and finally found the right amount of offensive / defensive chemistry to pull out a dominating victory in the Gold Medal game. And to lesser extent against a much more talented Spain team the round prior.

[RedBlackAttack]

I don't think that's true at all. He was shooting the hottest towards the home stretch of the tournament. The games were never really all that competitive.

AD and Harden were still probably their best players for the duration of the tournament.

If you would honestly take Kyrie over AD or Harden, I think you'd be on some Cleveland specific area basketball bath salts.

He's not a better player than either of those guys.
I'm not saying I'd "take" Kyrie over anyone. I just flipped your argument against you. You used this past Olympic Games as a reference point for proof that George is a better player than Irving. I took that same concept and applied it with the 2014 FIBA World Cup, which Irving was the best player in, hence receiving the tournament MVP. He shot something absurd like 55% from three. Curry shot around 40%, iirc. And, he led the team in assists by a long-shot.

I'm not here to argue who Kyrie is "better" than. I honestly wouldn't trade him for any of these guys, because I think he is the perfect counter-weight to LeBron, especially in the playoffs ... and he just turned 24 years old.

I think it has been established that, for anything other than role players, LeBron isn't the easiest guy to play with. I think Harden would be a train wreck. Anthony Davis? Who knows.

I'm just happy that we have a player as good and as young as Irving. No need for all these metaphorical arguments as far as I'm concerned.

[GrapeApe]

There's not many guys in the league who are capable of leading a team to the playoffs as the best player on both ends. PG is one of them. I don't think Irving can carry a team the way PG carried the Pacers last season.

[RedBlackAttack]

There's not many guys in the league who are capable of leading a team to the playoffs as the best player on both ends. PG is one of them. I don't think Irving can carry a team the way PG carried the Pacers last season.
This being used as the only measure of a player is an antiquated way of looking at things, imo, especially in an age of "Super Teams." Could Paul George score 41 points on 17-of-24 shooting in a do-or-die Game 5 at Oracle while on the same court as LeBron James, who also had room enough to score 41 of his own?

Those are the kinds of things that lead to championships.

So, what's more important? Being the guy to lead a couple of mediocre teams to the playoffs, or being able to play off of one of the greatest players of all-time in a way that no one ever has? Because, in those last three elimination games in The Finals, Irving was absolutely abusing the Warriors regardless of who they put on him.

And, really, he was one of the best players all playoffs long, either conference.

But, we have to reduce it down to how they'd fair in a different role? Why?

[SamuraiSWISH]

RBA the point of this thread is to compare players. And PG is better. Are you so drunk on Kyrie koolaid that you can't admit it?

And no Kyrie wasn't the best player on the 2014 FIBA team.

Harden 14 ppg
Klay 13 ppg
Davis 12 ppg, 7 rpg and 19 blocks
Kyrie 12 ppg

Assists which you claimed Kyrie got FAR more than anyone else

Kyrie 32
Harden 29
Curry 26

No huge separation as insinuated. He played great especially shooting at the end of the tournament. But calling him definitively that squad's best all around player is absurd.

Especially given the lack of competition or close games. Overall it was either Harden or Davis. Taking into account defensive impact, and the real reason they were so dominant ... Anthony Davis was the team's best player.

Harden was the best offensively followed by Kyrie. So he was like 3rd best for the tournament on Team USA.

[RedBlackAttack]

RBA the point of this thread is to compare players. And PG is better. Are you so drunk on Kyrie koolaid that you can't admit it?

And no Kyrie wasn't the best player on the 2014 FIBA team.

Harden 14 ppg
Klay 13 ppg
Davis 12 ppg, 7 rpg and 19 blocks
Kyrie 12 ppg

Assists which you claimed Kyrie got FAR more than anyone else

Kyrie 32
Harden 29
Curry 26

No huge separation as insinuated. He played great especially shooting at the end of the tournament. But calling him definitively that squad's best all around player is absurd.

Especially given the lack of competition or close games. Overall it was either Harden or Davis. Taking into account defensive impact, and the real reason they were so dominant ... Anthony Davis was the team's best player.

Harden was the best offensively followed by Kyrie. So he was like 3rd best for the tournament on Team USA.
No, no... it was Irving. It was clear at the time of actually watching the games. Go back and read the threads.

Also, show FG%, 3PT%, etc., and then just watch the games.


Nope, I won't "admit" that Paul George is a better player than Kyrie Irving. They play completely different roles. Kyrie can't do what George does and George can't do what Kyrie does.

It's a stupid comparison. And, it's also great that Kyrie is two years younger than George, for the sake of this particular franchise.

[FreezingTsmoove]

George has choked so many times in the playoff where as Kyrie has won every series he has ever fully played in :lol

[NuggetsFan]

This being used as the only measure of a player is an antiquated way of looking at things, imo, especially in an age of "Super Teams." Could Paul George score 41 points on 17-of-24 shooting in a do-or-die Game 5 at Oracle while on the same court as LeBron James, who also had room enough to score 41 of his own?

Those are the kinds of things that lead to championships.

So, what's more important? Being the guy to lead a couple of mediocre teams to the playoffs, or being able to play off of one of the greatest players of all-time in a way that no one ever has? Because, in those last three elimination games in The Finals, Irving was absolutely abusing the Warriors regardless of who they put on him.

And, really, he was one of the best players all playoffs long, either conference.

But, we have to reduce it down to how they'd fair in a different role? Why?

