Skip Bayless back hating on Lebron in his new show on FOX

[D-Wait]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWwGbrxJMEc

Man, I missed this guy... Cavs fan and all, but I always liked Skip despite his hate on Lebron...
That show has a total FirstTake vibe to it haha, even the moderator looks like Molly from FT :lol

Best comment was from Shannon about Thompson dating Kardashian causing the Cavs to fail :lol

[Mr Feeny]

Do fox have an app which let's you download entire episodes on podcast like espn?

Thanks

[lilteapot]

Skip Bayless is an embarrassment of a journalist and it's pathetic that he has a job.

[bigkingsfan]

Finals was three months ago. Talk about something else.

[D-Wait]

Do fox have an app which let's you download entire episodes on podcast like espn?

Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ_yzIPtHHY

No App as far as I know...
But they uploaded this Podcast from yesterday's show on Youtube...
You could download it with "FreeYoutubeDownload" or "www.savefrom.net"

[Jasper]

Skip Bayless is an embarrassment of a journalist and it's pathetic that he has a job.
well done ...

[ImKobe]

Skip has a point

no way in hell would the Cavs won the series had Green played in Game 5. They barely won Game 7 with Thompson and Curry both playing like ass, add Green on top of Thompson's hot shooting night in Game 5 and Lebron is 2/7

[J Shuttlesworth]

Skip has a point

no way in hell would the Cavs won the series had Green played in Game 5.
People keep saying this but Draymond played games 3, 6, and 7 and wasn't that great outside of game 7. The Cavs won game 5 pretty comfortably and it's pretty doubtful Dray would be able to make up for that deficit. Curry wasn't showing up whether or not Dray was playing.

Pretty irrelevant anyway because Dray should keep his hands to himself instead of punching people. Nobody would show the Cavs sympathy if JR got suspended and cost them a series. Dray definitely doesn't deserve any sympathy after his track record of hitting people in the balls.

But blanket statements like "NO WAY the Cavs would have won game 5 with DG" are wasteful and useless.

[LostCause]

Smart move by Fox. Don't agree with Skip much but he's controversial so he gets attention, as this thread indicates

Sharpe seems better than Stephen A on the basis of actually being funny, though Stephen A's perspectives were interesting some times

[D-Wait]

Nobody would show the Cavs sympathy if JR got suspended and cost them a series. Dray definitely doesn't deserve any sympathy after his track record of hitting people in the balls.

This. JR would have been crucified and no pundits like Stephen A would have been against a suspension like in Draymond's case...

[Mr Feeny]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ_yzIPtHHY

No App as far as I know...
But they uploaded this Podcast from yesterday's show on Youtube...
You could download it with "FreeYoutubeDownload" or "www.savefrom.net"

Nice! Thanks.

Do they upload Colin's shows in full as well?

[ImKobe]

People keep saying this but Draymond played games 3, 6, and 7 and wasn't that great outside of game 7. The Cavs won game 5 pretty comfortably and it's pretty doubtful Dray would be able to make up for that deficit. Curry wasn't showing up whether or not Dray was playing.

Pretty irrelevant anyway because Dray should keep his hands to himself instead of punching people. Nobody would show the Cavs sympathy if JR got suspended and cost them a series. Dray definitely doesn't deserve any sympathy after his track record of hitting people in the balls.

But blanket statements like "NO WAY the Cavs would have won game 5 with DG" are wasteful and useless.

Game 5 was a close game that Irving took over in the 4th but it wouldn't have been close with the way Klay was shooting the 3

and leaving the Green suspension alone, you also have Iggy and Bogut both being injured for last 2 games of the series

either way the Cavs caught a break after Game 4 and the injuries on top of Curry playing like trash got them the W.

Lebron before Green suspension/injuries - 24.8 ppg 5.8 turnovers per game
Lebron after Green suspension/injuries - 36.3 ppg 2.7 turnovers per game

are you telling me the suspension and injuries played no part in their comeback? or Kyrie Irving averaging 30 ppg on 52/53/100 shooting in the last 3 games?

