Is basketball the only sport where a 1950s-1960s athlete

[Big164]

Was physically superior than everyone playing today?

[Nilocon165]

Wilt is not as good as Lebron you ignorant slut just let it go

[Lebron23]

Wilt is not as good as Lebron you ignorant slut just let it go


Burnnnnnnnnn

[ralph_i_el]

Jim Brown?

Also, Wilt, Shaq, Bron are all on the same freak-tier IMO

[BigKAT]

Well, I don't know much about NFL, MLB, I'm not an american.

But as far as I understand Basketball leagues are the newest sport out of those.
Which would mean that popularity would have an impact.

And yeah, a 20 years old league with 8 team might definetly create a situation in which one team takes 11 championships in 13 seasons.

And it could most definetly create a situation where since it is not yet in the spotlight, gifted athletes, from many reasons to racial issues, financial choices, not having the right tools and support system-- Will opt for different careers, in different sports.

Which could definetly create a situation with only one or two pinnacale athletes as opposed to today when every team has someone capable of a 360 windmill dunk, a 6-11 + with hops and if you're not fast enough/big enough/smart enough you go play overseas.

So, Yes. It could -seem- that way.

[LAZERUSS]

Google Mickey Mantle, who was 5-11 and about 190...and was an alcoholic.

Or, you could just google "tape measure homeruns."


Another off the top of my head...

Bullet Bob Hayes.

[Mr Feeny]

Which 60's player?

Not the 18 ppg finals scorer, surely?

[Bankaii]

I don't get it. If Wilt is such this superior athlete that was a God at scoring, why is a sub 20 ppg Finals scorer?

Lebron has one sub 20ppg Finals series and gets destroyed for it. But for Wilt it was expected. The most overrated GOAT tier player right after Russell.
Funny how both played in the weakest era of all time.

[Mr Feeny]

^

Because he's nowhere near a Lebron james.
There's a reason lebron is a top 3 goat while Ilt is an 18 ppg finals scorer.
On the biggest stage, he'd shake with fear. Quivering and melting down.

[Big164]

A 6'8 midget puts on a headband and u idiots think he's Chamberlain.

Prime Wilt was 7'1, 310 lbs averaging 48 mins a game. Forget basketball what 300 pounder in history of Earth could run up and down a court for 48 straight mins..let alone dunk, block shots, grab rebounds, and chase guards

[LAZERUSS]

^

Because he's nowhere near a Lebron james.
There's a reason lebron is a top 3 goat while Ilt is an 18 ppg finals scorer.
On the biggest stage, he'd shake with fear. Quivering and melting down.

http://assets.rappler.com/612F469A6EA84F6BAE882D2B94A4B421/img/80A41FCB15AC43BFB45BEE8BD0563BFE/lebron-james-cramp-20140606.jpg


http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

And what a stud...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAEXl-zqEY4

[FreezingTsmoove]

Which 60's player?

Not the 18 ppg finals scorer, surely?

Wasnt that Lebrons averages in his first two finals

[Mr Feeny]

Might well have been but his career average is 27 ppg and he's averaged 33 ppg over the last 2 finals so there's that! :lol

How many 40 point finals games does Kobe have btw?

[FKAri]

Its because the C position in basketball requires an extremely niche body type and is almost entirely dependent on god given attributes. Doesn't matter if you're a bonehead from a 1000 years ago. If you are 7' + 300lbs + good wingspan + good vertical, you're a candidate worth a tryout.

[Big164]

Chamberlain's physical Superiority over Lebron is very similar to Lebron over steph. Sheer size without sacrificing athletecism.

7'1 310 lbs
6'8 250lbs
6'3 190lbs


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-21-2015/bWYe9P.gif

[Psileas]

Wasnt that Lebrons averages in his first two finals

And, most importantly, this was his avg while LeBron was a 27 ppg scorer, not a player who had changed his whole style of play and had cut down his scoring willingly. Prime Lebron was out there, getting torched by guys like Parker or Terry, getting chained defensively by non athletic midget Barea and so on. Wilt gets blasted by idiots for being somewhat limited by all-time monsters like Russell or Thurmond, while LeBron had been outplayed by nobodies or secondary stars at best. Trolls may want to forget this shit, but this will never be erased, it's set in stone: LeBron has been outplayed and ashamed at degrees untouchable by GOAT Wilt.

