Rasheed Wallace was a better player than Kevin Garnett

[RoseCity07]

Facts.

He always got the better of Garnett in the playoffs.

He carried Portland within a quarter of the NBA Finals when they played a prime Shaq and Kobe team.

When he got traded to Detroit he was the piece that put them over the top.



Kevin Garnett on the other hand was a career loser on the T'Wolves. They had 1 great year in the playoffs vs the Lakers where they lost.

KG joined a super team and still only won a single championship. He was probably the weakest link of the big 3.

Agree or Disagree?

[SouBeachTalents]

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[Nilocon165]

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[Akrazotile]

You could reasonably argue Rasheed had more talent. But in terms of consistency and dependability, KG is so far ahead of him that it doesn't allow any legitimate consideration of taking Rasheed over KG for a team.

[NBAGOAT]

Facts.

He always got the better of Garnett in the playoffs.

He carried Portland within a quarter of the NBA Finals when they played a prime Shaq and Kobe team.

When he got traded to Detroit he was the piece that put them over the top.



Kevin Garnett on the other hand was a career loser on the T'Wolves. They had 1 great year in the playoffs vs the Lakers where they lost.

KG joined a super team and still only won a single championship. He was probably the weakest link of the big 3.

Agree or Disagree?

my god i disagree with pretty much everything here besides him putting det over top :facepalm. portland was a super team with steve smith and pippen too even if rasheed was their best guy. kg had no one at even an all star level til cassell. also, u cant be serious with saying he's the weakest of the big 3

[RoseCity07]

my god i disagree with pretty much everything here besides him putting det over top :facepalm. portland was a super team with steve smith and pippen too even if rasheed was their best guy. kg had no one at even an all star level til cassell. also, u cant be serious with saying he's the weakest of the big 3


KG was almost Chris Webber like in the clutch during the NBA Finals. Constant mistakes. Ray Allen and Pierce made clutch shots and defensive plays. Pierce shut Kobe down.

Garnett had maybe one memorable offensive play in a clutch situation.

Garnett was vital but I think the weakest performer that series.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Im tired of the no help excuse. If you legitimately want to win then get the **** out of your shitty franchise if you notice there is no direction

Rasheed had a way better career than Garnett and the proof is in his regular season sucess and playoff sucess

Garnett was stuck in the lottery for most of his career

[SouBeachTalents]

KG was almost Chris Webber like in the clutch during the NBA Finals. Constant mistakes. Ray Allen and Pierce made clutch shots and defensive plays. Pierce shut Kobe down.

Garnett had maybe one memorable offensive play in a clutch situation.

Garnett was vital but I think the weakest performer that series.

KG was easily the Celtics best player through the first 3 rounds though

[RRR3]

Easily one of the dumbest threads in ISH history. "Consistently got the better of him in the playoffs"? You know that we can look up stuff to see if you're full of shit, right? And the evidence I found says you're full of shit.



They played TWICE in the playoffs (2000 WC First round and 2008 ECF). Rasheed's Blazers won the first won, KG's Celtics the second. Here are their stats


2000 WCR1 (Blazers won 4-1)

Rasheed: 13.5/6.0/3.0/1.0/1.5 on .524/.500/.750
KG: 18.8/10.8/8.8/1.3/0.8 on .385/.667/.813


KG was the first option on a much weaker team, Rasheed was on a much better team.





2008 ECF (Celtics won 4-2)

KG: 22.8/9.7/3.3/0.8/1.0 on .525/.250/.811
Rasheed: 12.0/7.0/1.7/0.8/2.0 on .415/.308/.833






So the first series KG was clearly outmatched team wise, probably explaining his awful efficiency. Still averaged close to a triple double, and it's not like Rasheed's stats that series are impressive, especially since played 42.3 MPG in that series.

In the second series, KG took a giant steaming shit on Rasheed.



There's no point in comparing their career stats and accolades, because we know KG destroys him there already.

