Kyrie was better offensively than any Wade playoff run from 2011-2014

[Dray n Klay]

:lol


Yes, that includes Wade's 'peak' 2011 playoff run and Finals were averaged 25ppg in the playoffs and 26ppg in the Finals



Kyrie averaged more ppg than any Wade playoffs and Finals run from 2011-2014









How do Wade stans counter that? :oldlol: :banana:

[aj1987]

Yes, that includes Wade's 'peak' 2011 playoff run and Finals were averaged 25ppg in the playoffs and 26ppg in the Finals

Kyrie averaged more ppg than any Wade playoffs and Finals run from 2011-2014


How do Wade stans counter that? :oldlol: :banana:
Don't need to. Anyone who wasn't born mentally challenged knows that '11 Wade >> '16 Kyrie and that '12 Wade was nearly as good as '16 Kyrie (if you don't factor in defense).

Continue with your daily meltdown though.

[Dray n Klay]

Don't need to. Anyone who wasn't born mentally challenged knows that '11 Wade >> '16 Kyrie and that '12 Wade was nearly as good as '16 Kyrie (if you don't factor in defense).

Continue with your daily meltdown though.


I'm talking about offense

[TheWinningFam]

Don't need to. Anyone who wasn't born mentally challenged knows that '11 Wade >> '16 Kyrie and that '12 Wade was nearly as good as '16 Kyrie (if you don't factor in defense).

Continue with your daily meltdown though.
A team can win with less defense but never with less points so Kyrie's 16 finals were better than wades

[Dragonyeuw]

I'm talking about offense

You can't ignore having to balance your energies between both sides of the court. Kyrie barely averaged more points than Wade's 2011 playoff run while assisting at virtually the same clip and rebounding less than half as much.

If your parents weren't related to each other these simple concepts wouldn't elude you.

[aj1987]

You can't ignore having to balance your energies between both sides of the court. Kyrie barely averaged more points than Wade's 2011 playoff run while assisting at virtually the same clip and rebounding less than half as much.

If your parents weren't related to each other these simple concepts wouldn't elude you.
:oldlol: :oldlol:

:applause: :applause:

[Dragonyeuw]

:oldlol: :oldlol:

:applause: :applause:

Basically, precious bandwidth is being wasted on this thread to tell us that Kyrie managed to average a whopping .7ppg more than Wade in 2011 playoffs taking 2.3 more shots.

Outstanding. :applause:

[tpols]

the fact that you're even comparing kyrie to MVP wade shows how much help bron had.. thread backfire.

[Dray n Klay]

the fact that you're even comparing kyrie to MVP wade shows how much help bron had.. thread backfire.



A 19 ppg regular season scorer who didn't make the all-star team nor the all-NBA team is 'great' help?



Lol tpols, it seems you're still suffering from PTSD from Brons championship :oldlol:

[Steven Kerry]

Kyrie the real MVP.

[Dragonyeuw]

A 19 ppg regular season scorer who didn't make the all-star team nor the all-NBA team is 'great' help?





Either he's a '19 ppg regular season scorer and non-all-star', or he's a better offensive option than Wade was between 2011 and 2014 which is the premise of your thread. You're downplaying Wade to prop up Lebron during the Heat's run, but propping up Kyrie is acknowledging that Bron had great scoring help in the 2016 playoffs and especially the finals.

Getting your agendas confused?

[Dray n Klay]

Either he's a '19 ppg regular season scorer and non-all-star', or he's a better offensive option than Wade was between 2011 and 2014 which is the premise of your thread. You're downplaying Wade to prop up Lebron during the Heat's run, but propping up Kyrie is acknowledging that Bron had great scoring help in the 2016 playoffs and especially the finals.

Getting your agendas confused?


Are you retarded? I'm seriously wondering.



Yes I'm arguing both, he's a 19 ppg scorer who's better offensively than 2011-2014 Wade, what's the problem?


