Obama is soft on ISIS

[Facepalm]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/30/middleeast/isis-spokesman-killed/index.html


(CNN)ISIS spokesman Mohammad al-Adnani has been killed, according to a statement from the terror group and its Amaq news agency.

His death marks the highest-profile killing yet of an ISIS member. While Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been ISIS' unquestioned leader, al-Adnani may have been the terror group's most public figure, the person floated as ISIS' next leader should anything happen to al-Baghdadi.
The Amaq statement Tuesday said al-Adnani died while inspecting military operations in the area of Aleppo, Syria. ISIS has not revealed his cause of death.
"After a journey filled with sacrifice and fight against non-believers, the Syrian Gallant knight, Abu Mohammed al-Adnani, joined the convoy of martyr leaders," ISIS said.
"To the filthy and coward non-believers and to the holders of the Christ emblem, we bring the good news, which will keep them awake, that a new generation in the Islamic State ... that loves death more than life ... this generation will only grow steadfast on the path to Jihad, stay determined to seek revenge and be violent toward them."
Most wanted ISIS member: Al-Adnani



Al-Adnani was well known for ordering operatives to attack countries participating in the US-led coalition against ISIS. In January, al-Adnani was reported injured in a coalition airstrike.
"Abu Mohammad al-Adnani is an absolutely key figure in this terrorist group. He's much more than just a spokesman -- one of their most senior figures, perhaps one could argue their most senior figure, certainly their most recognizable figure after Baghdadi," CNN Terrorism Analyst Paul Cruickshank said in January in response to the reports.
"In some ways he's a more dangerous figure than Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, because he's believed to be overseeing the external operations division of ISIS, and that's the part of ISIS which threatens the West, which carried out the attacks in Paris, which could one day carry out an attack in the US on a significant scale."
Without confirming al-Adnani's death, a senior Pentagon official confirmed that coalition forces conducted an airstrike Tuesday morning in al Bab, Syria, targeting an ISIS senior leader. They are still assessing the results, the official said.

Al-Adnani has been with ISIS since its beginnings and was close to al-Baghdadi, CNN's Nic Roberston said.
In June 2014, al-Adnani was the first to declare a "caliphate" for parts of Syria and Iraq, indicating ISIS' aim of not just being a terrorist group but a governing entity.
He said ISIS supporters in the West had a religious duty to launch lone-wolf attacks. Analysts have said that was a game changer and may have inspired attacks in North America, Europe and Australia.
"He was the mouthpiece of ISIS. He said things like, 'If you can't shoot them, then stab them, and if you can't stab them, then crush their heads with rocks. If you can't do that then drive your cars, your vehicles, to kill them," Robertson said.
"He absolutely tried to maximize every opportunity to instill fear in Syria and Iraq and the international community and send fighters overseas to attack," Robertson said.
Prior to his death, the US State Department announced a reward of up to $5 million for information leading to al-Adnani, a "specially designated global terrorist."
"He was the strategic leader of the organization, especially when it comes to attacks on the West," said journalist Graeme Wood, Edward R. Murrow Press Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. "To have that voice destroyed is a serious blow to the organization, probably the most significant kill that the enemies of the Islamic state have perpetrated since its declaration of the caliphate."

Obama is the ISIS MVP doe :bowdown:

[highwhey]

Could trump even do a fraction of obama's good work?

[FillJackson]

The guy killed was a pretty big deal

The Times just did an article on how ISIS recruited subjects for its European campaigns. al-Adnani was the leader of this campaign. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/world/middleeast/isis-german-recruit-interview.html?_r=0)


As he progressed through the special forces training, Mr. Sarfo became closer with the emir of the camp, a Moroccan, who began to divulge details about how the Islamic State’s external operations effort was structured, he said. Mr. Sarfo learned that there was one outsize figure behind the group’s strategies and ambitions. “The big man behind everything is Abu Muhammad al-Adnani,” he said.