[ClipperRevival]

You can't help when you are born. But special is special and Wilt was. Anyone denying this needs to read up. But at the same time, that's exactly why I am so hard on him because he had such physical advantages over the league but didn't impose himself on the opposition when it mattered most in certain playoff series. To me, that is an unforgivable sin. To not give your best and leave it all out on the table is worse than trying your best but failing.

[KirbyPls]

I don't get it. If Wilt is such this superior athlete that was a God at scoring, why is a sub 20 ppg Finals scorer?

Lebron has one sub 20ppg Finals series and gets destroyed for it. But for Wilt it was expected. The most overrated GOAT tier player right after Russell.
Funny how both played in the weakest era of all time.

:applause:

[KirbyPls]

And, most importantly, this was his avg while LeBron was a 27 ppg scorer, not a player who had changed his whole style of play and had cut down his scoring willingly. Prime Lebron was out there, getting torched by guys like Parker or Terry, getting chained defensively by non athletic midget Barea and so on. Wilt gets blasted by idiots for being somewhat limited by all-time monsters like Russell or Thurmond, while LeBron had been outplayed by nobodies or secondary stars at best. Trolls may want to forget this shit, but this will never be erased, it's set in stone: LeBron has been outplayed and ashamed at degrees untouchable by GOAT Wilt.

Limited my ass. 6 Finals, 18ppg AVERAGE.

[FKAri]

You can't help when you are born. But special is special and Wilt was. Anyone denying this needs to read up. But at the same time, that's exactly why I am so hard on him because he had such physical advantages over the league but didn't impose himself on the opposition when it mattered most in certain playoff series. To me, that is an unforgivable sin. To not give your best and leave it all out on the table is worse than trying your best but failing.
Basketball wasn't shit in the 60's. Wilt worked as a basketball player for some time. To him it didn't matter if he didn't won employee of the year awards. He wanted to be a movie star and had other things on his mind all the time.

Some people are competitive. Some are not. Some are competitive and try their best to achieve even if they're not in the most glamorous sport of industry. Wilt wasn't that guy.

If Wilt knew that forums like this would exist to judge his play, his response would be "who gives a ****?". Though from various sources I do understand he did care what people thought of him, overall.

[LAZERUSS]

Limited my ass. 6 Finals, 18ppg AVERAGE.

Actually 19 ppg, and in seasons in which he averaged 23 ppg in the same span.

Furthermore, he actually exceeded his regular season scoring against the same team he would face in the Finals, in four of them ('64, '70, '72, and '73.)

Won one FMVP averaging 19 ppg, and would surely have won another in a series in which he averaged 18 ppg (and an opposing player averaged 41 ppg...compare that with Lebron's 36 ppg on .398, and in a series in which a role player off the bench won a FMVP.)

[LAZERUSS]

Limited my ass. 6 Finals, 18ppg AVERAGE.

Too bad that PRIME Chamberlain didn't face the likes of a washed-up Smits in his last season; or a never was, career 6 ppg scoring MaCullouch; or a complete bust in Dampier, in three of his Finals.

Or faced a 35 year old Mutombo, and who would was allowed to be bloodied like this in the Finals...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3FXLyNFew

I counted four offensive fouls in that sequence alone, as well as a travel and a palming.

And when a Shaq faced a similar player to Russell...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg3BiOw4TWo

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

And, most importantly, this was his avg while LeBron was a 27 ppg scorer, not a player who had changed his whole style of play and had cut down his scoring willingly. Prime Lebron was out there, getting torched by guys like Parker or Terry, getting chained defensively by non athletic midget Barea and so on. Wilt gets blasted by idiots for being somewhat limited by all-time monsters like Russell or Thurmond, while LeBron had been outplayed by nobodies or secondary stars at best. Trolls may want to forget this shit, but this will never be erased, it's set in stone: LeBron has been outplayed and ashamed at degrees untouchable by GOAT Wilt.