So basically this means 2011-2014 Wade wasn't even better offensively than a 19ppg non-all star



This fact makes Wade look pretty overrated

:confusedshrug:

[BigKAT]

Offensively.

Yeah, pretty accurate.

Overall? I dunno.
Wade's a pretty intelligent player, I think he contributed in many other ways, clutch steals, some D at the right moment, awesome passes to bron.

[Lebronxrings]

i tend to disagree alot with the OP but i gotta agree on this. Anyone whos not a dumbass knows its true.

[Dray n Klay]

i tend to disagree alot with the OP but i gotta agree on this. Anyone whos not a dumbass knows its true.


Thanks :cheers:



You're an objective poster, and it's nice to see we agree here.

[SilkkTheShocker]

If you replaced Wade with Irving in 2011, Miami probably wins the title. LeBron took all the blame for the loss, but Wade was the one that decided to flip the script and gun for the Finals MVP. Which is fine, but he simply wasn't good enough to get the team over the hump that year. Thankfully LeBron was the undisputed #1, and what do you know they won two titles in a row.

[Dragonyeuw]

Are you retarded? I'm seriously wondering.



Yes I'm arguing both, he's a 19 ppg scorer who's better offensively than 2011-2014 Wade, what's the problem?


So basically this means 2011-2014 Wade wasn't even better offensively than a 19ppg non-all star



This fact makes Wade look pretty overrated

:confusedshrug:

First, Kyrie is a career 21ppg player. 19ppg this past year was working his way back from injury. He's also made 3 all-star games in 5 years. So Kyrie is an all-star level player. It would be like arguing that Lebron isn't an MVP level player this year because he didn't win the MVP.

Second, Wade took 2 less shots and scored .7ppg less in 2011. 2012 he wasn't much worse and still overall better as far as 2-way play. 2013 and 2014 injuries were taking hold. So basically, you made a thread to tell us that coming into his prime Kyrie scores more than an aging/injured Wade in 2013 and 2014. Breaking news at 7.

On the other hand, you're acknowledging that Kyrie provided great scoring help to Lebron in 2016, something that you and your alts conveniently seem to gloss over when making your 50 Lebron threads a day 'reminding' us what happened in the finals.

[tpols]

If you replaced Wade with Irving in 2011, Miami probably wins the title. LeBron took all the blame for the loss, but Wade was the one that decided to flip the script and gun for the Finals MVP. Which is fine, but he simply wasn't good enough to get the team over the hump that year. Thankfully LeBron was the undisputed #1, and what do you know they won two titles in a row.

nah the only difference was Wade's collective performance in the 2012 and 2013 finals was better than Bron's 2011 performance, which allowed them to squeak it out. Give 2011 wade some decent help and its an easy title.

[Dray n Klay]

If you replaced Wade with Irving in 2011, Miami probably wins the title. LeBron took all the blame for the loss, but Wade was the one that decided to flip the script and gun for the Finals MVP. Which is fine, but he simply wasn't good enough to get the team over the hump that year. Thankfully LeBron was the undisputed #1, and what do you know they won two titles in a row.


Good points




Wade is a 2nd option/3rd option type player that tried to be a 1st option in 2011





It backfired and somehow LeBron got all the blame :facepalm





It's stupid, but it's the way the League is

[Lebronxrings]

Good points




Wade is a 2nd option/3rd option type player that tried to be a 1st option in 2011





It backfired and somehow LeBron got all the blame :facepalm





It's stupid, but it's the way the League is
because lebron ALWAYS gets the blame.Hell look at 2015, he put up great numbers with the 76ers in the finals and still is mentioned as the reason they lost.

[aj1987]

If you replaced Wade with Irving in 2011, Miami probably wins the title. LeBron took all the blame for the loss, but Wade was the one that decided to flip the script and gun for the Finals MVP. Which is fine, but he simply wasn't good enough to get the team over the hump that year. Thankfully LeBron was the undisputed #1, and what do you know they won two titles in a row.
The **** is wrong with you? Have you been sniffing glue again?