“He is the head of the Emni, and he is the head of the special forces as well,” Mr. Sarfo added. “Everything goes back to him.”

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Born in the town of Binnish in northern Syria, Mr. Adnani is said to be 39, and is the subject of a $5 million bounty from the State Department’s Rewards for Justice program. But details about his life remain a mystery. There are very few available photos of him, and the one used on the State Department’s website is years old.

Mr. Sarfo explained that when recruits to the special forces finished all 10 levels of training, they were blindfolded and driven to meet Mr. Adnani, where they pledged allegiance to him directly. Mr. Sarfo was told that the blindfolds stayed on the whole time, so that even Mr. Adnani’s best-trained fighters never know what he looks like.

To the world, Mr. Adnani is better known as the official spokesman of the Islamic State, and the man who put out a global call this year for Muslims to attack unbelievers wherever they were, however they could.

“Adnani is much more than just the mouthpiece of this group,” said Thomas Joscelyn, a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies in Washington who tracks the group’s leadership. “He is heavily involved in external operations. He is sort of the administrative ‘yea’ or ‘nay’ at the top of the pyramid,” who signs off on attack plans, the details of which are handled by his subordinates.

[Patrick Chewing]

ISIS would have never gotten as big had Obama acted sooner.


So yeah, he was soft and every Liberal president usually is soft on the Islamic threat.

[FillJackson]

ISIS would have never gotten as big had Obama acted sooner.

What would have that entailed and when should it have happened?

[Patrick Chewing]

When they publicly beheaded an American hostage.



Obama was too busy calling them JV instead of acting swiftly. He had intelligence reports that were telling him that Iraqi police were laying their guns down and joining forces and that ISIS was on the march from town to town committing atrocities.

[FillJackson]

When they publicly beheaded an American hostage.



Obama was too busy calling them JV instead of acting swiftly. He had intelligence reports that were telling him that Iraqi police were laying their guns down and joining forces and that ISIS was on the march from town to town committing atrocities.
What would have it entailed?

Also I think you're conflating several events.

[Patrick Chewing]

What would have it entailed?

Also I think you're conflating several events.


What do you think it would have entailed??

Those forces he removed on the ground once he took office. Clearly it had a domino effect. ISIS wasn't a spontaneous thing like the way things happen in Hillary's world.

[FillJackson]

Those forces he removed on the ground once he took office.

Are you serious? You don't know when our troops left Iraq?

[Patrick Chewing]

Are you serious? You don't know when our troops left Iraq?


Apparently you don't. Last major troop removal was in 2011. Who sprouted afterwards??

http://www.stratfor.com/sites/default/files/styles/stratfor_full/public/main/images/isis_timeline_v3.jpg

[FillJackson]

oh i see. you don't know when Obama took office. Dec 2011 is a month shy of 3 years.

[Patrick Chewing]

oh i see. you don't know when Obama took office. Dec 2011 is a month shy of 3 years.


What's wrong with you bro? Why can't you focus on the matter at hand? Are you on drugs?

Obama kept the ball moving on troop removal despite the advice from professionals and here we are today.

[FillJackson]

What's wrong with you bro? Why can't you focus on the matter at hand? Are you on drugs?

Obama kept the ball moving on troop removal despite the advice from professionals and here we are today.
The matter at hand is you have a tissue-thin understanding of the issue. And you want to erase all details and nuance.

Here's a question. What was going on over there that caused the reemergence of ISIS?

[Bourne]

Is it true that when Bin Laden was killed, he was given a proper muslim burial at sea thanks to obama?

how many MILLLLLLLIONS could osam bid laden-brand urinal cakes have been sold for? 10 million each?

[KyrieTheFuture]

ISIS would have never gotten as big had Obama acted sooner.


So yeah, he was soft and every Liberal president usually is soft on the Islamic threat.
:facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

The matter at hand is you have a tissue-thin understanding of the issue. And you want to erase all details and nuance.