I have a problem with how ISH discredits everyone else but Lebron. Irving averages 27 ppg on 47/41/94 shooting which is better than some of Jordan's and Kobe's Finals (comparing their scoring) but we hear nothing of it, Warriors have injuries to Steph, Bogut and Iggy and Green gets suspended and all we hear is "Lebron beat a 73-9 "GOAT" team"


And lol at comparing JR to Green, Green is DPOY candidate who gets more triple doubles than Lebron himself, who drops 32-15-7 in a Game 7 of the Finals

[LostCause]

Does it matter, really?

The Warriors in 15 won the ring with the Cavs short 2 All-Star level players. Unless we're gonna say the last 2 championships don't count, we just have to accept the circumstances like the players do and look forward to the next championship series

[D-Wait]

I have a problem with how ISH discredits everyone else but Lebron. Irving averages 27 ppg on 47/41/94 shooting which is better than some of Jordan's and Kobe's Finals (comparing their scoring) but we hear nothing of it, Warriors have injuries to Steph, Bogut and Iggy and Green gets suspended and all we hear is "Lebron beat a 73-9 "GOAT" team"

I thought most people gave Kyrie a lot of credit, it just so happened that Lebron dominated all statistics...
but I don't find it laughable if someone saw Kyrie as the Finals MVP, he was epic to say the least


And lol at comparing JR to Green, Green is DPOY candidate who gets more triple doubles than Lebron himself, who drops 32-15-7 in a Game 7 of the Finals

J Shuttlesworth only made that comparison to show the double standard... if JR for example would have kicked Adams in the nuts, automatic suspension... Obviously Dahntay Jones was suspended, but Draymond got a pass... until he rightfully was suspended in the Finals... there can't be a difference between suspending a role player or an allstar

[J Shuttlesworth]

Game 5 was a close game that Irving took over in the 4th but it wouldn't have been close with the way Klay was shooting the 3

and leaving the Green suspension alone, you also have Iggy and Bogut both being injured for last 2 games of the series

either way the Cavs caught a break after Game 4 and the injuries on top of Curry playing like trash got them the W.

Lebron before Green suspension/injuries - 24.8 ppg 5.8 turnovers per game
Lebron after Green suspension/injuries - 36.3 ppg 2.7 turnovers per game

are you telling me the suspension and injuries played no part in their comeback? or Kyrie Irving averaging 30 ppg on 52/53/100 shooting in the last 3 games?

I have a problem with how ISH discredits everyone else but Lebron. Irving averages 27 ppg on 47/41/94 shooting which is better than some of Jordan's and Kobe's Finals (comparing their scoring) but we hear nothing of it, Warriors have injuries to Steph, Bogut and Iggy and Green gets suspended and all we hear is "Lebron beat a 73-9 "GOAT" team"


And lol at comparing JR to Green, Green is DPOY candidate who gets more triple doubles than Lebron himself, who drops 32-15-7 in a Game 7 of the Finals
Bro where was this level of excuse making last year when the Cavs you know... had stars injured for the entire series? You Kobe stans are absolutely pathetic not showing any sympathy for the Cavs having love/kyrie injured for an entire series, and shitting on LeBron w/ "2/6" stuff all year long... Then when the Warriors get a player SUSPENDED by their own doing (not injured) and then lose a 10 minutes per game player for a couple games, and Andre Igudoloa misses a half a game... you make all these excuses? The agenda is so ****ing pathetic.

[ImKobe]

Bro where was this level of excuse making last year when the Cavs you know... had stars injured for the entire series? You Kobe stans are absolutely pathetic not showing any sympathy for the Cavs having love/kyrie injured for an entire series, and shitting on LeBron w/ "2/6" stuff all year long... Then when the Warriors get a player SUSPENDED by their own doing (not injured) and then lose a 10 minutes per game player for a couple games, and Andre Igudoloa misses a half a game... you make all these excuses? The agenda is so ****ing pathetic.

But I thought Irving and Love weren't all-stars? Isn't that what "Cavs fans" were saying in these Playoffs?

The scuffle with Lebron was not worth a suspension, period. I said during the WCF that he should have been suspended, I was rooting for OKC - Cavs Finals.