How about this...

Lebron led his 57-25 team over the 73-9 Warriors in the Finals, which included teammate Kyrie hitting the game-winning shot in the clincher...in a game seven in which Lebron put up a 27-11-11 game on a .475 TS%...in a series in which James averaged 29.7 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 8.9 apg, 2.3 bpg, and shot a TS% of .562...

with...

Chamberlain leading his 40-40 team to a game seven, one point loss, in a game in which teammate Greer threw an in-bounds pass from under their offensive basket, that was intercepted by Havlicek in the last few seconds...in a game seven in which Chamberlain put up a 30-32 game on a .698 TS%...
in a series in which Wilt averaged 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, 3.3 apg, 7.0 bpg, and shot a TS% of .560.

Granted, Chamberlain's came in the EDF's, and not in the Finals...BUT, the Celtics would go on to crush the Baylor-less Lakers in the Finals, 4-1, in a series in which Russell would average 18-25 on a .702 FG%.

Bottom line...Lebron was one teammate's winning shot away from losing that game seven, while Chamberlain was one teammate's bone-headed pass away from likely winning that game seven.

[Hey Yo]

And, most importantly, this was his avg while LeBron was a 27 ppg scorer, not a player who had changed his whole style of play and had cut down his scoring willingly. Prime Lebron was out there, getting torched by guys like Parker or Terry, getting chained defensively by non athletic midget Barea and so on. Wilt gets blasted by idiots for being somewhat limited by all-time monsters like Russell or Thurmond, while LeBron had been outplayed by nobodies or secondary stars at best. Trolls may want to forget this shit, but this will never be erased, it's set in stone: LeBron has been outplayed and ashamed at degrees untouchable by GOAT Wilt.
Parker nor Terry were LeBron's primary assignment. Might want to talk to Chalmers and Wade about those 2.

"chained defensively by Barea"

:oldlol: :rolleyes:

[LAZERUSS]

Parker nor Terry were LeBron's primary assignment. Might want to talk to Chalmers and Wade about those 2.

"chained defensively by Barea"

:oldlol: :rolleyes:

http://grantland.com/features/nba-finals-game-6-retro-diary/


6:42: Just wanted to commemorate this moment: Miami down three, gets a rebound and gets the ball to LeBron on the right side of the key, with J.J. Barea defending him one-on-one … and LeBron turns and throws a pass 20 feet backwards to Wade at midcourt. A few seconds later, Miami gives it back to LeBron, who reluctantly backs Barea down to the low post … and bowls him over. Offensive foul. All hail the King!

[aj1987]

http://grantland.com/features/nba-finals-game-6-retro-diary/
How do you not know how switches work? :facepalm

Good lord. Stop reading stories about the mental midget and his chokes and watch a game or two.

I still remember that play. I think it's on YT as well. Whenever JJ switched onto LeBron in the post, he was flopping. Literally every play.

Marion and Kidd primarily defended LeBron, BTW.

[feyki]

Wilt is very popular nowadays .

[Mr Feeny]

http://grantland.com/features/nba-finals-game-6-retro-diary/

Like AJ said,I'm not sure you quite understand how defense works or the concept of switches. Did you really just bring up an individual play when asked to prove the lie you made up about Barea being Lebron's primary defender?

Do you know anything about basketball?

[Psileas]

How about this...

Lebron led his 57-25 team over the 73-9 Warriors in the Finals, which included teammate Kyrie hitting the game-winning shot in the clincher...in a game seven in which Lebron put up a 27-11-11 game on a .475 TS%...in a series in which James averaged 29.7 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 8.9 apg, 2.3 bpg, and shot a TS% of .562...

with...