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[RoseCity07]

Easily one of the dumbest threads in ISH history. "Consistently got the better of him in the playoffs"? You know that we can look up stuff to see if you're full of shit, right? And the evidence I found says you're full of shit.



They played TWICE in the playoffs (2000 WC First round and 2008 ECF). Rasheed's Blazers won the first won, KG's Celtics the second. Here are their stats


2000 WCR1 (Blazers won 4-1)

Rasheed: 13.5/6.0/3.0/1.0/1.5 on .524/.500/.750
KG: 18.8/10.8/8.8/1.3/0.8 on .385/.667/.813


KG was the first option on a much weaker team, Rasheed was on a much better team.





2008 ECF (Celtics won 4-2)

KG: 22.8/9.7/3.3/0.8/1.0 on .525/.250/.811
Rasheed: 12.0/7.0/1.7/0.8/2.0 on .415/.308/.833






So the first series KG was clearly outmatched team wise, probably explaining his awful efficiency. Still averaged close to a triple double, and it's not like Rasheed's stats that series are impressive, especially since played 42.3 MPG in that series.

In the second series, KG took a giant steaming shit on Rasheed.



There's no point in comparing their career stats and accolades, because we know KG destroys him there already.

Sheed held KG to 38% from the field when they were both in their primes? Holy sh*t thanks for proving my point.

You want to use Sheed's numbers when he played in New York and compare them to Garnett's as well?

[RRR3]

Sheed held KG to 38% from the field when they were both in their primes? Holy sh*t thanks for proving my point.

You want to use Sheed's numbers when he played in New York and compare them to Garnett's as well?

1. You're assuming KG shot 38% against Rasheed only. You know that's unlikely.

2. It took Rasheed over 42 minutes to put up 13/6, that isn't shit.

3. Yeah, KG shot like shit but he had a better statline still. I'm assuming he received FAR more defensive attention, which would explain the efficiency gap.

[RoseCity07]

Im tired of the no help excuse. If you legitimately want to win then get the **** out of your shitty franchise if you notice there is no direction

Rasheed had a way better career than Garnett and the proof is in his regular season sucess and playoff sucess

Garnett was stuck in the lottery for most of his career


Exactly. The numbers don't back me up but I thought it needed to be said. If you actually watched them both play Sheed was a talented mother****er. He was just a headcase. Almost JR Smith like but with way more talent.

I don't think the NBA has ever had a player quite like Rasheed Wallace. He was just an assh*le that didn't want to work hard and he didn't like being a star. He hated going to all-star games.

[RoseCity07]

1. You're assuming KG shot 38% against Rasheed only. You know that's unlikely.

2. It took Rasheed over 42 minutes to put up 13/6, that isn't shit.

3. Yeah, KG shot like shit but he had a better statline still. I'm assuming he received FAR more defensive attention, which would explain the efficiency gap.


I'd be interested in seeing their all-time record in the regular season. POR VS MIN stats only.

I haven't checked it either. And the Wolves weren't trash. They had some good teams. They played the Lakers tough in I think the 04 playoffs.

[RRR3]

I'd be interested in seeing their all-time record in the regular season. POR VS MIN stats only.

I haven't checked it either. And the Wolves weren't trash. They had some good teams. They played the Lakers tough in I think the 04 playoffs.
You don't want to see their head to head lol

[Smoke117]

Sheed was better than anyone else in the post besides Shaq 2000 to now...his post up game was pretty much unstoppable...the problem? He didn't have the drive or desire to the best and be the man...he could have been so much more. He easily had the talent and skill to average 25ppg for a good 10 years.

[stalkerforlife]

Sheed was better than anyone else in the post besides Shaq 2000 to now...his post up game was pretty much unstoppable...the problem? He didn't have the drive or desire to the best and be the man...he could have been so much more. He easily had the talent and skill to average 25ppg for a good 10 years.