LeBron averaged 17 PPG in the '11 Finals. Dude was a complete liability. 8 points in a crucial game and scored about 13 points in all 6 4th Q's combined. If he played the same way, Kyrie and the Cavs wouldn't have made it out of the first round.

[Dray n Klay]

The **** is wrong with you? Have you been sniffing glue again?

LeBron averaged 17 PPG in the '11 Finals. Dude was a complete liability. 8 points in a crucial game and scored about 13 points in all 6 4th Q's combined. If he played the same way, Kyrie and the Cavs wouldn't have made it out of the first round.


WTF? :roll: :roll: :hammerhead:

[aj1987]

WTF? :roll: :roll: :hammerhead:
Since you're extremely slow:

If LeBron played with the Cavs like he did in the '11 Finals, the Cavs wouldn't have gotten out of the first round. Zero defense and a putrid offense.

[JebronLames]

If you replaced Wade with Irving in 2011, Miami probably wins the title. LeBron took all the blame for the loss, but Wade was the one that decided to flip the script and gun for the Finals MVP. Which is fine, but he simply wasn't good enough to get the team over the hump that year. Thankfully LeBron was the undisputed #1, and what do you know they won two titles in a row.
:applause: :applause: :bowdown:

[SilkkTheShocker]

I just think it's funny some people still try to gloss over Wade gunning for Finals MVP in 2011. It was his for the taking. Dallas was doubling LeBron every time he touched it, but Wade couldn't convert in the clutch. He absolutely atrocious in that regard in the Finals. Spolestra builds the team around LeBron the next season, and they win the next two titles. :eek:

[PJR]

Dallas was doubling LeBron every time he touched it

http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/09/08/110908041029190258.gif

[SilkkTheShocker]

Are you denying that LeBron wasn't defended more tightly than Wade for that series?

[tpols]

lmao.. silk full of shit as usual. Bron was getting huge amount of heat for being passive and just standing around in the '11 finals. His gravity and impact on spacing was next to nil.

[PJR]

Are you denying that LeBron wasn't defended more tightly than Wade for that series?

https://youtu.be/zNG36cGl8J8

Yeah, I'm denying it flatly. Lebron was literally getting locked up by 50 year
Old Jason Kidd. Very few hard double teams in that clip.


You can't revise history when we can easily pull the receipts.

[SilkkTheShocker]

We all saw the series. Wade was single-covered all Finals and couldn't take advantage. The Finals MVP was right there for the taking. But he simply wasn't good enough. Especially in the clutch. No one likes to bring it up, but Wade was nothing short of a bag off s.hit flavored Jolly Ranchers when it was the 4th quarter. For a guy obviously gunning hard for Finals MVP, you got to be able to come through in those moments. Like I said, it's not shocking that LeBron led them to two titles when the team was built around him. Hell, he even carried them kicking and screaming to a 2013 Finals win. Bosh scoring 0 points in game 7 of the Finals to follow-up his no show in the ECF. Wade playing like a role player sans games 4 and 7 of that Finals. Than playing worse than LeBron did in 2011 for the 13 Finals.

[aj1987]

I just think it's funny some people still try to gloss over Wade gunning for Finals MVP in 2011. It was his for the taking. Dallas was doubling LeBron every time he touched it, but Wade couldn't convert in the clutch. He absolutely atrocious in that regard in the Finals. Spolestra builds the team around LeBron the next season, and they win the next two titles.

Not even close.

Wade couldn't convert in the clutch? Wade scored as many points in the 4th in G2, as LeBron did in all the 4th Q's COMBINED.

Wade didn't disappear in '12 like LeBron did. That's why they won. Even in '13, when Miami needed Wade the most, he stepped up. LeBron? Not so much.

