The Lavine Situation

[BigKAT]

I'm not sold on the guy.
I mean, I'm damn sure this kid is a baller.

But I'm not sure if he's going to fit with our starting five.
Maybe as an off the bench weapon, he could do wonders. And maybe close out games...

But I think there's not enough ball for KAT, Wiggins, Lavine-- And now potentially dunn to really be effective on offense.

Do you guys think Lavine could thrive as a 6th man kind of guy?

[juju151111]

I'm not sold on the guy.
I mean, I'm damn sure this kid is a baller.

But I'm not sure if he's going to fit with our starting five.
Maybe as an off the bench weapon, he could do wonders. And maybe close out games...

But I think there's not enough ball for KAT, Wiggins, Lavine-- And now potentially dunn to really be effective on offense.

Do you guys think Lavine could thrive as a 6th man kind of guy?
He can fit has a 3rd scorer. Idk what your refering to actually. He played pretty for a 20 year old last season and that was out of position for half the season.

[WolfGang]

I think Zach will prove to be better than Dunn and Wiggins. Dude is a freak.

[Annyong!]

LaVine is better than Wiggins.

[BigKAT]

LaVine is better than Wiggins.

I disagree.

But it's -way- too early to be sure 100%.
I think season 4 is when we'll know for sure.
But to get them both, that's just awesome.

I just think it might be in our best interests if we have a lethal bench scorer, rather then pack all our offense into the starting 5.

[raprap]

He can score but his defense is horrible. He's still young tho. If he's willing to play off the bench that would be great for the Wolves.

[CuterThanRubio]

LaVine is a beast, please don't forget the capital V, if you are going to be running with a fake Wolves fan alt you gotta come correct, playa!

Who said he had to be a starter to be effective?

You clearly aren't watching the games if you don't think he has talent, Thibs will organize the rotations during camp/preseason, it would not be wise to finalize your conclusions based on Sam Mitchell's amateur game plan during a tumultuous campaign.

He has been playing PG on and off, he is willing to share the ball, I do think a 6th man role where he can freely jack shots and find rhythm could be a better idea but we will have to wait and see.

[BigKAT]

LaVine is a beast, please don't forget the capital V, if you are going to be running with a fake Wolves fan alt you gotta come correct, playa!

Who said he had to be a starter to be effective?

You clearly aren't watching the games if you don't think he has talent, Thibs will organize the rotations during camp/preseason, it would not be wise to finalize your conclusions based on Sam Mitchell's amateur game plan during a tumultuous campaign.

He has been playing PG on and off, he is willing to share the ball, I do think a 6th man role where he can freely jack shots and find rhythm could be a better idea but we will have to wait and see.

I agree that it seemed as though he was being forced into a role he wasn't comfortble in.

Honest to god? I didn't watch all the Games.
Not even half.
Maybe a 5th.

Why?
I'm not American, not from the USA. Timezones are difficult for me, and I try to watch when I can. And they only show some games on my country. The nationally televised ones on your country.

I usually watch Sunday Basketball, and I try not to miss any playoff game, when I can. From what I've seen, Lavine shoots alot while he is on the court. Usually he's pretty good. I've seen a game where he gets his 20 points in 10-15 minutes. That's why I recommended the bench role.

I'll ignore the Alt/fake/accusation things because I don't know how to prove it otherwise.

But thank you for contributing to the discussion, cheap shots aside.

[CuterThanRubio]

I agree that it seemed as though he was being forced into a role he wasn't comfortble in.

Honest to god? I didn't watch all the Games.
Not even half.
Maybe a 5th.

Why?
I'm not American, not from the USA. Timezones are difficult for me, and I try to watch when I can. And they only show some games on my country. The nationally televised ones on your country.

I usually watch Sunday Basketball, and I try not to miss any playoff game, when I can. From what I've seen, Lavine shoots alot while he is on the court. Usually he's pretty good. I've seen a game where he gets his 20 points in 10-15 minutes. That's why I recommended the bench role.

I'll ignore the Alt/fake/accusation things because I don't know how to prove it otherwise.

But thank you for contributing to the discussion, cheap shots aside.

You have to look deeper, the organization was not pushing the coaching staff to try and win, they were developing players and tanking for a draft pick. I doubt LaVine will be chucking recklessly once he is assigned to a consistent role, he has the tools to become an above average contributor as a starter or bench player.