Anyways, point is that Skip is right, there's no way Cavs even get to a Game 6 without the Green suspension. There's no way Irving and James combine for 80 points with Green on the floor with Bogut and Iggy healthy.

[J Shuttlesworth]

J Shuttlesworth only made that comparison to show the double standard... if JR for example would have kicked Adams in the nuts, automatic suspension... But Draymond got a pass... until he rightfully was suspended in the Finals
Well, yes, this was part of my point... but mostly the point was that suspensions aren't a legit excuse. Playing wrecklessly and kicking people in the nuts is something that should be punished regardless. It's not something out of your control like injury. It's a conscious decision Draymond made to play wreckless and cost his team the ability to play him in game 5.

[J Shuttlesworth]

But I thought Irving and Love weren't all-stars?
Kyrie was an all star 2015. Either way, it's a lot worse to have your 2nd and 3rd best player injured for an entire series opposed to a player getting suspended, a 10mpg player missing 2 games, and a bench player missing half a game.

[lilteapot]

Lebron dropped 33 on Green in Game 3.
He dropped 41 on Green in Game 6.
He dropped 27/11/10 in Game 7.

If you're gonna reply and say that Green didn't cover him for the most part, then it means that his suspension didn't really affect Lebron all that much.

[ImKobe]

Lebron dropped 33 on Green in Game 3.
He dropped 41 on Green in Game 6.
He dropped 27/11/10 in Game 7.

If you're gonna reply and say that Green didn't cover him for the most part, then it means that his suspension didn't really affect Lebron all that much.

Game 6 Iggy and Bogut are injured, it's not always Green defending lebron, obviously, but it limits his overall options to score as Bogut is there to protect the paint and Iggy is there to guard him in the post

Game 7 Lebron got outplayed by Green and they would have lost had Thompson and Curry been average

[K Xerxes]

But I thought Irving and Love weren't all-stars? Isn't that what "Cavs fans" were saying in these Playoffs?

The scuffle with Lebron was not worth a suspension, period. I said during the WCF that he should have been suspended, I was rooting for OKC - Cavs Finals.

Anyways, point is that Skip is right, there's no way Cavs even get to a Game 6 without the Green suspension. There's no way Irving and James combine for 80 points with Green on the floor with Bogut and Iggy healthy.

Useless speculation. They may or may not have won . Kobe may not have won in 02 if the games were ref'd fairly. He may not have won in 09 if Garnett was healthy in the season. Point is every player in history has these circumstances. The reality is that LeBron and co balled out of their minds to capture the chip and they deserve full credit for that. End of.

[K Xerxes]

Game 6 Iggy and Bogut are injured, it's not always Green defending lebron, obviously, but it limits his overall options to score as Bogut is there to protect the paint and Iggy is there to guard him in the post

Game 7 Lebron got outplayed by Green and they would have lost had Thompson and Curry been average

Bogut protected the rim for 12mpg in the finals, an entire quarter of the game. Now kobe stans are acting like he's the second coming of peak Olajuwon. Dat desperation :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Iggy was 'injured' for like 2 qrts, just like Kyrie was, yet both were out there playing

:biggums:

Warriors injuries: 12 mpg Bogut missing 2 gms

Lol?

[hold this L]

Skip is ludicrous with like 90% of his assessments, but one thing always comes to mind with him when he talks

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Are-You-Not-Entertained-Gladiator.gif

Hoping his new show puts the episodes on youtube the next day like FT does. :pimp:

[BedroomBully]

Skip has a point

no way in hell would the Cavs won the series had Green played in Game 5. They barely won Game 7 with Thompson and Curry both playing like ass, add Green on top of Thompson's hot shooting night in Game 5 and Lebron is 2/7
Could've, should've, would've. Man you Kibe tards are emotionally raped. I like how everyone brings up game 5, even though Warriors were the favorites to win that game. Also, they had two more games to make mends, and they came short. Just face it, they choked, Curry is overrated.