LeBron in the 4th Q's in the '11 Finals:

https://s16.postimg.io/96fo7z3th/Screen_Shot_2016_09_01_at_1_36_50_AM.png

Wade in the 4th Q's in the '11 Finals:

https://s16.postimg.io/g8dlu67f9/Screen_Shot_2016_09_01_at_1_36_31_AM.png

LeBron in the 4th Q's in the '12 Finals:

https://s16.postimg.io/ot6xlchlh/Screen_Shot_2016_09_01_at_1_38_11_AM.png

Wade in the 4th Q's in the '12 Finals:

https://s16.postimg.io/8v39sbtp1/Screen_Shot_2016_09_01_at_1_38_37_AM.png

Run away now, little bitch. Just like you did after the '14 and '15 Finals. Disappear like your idol.

[SilkkTheShocker]

All I remember during the 13 Finals is LeBron leading Miami out of the 15 point 4th quarter hole with Wade and Bosh firmly on the bench. Not to mention Reggie Miller referring to the Heat in the playoffs as the "Miami Cavaliers".

[JebronLames]

I just think it's funny some people still try to gloss over Wade gunning for Finals MVP in 2011. It was his for the taking. Dallas was doubling LeBron every time he touched it, but Wade couldn't convert in the clutch. He absolutely atrocious in that regard in the Finals. Spolestra builds the team around LeBron the next season, and they win the next two titles. :eek:
Wade gets too much credit for taking a step back in 2012. He should have taken a step back in 2011, and if he did, they would have three peated.

[aj1987]

All I remember during the 13 Finals is LeBron leading Miami out of the 15 point 4th quarter hole with Wade and Bosh firmly on the bench. Not to mention Reggie Miller referring to the Heat in the playoffs as the "Miami Cavaliers".
Without Wade's G4 and G7 performances, Miami lose the series. End of story.



Wade gets too much credit for taking a step back in 2012. He should have taken a step back in 2011, and if he did, they would have three peated.
Yeah, definitely. Without these masterful performances from LeBron, Miami wouldn't have won at all.

https://s16.postimg.io/96fo7z3th/Screen_Shot_2016_09_01_at_1_36_50_AM.png
https://s16.postimg.io/ot6xlchlh/Screen_Shot_2016_09_01_at_1_38_11_AM.png

[JebronLames]

Without Wade's G4 and G7 performances, Miami lose the series. End of story.



Yeah, definitely. Without these masterful performances from LeBron, Miami wouldn't have won at all.

https://s16.postimg.io/96fo7z3th/Screen_Shot_2016_09_01_at_1_36_50_AM.png
https://s16.postimg.io/ot6xlchlh/Screen_Shot_2016_09_01_at_1_38_11_AM.png
Heat win in 6 if wade doesn't play in 2013. His lack of three point shooting killed the spacing and team chemistry. Wade had the worst +/- of anyone in that series. LeBron did more to win this championship than he did for his Cleveland ship.

Heat lost in 2011 because LeBron took a step back to wade because wade didn't want to. Wade's selfishness cost them the championship.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Without Wade's G4 and G7 performances, Miami lose the series. End of story


Without LeBron they don't even make the ECF, let alone the Finals in 13. Whats your point? Why do we have to make it a celebration for the rare times Wade and Bosh showed up in the playoffs in 13 and 14? It's like giving retarded kids gold stars for making it until the end of the day without s.hitting their pants. Like Reggie Miller said, "the Miami Cavaliers".

[aj1987]

Heat win in 6 if wade doesn't play in 2013. His lack of three point shooting killed the spacing and team chemistry. Wade had the worst +/- of anyone in that series. LeBron did more to win this championship than he did for his Cleveland ship.

Heat lost in 2011 because LeBron took a step back to wade because wade didn't want to. Wade's selfishness cost them the championship.
Yeah, play Allen and Miller in Wade's place and see how that works out for the team.