Not every team in the league is going to be blessed being a super team. That's why. We never have nor never will rate players based on how great they'd be next to another great player. You think with MJ's mentality he'd be great next to LeBron? He's not sitting there watching LeBron dribble the air out of the ball. A player who's versatile to play with anybody makes them more valuable. They shouldn't be downgraded or anything because the league isn't just about superstars. However being able to lead a team by yourself is easily the most valuable thing. Irving isn't even that versatile player anyways. He's an amazing fit for LeBron James but it's not like he's Scottie Pippen or even Klay Thompson where you can fit him in anywhere. A scoring PG who's average to below average everywhere else isn't exactly your typical glue guy. LeBron can be scared of the moment, runs the offense, most versatile player of all-time. Irving's ridiculous skill and crazy clutch ability is tailored made for LeBron. Irving is basically an elite Mo Williams. Like if Mo Williams had an elite handle, shot, and played with no fear :oldlol:

It just comes down to the fact that 95% of the league needs a legitimate superstar so players will be judged as 1# options as opposed to how well they play on the GS Warriors or with LeBron James. A team can't build Cleveland. You luck out and draft LeBron 1st overall or that's his home town.

Opportunity can't be denied. Comparing George not making the finals because he has to carry his team vs Irving playing with Love/LeBron is a big difference.

[RedBlackAttack]

Opportunity can't be denied. Comparing George not making the finals because he has to carry his team vs Irving playing with Love/LeBron is a big difference.
I'm not comparing the two. I'm saying the comparison is stupid and using how they'd do with a mediocre team as the only measure of a player is also stupid.

That's really all I'm saying.

George is a damn good player. I'm taking nothing away from the guy. You comparing Kyrie Irving to Mo Williams is to diminish him.

Mo Williams' handle is sloppy as hell and always has been. Irving has maybe the greatest handle in NBA history. The only similarity is that they are both score-first point guards who can shoot. That's it.

[NuggetsFan]

I'm not comparing the two. I'm saying the comparison is stupid and using how they'd do with a mediocre team as the only measure of a player is also stupid.



Mo Williams' handle is sloppy as hell and always has been. Irving has maybe the greatest handle in NBA history. The only similarity is that they are both score-first point guards who can shoot. That's it.

Nobody's saying how they'd do on a mediocre team. Were saying as the best player. The #1 guy. Not on a stacked roster, or playing with the best player in the entire game and a guy who ranks inside the top 10 All-Time :oldlol: if you don't think some of the pressure is relieved with James/Love vs George having nobody to fall back on your fooling yourself. That when James drops 40 the opposing defense is about 10x easier than when Paul George is out there by himself. That if you gave George the help he needed on the level of Kyrie he'd all of a sudden regress as a player.

Which is why I said "with an elite handle. Exactly. Irving and Mo Williams are both score first PG's who can shoot. Irving just happens to be amazing and an elite player unlike Mo. I wasn't comparing them directly which was implied with "basically". No comparison will ever actually work.

I get what your saying tho. Just saying it's because your a Cavs fan. NBA fans are made up of multiple franchises. How a guy fits with LeBron James or on a roster like the Cavs isn't how you'll be judged. Like I agree that the Cavs would never in a millions years move Kyrie for Paul George or even imo someone like Anthony Davis. Just the rest of the league would because they don't have that kinda team and they never will.

[SamuraiSWISH]

No, no... it was Irving. It was clear at the time of actually watching the games. Go back and read the threads.

Also, show FG%, 3PT%, etc., and then just watch the games.


Nope, I won't "admit" that Paul George is a better player than Kyrie Irving. They play completely different roles. Kyrie can't do what George does and George can't do what Kyrie does.

It's a stupid comparison. And, it's also great that Kyrie is two years younger than George, for the sake of this particular franchise.

We're not talking about roles ... we are talking about who is the better basketball player.

Using your asinine role argument, LeBron wasn't clearly the teams best player. I love Kyrie. His game is entertaining as hell and his scoring was so critical to Cleveland finally winning. He is the perfect star caliber offensive teammate to compliment Bron.

That doesn't however in his completely one dimensional glory make him a better basketball player than the guys we are comparing him to in this thread. Regardless of age.

On his own with bums Kyrie, even with his fancy handle and brilliant scoring ... wasn't making his teams better. Not once could he take them to the playoffs even in the bum ass Eastern Conference.

You've gone completely loopy in your Kyrie fandom, bro.

[Smoke117]

Ish. :facepalm

[RedBlackAttack]

We're not talking about roles ... we are talking about who is the better basketball player.

Using your asinine role argument, LeBron wasn't clearly the teams best player. I love Kyrie. His game is entertaining as hell and his scoring was so critical to Cleveland finally winning. He is the perfect star caliber offensive teammate to compliment Bron.

That doesn't however in his completely one dimensional glory make him a better basketball player than the guys we are comparing him to in this thread. Regardless of age.

On his own with bums Kyrie, even with his fancy handle and brilliant scoring ... wasn't making his teams better. Not once could he take them to the playoffs even in the bum ass Eastern Conference.

You've gone completely loopy in your Kyrie fandom, bro.
TBH, I'm tired of arguing about Irving. It's one thing after another on this site.

To compare the Cavs pre-LeBron to the roster the Pacers just made the playoffs with is asinine. I've posted their starting lineup to start the season many times, and I guess I'll do it again, and then I'm done... because I actually like Paul George as a player and I don't want to make it seem as though I'm dismissing his talent and ability.

It's really the anti-Irving people on this site keeping these things going, not me.

2013 Cleveland Cavaliers

PG: Kyrie Irving (21yo)
SG: Dion Waiters (22yo)
SF: Earl Clark
PF: Tristan Thompson (22yo)
C: Andrew Bynum (Corpse)

That team won 33 games and, looking back, that's a freaking miracle.



FWIW, I enjoy both Irving and Paul's respective games. It's like enjoying both apples and yogurt. They share little in common and probably shouldn't be compared.

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol @ acting like Kyrie aint shit. Dude was the offensive spark that the Cavs needed and was largely the best player in the playoffs.....and arguably the most important player in the finals outside of Draymond.

It's been a while since I've seen a player score in bunches and at will like Kyrie did in a MULTITUDE of ways.

Step backs
layups
absorbing contact
mid range
pump fake + 1 dribble pull-up


It didn't make sense.....