That's a load of shit and the same cliche used for Sheed his entire career.

FACT is, he didn't have a big repertoire in the post; the ONLY thing he had was the great ability to release the ball at an extremely high level. He RARELY utilized anything other than his turn around high release shot because he LACKED a big time array of moves.

He was never even close to being a superstar.

[iamgine]

Is OP trolling or is this his true opinion?

Discuss!

[tpols]

That's a load of shit and the same cliche used for Sheed his entire career.

FACT is, he didn't have a big repertoire in the post; the ONLY thing he had was the great ability to release the ball at an extremely high level. He RARELY utilized anything other than his turn around high release shot because he LACKED a big time array of moves.

He was never even close to being a superstar.

:applause:

sheed didnt have the energy or will to go at somebody over and over on the block ... he had everything else, but he didnt have that.

[Smoke117]

That's a load of shit and the same cliche used for Sheed his entire career.

FACT is, he didn't have a big repertoire in the post; the ONLY thing he had was the great ability to release the ball at an extremely high level. He RARELY utilized anything other than his turn around high release shot because he LACKED a big time array of moves.

He was never even close to being a superstar.

He had a lot more moves actually...he just stopped going to them as time went by. Watch him in 2000, 2001, 2002...he had everything. The most underrated aspect of his post game was his ability to put it on the floor...he was good, but he stopped doing it as more and more time went by. Either way, he had the perfect compliment of skill, talent, length, and athleticism to dominate...just not the mentality. The fact of the matter is a lot of guys have done more with less...like Antoine Walker...what could Sheed have done with his mentality?

This is also a startlingly competent post by you...make more posts like this and less obsessive posts about Lebron.

[tpols]

He had a lot more moves actually...he just stopped going to them as time went by. Watch him in 2000, 2001, 2002...he had everything. The most underrated aspect of his post game was his ability to put it on the floor...he was good, but he stopped doing it as more and more time went by. Either way, he had the perfect compliment of skill, talent, length, and athleticism to dominate...just not the mentality. The fact of the matter is a lot of guys have done more with less...like Antoine Walker...what could Sheed have done with his mentality?

what kinda stuff is this ? twon was launching 4 pointers.. that takes no effort.. you can have attacking mentality but you need energy to sustain the assault. geez smoke.. whats up bro.

[Smoke117]

what kinda dumbass shit is this ? twon was launching 4 pointers.. that takes no effort.. you can have attacking mentality but you need energy to sustain the assault. geez smoke.. whats up bro.

My point is, anyone can score, Sheed actually had the skill set to do it at a high clip with good efficiency. Look at Garnett...all he really had was his his turn around and he did pretty good...and Sheeds was better and more consistent. Plus...you don't really need a big repertoire of moves when your best one is pretty much unstoppable.

[tpols]

My point is, anyone can score, Sheed actually had the skill set to do it at a high clip with good efficiency. Look at Garnett...all he really had was his his turn around and he did pretty good...and Sheeds was better and more consistent. Plus...you don't really need a big repertoire of moves when your best one is pretty much unstoppable.

they were both better off focusin on all around game (which they pretty much did), because neither could truly take over. they shouldve asked their cousin dirk for tips.

[Joshumitsu]

Rasheed is like Aldridge.

They both have the talent and skillset to become the GOAT PF but are missing something mentally. Of course, Sheed is better defensively while Aldridge is better w/ offense.

[Bigsmoke]

Wallace was like the 4th best player on that Pistons team but KGs championship accomplishment wasnt any special because he was on the stacked team?

The Celtics was known for defense and who anchored that legendary defense?


The Pistons were in the Eastern Conference Finals the year before requiring Rasheed Wallace:oldlol:

[Bigsmoke]

Sheed was better than anyone else in the post besides Shaq 2000 to now...his post up game was pretty much unstoppable...the problem? He didn't have the drive or desire to the best and be the man...he could have been so much more. He easily had the talent and skill to average 25ppg for a good 10 years.