Miami lost in '11 because of LeBron:

https://s16.postimg.io/96fo7z3th/Screen_Shot_2016_09_01_at_1_36_50_AM.png


Without LeBron they don't even make the ECF, let alone the Finals in 13. Whats your point? Why do we have to make it a celebration for the rare times Wade and Bosh showed up in the playoffs in 13 and 14? It's like giving retarded kids gold stars for making it until the end of the day without s.hitting their pants. Like Reggie Miller said, "the Miami Cavaliers".

Fact #1 - Without Wade, Miami wouldn't have won 66 and the Spurs would've had HC.
Fact #2 - LeBron choked his ass of '11 and was the reason as to why Miami lost.

Why do you keep deflecting to '13 and '14, when I'm clearly talking about the '11 season?

tl;dr - LeBron had a GOAT level choke and Miami lost.

[Dray n Klay]

Wait.. AJ you're trashing LeBron for a series he averaged 18/7/7 in and you're praising Wade for a series he averaged 19.6/4/5?? :oldlol:




Seems like a double standard is in place.

[aj1987]

Wait.. AJ you're trashing LeBron for a series he averaged 18/7/7 in and you're praising Wade for a series he averaged 19.6/4/5?? :oldlol:

Seems like a double standard is in place.
:facepalm :facepalm

Some more idiocy from the LeBron turds.

1. LeBron was 100% healthy
2. Wade was injured
3. LeBron was in his prime/peak
4. Wade was past his prime

[Smoke117]

How many times do I have to ****ing say it, AJ? Why do you let yourself get pulled into arguments with dipshits?

[LAZERUSS]

Kyrie was EASILY better than Wade-the-Fade in EVERY one of those playoff runs from '11-14.

But not only...had he been GIFTED 16+ FTAs per game in this year's Finals, and he would have BLOWN AWAY Fade's '06 officiated debacle.

[Dray n Klay]

Kyrie was EASILY better than Wade-the-Fade in EVERY one of those playoff runs from '11-14.

But not only...had he been GIFTED 16+ FTAs per game in this year's Finals, and he would have BLOWN AWAY Fade's '06 officiated debacle.

I can't believe i'm saying this, but I agree with you 100%

[Smoke117]

Kyrie was EASILY better than Wade-the-Fade in EVERY one of those playoff runs from '11-14.

But not only...had he been GIFTED 16+ FTAs per game in this year's Finals, and he would have BLOWN AWAY Fade's '06 officiated debacle.

lol...you're talking a lot of shit for a Ilt stan. Fade? huh? Ilt would certainly know something about that...he made a career out of it in the playoffs.

[LAZERUSS]

lol...you're talking a lot of shit for a Ilt stan. Fade? huh? Ilt would certainly know something about that...he made a career out of it in the playoffs.

Yep...go ahead and post Fade's "must win" playoff games.

In his 23 "must win" games Wilt AVERAGED 31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and shot .540 from the field (in post-seasons that shot about .435 in the same span), which included the only THREE 50 "must win" games by a true GOAT (as well as "must win" games of 46, and a Finals "must win" of 45 points. All while just CRUSHING his peers (most all of them in the HOF BTW.)

Hell, I'll even post EVERY one of Chamberlain's 37 "must win" and "serie clinching" games...


Wilt actually played in 37 "elimination games",...games where either his team faced elimination, or could have clinched the series:

1. W: 53-22-2, 24-42 FG/FGA

2. W: 50-35-2, 22-42

3. L: 26-24-0, 8-18

4. L: 33-23-1, 13-29

5. W: 56-35-1, 22-48

6. W: 32-21-1, 12-29

7. L: 22-22-3, 7-15

8. W: 39-30-?, 19-29

9. L: 30-27-2, 12-28

10. W: 38-26-5, 14-22, 10 blks (Triple-Double)

11. W: 30-26-4, 13-22, 13 blks (Triple-Double)

12. L: 30-32-2, 12-15

13. L: 46-34-?, 19-34

14. W: 18-27-9, 7-14

15. W: 29-36-13, 10-16, 7 blks (Triple-Double)

16. W: 24-23-4, 8-13

17. W: 25-27-3, 10-19

18. L: 28-30-7, 11-21

19. L: 20-27-8, 6-21

20. L: 14-34-5, 4-9

21. W: 11-25-1, 5-9

22. W: 16-29-3, 5-11, 16 blks (Triple-Double)

23. L: 8-18-4, 1-5

24. L: 18-27-3, 7-8

25. W: 36-14-3, 12-20

26. W: 12-26-11, 4-11, 11 blks (Quad-Double)

27. W: 30-27-6, 11-18, 11 blks (Triple-Double)

28. W: 45-27-3, 20-27

29. L: 21-24-4, 10-16

30. W: 25-19-9, 7-12

31. L: 23-12-4, 10-21

32. W: 8-31-8, 4-6

33. W: 20-24-2, 8-12, 10 blks (Triple-Double)

34. W: 24-29-4, 10-14, 8 blks

35. W: 21-28-4, 10-17, 8 blks

36. W: 5-22-7, 2-2

37. L: 23-21-3, 9-16


W-L : 24-13

Here were Wilt's averages in those 37 games:

29.5 ppg

26.1 rpg

4.2 apg (missing one game)

.546 FG% (in post-seasons that shot about .435 on average in that span.)

Keep in mind that 24 of those 37 games came after his "scoring seasons" (59-60 thru 65-66)

[LAZERUSS]

And don't forget these Chamberlain games, either...


Chamberlain had a KNOWN 21 playoff Triple-Doubles, 12 of which were 20 point Triple-Doubles, and 7 of those were 30 point Triple Doubles.

Data is from nbastats.net, and Julizaver, who is also a contributor to nbastats.net...both of which basketball-reference.com now uses in their data.

Here we go...

1.... 3/26/65... 30 pts, 15 rebs, 10 asts
2.... 3/31/65... 38 pts, 26 rebs, 10 blks
3.... 4/4/65.... 33 pts, 31 rebs, 11 blks
4.... 4/13/65... 30 pts, 26 rebs, 13 blks
5.... 3/22/67... 37 pts, 27 rebs, 11 asts
6.... 3/24/67... 16 pts, 30 rebs, 19 asts
7.... 3/31/67... 24 pts, 32 rebs, 13 asts, 12 blks (quad-double)
8.... 4/9/67.... 20 pts, 22 rebs, 10 asts
9.... 4/11/67...29 pts, 36 rebs, 13 asts
10... 4/14/67... 16 pts, 33 rebs, 10 asts
11... 4/16/67... 10 pts, 38 rebs, 10 asts, 10 blks (quad-double)
12... 4/20/69... 16 pts, 29 rebs, 16 blks
13... 4/23/69... 15 pts, 23 rebs, 13 blks
14... 4/5/70.... 36 pts, 14 rebs, 10 blks
15... 4/7/70.... 12 pts, 26 rebs, 11 asts, 11 blks (quad-double)
16... 4/9/70.... 30 pts, 27 rebs, 12 blks
17... 4/19/70... 11 pts, 21 rebs, 10 blks
18... 3/30/71... 12 pts, 23 rebs, 10 blks
19... 4/22/72... 20 pts, 24 rebs, 10 blks
20... 5/7/72.... 24 pts, 29 rebs, 10 blks * (CavsFTW with 8)
21... 4/8/73... 11 pts, 30 rebs, 12 blks

Also, there are recaps that give Wilt with a 39 pt, 30 reb, 11 blk game on 4/16/64 (nbastats.net had him with an estimated 12.)

And I did not include any estimated block data, but there were 17 more games that would have given Chamberlain triple-doubles with the estimated blocked shots. As well as an estimated 20 blocks in his 3/24/67 game of 16-30-19.