[Smoke117]

Lol @ acting like Kyrie aint shit. Dude was the offensive spark that the Cavs needed and was largely the best player in the playoffs.....and arguably the most important player in the finals outside of Draymond.

It's been a while since I've seen a player score in bunches and at will like Kyrie did in a MULTITUDE of ways.

Step backs
layups
absorbing contact
mid range
pump fake + 1 dribble pull-up


It didn't make sense.....

One of the biggest dipshits on the board chiming in now...:rolleyes:

[Nilocon165]

Lol @ acting like Kyrie aint shit. Dude was the offensive spark that the Cavs needed and was largely the best player in the playoffs.....and arguably the most important player in the finals outside of Draymond

Also, here's a vid of me from the other day.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/saleenpowr/f_tardm_6e14028.gif

:biggums:

[Bankaii]

Lol @ acting like Kyrie aint shit. Dude was the offensive spark that the Cavs needed and was largely the best player in the playoffs.....and arguably the most important player in the finals outside of Draymond.
The amount of delusion some of these kids go through to discredit Lebron is just :oldlol:

[34-24 Footwork]

My two favorite women on this board getting emotional because I can appreciate Kyrie Irving.

Relax ladies, yall 2 are still my 2 favorite hoes :rockon:

Edit: 3 hoes. Hat trick

[Nilocon165]

My two favorite women on this board getting emotional because I can appreciate Kyrie Irving.

Relax ladies, yall 2 are still my 2 favorite hoes :rockon:
It's not because you like Kyrie.

Hell, he's my favorite player alongside Lebron and I've watched like every game of his pro career.

Its about you thinking that Lebron was not as important as Kyrie or Draymond in the playoffs, which is just fcking delusional.

[SouBeachTalents]

My two favorite women on this board getting emotional because I can appreciate Kyrie Irving.

Relax ladies, yall 2 are still my 2 favorite hoes :rockon:

Edit: 3 hoes. Hat trick

I think LeBron's hat trick of FMVP's has you upset

[34-24 Footwork]

ROFL. Lebron could've stopped playing in 2013 and would've been in my top 10 of all time, easily.

However, It's cute watching you guys' vaginus dry up when someone talks about the skillset of Wade/Bosh/Kyrie/Love etc.

Now get back out there and make that money for daddy.

[34-24 Footwork]

I think LeBron's hat trick of FMVP's has you upset

You know you're my number 1

[Dray n Klay]

ROFL. Lebron could've stopped playing in 2013 and would've been in my top 10 of all time, easily.

However, It's cute watching you guys' vaginus dry up when someone talks about the skillset of Wade/Bosh/Kyrie/Love etc.

Now get back out there and make that money for daddy.


So Kyrie >> Kobe?



Considering he just had a better Finals than any of Kobes :confusedshrug:

[34-24 Footwork]

So Kyrie >> Kobe?



Considering he just had a better Finals than any of Kobes :confusedshrug:

Seeing as Kyrie dedicated his finals performance to Kobe Bryant, I'd say so.

Looks like you got me on this one :cheers:

I'll hold this L

[CTbasketball92]

I think this is a close one, and PG & Irving both find themselves on the cusp of superstardom, but for one reason or another, have been knocked off track at different points.

PG is an all-star level scorer really and an All NBA defender. He can pass the ball a bit, score a good amount and ... yeah, he's really good. Basically Rudy Gay level offense with top-tier defensive abilities. My thing with PG is that he doesn't really shoot all that well from anywhere on the floor, so he shoots a pretty damn bad 42% from the field even though he's 6'8" wil really good athleticism. He only shoots 60% at the rim, which is pretty poor considering he has a 40 inch vertical and a long wingspan. He doesn't shoot too well from midrange, and he's just a "good" three point shooter, and he's pretty damn streaky.

Irving is probably as skilled scoring the ball as anyone's ever been. Best handle ever, elite midrange shot, very good long ball, mediocre passing and below average-piss poor defender. Even though Kyrie is incredibly skilled and can get off a good shot for him at any time, the most points he's ever averaged is 23 points, which is good, but obviously not truly elite, and his career TS% is like 2-3 percentage points higher than russell westbrook, so not truly elite either. I think what people might not realize is that Kyrie has never had a month where he averaged 30 points a game. He clearly has had to adjust to lebron, and before he tried being more of a tradtional one, so it's hard to imagine that 23 ppg is his ceiling.

BUT still, Kyrie's offensive production doesn't really trump Paul George's by a large margin, and Paul George can take over a game just by making defensive plays and taking star players out of a game. When Kyrie isn't hitting shots, he actually becomes almost unplayable at times. His defense just gets exposed and his passes aren't all that precise and his court vision is average at best. I don't think there's ever an instance where PG is truly unplayable. He has a higher floor than Irving. BUT Irving's peaks during the playoffs are pretty much the stuff of all time greats. He is a guy that can legitimately outplay anyone in the league not-named-lebron. PG is also elite in the playoffs, though, and his series against the Raptors was legitimately the stuff of superstars, and so was his 2014 playoff run.

Overall, PG is the second best player in the East, but if Kyrie can replicate his playoff production and get back to his 2014-2015 defense, they'll be a virtual tie.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kyrie Irving the best player for the Cavs in the Playoffs and Finals? What?!

:oldlol:

No amount of LeBron shade throwing can compete with that garbage. Kyrie Irving being an elite version of 2009 Mo Williams is precisely on target. Which is why he's taylor made offensively to play with King James. As for Kyrie or Paul George for the playoffs alone?

25 ppg, 5 apg, 3 rpg

or

27 ppg, 4 apg, 8 rpg, 2 spg

[plowking]

I'd rather have Melo over both. I honestly think Melo has been packing in the season early recently because he has been on a bad team. Dude is still a better player than both. When there is something to play for, he is quite clearly better than Kyrie and PG. Olympics being evidence enough.

[Sportal]

Yeah, Paul George is better.

I mean... Come on... If you had to choose... Your team is blank, and you have to pick either Irving or George...