Duncan and Webber weren't in the league or something?.

[Smoke117]

Duncan and Webber weren't in the league or something?.

Neither of them were that great in the post...especially Webber. He had that ugly ass hook shot and that was about it. He mostly wanted to take that horrible jump shot. He's a good guy to bring up though...that's the kind of selfishness Sheed needed, but never had.

[fourkicks44]

Dunno about all that, but I love KG. He is one of the greats of the game.

However he is massively overrated on this forum.

Real talk.

[Bigsmoke]

Neither of them were that great in the post...especially Webber. He had that ugly ass hook shot and that was about it. He mostly wanted to take that horrible jump shot. He's a good guy to bring up though...that's the kind of selfishness Sheed needed, but never had.

Ouside of McHale and Hakeem, Webber had the best footwork ever by a bigman:wtf:

U basically broke down Rasheed's game with the horrible shots assumption

[Smoke117]

Ouside of McHale and Hakeem, Webber had the best footwork ever by a bigman:wtf:

U basically broke down Rasheed's game with the horrible shots assumption

I don't even know what to say to that. I always liked Webbers versatility with his passing and he was a great offensive rebounder...but the guy should have never been taking as many shots as he did. If you are trying to compare his footwork to those two in the post...that's just ridiculous. He just really didn't have much in the post besides that ugly hook shot. He was always more of a face up player and a high volume scorer. He was a pretty good ball handler for his size I'll give him that.

[kentatm]

You could reasonably argue Rasheed had more talent. But in terms of consistency and dependability, KG is so far ahead of him that it doesn't allow any legitimate consideration of taking Rasheed over KG for a team.

this right here

if Sheed had just worked hard enough he could have been one of the GOATs but for whatever reason it seemed like he was content to coast off his talent.

[Kblaze8855]

Ouside of McHale and Hakeem, Webber had the best footwork ever by a bigman

I liked Webber but....cmon.

[Prime_Shaq]

I love Sheed but wtf

[aj1987]

Im tired of the no help excuse. If you legitimately want to win then get the **** out of your shitty franchise if you notice there is no direction

Rasheed had a way better career than Garnett and the proof is in his regular season sucess and playoff sucess

Garnett was stuck in the lottery for most of his career
:oldlol:

Don't you hate LeBron for doing the exact same thing?

[ArbitraryWater]

They are actually quite alike, they had all the talent, but just not the takeover mentality of say a Dirk..

They resented being the man. Humans are wired differently.

[Prime_Shaq]

They are actually quite alike, they had all the talent, but just not the takeover mentality of say a Dirk..

They resented being the man. Humans are wired differently.
Tbh Sheed just didn't look interested in basketball at times.

[WillC]

While browsing Rasheed Wallace's basketball-reference page, I noticed that it is sponsored by Russ Bengston (former Slam editor). That's pretty cool.

[CuterThanRubio]

Rasheed Wallace's best individual season was 00-01 where he averaged 19.2 and 7.8, he matched up against Kevin Garnett 4 times.

Here are their respective averages over the course of those four games-

Rasheed: 12.5 PTS 7.7 REB 3 AST

Garnett: 18.2 PTS 13 REB 6 AST

This topic is not worthy of further research but I'm inclined to believe that I would find similar statistics for the majority, if not all of their head to head contests.

Wallace was an underachieving piece of TRASH outside of 2-3 seasons, while Garnett was carrying some of the worst surrounding casts on a consistent basis and easily dominated when he was on a good team, nice try!

[ZMonkey11]

Life long Pistons fan here.

OP is an idiot.

[BarberSchool]

Sheed for sure had more talent. But he didn't maximize it.

[CJ Mustard]

OP should probably kill himself. Dude is an unfunny, uninteresting, uninformed troll. Really has no business talking about basketball.

[Wally450]

Facts.