You knew I was bound to strike eventually, welcome aboard if you are legit, but I'm 'Sota born and raised so I'm taking it upon myself to snipe fakes off the bandwagon, its going to get crazy once they start doing well, I'm ready!

[BigKAT]

You have to look deeper, the organization was not pushing the coaching staff to try and win, they were developing players and tanking for a draft pick. I doubt LaVine will be chucking recklessly once he is assigned to a consistent role, he has the tools to become an above average contributor as a starter or bench player.

You knew I was bound to strike eventually, welcome aboard if you are legit, but I'm 'Sota born and raised so I'm taking it upon myself to snipe fakes off the bandwagon, its going to get crazy once they start doing well, I'm ready!

Well, either way, I hope he pans out.
And let me be the ruthless one here and say, worst case scenario?
We got nice trade assets in Dunn/Lavine if they don't work out.
I think that our CORE is KAT right now, and then Wiggins.

Anyhow, thanks mate.
Why is our forum so barren? I tried seeing if anyone posted there, didn't get a response lmao.

I'm not from Minny. They just happened to be the first NBA game I watched live. (I think it was the 2012 season.) They won that game, and I decided to stay loyal to them despite finding out online that they weren't doing that well.

[JohnMax]

I'm not American, not from the USA. Timezones are difficult for me, and I try to watch when I can.

There is a website that uploads full games the next day. Google: Watch NBA Replays,Playoffs, Final Full in HD Game

[BigKAT]

There is a website that uploads full games the next day. Google: Watch NBA Replays,Playoffs, Final Full in HD Game


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[CuterThanRubio]

Well, either way, I hope he pans out.
And let me be the ruthless one here and say, worst case scenario?
We got nice trade assets in Dunn/Lavine if they don't work out.
I think that our CORE is KAT right now, and then Wiggins.

Anyhow, thanks mate.
Why is our forum so barren? I tried seeing if anyone posted there, didn't get a response lmao.

I'm not from Minny. They just happened to be the first NBA game I watched live. (I think it was the 2012 season.) They won that game, and I decided to stay loyal to them despite finding out online that they weren't doing that well.

Lol, I wouldn't expect much action here during the offseason, a lot of LeBron haters were planning on taking control of the board but they got demoralized and had to disappear, and the majority of the crazy pro-LeBron accounts are just a couple of people, if not only one, trolling with alts.

Obviously KAT is the centerpiece but I'm thinking the build of the team will resemble Duncan's Spurs, Wiggins is a lock to remain a member of the new big 3 so it will come down to Dunn or LaVine to flesh out the core, I'll be happy with whatever works but I think LaVine has more potential than anyone other than KAT.

+Being from the home state of a team is certainly not a requirement to be a fan, but the Wolves have been garbage for so long it seems awfully strange to see fanboys appearing that aren't from the area, but I can respect you for jumping on before the rise!



:rockon:

[retaxis]

Lavine is a shooting guard who can not shoot...If KAT and Wiggins are to explode into all-star superstar levels..They need the room to operate and Lavine is a poor shooter. Unfortunately freak athletes often are poor shooters...Lebron/Westbrook/Rose etc

Maybe Wolves should cash him in for a solid vet 3andD player to help wiggins and Kat really expand their games to the next level. I always thought a younger Kevin Martin would have worked well with this team but unfortunately his 2 dribble crossover is only crossing himself over these days.

[BigKAT]

Lol, I wouldn't expect much action here during the offseason, a lot of LeBron haters were planning on taking control of the board but they got demoralized and had to disappear, and the majority of the crazy pro-LeBron accounts are just a couple of people, if not only one, trolling with alts.

Obviously KAT is the centerpiece but I'm thinking the build of the team will resemble Duncan's Spurs, Wiggins is a lock to remain a member of the new big 3 so it will come down to Dunn or LaVine to flesh out the core, I'll be happy with whatever works but I think LaVine has more potential than anyone other than KAT.

+Being from the home state of a team is certainly not a requirement to be a fan, but the Wolves have been garbage for so long it seems awfully strange to see fanboys appearing that aren't from the area, but I can respect you for jumping on before the rise!