Chamberlain leading his 40-40 team to a game seven, one point loss, in a game in which teammate Greer threw an in-bounds pass from under their offensive basket, that was intercepted by Havlicek in the last few seconds...in a game seven in which Chamberlain put up a 30-32 game on a .698 TS%...
in a series in which Wilt averaged 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, 3.3 apg, 7.0 bpg, and shot a TS% of .560.

Granted, Chamberlain's came in the EDF's, and not in the Finals...BUT, the Celtics would go on to crush the Baylor-less Lakers in the Finals, 4-1, in a series in which Russell would average 18-25 on a .702 FG%.

Bottom line...Lebron was one teammate's winning shot away from losing that game seven, while Chamberlain was one teammate's bone-headed pass away from likely winning that game seven.

That series by Wilt was easily among the greatest ever. Against a team that won 22 games more and went on to beat the Lakers in 5, not against a team that had already almost lost to the Thunder, already proving that they were not all-time GOAT playoff material, unless the Thunder are also considered by anyone an all-time great team, which I've never seen anyone claim.

(Isn't it funny how these trolls try to disparage Wilt by claiming that "playoffs are what matter", yet they want us to be in awe of Lebron's team beating a team that had only dominated in the regular season and had already lost 5 games before the Finals had even started?)

[Big164]

I wouldnt be surprised if Wilt paid a visit to Gloria James house back in the 1980s. Im not being Vulgar here, it would explain Lebrons freakish genetics.

[La Frescobaldi]

Was physically superior than everyone playing today?
No.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02173/Eddy_Merckx_2173656a.jpg
Still the winningest athlete in history and nobody is remotely close.


http://www.sportsplacement.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/sandy-koufax-joins-dodgers.jpeg
4 no-hitters including a perfect game.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/659/414/MickeyMantle_crop_exact.jpg

https://postmediaprovince.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/bobbyorrflying.jpg
Bobby Orr played to win.

In fact, probably the ONLY major sport from the '60s that did NOT produce an athlete capable of competing at the very highest levels today... is boxing.

[LAZERUSS]

How do you not know how switches work? :facepalm

Good lord. Stop reading stories about the mental midget and his chokes and watch a game or two.

I still remember that play. I think it's on YT as well. Whenever JJ switched onto LeBron in the post, he was flopping. Literally every play.

Marion and Kidd primarily defended LeBron, BTW.

Oh rrreeeaaalllyyy....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh_cdQuPS7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fSlLdXNzPw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpp13kwRzTY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAEXl-zqEY4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZpGKC62qvs


The list is ENDLESS.

LeChoke is the KING of the LeFlop.

And none of that footage includes his actual playoff flop jobs where he would shoot .355, .356, .398 et al, in playoff series and Finals, either.


NEVER bring up "flopping" again, you moron.

[LAZERUSS]

Like AJ said,I'm not sure you quite understand how defense works or the concept of switches. Did you really just bring up an individual play when asked to prove the lie you made up about Barea being Lebron's primary defender?

Do you know anything about basketball?

First of all, I never claimed that JJ was a PRIMARY defender on LeFlop. Not once.

I merely pointed out that, YES, he was defended by Barea, and couldn't do a damn thing against him.

Speaking of defense, LeChoke made the career of little known Andre Iguodala. Role player, off the bench, and ONE-ON-ONE, held 3" to a series FG% of .398. A bench player winning the FMVP...all thanks to King Floppy's play.

[aj1987]

Oh rrreeeaaalllyyy....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh_cdQuPS7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fSlLdXNzPw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpp13kwRzTY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAEXl-zqEY4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZpGKC62qvs


The list is ENDLESS.

LeChoke is the KING of the LeFlop.

And none of that footage includes his actual playoff flop jobs where he would shoot .355, .356, .398 et al, in playoff series and Finals, either.


NEVER bring up "flopping" again, you moron.
Why the **** does that have to do with what I said about Barea flopping, you braindead inbred retard?

As I said, you've never actually watched a game of basketball in your life and hence, you have absolutely ZERO idea about what actually goes on in a game. Stick to posting excuses for the mental midget.