[BigKAT]

Useless speculation. They may or may not have won . Kobe may not have won in 02 if the games were ref'd fairly. He may not have won in 09 if Garnett was healthy in the season. Point is every player in history has these circumstances. The reality is that LeBron and co balled out of their minds to capture the chip and they deserve full credit for that. End of.


Best post in this thread.

There's W or L.
You could go on and on with spaculations, but it does not matter.
The same way GSW's ring from 15' counts, so does the Cavs.

We can only hope for a great 3rd Act this year. If it goes to 7 once more, we profit.

[J Shuttlesworth]

We can only hope for a great 3rd Act this year. If it goes to 7 once more, we profit.
Honestly, it's pretty hard to see this as Act 3 considering KD is on the team now. Just seems like a whole new book. It's not really LBJ vs. Curry anymore

[BigKAT]

Honestly, it's pretty hard to see this as Act 3 considering KD is on the team now. Just seems like a whole new book. It's not really LBJ vs. Curry anymore


To be honest my friend?

With the way Curry played in the finals?
And the way Draymond/Klay Stepped upt?

And Irving and everyone?

It never felt like LBJ Vs Curry.
To me it was always Cavs Vs GSW

[J Shuttlesworth]

To be honest my friend?

With the way Curry played in the finals?
And the way Draymond/Klay Stepped upt?

And Irving and everyone?

It never felt like LBJ Vs Curry.
To me it was always Cavs Vs GSW
True. It still felt like an MVP rivalry though between LBJ and Curry despite Curry's poor performance. It's definitely Cavs vs. GSW but I have a hard time seeing it as the third chapter because GSW is pretty much a revamped team w/ Durant

[BigKAT]

True. It still felt like an MVP rivalry though between LBJ and Curry despite Curry's poor performance. It's definitely Cavs vs. GSW but I have a hard time seeing it as the third chapter because GSW is pretty much a revamped team w/ Durant


Look, I'm not saying Durant isn't an upgrade.

But something tells me that the Cavs are more favored now.

I know, I know it sounds crazy.
But that's just my gut feeling.

Durant constantly loses to Lebron, almost like fire vs water.

[Real14]

Skip has a point

no way in hell would the Cavs won the series had Green played in Game 5. They barely won Game 7 with Thompson and Curry both playing like ass, add Green on top of Thompson's hot shooting night in Game 5 and Lebron is 2/7

Exactly! I will always respect Skip for keeping it REAL when it comes to bashing LeDawn.

[zeerghit]

Cavs, Lebron won, end of story.

[aj1987]

#1. 2016 Finals - The Shot:

The Spurs were pretty much about to close out the series and take the championship, but LeBron decided otherwise. Scored 16 points in the 4th Q on 7-10 shooting, without which that iconic Allen shot wouldn't have been possible. He also made a 3 prior to Allen's, which put them back in the game.

#2 Kyrie being more clutch than LeBron:

The Cavs were struggling and LeBron scored 11 points in the 4th Q. 8 straight points at one point and scored 6 straight after GSW were up 4 and with all the momentum. Dude absolutely killed their momentum and gave the Cavs a 2pt lead. He also has the game saving block on Iggy.

Irving in the 4th Q's of the Finals:

https://s22.postimg.org/wjpp7uq8x/Screen_Shot_2016_09_06_at_11_31_25_PM.png

LeBron in the 4th Q's of the Finals:

https://s10.postimg.io/ckzotdxft/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_53_42_AM.png

LeBron in the 4th Q's of the Finals (last 3 games):

https://s10.postimg.io/pdnstb91l/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_53_56_AM.png

LeBron in the 4th Q's of the Finals (last 2 games):

https://s10.postimg.io/wjfjvri4p/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_55_15_AM.png

Kyrie in the 4th Q's of the Finals (last 2 games):

https://s10.postimg.io/m83733qfd/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_54_46_AM.png

Dude scored 3/2/1 on 36% TS. He gets called the clutch god or whatever for making that one 3 when the game was tied. How the heck can you call LeBron a choker and Kyrie clutch AF, when it's not even close to being true.

That's what happens when you put someone, who has not idea about what they're talking, next to someone who has done their research.