Oh, and so far no known data on Wilt's playoff game block totals before his '65 post-season. He may have had a dozen or more playoff games of 10+ blocks, and likely several more 30 point, and 20 point triple-doubles. Maybe even 40 or 50 point triple doubles.

Elias could argue that these blocked shot games were not official, but newspaper recaps have credited Chamberlain with known recorded blocks in those games.

And I forgot these...but Julizaver reminded me...


There are at least two more playoff games in my notes prior to 1965 where Wilt alegedly had tripple doubles:

1. 22.03.1962 56 pts 36 rebs 12 blocks 1 asist vs Siracusa in the clinching G5 (after his coach ask Wilt for superhuman perfomance before the game)

2. 16.04.1964 39 pts 30 rebs 12 blocks vs Hawks in G7.


Just looking at your post you miss the 1969 Game 7 where Wilt blocked 10 shots which means another tripple double. And you did not include a game from 1967 Finals where according to his coach Wilt blocked 15 shots.
Off course there are at a lot more games where he had 10+ blocks but we will never know for sure the exact number.

But, yes, go ahead and give us Deewayne's great moments in the post-season. But sorry, you can't include the '06 Finals, which were known by virtually everyone who actually watched them...to have been FIXED.

[aj1987]

Lozerus is just butt hurt because he got absolutely murdered in the other thread.

[GrapeApe]

But, yes, go ahead and give us Deewayne's great moments in the post-season. But sorry, you can't include the '06 Finals, which were known by virtually everyone who actually watched them...to have been FIXED.

Yeah, the 2006 finals were so "fixed" that the Mavs were given FT's that could have essentially iced the series. They were so "fixed" that the Heat were down 0-2 in the series and trailed by 13 points in the 4th quarter of game 3. They were so "fixed" that Avery Johnson admitted to instructing his team to foul Wade because they couldn't stop him. They were so "fixed" that nearly every foul call in the series has been proven to be legit.

In saying the 2006 finals were fixed, you're basically saying the Mavs were in on it and the NBA is full on WWE.

[SouBeachTalents]

I just think it's funny some people still try to gloss over Wade gunning for Finals MVP in 2011. It was his for the taking. Dallas was doubling LeBron every time he touched it, but Wade couldn't convert in the clutch. He absolutely atrocious in that regard in the Finals. Spolestra builds the team around LeBron the next season, and they win the next two titles. :eek:

SO much bullshit in this post :oldlol: Wade "gunning" for MVP is one of the biggest myths created on this forum

Wade's 2011 regular season
PPG: 26
FGA: 18
FTA: 9
APG: 5
USG%: 31.6

Wade's 2011 Finals
PPG: 27
FGA: 18
FTA: 8
APG: 5
USG%: 30.2

Numbers are IDENTICAL in every conceivable way. Also, if you wanna see someone being atrocious in the clutch, it doesn't get any worse than this

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2icbfnm.jpg

[moongaze]

The numbers speak for themselves. 47.5 percent shooting and 44 percent from three all the while going off on 73 win golden state

[RRR3]

Wade was "gunning for Finals MVP" in 2011? Is that what the excuse for LeBron choking is now? Jesus Christ, LeBron just had an absolutely unbelievably good finals, leading Cleveland to an unprecedented comeback against a 73 win team. Appreciate it. His legacy is set as top 5 for most it seems. There's no need whatsoever to try and make 2011 something that it wasn't: an awful hideous choke.


Here's what I remember of the 2011 finals:

1. LeBron basically turning into Evan Turner after game 1
2. Wade and Chalmers being the only Heat players (consistently) actively making a difference on offense and showing lots of fight, unlike LeBron
3. Bosh bricking everything
4. Mike Bibby looking like the absolute worst player of all time
5. Mavericks role players raining 3 like 2016 Curry
6. Dirk making every damn FT




It doesn't make you any less of a fan to admit the truth. It shows you're not delusional, in fact. Me, Aj, SouBeach...we're all LBJ fans. You guys blaming Wade are just idiots.