He always got the better of Garnett in the playoffs.

He carried Portland within a quarter of the NBA Finals when they played a prime Shaq and Kobe team.

When he got traded to Detroit he was the piece that put them over the top.



Kevin Garnett on the other hand was a career loser on the T'Wolves. They had 1 great year in the playoffs vs the Lakers where they lost.

KG joined a super team and still only won a single championship. He was probably the weakest link of the big 3.

Agree or Disagree?

:facepalm

[Smoke117]

Facts.

He always got the better of Garnett in the playoffs.

He carried Portland within a quarter of the NBA Finals when they played a prime Shaq and Kobe team.

When he got traded to Detroit he was the piece that put them over the top.



Kevin Garnett on the other hand was a career loser on the T'Wolves. They had 1 great year in the playoffs vs the Lakers where they lost.

KG joined a super team and still only won a single championship. He was probably the weakest link of the big 3.

Agree or Disagree?

I never even noticed this stupidity earlier...KG was easily the most important and impactful player of the Celtics 2008 championship. He doesn't go down and they win back 2 back for sure...that 2009 team was better than the 2008 team before he hurt his knee.

[Smoke117]

Also...a lot of people are getting on KG for playing poorly against Sheed...well he was the best post defender in the league for years...Sheed that is. He was an incredibly tough player to get the best of in the post unless you were Shaq and three times bigger. Ironically, I remember in 2008 that KG killed him though...just wouldn't miss...one of those series where that on or off turn around just couldn't miss.

[JohnnySic]

They are actually quite alike, they had all the talent, but just not the takeover mentality of say a Dirk..

They resented being the man. Humans are wired differently.
KG > Dirk.

Dirk's title was 5 years ago. He's at the end. Its safe to stop overrating him now.

[PistonsFan#21]

Big time Sheed fan as i have him in my top 3 favorite Pistons players ever but KG is definitely the better player

[ArbitraryWater]

KG > Dirk.

Dirk's title was 5 years ago. He's at the end. Its safe to stop overrating him now.

dafuq

[Real Men Wear Green]

Eh. Even Mother Theresa has critics. (https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/sep/02/mother-teresa-saint-criticism-miracles-missionaries-abortion-suffering-canonisation) So I guess it is to be expected that some people could have some insane basketball opinions.

[brownmamba00]

KG > Dirk.



feel the same way

[RoseCity07]

KG > Dirk.

Dirk's title was 5 years ago. He's at the end. Its safe to stop overrating him now.

****ing lol. No.


Dirk and Dwyane Wade had two of the most dominant playoff performances I have ever seen. Garnett could never do what Dirk did when the Mavs won it all.

[G-train]

Wallace is overrated.
All that matters is what you actually produce.

[JohnnySic]

****ing lol. No.


Dirk and Dwyane Wade had two of the most dominant playoff performances I have ever seen. Garnett could never do what Dirk did when the Mavs won it all.
Yeah Dirk was amazing that one year. Still, not better than KG overall. KG was an infinitely better defender, better rebounder, better passer, better in the post, better going to the hoop, better at pretty much everything except range shooting.

One playoff run doesn't define a career. Let's not forget the '07 meltdown after winning a bogus mvp, lol.

Malone, Barkley > Dirk as well.

[ralph_i_el]

Yeah Dirk was amazing that one year. Still, not better than KG overall. KG was an infinitely better defender, better rebounder, better passer, better in the post, better going to the hoop, better at pretty much everything except range shooting.

One playoff run doesn't define a career. Let's not forget the '07 meltdown after winning a bogus mvp, lol.

Malone, Barkley > Dirk as well.


IDK, from where I stand Dirk was clearly better in the post and as a scorer. KG was a great passer, but watching prime Dirk, you'll know that he rarely ever made a bad pass or missed an open man. Dirk was just more of a play finisher rather than offensive creator (when compared to KG).