[Mr Feeny]

Skip never changes:oldlol:

[RRR3]

#1. 2016 Finals - The Shot:

The Spurs were pretty much about to close out the series and take the championship, but LeBron decided otherwise. Scored 16 points in the 4th Q on 7-10 shooting, without which that iconic Allen shot wouldn't have been possible. He also made a 3 prior to Allen's, which put them back in the game.

#2 Kyrie being more clutch than LeBron:

The Cavs were struggling and LeBron scored 11 points in the 4th Q. 8 straight points at one point and scored 6 straight after GSW were up 4 and with all the momentum. Dude absolutely killed their momentum and gave the Cavs a 2pt lead. He also has the game saving block on Iggy.

Irving in the 4th Q's of the Finals:

https://s22.postimg.org/wjpp7uq8x/Screen_Shot_2016_09_06_at_11_31_25_PM.png

LeBron in the 4th Q's of the Finals:

https://s10.postimg.io/ckzotdxft/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_53_42_AM.png

LeBron in the 4th Q's of the Finals (last 3 games):

https://s10.postimg.io/pdnstb91l/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_53_56_AM.png

LeBron in the 4th Q's of the Finals (last 2 games):

https://s10.postimg.io/wjfjvri4p/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_55_15_AM.png

Kyrie in the 4th Q's of the Finals (last 2 games):

https://s10.postimg.io/m83733qfd/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_54_46_AM.png

Dude scored 3/2/1 on 36% TS. He gets called the clutch god or whatever for making that one 3 when the game was tied. How the heck can you call LeBron a choker and Kyrie clutch AF, when it's not even close to being true.

That's what happens when you put someone, who has not idea about what they're talking, next to someone who has done their research.
Jesus Christ, facts are such LeBron stans :cry:

[Nastradamus]

Skip has a point

no way in hell would the Cavs won the series had Green played in Game 5. They barely won Game 7 with Thompson and Curry both playing like ass, add Green on top of Thompson's hot shooting night in Game 5 and Lebron is 2/7

So Draymond's covering a 14 point difference? That's highly unlikely statistically.

[ImKobe]

Bogut protected the rim for 12mpg in the finals, an entire quarter of the game. Now kobe stans are acting like he's the second coming of peak Olajuwon. Dat desperation :oldlol:

even 12 minutes is a huge difference in a Game 7

Kerr actually threw out Ezeli in the 4th quarter and the nikka fouled Lebron on the 3pt shot and was completely lost on D

that alone can cost you a close game that was decided by Irving's 3-pointer.

The Cavs as a whole deserve all the credit in the world but y'all act like Lebron was any different than he's been the years past just because his team won. There's a lot that had to go his way for his team to come back from 1 - 3.

In Kobe's case he balled out in crucial games in 02, you can point to Game 6 but the refs didn't leave Horry wide open from the top of the key, the refs didn't make Peja airball a wide open corner 3 to win Game 7

KG was injured in 09 yes, but that wouldn't have made a difference, 09 Lakers were much better than the 08 team while the Celtics got older, Lakers lost in 6 games (should have gone 7) without two of their 5 best players, and you should have no doubts about it either after the Lakers beat them in 2010.

Just saying man, people give Lebron way too much credit for the 2016 Finals. His stats are inflated due to the injuries/suspension in the last 3 games, you look at his first 4 games with everyone healthy and he averaged 24.6 ppg, and it wasn't just his numbers that went up.

[ImKobe]

So Draymond's covering a 14 point difference? That's highly unlikely statistically.