:rockon:

:cheers: Hopefully we'll bump this thread in 7 years to prove that we were here before the 3peat? eh?
Who am I kidding. Give me a WCF and I'm going to go nuts.

But yeah, lots of things can happen.
I'm really, really excited about Thibs. I think he can really help their growth into good players. LaVine is athletic as hell, if he learns how to use his body properly on D, I expect alot of chasedown blocks and maybe even lockdown moments from him and Wigs.

[juju151111]

Lavine is a shooting guard who can not shoot...If KAT and Wiggins are to explode into all-star superstar levels..They need the room to operate and Lavine is a poor shooter. Unfortunately freak athletes often are poor shooters...Lebron/Westbrook/Rose etc

Maybe Wolves should cash him in for a solid vet 3andD player to help wiggins and Kat really expand their games to the next level. I always thought a younger Kevin Martin would have worked well with this team but unfortunately his 2 dribble crossover is only crossing himself over these days.
Lavine isn't a poor shooter

[retaxis]

Lavine isn't a poor shooter
People let him shoot wide open and he still can't shoot. He is like Austin Rivers on the perimeter. He is only going to slow down the development process of kat and wiggins.

Like I said, Athletic freaks like Griffin, Bron, Rose, Westbrook etc just don't have the fine motor skills and soft touch to let it fly the way real shooters do.

[Thunderfan86]

Man, I can't wait until the season starts. I'm going to enjoy watching all the new story lines play out. :rockon:

[BigKAT]

Man, I can't wait until the season starts. I'm going to enjoy watching all the new story lines play out. :rockon:

Just a little bit more.

[handbanana]

People let him shoot wide open and he still can't shoot. He is like Austin Rivers on the perimeter. He is only going to slow down the development process of kat and wiggins.

Like I said, Athletic freaks like Griffin, Bron, Rose, Westbrook etc just don't have the fine motor skills and soft touch to let it fly the way real shooters do.

LaVine's numbers after ASB last season:
Games played: 28 (decent sample size)
mpg: 35.0 (again, lots of minutes makes a better sample size)
3p%: .437 (!! great percentage on 5.4 attempts)
fg%: .480 (on 12.8 attempts)

all that for someone who just turned 21 at that time. sounds like a great shooter to me, with a lot potential to become even better.

[raprap]

Lavine is a shooting guard who can not shoot...


:biggums:

[Milbuck]

Lavine is a shooting guard who can not shoot...If KAT and Wiggins are to explode into all-star superstar levels..They need the room to operate and Lavine is a poor shooter. Unfortunately freak athletes often are poor shooters...Lebron/Westbrook/Rose etc

Maybe Wolves should cash him in for a solid vet 3andD player to help wiggins and Kat really expand their games to the next level. I always thought a younger Kevin Martin would have worked well with this team but unfortunately his 2 dribble crossover is only crossing himself over these days.
I'm not sure you know who Lavine is. Shooting is one of the strongest parts of his game. Dude shot 39% from 3 on almost 4 attempts a game, and when he got more minutes after the ASB he shot 44% from 3 on 5.4 attempts a game. Criticizing his shooting makes zero sense at all.

[CuterThanRubio]

LaVine's numbers after ASB last season:
Games played: 28 (decent sample size)
mpg: 35.0 (again, lots of minutes makes a better sample size)
3p%: .437 (!! great percentage on 5.4 attempts)
fg%: .480 (on 12.8 attempts)

all that for someone who just turned 21 at that time. sounds like a great shooter to me, with a lot potential to become even better.

:applause:

I can only assume that people making negative statements towards Zach are not paying enough attention to properly assess the situation in the first place, he ended the season on a very positive note and has been working hard over the summer, he can only improve.

He is a fearless shot maker and can rise above anyone from anywhere and connect, defense is his main flaw, not shooting and scoring.

[BigKAT]

:applause:

I can only assume that people making negative statements towards Zach are not paying enough attention to properly assess the situation in the first place, he ended the season on a very positive note and has been working hard over the summer, he can only improve.

He is a fearless shot maker and can rise above anyone from anywhere and connect, defense is his main flaw, not shooting and scoring.

Well. How many players are bad defenders in their 2nd season only to turn out pretty good later on?

I'm staying hopeful.