KG and Dirk are interchangeable to me in terms of all-time ranking. Have to give Duncan the edge over both of them in terms of careers, but all-3 guys had similar levels of impact in their primes.

[Annyong!]

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Perfect :oldlol:

[Cap'n Obvious]

The OP is wrong.

[bizil]

LMAO!!! No way was Sheed better than KG. KG was the most versatile 7 footer of all time. Who parlayed that into peak seasons of 24 points, 13-14 boards, and 5-6 dimes a night. Capable of defending big swingmen to center AND having point forward skills on top of it. And OH YEAH, KG was a freakish athlete on top of all this.

In terms of skill level, Sheed was a beast. BUT he never took that next step into being a dominant player. He wasn't a dominant scorer, passer, or rebounder. He was a great post defender and had one of the best inside-outside scoring skillsets of any PF ever though.

So those are hallmarks of Sheed basically, a great post defender AND a great inside-outside scoring skillset. But to Sheed's defense, he played on some deep ass teams during his career. On those Portland teams, there was no need for him to score 25 points a night. BUT on Detroit, I think a more aggressive Sheed could have gotten them another ring or two. Those teams wasn't nearly as deep as the Blazers scoring wise. So they could have used Sheed scoring in that 23-25 point range minimum.

[Jasper]

Facts.

He always got the better of Garnett in the playoffs.

He carried Portland within a quarter of the NBA Finals when they played a prime Shaq and Kobe team.

When he got traded to Detroit he was the piece that put them over the top.



Kevin Garnett on the other hand was a career loser on the T'Wolves. They had 1 great year in the playoffs vs the Lakers where they lost.

KG joined a super team and still only won a single championship. He was probably the weakest link of the big 3.

Agree or Disagree?

doesn't mean Sheed was better , KD carried a team of nobodies for a decade, right out of HIGH SCHOOL.

[bigkingsfan]

doesn't mean Sheed was better , KD carried a team of nobodies for a decade, right out of HIGH SCHOOL.
Except he didn't carry them right away.

[Milbuck]

:oldlol:

Nah

[Annyong!]

Yeah Dirk was amazing that one year. Still, not better than KG overall. KG was an infinitely better defender, better rebounder, better passer, better in the post, better going to the hoop, better at pretty much everything except range shooting.

One playoff run doesn't define a career. Let's not forget the '07 meltdown after winning a bogus mvp, lol.

Malone, Barkley > Dirk as well.
Garnett was better at getting to the post, but once in the post, Dirk was better. Dirk was better close, mid-range, and from 3. His scoring ability also made it easier for his teammates. It is also funny to act like Dirk only had 1 good year. He had 1 season as MVP with a very unfortunate first round, 1 season where he took his team to the Finals but the refs helped Wade take over, and 1 season in which he dominated against a stacked Heat team that won the next 2 years. He then had multiple years of deep playoff runs against a stacked West and just couldn't make the Finals. KG on the other hand, had 1 season as an MVP with a deep playoff run in the West, and then a bunch of years as a stat producer but many first round exits. Like Dirk, KG made 2 Finals trips and 1 championship, but KG had to team up with a super team to get there and had a pretty easy path to each Finals with the Cavs being the only real threat multiple years and 1 year with the Magic as a threat. People like to complain the KG didn't have a great roster around him, but Dirk never had a roster as good as KG's Celtics and was still able to do as much as him despite spending his entire career in the West.

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[insidehoops]

Garnett

[fourkicks44]

[QUOTE=insidehoops]Garnett

[veilside23]

Yeah, those are impressive statistics and respect due, however he has been playing for a hell of a long time.

Think about this, KG played when Magic Johnson was still in the NBA.

its not like it was an easy thing to do. it has been in wiki for quite sometime already.

because of this

Only player in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 10 rebounds and 5 assists per game for 6 consecutive seasons (1999

[Smoke117]

[QUOTE=insidehoops]Garnett