Anyway.. Does anyone else think the Pacers are going to be good this season? Shit. They got rid of George Hill and got Jeff Teague..? Like, wtf.

[G-train]

Granted, George is a better defender that Irving.

But I am taking Irving, due to his offence and his MINDSET.

Despite basketball dolts calling people retards for choosing Irving, they are both all-star players and you probably can't go wrong with either.

But I take Irving for his will to win, pressure abilities, overall mental strength, etc... on top of his elite offence.

[CTbasketball92]

Kyrie Irving the best player for the Cavs in the Playoffs and Finals? What?!

:oldlol:

No amount of LeBron shade throwing can compete with that garbage. Kyrie Irving being an elite version of 2009 Mo Williams is precisely on target. Which is why he's taylor made offensively to play with King James. As for Kyrie or Paul George for the playoffs alone?

25 ppg, 5 apg, 3 rpg

or

27 ppg, 4 apg, 8 rpg, 2 spg

Comparing stats doesn't work here. And for what's worth, Kyrie had like a 27 PER by the end of the first round and led the Cavs in scoring. He was legitimately their best player that series. I think PG was impressive for getting there in the first place ... BUT with his streak jumper and over-reliance on it relative to his size, there's no way of telling if he could've kept up that pace. Kyrie played at a superstar level for four playoff series, and shredded the league's best defense in a way no other player has proven to be capable of.

I'll take a hyper-Mo Williams if they do what Irving just did. Get me someone like that with another superstar, and you've got a great shot to win any series. Also, PG dragged this pedestrian team to the playoffs, but it was still better than any of Irving's Cavs rosters, and he's four or five years older than Irving was when Irving won 33 games with the Cavs, so it hasnt even been proven that this version of Irving couldnt lead a decent/mediocre team to the playoffs.

George>Kyrie, but if Irving carries the playoffs into this season? They're basically a tie in my eyes.

[CTbasketball92]

I'd rather have Melo over both. I honestly think Melo has been packing in the season early recently because he has been on a bad team. Dude is still a better player than both. When there is something to play for, he is quite clearly better than Kyrie and PG. Olympics being evidence enough.

Kyrie clearly outplayed Melo, and mind you, Kyrie was playing outside of his role too. Melo shot 39% from the field. Kyrie shot 48% and 5 assists and less than two turnovers per game while getting 11 or 12 points a game.

[ClipperRevival]

I take the athletic, long, 6'8" wing player. A guy like that can impact the game much more on both ends. Sure, Kyrie has the edge in scoring but I take PG if I had to pick one to start a team.

[Human Error]

Eastern conference players ranking

Lebron James > Paul George > Andre Drummond > Hassan Whiteside > Jimmy Butler > Al Horford > Demar Derozan > Kyle Lowry > Kyrie Irving > John Wall > Isaiah Thomas > Paul Millsap > Kemba Walker > Carmelo Anthony > Reggie Jackson > Giannis Antetokounmpo > Dwight Howard > Khris Middleton > Nikola Vucevic > Brook Lopez > Jeff Teague > Tobias Harris

[Smoke117]

This board is such a ****ing joke that we actually have to have a thread to know Paul George is better than Kyrie Irving...jesus christ you ****ing maggots are pathetic.

[Smoke117]

I'd rather have Melo over both. I honestly think Melo has been packing in the season early recently because he has been on a bad team. Dude is still a better player than both. When there is something to play for, he is quite clearly better than Kyrie and PG. Olympics being evidence enough.

What are you...just trying to go out of your way to say stupid ****ing shit now? You'd rather have Marshmelo over Paul George? Go ****ing kill yourself.

[plowking]

What are you...just trying to go out of your way to say stupid ****ing shit now? You'd rather have Marshmelo over Paul George? Go ****ing kill yourself.

You gimp piece of shit. You got a hard on for me you fruitcake?

You set one foot wrong or so much as speak out of turn if you're ever around me and I'd fold you into a f*cking pretzel. You lard ass, angry at the world, haven't achieved nothing piece of crap. Calling other people marshmelo when your ass sits in that computer chair popping blood vessels getting upset over trivial shit all day.

You haven't got a lick going for you, and its too late for your dumb ass to turn your life around. Sit the fark down in your computer chair, and shut the f*ck up. You sound remedial and simple at the best of times.

[Nilocon165]

You gimp piece of shit. You got a hard on for me you fruitcake?

You set one foot wrong or so much as speak out of turn if you're ever around me and I'd fold you into a f*cking pretzel. You lard ass, angry at the world, haven't achieved nothing piece of crap. Calling other people marshmelo when your ass sits in that computer chair popping blood vessels getting upset over trivial shit all day.

You haven't got a lick going for you, and its too late for your dumb ass to turn your life around. Sit the fark down in your computer chair, and shut the f*ck up. You sound remedial and simple at the best of times.
:lebronamazed:

[Nilocon165]

This board is such a ****ing joke that we actually have to have a thread to know Paul George is better than Kyrie Irving...jesus christ you ****ing maggots are pathetic.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11753013

[Doranku]

You gimp piece of shit. You got a hard on for me you fruitcake?

You set one foot wrong or so much as speak out of turn if you're ever around me and I'd fold you into a f*cking pretzel. You lard ass, angry at the world, haven't achieved nothing piece of crap. Calling other people marshmelo when your ass sits in that computer chair popping blood vessels getting upset over trivial shit all day.

You haven't got a lick going for you, and its too late for your dumb ass to turn your life around. Sit the fark down in your computer chair, and shut the f*ck up. You sound remedial and simple at the best of times.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[raprap]

You gimp piece of shit. You got a hard on for me you fruitcake?

You set one foot wrong or so much as speak out of turn if you're ever around me and I'd fold you into a f*cking pretzel. You lard ass, angry at the world, haven't achieved nothing piece of crap. Calling other people marshmelo when your ass sits in that computer chair popping blood vessels getting upset over trivial shit all day.

