Pharma Bro vs Millenial

[Kvnzhangyay]

A friend just sent me this, I found it interesting, you guys might enjoy it.

I do think Martin is ****ed up, but I think Martin makes a good point in the video that people tend to think their opinion is the know-it-all opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z6TecVZAhk

[iamgine]

Martin killed this dude. :lol

They shouldn't have sent this lightweight debater though.

[highwhey]

A friend just sent me this, I found it interesting, you guys might enjoy it.

I do think Martin is ****ed up, but I think Martin makes a good point in the video that people tend to think their opinion is the know-it-all opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z6TecVZAhk
everyone on insidehoops

[highwhey]

so martin is asked to appear in front of congress for raising the price of his drug...all because of the outrage in the media

why hasn't congress asked the ceo of Mylan for raising the price of epipen?

yes, i know they recently caved and did a price cut but why was a media storm necessary for them to cut it? why doesn't the government intervene? oh yeah...lobbying. this sh1t happens NIGHT AND DAY. I used to work at a pharmacy, some days people would show up and their prescription would all of a sudden be extremely expensive. martin shkreli is at least honest about his behavior, whereareas many other crooks try to smooth talk their price hikes.

[Cleverness]

so martin is asked to appear in front of congress for raising the price of his drug...all because of the outrage in the media

why hasn't congress asked the ceo of Mylan for raising the price of epipen?

yes, i know they recently caved and did a price cut but why was a media storm necessary for them to cut it? why doesn't the government intervene? oh yeah...lobbying. this sh1t happens NIGHT AND DAY. I used to work at a pharmacy, some days people would show up and their prescription would all of a sudden be extremely expensive. martin shkreli is at least honest about his behavior, whereareas many other crooks try to smooth talk their price hikes.

Everyone is going crazy over the price of Epipen, profits of Mylan, and the CEO's salary.

What nobody is focusing on is why the f*#$ can't people just get the generic epinephrine auto-injector?

http://community.kidswithfoodallergies.org/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/17057723390941281/filePointer/17057723390941318/fodoid/17057723390941309/imageType/LARGE/inlineImage/true/generic-epi.jpg

[highwhey]

Everyone is going crazy over the price of Epipen, profits of Mylan, and the CEO's salary.

What nobody is focusing on is why the f*#$ can't people just get the generic epinephrine auto-injector?

http://community.kidswithfoodallergies.org/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/17057723390941281/filePointer/17057723390941318/fodoid/17057723390941309/imageType/LARGE/inlineImage/true/generic-epi.jpg
there are issues with the generic pen, most of which stem from physicians indicating "dispense as written/no substitution". in those cases, most states do not allow pharmacists to dispense the generic alternative. i remember reading an article that revealed there aren't many generic alternatives available. they did mention one other manufacturer that has a generic available in the price range of $144-$300 per pen, although they do not have the capabilities to mass produce the drug.

mylan has the market cornered.

[Cleverness]

there are issues with the generic pen, most of which stem from physicians indicating "dispense as written/no substitution". in those cases, most states do not allow pharmacists to dispense the generic alternative. i remember reading an article that revealed there aren't many generic alternatives available. they did mention one other manufacturer that has a generic available in the price range of $144-$300 per pen, although they do not have the capabilities to mass produce the drug.

mylan has the market cornered.

99.9% of people who get the Epipen don't pay $600. In fact, they usually pay $0 or their co-pay. Mylan's price increase on it should be very low on the list of things we should be worried about.

You should know from working in a pharmacy that prescribers rarely write "dispense as written/no substitution." I'd bet it happens on less than 1% of Epipen prescriptions.

Why do most states not allow pharmacists to dispense the generic alternative? If they can't, and somehow the patient has a high cost, then the pharmacy/pharmacist will just call the MD and ask to dispense the generic instead.

All kinds of crazy things are being said about how we need the government to intervene and take action against Mylan. That's just crazy... if anything, we need government to lessen restrictions and allow people to use a cheaper generic alternative.

[gigantes]

A friend just sent me this, I found it interesting, you guys might enjoy it.

I do think Martin is ****ed up, but I think Martin makes a good point in the video that people tend to think their opinion is the know-it-all opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z6TecVZAhk
i didn't last more than one minute on that clusterfluff.

three young boys trying to awkwardly badger an enormous douchebag.

enormous douchebag too skilled for that little vigilante army.

[nightprowler10]

I also read about that generic alternative that it takes hours to take affect rather than minutes with Mylan's pen.

[UK2K]

Guy can't answer the question....

What part was immoral?

I said from the beginning... this guy owns the drug, what he wants to do with it or charge for it is completely up to him.