[Smoke117]

Wade was "gunning for Finals MVP" in 2011? Is that what the excuse for LeBron choking is now? Jesus Christ, LeBron just had an absolutely unbelievably good finals, leading Cleveland to an unprecedented comeback against a 73 win team. Appreciate it. His legacy is set as top 5 for most it seems. There's no need whatsoever to try and make 2011 something that it wasn't: an awful hideous choke.


Here's what I remember of the 2011 finals:

1. LeBron basically turning into Evan Turner after game 1
2. Wade and Chalmers being the only Heat players (consistently) actively making a difference on offense and showing lots of fight, unlike LeBron
3. Bosh bricking everything
4. Mike Bibby looking like the absolute worst player of all time
5. Mavericks role players raining 3 like 2016 Curry
6. Dirk making every damn FT




It doesn't make you any less of a fan to admit the truth. It shows you're not delusional, in fact. Me, Aj, SouBeach...we're all LBJ fans. You guys blaming Wade are just idiots.

MJ, Lebron, Kobe fans...the triangle of insecurity.

[Inferno]

Bran stans are trying to deflect the blame off him for the 2011 choke now? :oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

Yeah, the 2006 finals were so "fixed" that the Mavs were given FT's that could have essentially iced the series. They were so "fixed" that the Heat were down 0-2 in the series and trailed by 13 points in the 4th quarter of game 3. They were so "fixed" that Avery Johnson admitted to instructing his team to foul Wade because they couldn't stop him. They were so "fixed" that nearly every foul call in the series has been proven to be legit.

In saying the 2006 finals were fixed, you're basically saying the Mavs were in on it and the NBA is full on WWE.
These people here man...

One person hears another say something about a fixing and the next 12 people glob on to it. Nobody actually knows what they're talking about.

People who watched the 2006 finals understand that Dirk, one of the best FT shooters of all time, missed one that could have sent the game to OT, as they were up 2-0.

People who watched knew that the Mavs had literally no answer for Wade. The rule change was in place and it worked to the advantage of ALL the elite offensive players in the league. Wasn't rigged...twas the rules. Wade's skillset took advantage of it. So did Kobe's that year. So did Bron's. Iverson's. Etc.

[GrapeApe]

These people here man...

One person hears another say something about a fixing and the next 12 people glob on to it. Nobody actually knows what they're talking about.

People who watched the 2006 finals understand that Dirk, one of the best FT shooters of all time, missed a one that couple have sent the game to OT, as they were up 2-0.

People who watched knew that the Mavs had literally no answer for Wade. The rule change was in place and it worked to the advantage of ALL the elite offensive players in the league. Wasn't rigged...twas the rules. Wade's skillset took advantage of it. So did Kobe's that year. So did Bron's. Iverson's. Etc.

Exactly. If you want to say Wade capitalized on the rule change, fine, but the rigging stuff is pure nonsense. His entire playoff run was elite, including a dominant ECF against the Pistons. They were one of the best defensive teams in the league, had the DPOY, and Wade shredded them with 27/7/6 on 61% shooting. For that matter, look at his 2005 playoff run. What Wade did to the Mavs in 2006 is what he'd been doing to the entire league for 2 years. It wasn't rigging, lightning in a bottle, or some kind of anomoly. Young Wade surgically dismantled everyone.

[greatest-ever]

Offensively just in the playoffs vs 11 Wade? It's a tossup with a slight edge to Wade, i think he has better shot selection and is just smarter. Once u factor in defense though, it becomes a silly comparison.

[moongaze]

Offensively just in the playoffs vs 11 Wade? It's a tossup with a slight edge to Wade, i think he has better shot selection and is just smarter. Once u factor in defense though, it becomes a silly comparison.

Better shot selection, yet as a bigger and more athletic player his field goal percentage was a whopping 1 point higher than Kyrie, who shot and made a lot more threes. How is he just smarter? Your post is shit.