You haven't got a lick going for you, and its too late for your dumb ass to turn your life around. Sit the fark down in your computer chair, and shut the f*ck up. You sound remedial and simple at the best of times.
:roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

You gimp piece of shit. You got a hard on for me you fruitcake?

You set one foot wrong or so much as speak out of turn if you're ever around me and I'd fold you into a f*cking pretzel. You lard ass, angry at the world, haven't achieved nothing piece of crap. Calling other people marshmelo when your ass sits in that computer chair popping blood vessels getting upset over trivial shit all day.

You haven't got a lick going for you, and its too late for your dumb ass to turn your life around. Sit the fark down in your computer chair, and shut the f*ck up. You sound remedial and simple at the best of times.
:eek:

[Milbuck]

You gimp piece of shit. You got a hard on for me you fruitcake?

You set one foot wrong or so much as speak out of turn if you're ever around me and I'd fold you into a f*cking pretzel. You lard ass, angry at the world, haven't achieved nothing piece of crap. Calling other people marshmelo when your ass sits in that computer chair popping blood vessels getting upset over trivial shit all day.

You haven't got a lick going for you, and its too late for your dumb ass to turn your life around. Sit the fark down in your computer chair, and shut the f*ck up. You sound remedial and simple at the best of times.
:roll:
:roll: :roll:

:yaohappy: :roll: :roll:

[RedBlackAttack]

You gimp piece of shit. You got a hard on for me you fruitcake?

You set one foot wrong or so much as speak out of turn if you're ever around me and I'd fold you into a f*cking pretzel. You lard ass, angry at the world, haven't achieved nothing piece of crap. Calling other people marshmelo when your ass sits in that computer chair popping blood vessels getting upset over trivial shit all day.

You haven't got a lick going for you, and its too late for your dumb ass to turn your life around. Sit the fark down in your computer chair, and shut the f*ck up. You sound remedial and simple at the best of times.
Whoa nilly. :oldlol:

[dubnation]

You gimp piece of shit. You got a hard on for me you fruitcake?

You set one foot wrong or so much as speak out of turn if you're ever around me and I'd fold you into a f*cking pretzel. You lard ass, angry at the world, haven't achieved nothing piece of crap. Calling other people marshmelo when your ass sits in that computer chair popping blood vessels getting upset over trivial shit all day.

You haven't got a lick going for you, and its too late for your dumb ass to turn your life around. Sit the fark down in your computer chair, and shut the f*ck up. You sound remedial and simple at the best of times.

Damn Plow, don't do em like that :roll:

Smoke is ISH's angry alcoholic we all know that

[SilkkTheShocker]

George is arguably the 3rd best SF in the league behind LeBron and Leonard. Irving is a beast, but George has been the best player on multiple teams that have made deep playoff runs. Until Irving takes a team to the playoffs without LeBron, people will use that against him.

[SilkkTheShocker]

paul george is clearly better overall , but kyrie is capable of peaking at a similar or even slightly higher level.

No. PG13 is an elite defensive player. Not a knock against Irving, but he doesn't have the athletic tools to be the pest in that department George is.

[SilkkTheShocker]

George has choked so many times in the playoff where as Kyrie has won every series he has ever fully played in :lol

Kyrie's team made the Finals with him hurt the whole postseason. Pacers are picking top 3-5 without George. The comparisons aren't even close. PG13 has way more responsibilities.

[dubnation]

George is arguably the 3rd best SF in the league behind LeBron and Leonard. Irving is a beast, but George has been the best player on multiple teams that have made deep playoff runs. Until Irving takes a team to the playoffs without LeBron, people will use that against him.

Kyrie can't lead a team anywhere himself imo, but after watching the finals there isn't anyone else in the league I'd want as a second option in the playoffs. The guy shines in big moments and is clutch as hell.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Eastern conference players ranking

Lebron James > Paul George > Andre Drummond > Hassan Whiteside > Jimmy Butler > Al Horford > Demar Derozan > Kyle Lowry > Kyrie Irving > John Wall > Isaiah Thomas > Paul Millsap > Kemba Walker > Carmelo Anthony > Reggie Jackson > Giannis Antetokounmpo > Dwight Howard > Khris Middleton > Nikola Vucevic > Brook Lopez > Jeff Teague > Tobias Harris

Drummond is so overrated lol.

[qrich]

If you have a redraft of all the current players, Paul George would go before Kyrie every single time.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Kyrie can't lead a team anywhere himself imo, but after watching the finals there isn't anyone else in the league I'd want as a second option in the playoffs. The guy shines in big moments and is clutch as hell.

Not denying that. Arguably the most clutch player in the league. But I would take George over Irving to start a team.

[Kblaze8855]

Paul George is a better basketball player....

Kyrie may be a better "other guy" because he gets so hot so fast.....doesnt make him better at basketball.

The offensive difference between the two may be be there....but the defensive difference?

You could argue you would rather have Kyrie in his role than George in his....but im not sure how id go about arguing hes better at basketball.

Hes on a better team. A team that puts him on a stage to shine and get a lot of love. But talking basketball?

Eh.

Hes a wicked ball handler and scorer...who doesnt seem to run his offense well(and didnt before Lebron either) and doesnt matter on defense. And he doesnt have the "Well...look at the Ws...hes carrying this team" to point at because of Lebron. Kyrie could skip the season the cavs are still making the finals.....

Hes Stephon Marbury with worse defense in a time where guys like him tend to prosper more than they did in the early 2000s.

Get Marbury away from the "My god..." level defenses like the Pistons and Spurs...and the slow down tactics of that time? Let him be in his prime after the rule changes where all the previous stars hit career highs?

The way guards are defended now...

You couldnt do shit with prime Marbury. And he was a better and more willing playmaker too.

Kyrie is in a perfect position for a guy like him. On a team that doesnt really...need...him to exist....with too much talent for his lack of playmaking to matter. You could bring him off the bench like Vinnie Johnson and let him be their microwave and have similar results.