It's not when you think about it

Draymond was the Warriors' best player in that series, if you look at how he produced in Game 7 @Oracle, what makes you think he wouldn't have been at least half as good in Game 5? He's a DPOY candidate who's a triple double machine, especially when he played at home

just in that series alone, 22/9/6 2.5 stls 52/50/100 shooting in the first 2 games at home

Game 7 32/15/7 2 stls 73% shooting

So yeah, he definitely could have been the difference in Game 5. It was a close game until the Cavs pulled away in the 2nd half, Thompson was beasting from 3, Green would have given them more cuts to the basket and obviously would have given them another body to throw at Lebron, Bogut wouldn't have been in late in the 4th to get injured as well


Just looking back at it, so many things had to go right for the Cavs

from Harrison barnes losing all his basketball ability to Stephen Curry playing like Kobe in his 20th season to the injuries to Bogut and Iggy to Green getting suspended

[GimmeThat]

I'd certainly be intrigued as to whether or not FDR was so good he could run with 3 different vice presidents or that it was the other way around

Even Jordan knows that Lebron wins next season with the same crew of Irving/Love and his very own legacy is being challenged.


it's true, I wasn't there when Jordan came back and did that second 3 peat and whatnot. But hey, this is a basketball forum after all

[keep-itreal]

Shannon is hilarious

when he raised his head @ 7:25

:roll: :roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWwGbrxJMEc

[Papaya Petee]

Game 5 was a close game that Irving took over in the 4th but it wouldn't have been close with the way Klay was shooting the 3

and leaving the Green suspension alone, you also have Iggy and Bogut both being injured for last 2 games of the series

either way the Cavs caught a break after Game 4 and the injuries on top of Curry playing like trash got them the W.

Lebron before Green suspension/injuries - 24.8 ppg 5.8 turnovers per game
Lebron after Green suspension/injuries - 36.3 ppg 2.7 turnovers per game

are you telling me the suspension and injuries played no part in their comeback? or Kyrie Irving averaging 30 ppg on 52/53/100 shooting in the last 3 games?

I have a problem with how ISH discredits everyone else but Lebron. Irving averages 27 ppg on 47/41/94 shooting which is better than some of Jordan's and Kobe's Finals (comparing their scoring) but we hear nothing of it, Warriors have injuries to Steph, Bogut and Iggy and Green gets suspended and all we hear is "Lebron beat a 73-9 "GOAT" team"


And lol at comparing JR to Green, Green is DPOY candidate who gets more triple doubles than Lebron himself, who drops 32-15-7 in a Game 7 of the Finals
:roll: :roll:
Aside from maybe the Magic series where Kobe shot something like 42% from the field what finals did he have that is better than Kyries this season?

[hold this L]

Shannon is hilarious

when he raised his head @ 7:25

:roll: :roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWwGbrxJMEc
Thanks for the link :pimp:

:cheers:

[aj1987]

even 12 minutes is a huge difference in a Game 7
Bogut played a TOTAL of 5 minutes in the 4th Q's in the Finals. In those 5 minutes, he had 2 rebounds, 3 fouls, and a TOV. Dude was a net negative for the Warriors.


In Kobe's case he balled out in crucial games in 02, you can point to Game 6 but the refs didn't leave Horry wide open from the top of the key, the refs didn't make Peja airball a wide open corner 3 to win Game 7
And LeBron didn't?



Just saying man, people give Lebron way too much credit for the 2016 Finals. His stats are inflated due to the injuries/suspension in the last 3 games, you look at his first 4 games with everyone healthy and he averaged 24.6 ppg, and it wasn't just his numbers that went up.
FOH, kid. Bogut was a net negative. LeBron shat on Green in the games he played. Iggy played G5 and was healthy. LeBron dropped 41/16/7/3/3 on 61% TS on him. 32/11/6/1/2 on 57% TS WITH Bogut, Iggy, and Green.

Those two games are better than ANY of Kobe's Finals games and that's a fact.


Draymond was the Warriors' best player in that series, if you look at how he produced in Game 7 @Oracle, what makes you think he wouldn't have been at least half as good in Game 5? He's a DPOY candidate who's a triple double machine, especially when he played at home
Draymond played like horseshit in the two games prior to his suspension and even the game AFTER it. 8/10/6 on 29%. Dude went off in G7, because the Cavs' defense was focused on Klay and Curry. In fact, Curry was better than Green even prior to Green's suspension. Dude had a 38 point game, which they won, and Klay had a 25 point which was pretty close till the end. Green was terrible in both games. Heck, Curry had 30 in that same game. If Green just stepped up a bit, they could've won in 6.