Also, my only qualm with Zach is that I think he may take too many shots to be effective with the starting five.
I think he might be most deadly if put from the bench and in the closing minutes of games. A Ginobili/OKC Harden

[retaxis]

LaVine's numbers after ASB last season:
Games played: 28 (decent sample size)
mpg: 35.0 (again, lots of minutes makes a better sample size)
3p%: .437 (!! great percentage on 5.4 attempts)
fg%: .480 (on 12.8 attempts)

all that for someone who just turned 21 at that time. sounds like a great shooter to me, with a lot potential to become even better.
Shooting high percent when your losing so much shows the other team doesn't even care because they already won. Plus the looks Lavine got in a losing season is not the same looks he will get in a winning season. When your down 15 the other team just softens up a bit because they know they have you all figured out.

I hope I am proven wrong but let's wait and see. Defence isn't the same when your in a very tight game compared to being blown out.

P.S after ASB its a competition of who can lose harder for lottery teams. Typically a lottery team will still play well against say Spurs because they know they are unlikely to beat them even if they try but if they are told "Hey you have to lose to the Wolves tonight to keep tanking, Give them wiiiiddddeeee open looks all night" Then that hardly describes a real picture of what is happening.

[Sportal]

You have to look deeper, the organization was not pushing the coaching staff to try and win, they were developing players and tanking for a draft pick. I doubt LaVine will be chucking recklessly once he is assigned to a consistent role, he has the tools to become an above average contributor as a starter or bench player.

You knew I was bound to strike eventually, welcome aboard if you are legit, but I'm 'Sota born and raised so I'm taking it upon myself to snipe fakes off the bandwagon, its going to get crazy once they start doing well, I'm ready!

FireDavidKahn said I'm allowed to be on the wagon, as long as it's before pre-season.

So, we good?

[BigKAT]

FireDavidKahn said I'm allowed to be on the wagon, as long as it's before pre-season.

So, we good?

I don't have any authority.
Heck, I don't know who does around here.

The Team's forum is as barren as the Hawks attendence in the regular season.

As far as I'm concerned you're welcome in.

[Lebron23]

Yeah, He's a pretty good player. It sucks that the Wolves still have a rookie in Kris Dunn.

We might see his full potential until he gots traded to another team.

[juju151111]

Shooting high percent when your losing so much shows the other team doesn't even care because they already won. Plus the looks Lavine got in a losing season is not the same looks he will get in a winning season. When your down 15 the other team just softens up a bit because they know they have you all figured out.

I hope I am proven wrong but let's wait and see. Defence isn't the same when your in a very tight game compared to being blown out.

P.S after ASB its a competition of who can lose harder for lottery teams. Typically a lottery team will still play well against say Spurs because they know they are unlikely to beat them even if they try but if they are told "Hey you have to lose to the Wolves tonight to keep tanking, Give them wiiiiddddeeee open looks all night" Then that hardly describes a real picture of what is happening.
Im sorry but you male no damn sense. First he cant shoot at all know defense lets him shoot 43% from 3. Are you stupid? He shot 39% before all star break. Noting you say adds up.

[Lebron23]

Im sorry but you male no damn sense. First he cant shoot at all know defense lets him shoot 43% from 3. Are you stupid? He shot 39% before all star break. Noting you say adds up.


I was checking your profile. Cannot believe that you are older than me by a year.

It's nice to see that some of the posters here are in my age range. Started to posts here in my late teens and early 20's.

[swagga]

the problem with lavine is that he is dumb and lacks craftiness, pace control, adaptability .. he looks like a great athlete with decent shooting mechanics playing basketball not like a floor general or like a good sg.

[juju151111]

the problem with lavine is that he is dumb and lacks craftiness, pace control, adaptability .. he looks like a great athlete with decent shooting mechanics playing basketball not like a floor general or like a good sg.
He barely played SG last year and when he was moved to SG his numbers were better across the board. He was playing out of position

[bdreason]

I think Thibodeau is gonna do wonders for Lavine. He'll hold him accountable on defense, and improve his decision making on offense. I think Lavine will perform better off the bench, playing 30ish minutes, where he can get more offensive looks. Dunn + Lavine + Shabbazz would be a nice backcourt bench unit. Maybe start Rush for the first 4-6 minutes to give the starting unit more spacing.