Hes a great young player. And hes probably gonna end up in the hall of fame if he stays healthy.

But Gus Williams would end up in the hall of fame if hed stayed healthy and played with Lebron long enough. And most of you dont know who that is....

[Smoke117]

You gimp piece of shit. You got a hard on for me you fruitcake?

You set one foot wrong or so much as speak out of turn if you're ever around me and I'd fold you into a f*cking pretzel. You lard ass, angry at the world, haven't achieved nothing piece of crap. Calling other people marshmelo when your ass sits in that computer chair popping blood vessels getting upset over trivial shit all day.

You haven't got a lick going for you, and its too late for your dumb ass to turn your life around. Sit the fark down in your computer chair, and shut the f*ck up. You sound remedial and simple at the best of times.

holy shit what a meltdown :roll: :roll: :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What are you...just trying to go out of your way to say stupid ****ing shit now? You'd rather have Marshmelo over Paul George? Go ****ing kill yourself.


You gimp piece of shit. You got a hard on for me you fruitcake?

You set one foot wrong or so much as speak out of turn if you're ever around me and I'd fold you into a f*cking pretzel. You lard ass, angry at the world, haven't achieved nothing piece of crap. Calling other people marshmelo when your ass sits in that computer chair popping blood vessels getting upset over trivial shit all day.

You haven't got a lick going for you, and its too late for your dumb ass to turn your life around. Sit the fark down in your computer chair, and shut the f*ck up. You sound remedial and simple at the best of times.

Damn. Nobody told me Paul Blart and Steven Seagal posted on ISH :biggums:

[Nilocon165]

holy shit what a meltdown :roll: :roll: :roll:
You told him to kill himself because he picked Melo over George.

We know what the real meltdown was

[Milbuck]

holy shit what a meltdown
Let it go bud, you got shat on :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

good brawl

[Smoke117]

Let it go bud, you got shat on :oldlol:

It's impossible to take offense to something you don't even remember, dipshit.

[Smoke117]

You told him to kill himself because he picked Melo over George.

We know what the real meltdown was

Is that what I said it about? Shit it's true then...what kind of stupid mother****er would take melo over PG?

[Nilocon165]

Is that what I said it about? Shit it's true then...what kind of stupid mother****er would take melo over PG?
:oldlol:

[34-24 Footwork]

Considering how everyone was saying that Kyrie was a defenseless ball hog just 6 months ago....for him to LOCK DOWN the 2 time MVP and GREATEST SHOOTER OF ALL TIME while scoring on anyone at will is phenomenal.


Not sure of Paul George is capable of scoring or defending at that clip post leg snap.

Argue all you want though.

[BigKAT]

Considering how everyone was saying that Kyrie was a defenseless ball hog just 6 months ago....for him to LOCK DOWN the 2 time MVP and GREATEST SHOOTER OF ALL TIME while scoring on anyone at will is phenomenal.


Not sure of Paul George is capable of scoring or defending at that clip post leg snap.

Argue all you want though.


I would not call 22 PPG on 40% FG/40% 3pt FG lock down,
but it's not bad at all. Quite impressive considering curry's regular season stats.

Was Kyrie his main match up though? I watched all the games but for the life of me I can't remember if Kyrie guarded him that much.

There was so much switching in that series, the most I've ever seen.
Love on Curry,
TT on Curry,
Shumpert on Curry,
Lebron on Curry.

Anyone knows just how often was Kyrie guarding curry?

[bdreason]

Considering how everyone was saying that Kyrie was a defenseless ball hog just 6 months ago....for him to LOCK DOWN the 2 time MVP and GREATEST SHOOTER OF ALL TIME while scoring on anyone at will is phenomenal.





I hate to say it, but who wasn't locking down Curry in the Finals? Honestly, I watched TT and Love lock him down multiple times on the perimeter. No excuses being made, but regular season Curry was embarrassing Bigs on the perimeter. Whether it was mental or physical, Curry was playing like garbage in the Finals, against everyone that guarded him.

[tpols]

No. PG13 is an elite defensive player. Not a knock against Irving, but he doesn't have the athletic tools to be the pest in that department George is.

and george doesnt have the tools to go on the score streaks kyrie does. Over the long haul of course id take george but for a series or two kyrie could definitely outplay him. He's outplayed better players.

[swagga]

and george doesnt have the tools to go on the score streaks kyrie does. Over the long haul of course id take george but for a series or two kyrie could definitely outplay him. He's outplayed better players.

too bad basketball isn't played 1v1 ... oh I forgot I'm talking to a shattered kobe fan going through THE roughest period of his life :roll: what a summer for the lebron hater tbh, raining salt each and every god damned day.

lmao kyrie an mvp level player, lebron fcked y'all something fierce tbh. :oldlol:

[Smoke117]

too bad basketball isn't played 1v1 ... oh I forgot I'm talking to a shattered kobe fan going through THE roughest period of his life :roll: what a summer for the lebron hater tbh, raining salt each and every god damned day.

lmao kyrie an mvp level player, lebron fcked y'all something fierce tbh. :oldlol:

What do you expect? A kobe stan only cares about scoring...wow surprising. :rolleyes:

[tpols]

i was the one advocating for PG to start in the olympics and said he was the best player on the squad.. also had tremendous respect for him laying the dookie down on toronto single handedly.. yall trippin.

[Smoke117]

i was the one advocating for PG to start in the olympics and said he was the best player on the squad.. also had tremendous respect for him laying the dookie down on toronto single handedly.. yall trippin.

meltdown

[tpols]

meltdown

okay, billy bob.

[Smoke117]

okay, billy bob.

lol i'm just ****ing with you, baby boy. Relax. It's ****ing ish...if you're not trolling...you're not trying.