Here's a question. What was going on over there that caused the reemergence of ISIS?


There's no point in debating with you because you're so far up Obama's ass.

What answer are you looking for? The Arab Spring? Cause that's a copout.

If the troops were still there, there probably isn't an ISIS.

[dude77]

obama called them a jv team .. he's a fkn clown .. completely underestimated them

[Nick Young]

Obama called ISIS a JV team the day before they attacked Paris and murdered 130 people and injured 368 more.

[Patrick Chewing]

:facepalm


Umm, did I stutter??


Bill Clinton: "I Could Have Killed Bin Laden" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkfYBSuUHrk)


It's like some of you are allergic to the truth.

[highwhey]

Umm, did I stutter??


Bill Clinton: "I Could Have Killed Bin Laden" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkfYBSuUHrk)


It's like some of you are allergic to the truth.
Hey Pat

[nightprowler10]

ISIS would have never gotten as big had Obama acted sooner.


So yeah, he was soft and every Liberal president usually is soft on the Islamic threat.
What liberal presidents have we had? Just Left of center is not liberal.

[highwhey]

obama called them a jv team .. he's a fkn clown .. completely underestimated them
Wel to be fair, plenty of JV teams are better than Varsity teams. He meant to say it as in they are somewhat capable but with great street hunger. We've all seen Rocky, we know what a motivated individual with street hunger can accomplish.

[Nick Young]

Dalai Lama: Putin Is Right, U.S. Created ISIS (http://yournewswire.com/dalai-lama-putin-is-right-u-s-created-isis/)


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[FillJackson]

The Arab Spring? Cause that's a copout.


The Arab Spring is part of the answer, but we didn't have a partner in Iraq is the much bigger issue in my mind.

Maliki wanted no part of actually rebuilding Iraq. He was and is a sectarian and his actions were a giant part in the rise of ISIS because he began persecuting the Sunnis. He wanted to build Shia power and was very close to Iran. The Awakening worked because the Sunni tribes rose up against Al Qaeda. These forces of the Awakening were built into local security forces that drove the Islamic State out of Anbar in the first place. Maliki disbanded them. He kept the best troops near Baghdad as almost personal security force. He didn't care about securing the other areas.

The Iraqi troops threw down their guns because the office corp in the Sunni areas were thoroughly corrupt and the troops didn't have any supplies including water.

And Yes, of course the Arab Spring played a part because the revolution in Syria, allowed ISIS a base of operations. Tons of Jihadis flowed through Syria during the Iraq War including ISIS fighters and those networks were still able to be tapped into. Lot of top ISIS folks including the guy who just died were Syrian. Assad also emptied his jails of jihadis in 2011 though we didn't know that for a while.

Remember, Iraq didn't want us there and the agreement we signed was we were out in 2011 and the head of Iraq was working at crosscurrents to our goals. So what was the steps we should have taken. Remove Maliki from power and kept our troops there? Go back to being an occupying force and restarted the national building process? Americans would have stood for that?

[FillJackson]

Nick Young got his latest directive.

[FillJackson]

This is the Queen of Jordan this month.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/adw-assets/general/thumbnails/Q4.jpg

That is two months after the King of Jordan murdered her for having an affair with Bono according to Nick Young's latest source.

[StephHamann]

Obama is not soft on the muslim threat, in fact nobody is responsible for the killings of more Muslim than him in the last 8 years.

[NumberSix]

What would have that entailed and when should it have happened?
He should have never pulled out of Iraq. All the generals were telling him that this exact situation would be the result, and it is. He could have very easily made a new agreement with the Iraqi government if he wasn't so deadset on pulling out.

[Dresta]

lol, the US weren't doing shit against ISIS (a few destroyed cities aside) until the Russians got involved, and turned the tide of the war.

