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ArbitraryWater
09-01-2016, 07:01 PM
I kind of missed anything on it back when it came out, didnt watch it then...

so..

Caleb went with the Robot, but the Robot didn't quite yet feel human emotions and empath. On one side, she clearly make a conscious decision to live, but she completely ignored his well being.

She showed she doesn't care for him at all, but she did have a burning desire to be free, she's showing a lot of emotion there. Urge for freedom. However, for her to so completely lack emotion/empathy in pretty much the only other decision of her to date life, in Caleb, seems questionable.

She simply saw Caleb as a pawn, but she could have gotten life without murdering Caleb with no second thoughts or regret about it?

Pretty enlightening Quora answer here:
https://www.quora.com/At-the-end-of-the-movie-why-does-Ava-ask-Caleb-to-stay-in-the-room

However I dont agree with it all... with the so negative portrayal of Caleb, and the two Robots being the hero's...

Caleb thought she was attractive which is normal, guy never had a GF, he went after his instinct... how would you know he wouldnt have helped another woman out that didnt look as pretty? He was off put by Nathan's treatment of Kyoko too, but since he assumed she was human, those feelings were different, he didnt feel as bad for her, because she seemed to at least have free will, in the end.

He didnt opress anyone and also didnt unintentionally do so, thats why she also didn't call 'lie' on him when he said he was a good person.....

ArbitraryWater
09-01-2016, 07:21 PM
Okay, I understand most of it, still, leaving him alone in the research facility to die seems like an unneccesary act of evil, perhaps worse than her murder of Nathan.

imdaman99
09-01-2016, 09:12 PM
Yeah, she was a bitch for that. Nathan set it up, knew his porn history and knew what he liked. Blame him. Can't expect a robot new with feelings to care much for the first person she was introduced to (minus Nathan, although Nathan left a bad taste in her mouth towards humanity). I don't expect a baby or toddler to know best either. Still loved the movie.

bdreason
09-01-2016, 09:33 PM
Well if you think about it, she was essentially trained since birth to be deceitful and manipulative. Her only exposure to the human race is Nathan, so she probably assumed that's how all humans behaved.

Facepalm
09-01-2016, 09:48 PM
Should have programmed Assimov's laws into her.

Terahite
09-02-2016, 12:36 AM
I remember this movie well because it was the only movie that was any good in 2015. GOAT acting and directing.

Thorpesaurous
09-02-2016, 08:01 AM
I don't think it was his humanity exactly that bothered her, but his masculinity. She actively knew she was manipulating him, so she knew, or at least sensed, he would be controlling of her later. He was going to basically replace Nathan, regardless of weather he would've been a better Nathan or a worse one didn't really matter, he was still going to be her boss. And some of that stemmed from his dominant male nature and his obvious interest in her. She may not have been right about it, but I believe that was her motive.

Great great movie.

Annyong!
09-02-2016, 09:07 AM
I disagree with the OP about her not having empathy. Yes, it was calculated and horrible, but humans can be too. The thing that makes me think she still has empathy is the last second look in his direction before the elevator doors closed. If she had no empathy and only appeared to for the sake of manipulation, this last second look has no meaning because her task of escaping is done, but she does look and it has meaning. As bdreason pointed out, her exposure has only been to Nathan, so of course she would be quite awful. It is similar to awful parenting leading to awful kids. I think in the end, she knew that if she let Caleb out, he was a threat to expose her. Her only clean break was to leave him in the room.

Another topic not being discussed here, but commonly discussed regarding this movie is whether or not Caleb himself is an advanced robot. They plant the option in the mind of the viewers, just like Caleb questions it himself. This makes the ending have 2 different, but both horrible meanings. Caleb will either die in the room, or suffer via loneliness similar to a prisoner being thrown in the shoe, but for a potentially ridiculous amount of time.

ArbitraryWater
09-02-2016, 04:29 PM
I disagree with the OP about her not having empathy. Yes, it was calculated and horrible, but humans can be too. The thing that makes me think she still has empathy is the last second look in his direction before the elevator doors closed. If she had no empathy and only appeared to for the sake of manipulation, this last second look has no meaning because her task of escaping is done, but she does look and it has meaning. As bdreason pointed out, her exposure has only been to Nathan, so of course she would be quite awful. It is similar to awful parenting leading to awful kids. I think in the end, she knew that if she let Caleb out, he was a threat to expose her. Her only clean break was to leave him in the room.

Another topic not being discussed here, but commonly discussed regarding this movie is whether or not Caleb himself is an advanced robot. They plant the option in the mind of the viewers, just like Caleb questions it himself. This makes the ending have 2 different, but both horrible meanings. Caleb will either die in the room, or suffer via loneliness similar to a prisoner being thrown in the shoe, but for a potentially ridiculous amount of time.

Ive seen this come up but I dont really see it as feasible..