[Milbuck]

lol i'm just ****ing with you, baby boy. Relax. It's ****ing ish...if you're not trolling...you're not trying.
MELTDOWN :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:roll::roll:

[swagga]

i was the one advocating for PG to start in the olympics and said he was the best player on the squad.. also had tremendous respect for him laying the dookie down on toronto single handedly.. yall trippin.

backpedaling, kobe style. "fck charlotte" "i always stayed with my team" "can't play with shaq" "I won them the good old way". son just call it quits.:lol

[Smoke117]

MELTDOWN :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:roll:

You are literally following me around and I'm having the meltdown...:facepalm

[MiseryCityTexas]

Considering how everyone was saying that Kyrie was a defenseless ball hog just 6 months ago....for him to LOCK DOWN the 2 time MVP and GREATEST SHOOTER OF ALL TIME while scoring on anyone at will is phenomenal.


Not sure of Paul George is capable of scoring or defending at that clip post leg snap.

Argue all you want though.

irving has a squad and george doesn't.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Irving played on a losing team before Lebron came back. Irving can't carry a whole team to the play-offs like George can

[MiseryCityTexas]

Who's the second best player on the Pacers team after Paul George last season? George Hill?:oldlol: Rodney Stuckey?:biggums:

[BigKAT]

Who's the second best player on the Pacers team after Paul George last season? George Hill?:oldlol: Rodney Stuckey?:biggums:

Don't forget Monta Ellis dude.
But yeah, your point got across.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Monta Ellis ain't been shit since the 2009-2010 NBA season. He's been a stat padding non factor ever since he left Golden State.

[BigKAT]

Monta Ellis ain't been shit since the 2009-2010 NBA season. He's been a stat padding non factor ever since he left Golden State.

I really liked him on Dallas actually.
Helped give the 2014 spurs a real scare in the playoffs.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Ellis is nothing but a poor man's allen iverson.

[KiiiiNG]

lol i'm just ****ing with you, baby boy. Relax. It's ****ing ish...if you're not trolling...you're not trying.
Whaddup Thurman?

[FreezingTsmoove]

can yall nikkas read I said CURRENTLY

why the hell are yall bringing up pre leg snap Paul Georges acolades. That doesnt mean shit hes not the same player nor is Kyrie

Say whatever you want Kyrie IS better than PG right now

[Doranku]

lol @ thinking PG could carry that awful Cavs team to the playoffs in his first few years in the league like you're trashing Kyrie for not doing.

I'll take Kyrie over PG every day of the week. PG is too wildly inconsistent to be a reliable #1 option.

Not to mention Kyrie is only going to get better, whereas I'm pretty sure PG has peaked. I can't imagine him ever becoming better than he is now. He'll always be a ~22 ppg scorer on ~44% with great defense.

And it's not like this guy is some world beater on defense. LeBron never had any issues with the Pacers three straight years in the playoffs. Who has PG even locked down in the playoffs? Anyone?

Kyrie's ability to score from anywhere on the court at any given time and open up seams against elite defenses is more valuable than anything PG has to offer, especially in today's league and especially in the playoffs.

[G-train]

Paul George is a better basketball player....

Kyrie may be a better "other guy" because he gets so hot so fast.....doesnt make him better at basketball.

The offensive difference between the two may be be there....but the defensive difference?

You could argue you would rather have Kyrie in his role than George in his....but im not sure how id go about arguing hes better at basketball.

Hes on a better team. A team that puts him on a stage to shine and get a lot of love. But talking basketball?

Eh.

Hes a wicked ball handler and scorer...who doesnt seem to run his offense well(and didnt before Lebron either) and doesnt matter on defense. And he doesnt have the "Well...look at the Ws...hes carrying this team" to point at because of Lebron. Kyrie could skip the season the cavs are still making the finals.....

Hes Stephon Marbury with worse defense in a time where guys like him tend to prosper more than they did in the early 2000s.

Get Marbury away from the "My god..." level defenses like the Pistons and Spurs...and the slow down tactics of that time? Let him be in his prime after the rule changes where all the previous stars hit career highs?

The way guards are defended now...

You couldnt do shit with prime Marbury. And he was a better and more willing playmaker too.

Kyrie is in a perfect position for a guy like him. On a team that doesnt really...need...him to exist....with too much talent for his lack of playmaking to matter. You could bring him off the bench like Vinnie Johnson and let him be their microwave and have similar results.

Hes a great young player. And hes probably gonna end up in the hall of fame if he stays healthy.

But Gus Williams would end up in the hall of fame if hed stayed healthy and played with Lebron long enough. And most of you dont know who that is....

What on earth do other star players like Gus and Starbury have to do with Irving and PG? smh

I'm taking Irving, cos George is a cry baby, whiny, excuse making pus$y, and Irving is big game assassin. I'll hide his defence as much as possible, and take W's.

[G-train]

Ellis is nothing but a poor man's allen iverson.

Ellis is cooked

[RRR3]

lol @ thinking PG could carry that awful Cavs team to the playoffs in his first few years in the league like you're trashing Kyrie for not doing.

I'll take Kyrie over PG every day of the week. PG is too wildly inconsistent to be a reliable #1 option.

Not to mention Kyrie is only going to get better, whereas I'm pretty sure PG has peaked. I can't imagine him ever becoming better than he is now. He'll always be a ~22 ppg scorer on ~44% with great defense.

And it's not like this guy is some world beater on defense. LeBron never had any issues with the Pacers three straight years in the playoffs. Who has PG even locked down in the playoffs? Anyone?

Kyrie's ability to score from anywhere on the court at any given time and open up seams against elite defenses is more valuable than anything PG has to offer, especially in today's league and especially in the playoffs.
You're going to punish PG for getting outplayed by LeBron James? :kobe:

PG put up 23.1 PPG on 55.7% TS last year, Kyrie's best scoring seasons are 22.5 PPG on 55.3 TS% (sophomore season) and 21.7 PPG on 58.0 TS% (first year with LeBron and Love). You guys act as if Kyrie is clearly a better scorer than George. There is no evidence to support this.