If you don't like it, bitch to your congressman and demand we spend some of the taxpayer money to come up with a free medicine provided by the state. Until then, he can do what he wants.

[Cleverness]

I also read about that generic alternative that it takes hours to take affect rather than minutes with Mylan's pen.

That's not true at all. The generic alternative is the same exact drug. Again, Mylan taking heat for no reason and people who have no idea wtf they are talking about (including news stations).



Guy can't answer the question....

What part was immoral?

I said from the beginning... this guy owns the drug, what he wants to do with it or charge for it is completely up to him.

If you don't like it, bitch to your congressman and demand we spend some of the taxpayer money to come up with a free medicine provided by the state. Until then, he can do what he wants.

Yup. And nobody seems to understand that people who get that drug pay nothing already. Other HIV+ meds are even more expensive. Almost every HIV+ patient get all their meds for free. If people want to get worked up about drug costs, try getting worked up about Sovaldi costing almost $100,000. And guess what? The people who get it pay nothing for it.

[ai9]

99.9% of people who get the Epipen don't pay $600. In fact, they usually pay $0 or their co-pay.

Doesn't that just mean the insurance company is the one paying the $600 bill? And if that's the case, wouldn't that contribute to the rise in insurance premiums over time, a cost which is passed on to the consumer?

[warriorfan]

Guy can't answer the question....

What part was immoral?

I said from the beginning... this guy owns the drug, what he wants to do with it or charge for it is completely up to him.

If you don't like it, bitch to your congressman and demand we spend some of the taxpayer money to come up with a free medicine provided by the state. Until then, he can do what he wants.

Amphetamine addicts tend to not have the best sense of moral compass.

[Cleverness]

Doesn't that just mean the insurance company is the one paying the $600 bill? And if that's the case, wouldn't that contribute to the rise in insurance premiums over time, a cost which is passed on to the consumer?

I'd say at least half of the rxs for it are paid for by Medicaid.

If insurance companies are allowed to compete, then the smart company would remove Epipen from their formulary and only pay for the generic Epipen, lowering premiums and passing on the savings to the consumer.

Also, keep in mind Epipens are rarely dispensed.. I'd say 1 Epipen is dispensed for every 2000 rxs or so. It's such a minor detail compared to the attention it's getting in the ignorant liberal media.

Again, if we wanna talk about crazy drug prices, check out the price of Sovaldi; it costs $84,000 to $168,000 for a course of treatment and Medicaid is paying for it, 100%! Almost everyone who gets it is a drug addict and they're all getting it for free. :eek:



Side note: Mylan recently spent money on more research for their Epipen and changed their package insert. You now only have to inject and hold for 3 seconds instead of 10 seconds.

[Nastradamus]

99.9% of people who get the Epipen don't pay $600. In fact, they usually pay $0 or their co-pay. Mylan's price increase on it should be very low on the list of things we should be worried about.

You should know from working in a pharmacy that prescribers rarely write "dispense as written/no substitution." I'd bet it happens on less than 1% of Epipen prescriptions.

Why do most states not allow pharmacists to dispense the generic alternative? If they can't, and somehow the patient has a high cost, then the pharmacy/pharmacist will just call the MD and ask to dispense the generic instead.

All kinds of crazy things are being said about how we need the government to intervene and take action against Mylan. That's just crazy... if anything, we need government to lessen restrictions and allow people to use a cheaper generic alternative.

No, but they bill the insurance that much and its built in to premiums. Then we blame Obamacare for premiums.

[highwhey]

I'd say at least half of the rxs for it are paid for by Medicaid.

If insurance companies are allowed to compete, then the smart company would remove Epipen from their formulary and only pay for the generic Epipen, lowering premiums and passing on the savings to the consumer.

Also, keep in mind Epipens are rarely dispensed.. I'd say 1 Epipen is dispensed for every 2000 rxs or so. It's such a minor detail compared to the attention it's getting in the ignorant liberal media.

Again, if we wanna talk about crazy drug prices, check out the price of Sovaldi; it costs $84,000 to $168,000 for a course of treatment and Medicaid is paying for it, 100%! Almost everyone who gets it is a drug addict and they're all getting it for free. :eek:



Side note: Mylan recently spent money on more research for their Epipen and changed their package insert. You now only have to inject and hold for 3 seconds instead of 10 seconds.
:eek:
that TOTALLY justifies their price increase!

[gigantes]

i think shkreli's two big mistakes were that he liked to make a splash, and he wanted to feed his ego by being more clever than others.

if he had simply done what the rest of his ilk did, he would have extracted as much money as he could without drawing particular attention to himself.

sure, you can do whatever you want to in life, but there's generally gonna be consequences, young pharma-douche.