Something like 85-90% of their sorties weren't even finding targets, and their frequency was far lower than that of the Russians. At the same time, they were aiding groups that fight alongside IS and Al-Nusra, and against the same enemy in Assad, who is also Obama's enemy, and who it's been a consistent policy of the US since 2006 to undermine through the sowing of sectarian division; most of IS's atrocities have been carried out with weapons whose ultimate source has been the US arms industry. Attributing IS weakness due to its being hemmed in on all sides to Obama just goes to show what an idiot fanboy you are; remember, he and his Secretary of State initially condemned the Russian intervention, and pretended it would "strengthen" IS--IS is receding in spite of Obama, not because of him.

[Dresta]

Obama is not soft on the muslim threat, in fact nobody is responsible for the killings of more Muslim than him in the last 8 years.
Yes, he's been murdering muslims without any concerted or sensible plan of action for eight years already; he's helped create several blenders of human suffering and misery throughout the world, and is on track to challenge Henry Kissinger as the most ridiculous and downright offensive winner of the Nobel Peace Prize. "drop bombs" is the height of Obama's geopolitical nous, it seems. He wages war like a coward, and without adherence to law of any kind; no-one has been better at setting the international precedent that powerful countries have a right to go around the world drone striking other countries and places as long as there is a perceived "national security threat" in the vicinity; it is disgusting, and his liberal cheerleaders (who despised Bush) are even more despicable for letting him get away with such disgraceful and illegal behaviour.

[UK2K]

ISIS, and Assad's army, and every other Middle Eastern 'military' are ****ing jokes and would get destroyed on a battlefield against US forces. Forget the air power and support, take about 5,000 Marines (ask for volunteers, you'll get plenty), drop them into Baghdad, and turn them loose.

I've seen so many videos of these ME dudes doing the most ridiculous shit, like they're Rambo. Standing in the middle of the street hip firing heavy machine guns at nothing. Saw one guy take a sniper round to the face, and then his buddy picks up his weapon and sticks his face right back in the same hole (he got shot as well). They don't know what a front sight picture is. They have no concept of cover or concealment. These guys are amateurs, and it's amazing to me how ISIS is still around.

Until I remember that it's mostly OTHER Middle Eastern soldiers fighting them, then it all makes sense. Complete incompetence in battle... it's embarrassing; and for some reason, they refuse to learn anything. They make, by far, the worst soldiers on the planet. Worse then, if you can believe it, African armies, which are full of morons and clueless individuals but at least they learn and retain some of the things they're taught.

You'd figure with 10,000 years of practice killing each other they may have gotten somewhat efficient at it outside of truck bombs and stoning each other.

[FillJackson]

He should have never pulled out of Iraq. All the generals were telling him that this exact situation would be the result, and it is. He could have very easily made a new agreement with the Iraqi government if he wasn't so deadset on pulling out.
If this was so easy, why was the Iraqi government so resostant to it?

[Nastradamus]

The matter at hand is you have a tissue-thin understanding of the issue. And you want to erase all details and nuance.

Here's a question. What was going on over there that caused the reemergence of ISIS?

I mean come on, why didn't Obama keep troops there to help with the problem created by troops being there in the first place.......

Jesus Goddam Christ people

[Nastradamus]

" Yet the story of ISIS

[JtotheIzzo]

ISIS, and Assad's army, and every other Middle Eastern 'military' are ****ing jokes and would get destroyed on a battlefield against US forces. Forget the air power and support, take about 5,000 Marines (ask for volunteers, you'll get plenty), drop them into Baghdad, and turn them loose.

I've seen so many videos of these ME dudes doing the most ridiculous shit, like they're Rambo. Standing in the middle of the street hip firing heavy machine guns at nothing. Saw one guy take a sniper round to the face, and then his buddy picks up his weapon and sticks his face right back in the same hole (he got shot as well). They don't know what a front sight picture is. They have no concept of cover or concealment. These guys are amateurs, and it's amazing to me how ISIS is still around.