FWIW I expect Kyrie to be scoring 25+ PPG soon.

[CTbasketball92]

You're going to punish PG for getting outplayed by LeBron James? :kobe:

PG put up 23.1 PPG on 55.7% TS last year, Kyrie's best scoring seasons are 22.5 PPG on 55.3 TS% (sophomore season) and 21.7 PPG on 58.0 TS% (first year with LeBron and Love). You guys act as if Kyrie is clearly a better scorer than George. There is no evidence to support this.



FWIW I expect Kyrie to be scoring 25+ PPG soon.

Ehh, i do think Kyrie is definitely a better scorer than PG, but they're similar in that they both become elite during the playoffs. Paul George literally becomes a top 7 player in the postseason every time, if not top 5. Note: PG this past season (his age 25 season) was four years older than Kyrie when he put up 22.5 ppg on 55.3 TS%.

[juju151111]

Paul George is a better basketball player....

Kyrie may be a better "other guy" because he gets so hot so fast.....doesnt make him better at basketball.

The offensive difference between the two may be be there....but the defensive difference?

You could argue you would rather have Kyrie in his role than George in his....but im not sure how id go about arguing hes better at basketball.

Hes on a better team. A team that puts him on a stage to shine and get a lot of love. But talking basketball?

Eh.

Hes a wicked ball handler and scorer...who doesnt seem to run his offense well(and didnt before Lebron either) and doesnt matter on defense. And he doesnt have the "Well...look at the Ws...hes carrying this team" to point at because of Lebron. Kyrie could skip the season the cavs are still making the finals.....

Hes Stephon Marbury with worse defense in a time where guys like him tend to prosper more than they did in the early 2000s.

Get Marbury away from the "My god..." level defenses like the Pistons and Spurs...and the slow down tactics of that time? Let him be in his prime after the rule changes where all the previous stars hit career highs?

The way guards are defended now...

You couldnt do shit with prime Marbury. And he was a better and more willing playmaker too.

Kyrie is in a perfect position for a guy like him. On a team that doesnt really...need...him to exist....with too much talent for his lack of playmaking to matter. You could bring him off the bench like Vinnie Johnson and let him be their microwave and have similar results.

Hes a great young player. And hes probably gonna end up in the hall of fame if he stays healthy.

But Gus Williams would end up in the hall of fame if hed stayed healthy and played with Lebron long enough. And most of you dont know who that is....
You think Marbury would put up 27 ppg in the finals and be has clutch in the finals.
Cavs need him and thats cause the East is weak

[Kblaze8855]

Who knows? Playing off a 30ppg lead scorer who dropped 40 back to back in a league more dominated by guards likely factors into what Marbury could do in his place. But lets say he couldnt. Lets say George couldnt.

I dont think prime Kevin Garnett would have put up 27ppg or been as clutch(scoring wise) next to Lebron in the finals.

Doesnt mean Kyrie is a better basketball player.

An often over dribbling, shaky decision making, bigtime scoring point has his uses. One of them? Getting you a bucket or two when shit gets real....provided you have a superior player on the team to get you to real situations to begin with.

But im not just...out looking for a guy like Kyrie to be my franchise player.

IfI have a wicked defense built in and just need a lead guard to hold it together on offense and take as little away on defense as he could manage?

Ok. i'll take him.

But building a team from scratch? Hes not high on my list of draft choices. I know hes a great talent. Doesnt mean he fits what id be trying to do with my team.

I know Pistol Pete was great too. But im not just...looking for what hes offering.

I can acknowledge his HOF talent while not really begging for it to be on my team when I have other options worth considering.

[Nastradamus]

Lol, Paul George is obviously better than Kyrie

[SilkkTheShocker]

I think Irving is an elite player in this league, not to mention the most clutch. But I don't see an argument for him over PG13. You can't compare the responsibilities both teams have for their respective teams. George has a way bigger workload. Most of the people saying Irving are known LeBron haters anyways lol. Irving though should take the next step this season. And is easily a top 5 PG. I lmfao when people say they would take Wall over him :oldlol:

[stalkerforlife]

PG is overrated as hell...it's comical.

Irving is better because he can take over games better and he's the best one on one player in the world.

PG shot 41% last season and you people are kissing his swiss army knife ass?

PG is a jack of all trades, but a master of none.

Irving is a MASTER SCORER.

[Nastradamus]

I think Irving is an elite player in this league, not to mention the most clutch. But I don't see an argument for him over PG13. You can't compare the responsibilities both teams have for their respective teams. George has a way bigger workload. Most of the people saying Irving are known LeBron haters anyways lol. Irving though should take the next step this season. And is easily a top 5 PG. I lmfao when people say they would take Wall over him :oldlol:

Irving as your best player and you probably don't make the playoffs. Depends on the squad though. A team like Toronto is set up for him to succeed obviously.

[Nastradamus]

PG is overrated as hell...it's comical.

Irving is better because he can take over games better and he's the best one on one player in the world.

PG shot 41% last season and you people are kissing his swiss army knife ass?

PG is a jack of all trades, but a master of none.

Irving is a MASTER SCORER.

Lol, George had the higher TS% homey. George also scored 1 more point per 100. Now, Irving plays with Lebron you might say. Irving still had a 29 USG% to George's 30.

George is every bit the master scorer.

[Dro]

Definitely staying out of this one....But lets just say, lots of bs being thrown around here about stats...

[swagga]

PG is overrated as hell...it's comical.

Irving is better because he can take over games better and he's the best one on one player in the world.

PG shot 41% last season and you people are kissing his swiss army knife ass?

PG is a jack of all trades, but a master of none.

Irving is a MASTER SCORER.

i shouldn't even reply to one of the clinically insane people on this forum but paul george is a top 5 wing defender in the league, if that isn't mastery ..

[jayfan]

Umm.. Isiah was an all-star this season



Kyrie was not



Be greatful I'm saying they're equal

That's your basis for determining who's better?