Speaking of defense, LeChoke made the career of little known Andre Iguodala. Role player, off the bench, and ONE-ON-ONE, held 3" to a series FG% of .398. A bench player winning the FMVP...all thanks to King Floppy's play.
Unlike Chokerlain, when you're on LeBron's level, the standards are a bit high. Dude nearly won the FMVP, even though his team lost and his defensive cover won FMVP even though LeBron averaged 36/13/9 on 40%.

[LAZERUSS]

That series by Wilt was easily among the greatest ever. Against a team that won 22 games more and went on to beat the Lakers in 5, not against a team that had already almost lost to the Thunder, already proving that they were not all-time GOAT playoff material, unless the Thunder are also considered by anyone an all-time great team, which I've never seen anyone claim.

(Isn't it funny how these trolls try to disparage Wilt by claiming that "playoffs are what matter", yet they want us to be in awe of Lebron's team beating a team that had only dominated in the regular season and had already lost 5 games before the Finals had even started?)

Easily the MOST DOMINANT playoff series EVER. Here was Chamberlain, traded at mid-season for three players, to a team that had gone 34-46 the year before...and just CARPET-BOMBING another GOAT-Level player, and his 62-18 Celtics with an unstoppable seven game series.

30 ppg on 21 FGAs per game, with a .555 FG%, in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot a collective .412 from the field.

In game seven, Chamberlain shot 12-15 (.800) from the floor, and his teammates collectively shot 29-75 from the field (.387)...in a one-point loss. BTW, Wilt scored Philly's last eight points, including 2-2 from the line with 36 secs left, and then a thunderous dunk over Russell with 5 secs left, to pull the Sixers to within 110-109. Then the "clutch" Russell hit a guidewire with his inbounds pass, giving the ball back to Philly with five secs left and under their own basket. However, as was almost always the case... a Wilt teammate, this time Greer, choked, and threw an in-bounds pass that was picked off by Hondo.

Wilt outscored a Top-5 GOAT by a 30.1 ppg to 15.6 ppg margin; outrebounded him by a 31.4 rpg to 25.2 rpg margin; outshot him by a .550 to .447 margin; outshot him from the FT line by a .583 to .472 margin; had a TS% advantage of .560 to .450; and even outblocked him in known blocks by a 35-22 margin.

Again...THE most dominant series ever administered by one GOAT upon another.


Of course, he would equal it in the '67 EDF's, when he and his Sixers crushed the eight-time defending, and 60-21, champs...4-1, in a series in which they were four points away from a sweep in game four.

In the clinching game five 140-116 win, Chamberlain outscored Russell, 29-4 (with 22 of them coming in the first half when the game was still close; outshot Russell from the field, 10-16 to 2-5; outassisted Russell, 13-7; outrebounded Russell, 36-21; and even took the time to block 7 shots.

For the series, Chamberlain hung his second consecutive TRIPLE-DOUBLE series (his first was a 28-27-11 .617 series against the Royals), with a 22-32-10 .556 series. He outscored Russell, per game, 21.6 ppg to 11.2 ppg; outrebounded Russell, per game, by a 32.0 rpg to 23.4 rpg margin; outassisted Russell, per game, by a 10.0 apg to 6.0 apg margin; and outshot Russell from the field by a .556 to .358 margin.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

Why the **** does that have to do with what I said about Barea flopping, you braindead inbred retard?

As I said, you've never actually watched a game of basketball in your life and hence, you have absolutely ZERO idea about what actually goes on in a game. Stick to posting excuses for the mental midget.


Unlike Chokerlain, when you're on LeBron's level, the standards are a bit high. Dude nearly won the FMVP, even though his team lost and his defensive cover won FMVP even though LeBron averaged 36/13/9 on 40%.

LeChoke "clutch?"