Until I remember that it's mostly OTHER Middle Eastern soldiers fighting them, then it all makes sense. Complete incompetence in battle... it's embarrassing; and for some reason, they refuse to learn anything. They make, by far, the worst soldiers on the planet. Worse then, if you can believe it, African armies, which are full of morons and clueless individuals but at least they learn and retain some of the things they're taught.

You'd figure with 10,000 years of practice killing each other they may have gotten somewhat efficient at it outside of truck bombs and stoning each other.

Iraq and Afghanistan?

not that easy fella, despite the USA USA USA chants from the peanut gallery

[Patrick Chewing]

The Arab Spring is part of the answer, but we didn't have a partner in Iraq is the much bigger issue in my mind.

Maliki wanted no part of actually rebuilding Iraq. He was and is a sectarian and his actions were a giant part in the rise of ISIS because he began persecuting the Sunnis. He wanted to build Shia power and was very close to Iran. The Awakening worked because the Sunni tribes rose up against Al Qaeda. These forces of the Awakening were built into local security forces that drove the Islamic State out of Anbar in the first place. Maliki disbanded them. He kept the best troops near Baghdad as almost personal security force. He didn't care about securing the other areas.

The Iraqi troops threw down their guns because the office corp in the Sunni areas were thoroughly corrupt and the troops didn't have any supplies including water.

And Yes, of course the Arab Spring played a part because the revolution in Syria, allowed ISIS a base of operations. Tons of Jihadis flowed through Syria during the Iraq War including ISIS fighters and those networks were still able to be tapped into. Lot of top ISIS folks including the guy who just died were Syrian. Assad also emptied his jails of jihadis in 2011 though we didn't know that for a while.

Remember, Iraq didn't want us there and the agreement we signed was we were out in 2011 and the head of Iraq was working at crosscurrents to our goals. So what was the steps we should have taken. Remove Maliki from power and kept our troops there? Go back to being an occupying force and restarted the national building process? Americans would have stood for that?


So in other words, if a U.S. presence was still in the region, ISIS would have never existed. Or they would have been squashed real quick.


All that other stuff doesn't matter. That region has been in conflict for a thousand years. The Arab Spring is meaningless.

[UK2K]

Iraq and Afghanistan?

not that easy fella, despite the USA USA USA chants from the peanut gallery

What about them?

[Coach Eddie]

Of course he is, didn't he found them?

[NumberSix]

I mean come on, why didn't Obama keep troops there to help with the problem created by troops being there in the first place.......

Jesus Goddam Christ people
Obama thinks like this^ idiot.

The problem is simple. Every muslim country has a contingent of the population that wants to overthrow the government and make it a 7th century sharia state. Dictators like Saddam are the cork that keeps that poison in the bottle. Get rid of the cork, the poison gets out.

They replaced the Saddam cork with the US military cork. Obama removed the US military cork and left the bottle open.

[NumberSix]

Of course he is, didn't he found them?
Yes. He's the founder of isis.

[Nick Young]

Obama thinks like this^ idiot.

The problem is simple. Every muslim country has a contingent of the population that wants to overthrow the government and make it a 7th century sharia state. Dictators like Saddam are the cork that keeps that poison in the bottle. Get rid of the cork, the poison gets out.

They replaced the Saddam cork with the US military cork. Obama removed the US military cork and left the bottle open.
All we need is a tolerant authoritarian Middle Eastern dictator who doesn't enjoy ethnically cleansing minorities and murdering political opponents.

Mubarak was a little bit like that, but he still was ethnically cleansing the Coptic Christians and imprisoning political opponents.

Assad was that guy, if only he didn't gas the Kurds.

Same with Saddam. Aside from gassing Kurds and murdering other ethnic minorities, and allowing his kids to have rape parties, Saddam had Iraq in a pretty stable place.



Is it really too much to ask for a Middle Eastern dictator who doesn't want to ethnically cleanse people?