Also, smart of you to use a two game sample. Lets use a larger one, shall we?

Green's stats on the road and home:

https://s10.postimg.org/rf82lcyc9/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_6_55_59_PM.png

Pretty much the same.


So yeah, he definitely could have been the difference in Game 5. It was a close game until the Cavs pulled away in the 2nd half, Thompson was beasting from 3, Green would have given them more cuts to the basket and obviously would have given them another body to throw at Lebron, Bogut wouldn't have been in late in the 4th to get injured as well
You keep bringing up injuries to the Warriors, but completely ignore Love's concussion, which caused him to miss a game, and Kyrie's foot injury? Yeah, the Cavs' 2nd and 3rd best players were injured AGAIN in the Finals.


Irving averages 27 ppg on 47/41/94 shooting which is better than some of Jordan's and Kobe's Finals (comparing their scoring) but we hear nothing of it
Kyrie's Finals are arguably better than ANY of Kobe's. MJ? Not so much.

Also, since you seemed to have missed it, LeBron was better than Kyrie in all the 4th Q's in the Finals. Not even up for debate.

#1. 2016 Finals - The Shot:

The Spurs were pretty much about to close out the series and take the championship, but LeBron decided otherwise. Scored 16 points in the 4th Q on 7-10 shooting, without which that iconic Allen shot wouldn't have been possible. He also made a 3 prior to Allen's, which put them back in the game.

#2 Kyrie being more clutch than LeBron:

The Cavs were struggling and LeBron scored 11 points in the 4th Q. 8 straight points at one point and scored 6 straight after GSW were up 4 and with all the momentum. Dude absolutely killed their momentum and gave the Cavs a 2pt lead. He also has the game saving block on Iggy.

Irving in the 4th Q's of the Finals:

https://s22.postimg.org/wjpp7uq8x/Screen_Shot_2016_09_06_at_11_31_25_PM.png

LeBron in the 4th Q's of the Finals:

https://s10.postimg.io/ckzotdxft/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_53_42_AM.png

LeBron in the 4th Q's of the Finals (last 3 games):

https://s10.postimg.io/pdnstb91l/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_53_56_AM.png

LeBron in the 4th Q's of the Finals (last 2 games):

https://s10.postimg.io/wjfjvri4p/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_55_15_AM.png

Kyrie in the 4th Q's of the Finals (last 2 games):

https://s10.postimg.io/m83733qfd/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_54_46_AM.png

Dude scored 3/2/1 on 36% TS. He gets called the clutch god or whatever for making that one 3 when the game was tied. How the heck can you call LeBron a choker and Kyrie clutch AF, when it's not even close to being true.

[Lebron23]

Imkobe getting wrecked in this thread.

[aj1987]

I'd certainly be intrigued as to whether or not FDR was so good he could run with 3 different vice presidents or that it was the other way around

Even Jordan knows that Lebron wins next season with the same crew of Irving/Love and his very own legacy is being challenged.


it's true, I wasn't there when Jordan came back and did that second 3 peat and whatnot. But hey, this is a basketball forum after all
:biggums:

[RRR3]

:biggums:
Read his posts more often :oldlol:

Dude is on some GOOD stuff I tell you hwat

[warriorfan]

Cav fans squirming because they can't handle the truth



:yaohappy:

[MP.Trey]

The excuses in this thread are so hilarious. :oldlol:

[Milbuck]

I can't even imagine how shitty it must feel to still hate on Lebron. I can't even do it anymore, he's just too great. Like what do Lebron haters think they're accomplishing at this point?

- Shit on him for leaving Cleveland? Came back and got the city a ring.
- Choking in the finals 5 years ago? He's won 3 rings & finals MVPs since then, all in dominating or clutch fashion.
- Think he'll decline when his athleticism fades? Nope, already eclipsed most of the greats in longevity of elite play.
- Lebron ball/can't mesh with other stars? His iso heavy chuck first co-star just dominated alongside him.
- Weak East? Alright, now explain him destroying a 73 win team in the finals.

It's over. He could die today and his legacy is cemented as one of the GOATs. It's done.