Interesting,... just a year ago, and after losing game six in the Finals...ESPN ran this article...

http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106689/making-the-historical-comparison-between-lebron-james-other-all-time-greats?ex_cid=espnapi_public


Thursday’s loss in Game 6 dropped the record of LeBron James’ teams in the NBA Finals to 2-4. Of the 11 players in NBA history to win the MVP award and reach Finals five or more times, only James and Wilt Chamberlain have a losing record in Finals.

Chamberlain is not the only Hall of Fame member who reached at least 3 Finals and has a losing record. A total of 18 Hall of Fame members have that distinction (according to the Elias Sports Bureau), including Chamberlain (also 2-4), Jerry West (1-8) and Karl Malone (0-3).

How well do James and his teams compare historically to other all-time greats? Stats & Info takes a look.

James does it all … except in the clutch

It would be hard to blame James for the Cavaliers’ loss in the 2015 Finals. He became the first player to lead both teams in points, rebounds and assists per game in an NBA Finals.

He scored or assisted on 57.7 points per game during the 2015 Finals, the most per game in Finals history – beating the mark of Michael Jordan (55.3) in the 1993 Finals.

But, in clutch time, James faltered. (Clutch time is defined as the last five minutes of the fourth quarter and overtime with the score within five points.)

James missed 14 of his 17 field goals in clutch time during the 2015 Finals, including shots to win in regulation of Game 1 and Game 2. The Cavaliers were outscored in the fourth quarter and overtime in every game but Game 6, when the Warriors had a comfortable lead entering the quarter.

For his career in the Finals, James has shot just under 30 percent in clutch time, which does not compare favorably to the shooting percentages of Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade.

THAT is why the "Lebron-Stopper" Iggy, won the FMVP. He did so ONE-ON-ONE, and not only holding LeChoke to a horrific .398 FG%...but completely shutting him down in the CLUTCH.

Too bad he was injured in game six of this year's Finals...or there was a good chance we would reading about how LeChoke CHOKED again. Hell, in their game seven WIN this year, LeChoke went 0-4 from the floor in the last 4:14. Fortunately for LeFlop...Kyrie nailed the game-winner.

[aj1987]

LeChoke "clutch?"

Interesting,... just a year ago, and after losing game six in the Finals...ESPN ran this article...

http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106689/making-the-historical-comparison-between-lebron-james-other-all-time-greats?ex_cid=espnapi_public



THAT is why the "Lebron-Stopper" Iggy, won the FMVP. He did so ONE-ON-ONE, and not only holding LeChoke to a horrific .398 FG%...but completely shutting him down in the CLUTCH.

Too bad he was injured in game six of this year's Finals...or there was a good chance we would reading about how LeChoke CHOKED again. Hell, in their game seven WIN this year, LeChoke went 0-4 from the floor in the last 4:14. Fortunately for LeFlop...Kyrie nailed the game-winner.
:biggums: :biggums:

Are you off your meds?

[Mr Feeny]

LeChoke "clutch?"

Interesting,... just a year ago, and after losing game six in the Finals...ESPN ran this article...

http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106689/making-the-historical-comparison-between-lebron-james-other-all-time-greats?ex_cid=espnapi_public



THAT is why the "Lebron-Stopper" Iggy, won the FMVP. He did so ONE-ON-ONE, and not only holding LeChoke to a horrific .398 FG%...but completely shutting him down in the CLUTCH.

Too bad he was injured in game six of this year's Finals...or there was a good chance we would reading about how LeChoke CHOKED again. Hell, in their game seven WIN this year, LeChoke went 0-4 from the floor in the last 4:14. Fortunately for LeFlop...Kyrie nailed the game-winner.

Trolling aside, do you know ANYTHING about basketball?:oldlol:
"LeFlop choked" "needed a Kyrie 3"
Do you understand the game?:oldlol:

[aj1987]

Trolling aside, do you know ANYTHING about basketball?:oldlol:
"LeFlop choked" "needed a Kyrie 3"
Do you understand the game?:oldlol:
He thinks Barea guarded LeBron in the '11 Finals, based off of that one pic.

[Mr Feeny]

He thinks Barea guarded LeBron in the '11 Finals, based off of that one pic.

:oldlol: